Any thoughts on Samsung separating from Google(Andrioid) on the SGSIII? If this is true....WOW!
http://www.slashgear.com/tizen-ui-leaks-ahead-of-samsung-i9500-debut-09207578/
http://www.gsmarena.com/screenshots_of_tizen_meego_successor_leak-news-3634.php#
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It looks so much like Android.
I'm confused. This may sound like a separate topic but, since Android is open source, does it mean that I can copy it over and change it around and call it MyMobileOS and sell it for money?
Is what XiaoMi phone is doing legal? They just take Google's code and change it around and massively put it on their own phones and sell for money?
nvm. wrong post
i dont like this, if samsung does this, i will just go for the iphone 5.. enough said.
Yeah, finally they have quality products, if they do this...wow
Certainly will be a huge change of OS . . Its ok. . SGS2X will last awhile .......
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i dont like this, if samsung does this, i will just go for the iphone 5.. enough said.
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Go get your iPhone. I rather have a r225
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Any thoughts on Samsung separating from Google(Andrioid) on the SGSIII? If this is true....WOW!
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Yeah my thoughts are I wont buy it.
If anything they will release a phone with this and another equally speced phone with android. No way they are completely abandoning android.
i will definitely move on to the iPhone, or even a wp7 phone if this happens
There are other good android phones,htc anyone?
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There are other good android phones,htc anyone?
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HTC screens are garbage. I personally think that if Samsung was to go ahead and make this move without continuing to release any Android phones then that would be a negative decision on their part financially.
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i will definitely move on to the iPhone, or even a wp7 phone if this happens
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U would leave android because sammy did?
I seriously doubt the SGSII will have anything but android on it but I certainly don't doubt them making a phone with another OS. look at how many android phones sammy makes. you think they will stop all that?
Tizen is also open source - so you should not pay any money to have it. And looking into the source code - all of the drivers are under Apache License with Samsung as owner. We will probably see Samsung running Tizen soon. Not to mention that Intel is supporting the project hoping that they may enforce x86 instead of ARM processors arch (the same way they are forcing Thunderbird instead of USB). Android got one major flaw - that's the java virtual machine or I should say Oracle.
Looks like a Touch Wiz OS. Low end devices most likely, similar to Bada.
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HTC screens are garbage. I personally think that if Samsung was to go ahead and make this move without continuing to release any Android phones then that would be a negative decision on their part financially.
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Oh c'mon with the exaggeration.. they're a far cry from 'garbage'!
Samsung screens are nice but the colours (from what I have seen personally) are over saturated in comparison to others such as HTC, which have more natural colours, something a lot of people appreciate.
My best friend has a GS2 and while his screen is nice, it's also tinted yellow because the colour temperature is way off, so the colours on my 1 year old Desire HD actually look better. He's not alone either there's a 200+ page thread on it. Then there's the banding issues people are having on the Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note displays.
What I'm getting at is all current screens have their downsides but they're all far from being garbage.
i think that's a new incarnation of BADA OS
It's a bada os, but it'll be open-source this time.
I don't know who need this... Bada failed, Tizen will fail too.
This would be a HUGE mistake. Right now, people love Android, and some of us have quite a bit of money invested in apps and other things. I don't see many devs jumping ship either...
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Having used Tytn II for 6 months now, I guess there wont be any update regarding the display drivers from HTC, which is the main cause of annoyance. I am looking for suggestions/advice for buying something better then this PDA.
Thanks
If you don't mind leaving Windows, you should get a Nokia N96.
Or if you don't want to leave windows, you can get an HTC X7501. The only problem with that one is that its kinda big due to the 5" screen.
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But is it better? Does it have a video driver?
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If you don't mind leaving Windows, you should get a Nokia N96.
Or if you don't want to leave windows, you can get an HTC X7501. The only problem with that one is that its kinda big due to the 5" screen.
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You can go Nokia without leaving windows now, search for N97W
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You can go Nokia without leaving windows now, search for N97W
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lol. That was an April fool's prank http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/news/show/88380/april-fools-nokia-ventures-into-new-territory-n97w-powered-by-windows-mobile.html
hey, i was kinda in the same boat as you, and ended up buying an n95-4 (the 8gb version). i used it for a few days, and now i'm back to my tilt. the biggest reasons are lack of html in ur emails, no qwerty, and no touchscreen. never knew how important those two are to me. wm also has a lot of free programs, and you dont have to deal with getting them signed (wtf is that??) anywayz, while we ***** and moan about lack of drivers, in all actuality, i think we have the best phone on the market...
omar
I think so too. I can't have a phone without qwerty or touchscreen. And no html in emails? What kinda cheap **** is that?
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hah i actually believed it while i read the first article i googled, then i noticed the second said APRIL FOOLS...
would have been to nice, i seriously was about to throw mine up on ebay/craigslist
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I think so too. I can't have a phone without qwerty or touchscreen. And no html in emails? What kinda cheap **** is that?
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ya thats one thing i hate about the n95-4, it feels like any crappy cheap phone. its light, not very solidly built (search for slider issues on these phones) and the entire layout of the phone feels the same as any free nokia... now to sell this phone, anybody wanna buy a brand new n95-4
I'll trade you an unlocked Wing for it.
Why is everyone forgetting to mention the world famous iPhone!!!
LOL
ha lol, na thats aiight, i can sell it for $600, easy... bunch of nokia freaks out there
Yea the iphone is good if u dont mind losing your QWERTY and u want something simple. i would compare it to a sidekick on speed. But not a bad phone overall
WOW!!! I was being sarcastic.....
I bought a N95 8gb, really nice piece of gear (would be even better if I could learn how to use the damn thing) great media functions BUT!!!!! there is now a new learning curve,wheres the the stick??? there is no stick no qwerty I have gotten use to win mobile and and using a stylus and qwerty keyboard...on the plus side Movie playback and games are Smoooooooooooth
this is the one
That is a harris briefcase phone
I used to build these in 1986, I always liked the Fujisu phones better. If someone tried to carjack me I could hit them over the head with the handset then call the cops to let them know someone was lying in the road.
haplo770 said:
I used to build these in 1986, I always liked the Fujisu phones better. If someone tried to carjack me I could hit them over the head with the handset then call the cops to let them know someone was lying in the road.
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Ha ha ha ha
My Ipaq 614c has just been delievered. Replacing my TyTn II because it was giving me low EDGE speed connection problem.
Will write a mini review in this thread after I have configured it and have used it for a few days.
Hi everyone, I have been wondering what people think is the best phone on the market and why?
This thread is designed for those who want to purchase a new phone, but don't want to buy something that is only hyped and has no substance. By the people, For the People!
Please state the phone and your reason why it is your personal favorite. (Note: It could be any phone, even the iPhone 4.)
Thanks To all those who post!
I thought the Motorola Dynatac 800X was pretty coollio, last week!
My favorite phone by all means is (because I own it) HTC HD2. Mines is a TMOUS, but if you are planning on buying one get the world version its universal. Here is a video (not mine) on why the HD2 is better than iPhone 3GS in versus type explanation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9cOMoouatY&feature=related . The HD2 is a versatile device. It has the capability of running Windows Mobile 6.5, Windows Mobile 6.5.x, and new to the device many versions of android. I personally enjoy its big 4.3 inch screen. It has a pretty good 5 megapixel camera with a dual LED flash.
Exception: The phone overheats alot!
That's funny,
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I thought the Motorola Dynatac 800X was pretty coollio, last week!
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That nice real nice.
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There are way to many phones out there to choose from. Money is also a variable. I have a HTC Doual Touch and I am happy with it for now. I am aware that it is not the best but it is good enough.
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That nice real nice.
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Whats funny is this was a monutmental breakthrough in cellular phones. The precvious model looked like a car battery with a phone on top. My neighboor got the first car/cell phone ever made and showed it off to the neighboorhood. It was funny because no one ,,,, got it. No one understood what that big ass cynderblock represented and what it would lead too. So when ever I see the older cell phones I think back to the original and laugh thinking, if you'd been carrying that car battery the past 2 years this thing looks like its from startrek.
I here there will be a new Brick just around the corner
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WTF, mine never overheated, and im using it so hard >.<!
my favorite is the htc hd2 too, but thats because i love winmo, and i love the option to boot android too (wich works just awsome, better then i thought).
but for a totaly new person, i wouldnt recommend to buy a winmo 6.5 phone, cause that OS is sadly dying more and more, and the hd2 will probably the last winmo device.. ;(
i would wait for a new phone to come out..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=599210
I'd go for the hd2, I don't own it. But I like the device.
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Now i have a motorola dext. pretty good phone, really.
But i love the NexusOne and the HD2, if i have money i buy one.
I love my HD2. Even before I Android running on it. WinMo is smooth as silk on it. I love options too.
I love my diamond,if i have money i would buy a desire!
Well,mine is the Desire.I own it,I love Android,I love the device itself and would recommend it to everyone!
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Wow, everyone seems to LOVE the HD2 here, and HATE it on howardforums.
I really don't know what to do. :/
i just got my new n shiny galaxy s n i m just lovin it..
To me:
Android: Dell Streak
Winmo: HD2
WinPhone 7: whatever next from HTC
I love my X10a, it's super good looking
I have a vibrant and hd2...I don't like my hd2...I would say any of the new samsung galaxy s phones with the new bright colorfull screens!
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First of all, I'm a die hard WP7 user through and through. Social interaction, stability, and quick gaming, as well as a good ecosystem of interconnected services are what I'm after in a phone, and so it's the ideal option for me. That said, I try to be as fair as possible in my judgment of other devices. I recently picked up a Nokia N9 and an Xperia play as alternate phones to my Lumia 800 (which has since been upgraded to the Lumia 900) for comparison purposes. The first thing I tested on these two devices, since it's the one thing I miss on WP7, is emulation. Honestly, despite the perfect controls on the xperia, I kept going back to the more "pure" Linux experience of meego for emulation. This was due primarily to the app emumaster which has all your basic emulators cooked into one app with great developer support and outstanding framework. The xperia's controls are awesome, but the low quality of the ps1 emulators I could find left a lot to be desired. The feature that Android really stole the show with, was the market. I left android October of 2010 for the most part aside from picking up random great deals on Craigslist. I most recently tried the Gnex, and it seemed to have a lot of the issues that put me on the prowl in the first place still, so I was not smitten. However, the progression of the app market is phenomenal, a far cry from the doldrum mess that I was forced to search through in my time with android. The new Google Play point is great and feels a lot less like a beta test than it did before. While I'll always prefer WP7's dynamic UI, I much preferred Meego's to android's. There are no "official" widgets yet, but even without, the three home screens have all the info you need and the lock screen is great. It offers a, "sleeping clock" feature where even when the phone is asleep, the clock is still displayed, as well as your notifications. After double tapping on that, you have more specific notifications over a background pic of your choosing, you can swipe on any of these to open the app direct, or just swipe the whole homescreen off which leads to the homescreens, one has all your apps complete with folders. The next, shows all the apps you have currently running. True multi-tasking an astonishing 19 apps and no real hiccups. Amazing. Then, there's your notifications tab, it keeps your notifications as well as a list of your social network mews feed on hand. Everything just feels easy and intuitive. Android, sadly, still felt pretty much the same, I guess if it's not broke, don't fix it, but there's better UI options. Overall, the xperia Play got the least play, not because it's a bad device, but it's just not what I need. The N9 is great, but suffers some of the same issues android does. It is, however, a good meeting point between android and WP7 and was abandoned far too early. Neither pulled me from WP7, but unfortunately, I now try to double-tap my 900 to unlock it.
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Not sure what the point of this post is.
E; oh, text wall. It looks like copying it misconstrued my formatting.
That should've stuck with Meego. That would've been a real 4th OS.
Nokia can't shine with Wp7.
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That should've stuck with Meego. That would've been a real 4th OS.
Nokia can't shine with Wp7.
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The Lumia 900 seems to be doing quite well for itself, replacing the iPhone as ATT's hero device. I can't wait to see what the 610 does in India.
I read somewhere that at&t associates doin a disservice for customers. It seems iPhone is still the hero device, salespeople still pushing the iPhone and not giving the lumia900 a chance.
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They sell what they know, unfortunately most att reps know little about phones.
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I read somewhere that at&t associates doin a disservice for customers. It seems iPhone is still the hero device, salespeople still pushing the iPhone and not giving the lumia900 a chance.
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Yh my mum went to the store and I went with her as I know more about phones than the actual sales reps.she told them,I need a high end device,they told her don't look at anything else but an iPhone 4 s,I told them y? Answer: "because its an iPhone,hazzz market,better touch screen and its an.....iPhone etc u get the point." I just loled
Ny
bartoloandre98 said:
Yh my mum went to the store and I went with her as I know more about phones than the actual sales reps.she told them,I need a high end device,they told her don't look at anything else but an iPhone 4 s,I told them y? Answer: "because its an iPhone,hazzz market,better touch screen and its an.....iPhone etc u get the point." I just loled
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Wow for them just to say that I will say one thing well a couple.
1st smart phone - w as iPhone 3GS 16gb. Loved it..... When I had it.
2 nd smart phone - htc hd7. Was okay not many apps. Hated metro tiles.
3rd smart phone -galaxy s2 i9100- LOVE IT MORE THEN ANYTHING. Awesome phone. Went to go get a iPhone 4s . But I thought and my friend said u have to try andriod. Now he was right not goin to any other Os ever again.
For her to say iPhone as a high end device is funny.
I am able to upgrade in september, and was wondering if i should get galaxy s3, or wait for the next nexus or nexuses, because i heard they have better development support. Is it worth it to wait, or is there enough support on s3, being so popular. Also, how long would i have to wait for the next nexus
Nexuses have great support, but if you need a phone now go ahead, the s2 is getting jellybean.
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Nexus devices get updates directly which is fantastic, there is no waiting involved for manufacturers to add all the bloatware. I have an S3 and know that Samsung will be quite dellayed on any jelly bean update, so I have just accepted that any jellybean I get will be a custom rom but I'm okay with that. Personally my next phone would be a nexus, but I have enjoyed my S2 and currently love my S3
Can you add one more phone on that poll?
The LG Optimus ME v2 Nexus Edition (so much for long Android phone names)
1.6 GHz processor
Android 4.1 Jellybean
3GB RAM
16, 32, 64 GB Storage
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Can you add one more phone on that poll?
The LG Optimus ME v2 Nexus Edition (so much for long Android phone names)
1.6 GHz processor
Android 4.1 Jellybean
3GB RAM
16, 32, 64 GB Storage
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Damn you!!!
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Damn you!!!
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Why?
I would really like to see a dual exynos 5 phone; benchmarks look promising. Or, use of Qualcomms line would be sweet.
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I am able to upgrade in september, and was wondering if i should get galaxy s3, or wait for the next nexus or nexuses, because i heard they have better development support. Is it worth it to wait, or is there enough support on s3, being so popular. Also, how long would i have to wait for the next nexus
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I'd wait for the Nexus...better support...plus, what's the hurry?
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I'd wait for the Nexus...better support...plus, what's the hurry?
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well, when is it supposed to come out?
Galaxy S3...
Dont take any Samsung Devices just the ones directly supported from google. Samsungs update Politic is terrible!
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Dont take any Samsung Devices just the ones directly supported from google. Samsungs update Politic is terrible!
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they really are, ive been burned thrice times..sadly ..only reason i tested the nexus is because i knew google was supporting it...if you dont care about the mediocre features of the s3 or dont care for touchwiz i suggest you wait for the next nexus..if you care about them then get the s3..but im sure you know or if you dont know..samsung is horrible with updates ..i got the behold...smh..then the galaxy s..wow..then the galaxy s 2..shouldnt have been shocked..see they dont really build up to much talk about updates..they let it ride for a year..then drop a new phone thats better and forget about the last one..if you dont care about support and updates and dont mind touchwiz and its features then i suggest get it..im not bashing the gs3 for anyone thats reading this, im just stating whats happened from past experiences and my experience with the s3, its a beautiful snappy perfect little phone well little isnt the word lol..but the features it offers if you care about customization and what not are just a gimick. if you dont care about customization like most general purchasers or just dont take the time to figure out how to do then you should get it
Good news for you:
http://www.gsmarena.com/leaked_specs_could_be_showing_a_revamped_nexus-news-4682.php
Maybe this is the next Nexus.
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Good news for you:
http://www.gsmarena.com/leaked_specs_could_be_showing_a_revamped_nexus-news-4682.php
Maybe this is the next Nexus.
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I highly highly doubt that will be the next Nexus device. With those specs, there is absolutely no reason for someone with a Galaxy Nexus to upgrade.
So I just saw this article about the Vertu TI - that will cost approx $10,700.
Starts at 7,900 euros, or about $10,700
Specs:
TI a 3.7-inch touchscreen,
a dual-core 1.7GHz Snapdragon S4 processor,
and an 8-megapixel camera.
There’s also NFC and 64GB of internal storage, plus a front-facing webcam.
Clearly the reporters don't know much because they stated that it is Up-to-date with the OS running ICS
"Luckily, Vertu is mostly up-to-date on Google’s OS. Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich is installed and it’s smooth and speedy:"
According to reports " the TI is gorgeous, understated, and elegant, while remaining purposeful and unique"
Honestly I think it looks hideous. Esp with that price for the phone it better be made of gold.
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Looks incredible!
That logo on the clock is very very sueable at this moment. Looks exactly like the vmoda logo.
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I'd love to see a system dump from this so we could at least rip off the theming.
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I'd love to see a system dump from this so we could at least rip off the theming.
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why would you need this? this looks absolutely ugly compared to stock android
I'd totally buy if i had the cash, and use it as a phone for leisure, would go well with my GS3, IMO.
Great to see a Vertu smartphone running a post-2010 OS, they were really being held back by Nokia and Symbian.
I think it is realy weird they don't use a propper Hardware for that amount of money and at least Android 4.1.x for a new Device
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I think it is realy weird they don't use a propper Hardware for that amount of money and at least Android 4.1.x for a new Device
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I agree. For the price, it seems to fall short on a lot of aspects. They should at least provide something worth the cash (equal to the specs of a mid-high end computer) rather then attempting to exploit people :/
Vertu again? Oh I remember those days when they modified and tried to sell some obscenely overpriced Nokia back in the days when nokia ruled.
Silly ... And by the way, this one here looks kinda ugly and those buttons look really cheap.
Wherever there is lots of money, bad taste isn't far behind...
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I think it is really weird they don't use a latest Android and proper hardware too for such a high priced phone.
They should try to provide something worth for money.
I dont like it
Absurd is the first word that comes to mind for me.
Anyone seen a video of the "unique" interface? I'm interested to see what they did to android to partially justify the outrageous cost.
That phone is fugly!
No just no
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This is a phone for russian millionaires. They dont even buy underwear if it costs less than 10,000 $
R: Willing to spend $10,700 for an android?
Nooo
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spend 10,700?
it's ugly , I don't want to spend money, and i don't have enough to eat......:fingers-crossed:
Wow
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