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Best starter android phone?

So I'm looking to get my first android powered device , my question is what do you guys suggest to be a good phone for my first experience? Looking at spending around $500 usd budget (will go over for something I really like, but no $800 desire hd stuff lol), and don't want something "out of date" or have a poor build quality.
here is some info to go off of:
-I am not eligible for a upgrade so will pay retail
-In the us
-at&t carrier, no data, so any at&t specific phones are out of the question
-have wifi in vehicle and anywhere I go (one main reason I don't have a data plan)
-like a big screen and or keyboard since my hands aren't exactly small
Thanks in advance for any help. Also one more question that I haven't found the answer for, I saw a marketplace while signing up but cant view, what are the requirements to view?

p.s. I think this might belong in the Q and A section...

my first smartphone was the palm pixi a fantastic OS but then went to htc hero id say thats now a beginners phone
now im with an epic

You could probably score a used Nexus One on eBay or Craigslist for $500.

TheBiles said:
You could probably score a used Nexus One on eBay or Craigslist for $500.
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That is one thing that I've thought about, I've also looked at the htc desire, its a little more then other phones but i like the design and the extra ram it offers.

I think nexus one. Just my .02

Thanks for the responses, I guess I need to start hunting for a good condition nexus one. Am I correct for saying that you can not buy them new anymore?

if you can get one (UK only afaik), the Orange San Francisco seems to be a good phone to start with, at about £90.
It's the ZTE Blade, and has an HDPI (high res) screen and reasonable CPU etc.
Worth a look if you can lay your hands on one.

zte blade has a nice exterior, probably one of my favorites so far . But the processor seems a little slow (clock wise), anyone have any experience with how well the Qualcomm MSM7227 competes with say a snapdragon or samsung hummerbird cpu?

id get a nexus one or desire, there not too expensive anymore and have ample power to keep up with technology for the next couple of years, the hero is good but its starting to show its age now, it depends what you want, the nexus one is better built imo but the desire has more ram and an optical trackpad instead of a trackball

Just remember if you do purchase a T-Mobile Nexus One - and you end up getting a data plan down the line.. your stuck on Edge forever while on AT&T's network.
There are AT&T Nexus One's out there.. but your going to be paying a premium.

AndroHero said:
id get a nexus one or desire, there not too expensive anymore and have ample power to keep up with technology for the next couple of years, the hero is good but its starting to show its age now, it depends what you want, the nexus one is better built imo but the desire has more ram and an optical trackpad instead of a trackball
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Is the trackball like blackberrys dumb trackball? I hated that thing with a passion when I tried to use it (even though touch screen means I will rarely use it). I have never used a optical trackpad before. Is it like say running your finger on the bottom of a laser mouse? I know it is kinda bad analogy.
avgjoegeek said:
Just remember if you do purchase a T-Mobile Nexus One - and you end up getting a data plan down the line.. your stuck on Edge forever while on AT&T's network.
There are AT&T Nexus One's out there.. but your going to be paying a premium.
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Yes, I have been looking around on craigslist and what not, t-mobile ones in mint condition run about $400, while ones bought straight from google run about $450, which I would want anyways so I don't have all the tmobile bloatware from the get go.

SnafuPossum said:
Yes, I have been looking around on craigslist and what not, t-mobile ones in mint condition run about $400, while ones bought straight from google run about $450, which I would want anyways so I don't have all the tmobile bloatware from the get go.
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Dude... removing bloatware takes every bit of 10 minutes. I'm assuming that you're going to root anyways, so just save yourself $50.

So you can remove it? Did not know that. Yes I will root it, but I just wont our of the box because of a laziness factor lol. (atleast im truthful )

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So you can remove it? Did not know that. Yes I will root it, but I just wont our of the box because of a laziness factor lol. (atleast im truthful )
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Easily, and the chances are that any custom ROM you flash will be already purged of bloatware.

The Nexus One is a great starter phone. I personally started with a cheap G1 I found on craigslist. The owner had bought a new phone and didn't know about modding and even after I told him he wasn't interested in doing it. After a while I traded up and got the Nexus One.
The good thing about the T-Mobile version of the N1 is that if you do decide to get data service, and you're okay with the EDGE speeds (slower than 3G), then you can pay the cheaper price for the data plan. I've heard from here and there of people with the AT&T version of the Nexus One having their phone automatically upgraded to the more expensive data plan because Google must have given them an updated IMEI list for the phones.

Well just a update, purchased a Desire HD. Waiting for it in the mail, I can't wait!

[Q]Buy this or wait for Galaxy Nexus

I currently have an Infuse 4G and after having a phone with 4.5" display I dont think I could ever have another phone with smaller display. I'm not in an LTE are but frequently travel to multiple LTE areas in Texas. I have my money saved up for the Galaxy Nexus Unlocked but I'm really almost tired of waiting. I've kinda been looking at these forums off and on waiting to see if this phone is gonna get any love cause I really like the "idea" of it. You guys think it will get its own forums and any dev work soon. Cause the Galaxy Nexus ship might just be sinking for me...
Tired of waiting on Google/Samsung's Failed Launch...
New phones are like my crack I just gotta have em.

I doubt AT&T will subsidize the galaxy nexus. What is likely to happen is google will sell it to you unsubsidized and AT&T will let you use it on their network. The nexus line has never been available on a carrier at launch until verizon.

Yeah I know that, I dont have an available upgrade right now anyway I had planned on purchasing the Nexus outright, and would do the same for the skyrocket if I decided to go that route i'm trying to get a feel for the phone is there gonna be any love from xda in the way of some forums and any devs coming this way is what I want to know.

justanothernoob said:
Yeah I know that, I dont have an available upgrade right now anyway I had planned on purchasing the Nexus outright, and would do the same for the skyrocket if I decided to go that route i'm trying to get a feel for the phone is there gonna be any love from xda in the way of some forums and any devs coming this way is what I want to know.
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i had the same dellima...... But if your going to pay FULL price for either phone.
Hit up BESTBUY i bought the Skyrocket full price on the (BUYBACK PROGRAM) if the Galaxy Nexus or Note drop within 6 months i can take it back and get 50% of what i paid for the phone back and apply that to the next phone. so ina sence your still only paying FULL price for 2 phones.....
a win win in my book becuase i will be getting either one of those when they drop.

the2rrell said:
i had the same dellima...... But if your going to pay FULL price for either phone.
Hit up BESTBUY i bought the Skyrocket full price on the (BUYBACK PROGRAM) if the Galaxy Nexus or Note drop within 6 months i can take it back and get 50% of what i paid for the phone back and apply that to the next phone. so ina sence your still only paying FULL price for 2 phones.....
a win win in my book becuase i will be getting either one of those when they drop.
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Or you could upgrade to an iphone 4s and use it for a little while because they have a good resale value and won't be outdated in at least a year.
But consider these cons about the nexus:
No microsd
Old GPU/not cutting-edge CPU
Thick
Only 5MP
Will be even more outdated by the time it comes out

Daedalus_ said:
Or you could upgrade to an iphone 4s and use it for a little while because they have a good resale value and won't be outdated in at least a year.
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1. It doesn't have LTE
2. It doesn't have 4.5 inch screen which he wants.
Read the original post.

war eagle said:
1. It doesn't have LTE
2. It doesn't have 4.5 inch screen which he wants.
Read the original post.
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Nvm. 10char

I was in the exact same boat and ultimately pulled the trigger on the Skyrocket. My rationale at the end was that the only tangible improvements out there for this phone would be screen resolution and form factor. Other than that, its pretty future proof and should hold value well if I want to resale.
Absolutely love it so far.
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I'm really tempted to go ahead and get this. I really like having an sd card slot on my phones and the lack of gorilla glass on the nexus is kinda scary also. Not to mention that it steps down to a 5mp camera. However the development for the nexus is going to be nice and the vanilla andriod. I'd pull my hair out if I had any....

There will be some development for this and a lot for the Nexus. Nexus accessories started popping up at Verizon Stores so that may be a sign of things to come as far as the unlocked version as well.

Sorry, what I meant to say earlier is that when the nexus comes out unsubsidized a good option would be to buy an iphone 4s subsidized and sell it on ebay to get the nexus for a subsidized price. The vanilla ICS and developer compatibility of a nexus trumps all its cons IMO, but I couldn't wait any longer.

I am very glad to hear that many many others are in the same boat as myself. I have done my research, and on pg 138 of the usermanual for the skyrocket it says that the phone does have NFC, but it will be activated at a later time... maybe for ICS and Android Beam?
I am coming from a Nexus S, on ATT when it was free at Best Buy about 3 months ago... and I am lucky enough to have a wonderful girlfriend that will give me her upgrade and let her have my Nexus S.
I think I am going to take the plung with some of you today and buy a Skyrocket, though I am near DC... I'm not sure if I'll get good LTE.
Good tidings!

toonhead85 said:
I am very glad to hear that many many others are in the same boat as myself. I have done my research, and on pg 138 of the usermanual for the skyrocket it says that the phone does have NFC, but it will be activated at a later time... maybe for ICS and Android Beam?
I am coming from a Nexus S, on ATT when it was free at Best Buy about 3 months ago... and I am lucky enough to have a wonderful girlfriend that will give me her upgrade and let her have my Nexus S.
I think I am going to take the plung with some of you today and buy a Skyrocket, though I am near DC... I'm not sure if I'll get good LTE.
Good tidings!
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Good choice bro and you gottanlove the ladies i always get the upgrades lol the women know it means more to us :-$
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There are several reasons not to go with the galaxy nexus. It doesn't have the true Super AMOLED screen that the gs2 has, so the screen will be duller. The screen doesn't have gorilla glass, so it will be more likely to break or shatter. The larger screen may be nice if you like it, but it means lower resolution. Plus, the real advantage of it, ICS, is close to irrelevant if you have cyanogenmod on your phone.

QuarkGluonSoup said:
There are several reasons not to go with the galaxy nexus. It doesn't have the true Super AMOLED screen that the gs2 has, so the screen will be duller.
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Uh... what? It has a 1280x720, 4.65", Super AMOLED display. The screen's lightyears better than what any SGS2 series phone has.

k0nane said:
Uh... what? It has a 1280x720, 4.65", Super AMOLED display. The screen's lightyears better than what any SGS2 series phone has.
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This is TRUE......the screen will be amazing.
that coupled with ICS i can see ALOT of people jumping on this when it drops......or the NOTE

and the screen is CURVED! That's in it self is a selling point!
I have another upgrade...but I figure I get a S2 now and use that upgrade for the Prime... IF it comes to AT&T... if it does it probably will be a while after the initial release
The ONLY thing that is putting me off is the lack of the external SD card. I had an i4 and I REALLY hated the fact that when I want to get something from my phone I have to connect it and pull it off.
Otherwise to me.. the Nexus Prime is the one to have.

mbze430 said:
and the screen is CURVED! That's in it self is a selling point!
I have another upgrade...but I figure I get a S2 now and use that upgrade for the Prime... IF it comes to AT&T... if it does it probably will be a while after the initial release
The ONLY thing that is putting me off is the lack of the external SD card. I had an i4 and I REALLY hated the fact that when I want to get something from my phone I have to connect it and pull it off.
Otherwise to me.. the Nexus Prime is the one to have.
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Or instead of external sd card, you could get a box account or some sort of a cloud account. i put all my pictures, tweaks, kernels, modems, apks, themes the only thing i have a problem with is actual ROMs because there to big at times.
but thats 50 gig of free space i can access from ANY phone.....

[Q] Cheaper Easy to Root/Flash Smart Phone

Hi All
Before i start i apologise if this is covered else where but i was unsure where to look and after searching the best i could find was:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=692387&page=2
Which is a bit out of date.
I have a HTC Sensation which i have rooted, but still running the standard ICS, i havent flashed it or put a custom ROM on.
I recently got a HTC One S for work and much prefer it.
Therefore I am looking at selling my Sensation, i cant cancel my contract but would benefit from the extra cash.
Therefore I would like to buy a cheap smartphone that is reasonably easy to Root & Flash with a good selection of Custom ROMs available.
Now i know i could probably find this out with plenty of research but I would like peoples opinions on this one.
I would like to pick up a Smartphone for under £100, Root it, Flash it, run what ever ROM i like just so i can use all my minutes etc and keep my personal phone separate.
I would also like a reasonably small phone for this.
What do you all recommend?

I do not understand. You already have that Sensation, want to sell it, but can't. So, you are going to buy a 3rd phone?
UPDATE: Nevermind... I get it. You are stuck in the contract and want to sell your Sensation and replace it with some other phone.
To be realistic, I am not sure you will actually make money doing this. After you compare the going rate of the Sensation vs an older phone, it might just not be worth it to sell. You should definitely make sure this deal makes sense before you go selling your old phone.
I have a Nexus One and I know they released it for the EU market as well. Nice phone. Not too big. Not enough internal flash, but if you are going to root and mod it, you can format the SDcard with ext2/3/4 and move your /data/ mount to the SDcard. Not sure what the going rate for them might be though.

Good point, I was looking on ebay and forgot how to take note that the ones going for reasonable money for the XE and XL.
Mine is only going for £100-£150
I will potentially reconsider.
I will also look into your suggestion, If i could pick up a second hand one and make £100 it may be worth it
Thank you

[Q] Way to Delay Upgrade?

Hello everyone, I'm a longtime Sprint user, and am looking forward to my switch to Verizon very soon! I currently own an EVO 4G LTE, and am taking a look at what phones I should get when I switch companies. The best available phone right now appears to undoubtedly be the SIII.
I have heard that there are some pretty awesome phones on the horizon, and I would love to get them (HTC's apparent phablet, Razr Maxx HD, etc.). However, I really don't think I can wait until November because I can't possibly tolerate Sprint anymore and their ridiculous lack of coverage in my area (they told me the towers are being upgraded for the past 7 months).
So my question is this: is there any way to delay my upgraded phone price so that I can use it once these newer phones are released? In other words, can I use another phone or do something else in order to not use that contract upgrade until November, even if I sign up for their service this week? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you would just go get the SIII if you were in my position, that's useful input too. I love the phone, I just feel like it will be "dated" in a month. Seems like the worst possible time to buy... I'm in a pickle.
Thoughts?

I don't know the answer to your question but I just switched to Verizon from sprint and got the S3. Waiting on it in the mail now. I don't think u can do what u want but im not sure. Hopefully someone can answer it for sure
Sent from Galaxy SIII

You would have to purchase a phone at full retail price. Then you could get the pro rated price later.

Brian Gove said:
You would have to purchase a phone at full retail price. Then you could get the pro rated price later.
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Or he could buy a phone off craigslist and go in there with one already...

fenixnr said:
Or he could buy a phone off craigslist and go in there with one already...
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This is an interesting idea - so I would need to find a Verizon-capable smartphone on Craigslist as cheap as possible, and then use the "upgrade" later when I want?

Another option would be do the pre paid route until you find a phone you want, then jump on contract.

jaben2 said:
Another option would be do the pre paid route until you find a phone you want, then jump on contract.
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I had not thought of this option yet, although the thought of going pre-paid doesn't appeal to me for some reason. I doubt my wife would go for it either. I have heard that pre-paid is getting more popular though - any suggestions for going pre-paid if I do explore that route? There's so many options out there now...

PsiPhiDan said:
I had not thought of this option yet, although the thought of going pre-paid doesn't appeal to me for some reason. I doubt my wife would go for it either. I have heard that pre-paid is getting more popular though - any suggestions for going pre-paid if I do explore that route? There's so many options out there now...
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Go to the galaxy nexus forum and look at the threads that say prepaid service guides or something similar. One of them says "rule your plan with..." they all talk about the best prepaid plans for the money.
Here is one of the more popular ones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455014
Obviously you don't have to do it with a nexus, you can use one of the prepaid ****ty phones. They just talk about the plans there. When I read it a long time ago most of them involved getting the prepaid phone and then switching out the sim card so you could just chill with the original phone until something interesting comes out on Verizon.

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Another option would be do the pre paid route until you find a phone you want, then jump on contract.
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Wouldn't that be essentially the same thing as buying a phone and going month to month on Verizon until getting the phone he wants at a pro-rated price and contract?

Brian Gove said:
Wouldn't that be essentially the same thing as buying a phone and going month to month on Verizon until getting the phone he wants at a pro-rated price and contract?
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Only difference would be pre-paid may be cheaper, if I'm reading your message correctly.
Also, thanks for the quick replies everyone! I look forward to joining this community soon. Looks like I'll be getting an SIII this week. If it was just me, I'd employ one of these ideas you guys gave me. But since my wife is included... I'm gonna go the simple route and get the SIII, which was equivalent to my current phone anyway (EVO 4G LTE). Seems like it has the dev support to last the two years like my old EVO 4G did (it can run JB now - amazing). Plus the extra RAM future proofs it a bit. I don't game, so I don't need quad core I doubt. The S4 chip is a beast anywho.
Thanks again guys! See you in the forums soon!
Oh one last quick question: any issues I'll have rooting and unlocking this phone? I've only owned HTC and been with Sprint, so I'm unsure of how to do all of this. I hear Verizon is not very friendly about unlocking phones.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Oh one last quick question: any issues I'll have rooting and unlocking this phone? I've only owned HTC and been with Sprint, so I'm unsure of how to do all of this. I hear Verizon is not very friendly about unlocking phones.
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It was just a pain in the ass to get it unlocked to begin with. Since it's been figured out it's simple. Bookmark the guide in my sig, Droidstyle did a good job about laying it all out.

PsiPhiDan said:
Only difference would be pre-paid may be cheaper, if I'm reading your message correctly.
Also, thanks for the quick replies everyone! I look forward to joining this community soon. Looks like I'll be getting an SIII this week. If it was just me, I'd employ one of these ideas you guys gave me. But since my wife is included... I'm gonna go the simple route and get the SIII, which was equivalent to my current phone anyway (EVO 4G LTE). Seems like it has the dev support to last the two years like my old EVO 4G did (it can run JB now - amazing). Plus the extra RAM future proofs it a bit. I don't game, so I don't need quad core I doubt. The S4 chip is a beast anywho.
Thanks again guys! See you in the forums soon!
Oh one last quick question: any issues I'll have rooting and unlocking this phone? I've only owned HTC and been with Sprint, so I'm unsure of how to do all of this. I hear Verizon is not very friendly about unlocking phones.
Sent from my EVO using xda app-developers app
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The bootloader can be unlocked easily, obtaining root is a simple one-click affair, and VZW has never been friendly about anything but your open wallet. Congrats on the new phone and carrier switch.

Brian Gove said:
It was just a pain in the ass to get it unlocked to begin with. Since it's been figured out it's simple. Bookmark the guide in my sig, Droidstyle did a good job about laying it all out.
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Okay that sounds good, thank you!
I was concerned mostly because with my phone, only the non-updated ones can be rooted and unlocked right now. Since I had mine since launch day, my original bootloader was able to be hacked and exploited. New phones bought today have different bootloaders that have patched the explored holes. HTC can be evil that way. I know Samsung is more dev friendly, but I wanted to make sure there were no stipulations like with my phone where I would be screwed if I bought a new one now.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Hello everyone, I'm a longtime Sprint user, and am looking forward to my switch to Verizon very soon! I currently own an EVO 4G LTE, and am taking a look at what phones I should get when I switch companies. The best available phone right now appears to undoubtedly be the SIII.
I have heard that there are some pretty awesome phones on the horizon, and I would love to get them (HTC's apparent phablet, Razr Maxx HD, etc.). However, I really don't think I can wait until November because I can't possibly tolerate Sprint anymore and their ridiculous lack of coverage in my area (they told me the towers are being upgraded for the past 7 months).
So my question is this: is there any way to delay my upgraded phone price so that I can use it once these newer phones are released? In other words, can I use another phone or do something else in order to not use that contract upgrade until November, even if I sign up for their service this week? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you would just go get the SIII if you were in my position, that's useful input too. I love the phone, I just feel like it will be "dated" in a month. Seems like the worst possible time to buy... I'm in a pickle.
Thoughts?
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If you are going to wait 3 weeks you might as well wait for the note 2. Just my two cents.
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There's still no release date on the Note 2 is there?
Plus I'm not sure a phone that large is for me. I'm getting the Note 10.1 soon, so do I need a phone that's a tablet too? I'm not sure. Plus I won't pay over 200 for a phone. I'm guessing the Note 2 will go for 300 or more.
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When I switched to Verizon from T-Mobile in December I went month to month on an OG Droid I owned until the GNex came out and then I upgraded

PsiPhiDan said:
This is an interesting idea - so I would need to find a Verizon-capable smartphone on Craigslist as cheap as possible, and then use the "upgrade" later when I want?
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It wouldn't have to be a smart phone. Buy a cheap flip phone or something. However there is always something Coming soon so you may find yourself with that cheap phone for a long time

Switching to new Android Phone

Hello,
I have been using Android for over the last 4+ years! I have owned the myTouch 4G for over 3 years now, and have rooted the phone, as it is currently running CM7.2. I used the myTouch 4G as my daily driver, as I didn't want to have a laggy or glitched up phone.
Ultimately, I feel that it has been a a pretty long time since I looked into the latest Android phones out there, and am now looking to upgrade my phone to something faster, and more up to date technology wise, and of course, I am tired of running ginger bread.
As a college student, I ultimately want a fast, stable phone. I do not have the luxury of buying a $500 cell phone every few months, and so I have a strict budget of $150.
I feel like this price range makes it tough to find such a great phone, though, I did find the Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G on amazon for $139.95 (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galax...Mobile/dp/B007URA092/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)
What are your opinions on this particular phone? is it a major upgrade to my current myTouch 4G?
What other phones do you guys have in mind that suits my price range and needs?
Thanks!

If you could up your budget by 30 then I read somewhere you can pick up a motoG for ~179... It's a good phone with sure upgrade to KK
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g-5831.php

sandm4n said:
If you could up your budget by 30 then I read somewhere you can pick up a motoG for ~179... It's a good phone with sure upgrade to KK
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g-5831.php
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dang, you beat me too it! yeah the moto g is highly recommended, the specs are incredible for such a low price, they are practically giving it away.

Trozzul said:
dang, you beat me too it! yeah the moto g is highly recommended, the specs are incredible for such a low price, they are practically giving it away.
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My only downfall is that it has no MicroSD card to the phone, which is a disappointment... as I have a 32 GB Micro SD card on my current phone. Any other alternatives? I am also on T-Mobile if that helps.

yikes t-mobile is not the carrier to be with unless your happy with your current phone since they got rid of two year contracts, if you dont want to pay extra a few extra dollars for 24 months, i would just try to find something on ebay or swappa.

darkgiant said:
My only downfall is that it has no MicroSD card to the phone, which is a disappointment... as I have a 32 GB Micro SD card on my current phone. Any other alternatives? I am also on T-Mobile if that helps.
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http://www.gazelle.com/thehorn/2013/11/15/the-5-best-budget-smartphones-under-200/

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http://www.gazelle.com/thehorn/2013/11/15/the-5-best-budget-smartphones-under-200/
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Those phones on the list make me feel like the Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G is a better phone... I think that is my only option at this point.
Believe me, that Moto G for sure is a beautiful and fantastic phone (I have seen it work) but I really don't believe in syncing absolutely all my data to the cloud (nor do I want to drain my battery life with 4G processing/Wi-Fi). I still wouldn't mind having that 32GB+ of physical storage, as I have other things to worry about instead than memory.

just wondering, bump?