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[Q] Poll: Will you hold from buying a sensation untill it is S-OFF?

This is a poll to see how many people are waiting for news regarding the Sensation's S-OFF before buying

I really don't mind. I've used my HTC Hero with Stock rom 1½ years and that phone is slow compared to all the other ones. It would be great however.

My option isn't in the poll.
"No, I want to root and install a custom ROM, but I can't stand waiting for this awesome phone!"

Yes I'm holding off til unlock
Rellikzephyr
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using Tapatalk

I'm pretty sure this phone will be S-Off sooner or later.
I will buy when i buy it. Doesn't matter if S-Off comes later.
The earlier the S-Off comes, the earlier Dev team to optimize it,
The earlier my life will be organize and productive.. The better.
Hope this phone is good built. Then this will be Epic of my life,
Hope will last for 3 years i hope.
I'm still not convince about its built.
Im afraid will fall and break immediately.
but sexy she is. When it falls, hope she wont scar.

Sensation conspiracy theory...
The problem for me is as follows:
I could get a sensation from vodafone at retail price since last week.
What scares me is that HTC hasnt made clear what they will do with the bootloader.
What if they provide an S-OFF only for the unbranded units that will start selling in Europe next week?
That will be a problem for me...
Maybe that is why they are keeping silent regarding the unlocking of the sensation's bootloader.
They could be waiting for the vodafone exclusivity to end.
The same could hold true for Tmobile as well....

Any comments on this?

I already ordered the phone...so you know my vote. I dont mind waiting for a way to manually unlock the bootloader and install custom roms. Until that happens, i will still have a pretty awesome device...win/win

I just picked up the phone last night...I couldn't hold out any longer. My G1 and HD2 were too outdated and I found this to be a worthy replacement (finally). I CAN wait for the S-OFF.

Its going to be hard to wait for me too as soon as the sensation is sold unbranded in Europe...

Specialk47150 said:
My option isn't in the poll.
"No, I want to root and install a custom ROM, but I can't stand waiting for this awesome phone!"
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I totally agree! I love custom ROM's, but this phone is just awesome!

Yeah I'm going to wait.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using Tapatalk

I'm trying to check for the "s-off" (volume down + power button) but its not doing anything.
This is something ive done before with previous phones. Don't know what's going on.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

SupremeC281 said:
I'm trying to check for the "s-off" (volume down + power button) but its not doing anything.
This is something ive done before with previous phones. Don't know what's going on.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
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Menu-settings-power, uncheck fast boot

broncogr said:
The problem for me is as follows:
I could get a sensation from vodafone at retail price since last week.
What scares me is that HTC hasnt made clear what they will do with the bootloader.
What if they provide an S-OFF only for the unbranded units that will start selling in Europe next week?
That will be a problem for me...
Maybe that is why they are keeping silent regarding the unlocking of the sensation's bootloader.
They could be waiting for the vodafone exclusivity to end.
The same could hold true for Tmobile as well....
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I'm in the same boat
Just been holding off till the exclusivity ends :/

Bought mine today (Branded T-Mobile USA); and I love my MyTouch4G with Cyanogenmod on it...
We at least need to get temp root soon so we can get some of this damn T-Mobile bloatware off... Damn thing has more fat in it then container of pure lard.

I voted yes to waiting. But tbh, if it isn't unlocked soon, I'm just gonna wait for something else later. No point in buying it if there's a better phone coming soon after unlock.
Side note: It doesn't hurt me to wait, but it hurts HTC to take to long.

I'd love to get it but I'm waiting.. canceled my preorder.
Apart from the ability to customise OUR own phone as we wish I need root as paid applications are not available where I live. I also need to be able to backup and restore my data incase of a factory reset ... etc.
Let's see if that happens before a better phone is announced.
Sent from my Google Nexus S using XDA App

I'm still unsure. I bought the Incredible S a couple of months ago and sold it 3 weeks later because it was s-on and no root/s-off solution was coming up.
Now I'm torn between getting the Sensation when it's s-off or waiting for the European Evo 3D. I like the Sensation design better but Evo 3D has better specs.
I'm just keeping my good ol' Desire for now and see what happens during the Summer!

Bought mine on Sunday 6/12. I don't mind waiting

No S-OFF for retail devices

Retail devices will ship S-ON.
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I know , i have a S-ON MT4GS , im about to buy another 1 to find out if that one is S-ON or S-OFF
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Retail devices will ship S-ON.
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All the retail units will be S-ON sadly.
P

So there's no way of getting a custom ROM on S-ON right ?
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All the retail units will be S-ON sadly.
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I thought HTC said they unlocked the bootloader for all HTC devices?

I would have hoped that after the Sensation Evo 3d thing we would have seen this one ship S-OFF. I guess it means this one waits until September? I don't think that this one was on the list I saw on the updated FB posting. Probably has the same protections/encryptions as the Sensation. I remember when the G2 got S-Off, a few phones came long for the ride. Perhaps that will happen with the independent effort for the Sensation and the 3d.

well good, thanks for saving me the upgrade(s) (i needed two).
I'll wait now and see if this gets s-off'd before i renew my contract in sprint.
I'll keep my G2

Wouldn't it be better said that the SUBSIDIZED units will not have S-OFF, versus "retail". When I think "retail" I think full retail sticker price, which would be S-OFF.

The thing is that HTC kind of borked over on their unlocking promise. The Sensation and Evo3D both shipped S-ON. We recently found that the HTC CHA-CHA shipped with S-OFF. I think all of the phones already in production before and during that statement are shipping S-ON.
I Haz 3D!

Can't say i'm surprised

How do we check if our unit is S-OFF or not? I don't know how to get to bootloader on this device. Been a while since I rooted a phone.
EDIT: Realized I had Fast Boot mode on. To disable it, go into: Settings > Power > Fast Boot. Once disabled, power down the phone. When powering it back up, hold the "Volume Down" key to get into Hboot to see if you have S-On or S-Off.

Stryder5 said:
I thought HTC said they unlocked the bootloader for all HTC devices?
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that promise was made well after the devlopment of this device began but there are s-off devices out there so i think the hacking/rooting community will have a way to get s-on to s-off soon enough.

nbetcher said:
Wouldn't it be better said that the SUBSIDIZED units will not have S-OFF, versus "retail". When I think "retail" I think full retail sticker price, which would be S-OFF.
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i still expect full retail devices sold by t-mobile to be s-on the difference isnt in what you pay for it, it's in the branding. those with s-off devices either have an htc branded double shot, or a pre-release demo mytouch 4g slide with t-mobile branding. either way, the phones sold by t-mobile, subsidized or otherwise are s-on.

So I just checked my phone and of course its S-ON.
My question is (sorry for noob question - this is my first android device) - along with tools to root, ROMs etc, would there be a way to turn this to S-OFF? In other words, earlier S-ON devices were 'hacked' too, right?
If not, I will have to return the phone - the bloatware on this phone is just unbelievable.

Yes, I'm sure this will get rooted and/or get s-off shortly.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Yeah, just give it time I'm pretty sure this phone will get rooted very soon. This phone has a lot of power not be played with lol

eismcsquare said:
My question is, would there be a way to turn this to S-OFF?
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Just think of S to mean security.. So S-ON and S-OFF are describing the state of the phones boot loader. If the boot loader is S-ON (security-on) then it is "locked" and any changes made to the system will be reset every time the phone is rebooted. If the boot loader is S-OFF (security-off) then it is "unlocked" and changes to the operating system will not be erased when the phone is rebooted.
The "way" you seek already exists on the Sensation 4g, which has about the same hardware as the mytouch 4g slide. This tool for unlocking the phone's boot loader is called "alpharev X". The tool is in beta stages, so it of course has not been released to the public. Although I'm almost certain it will work on the mytouch 4g, there is however, no guarantee that it will. Since the tool is not available to the public, more than likely HTC would not have been able to fix whatever exploit alpharev X uses to gain control over the boot loader. Alpharev X already works on multiple devices so there is no reason to think that it wouldn't work on the mytouch4g slide.
I certainly hope that it does because mine will be delivered tomorrow
Can't wait to play with it!!!
Oh yeah... And I want to return the Sensation 4g I Just bought.. I don't like it at all :/
Edit: revolutionary is the name of the tool and it has been released for the sensation 4g.. So it won't be long now before the mytouch 4g slide gets S-OFF.

Root and S-Off are what's holding me back from getting this phone. It certainly holds a lot of promise to it, but I think I'll stick with my G2 for now.

blackknightavalon said:
Root and S-Off are what's holding me back from getting this phone. It certainly holds a lot of promise to it, but I think I'll stick with my G2 for now.
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yeah, I almost waited too... but I was jonesing for a dual core phone. it looks like someone obtained temp root on one of the S-ON retail MT4G slides though, looks like we already have the ball rolling.

Temproot has already been achieved, and considering the sensation and the mt4gs's bootloaders are near identical, when Alpharev-revoked releases their S-OFF patch for the Sensation today, I'd imagine that the mt4gs will only be a week behind.

Did i just brick my phone?

I think i just bricked my phone. I am trying to return to S-on and after following all the instructions in the main sticky, i wrote the SUPERCID back to tmobile, and put in the writesecuflag 3 command, and rebooted the bootloader. Now the phone will not turn on at all. Won't power on regular and cannot turn it on into the bootloader. When i plug the phone into the computer QHUSB-DLOAD comes up in the device manager as to what it is saying it is attatched as. Adb shows no devices and RUU's cannot find the device. Omg i really hope i didnt hose this phone.

Did you flash first the ruu that came with your phone?
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App

and1kar said:
Did you flash first the ruu that came with your phone?
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App
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Nope i used the tmous 1.50.

I am pretty sure you forgot to run the RUU, and sadly yes I have to inform you that it is bricked :/

xsteven77x said:
I think i just bricked my phone. I am trying to return to S-on and after following all the instructions in the main sticky, i wrote the SUPERCID back to tmobile, and put in the writesecuflag 3 command, and rebooted the bootloader. Now the phone will not turn on at all. Won't power on regular and cannot turn it on into the bootloader. When i plug the phone into the computer QHUSB-DLOAD comes up in the device manager as to what it is saying it is attatched as. Adb shows no devices and RUU's cannot find the device. Omg i really hope i didnt hose this phone.
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Sounds like you bricked it, yes :s

Thanks for the replies guys.

Since i got it from craigslist my only hope is paying htc to repair it i'm assuming?

It should still be covered by the original warranty right?

LooieENG said:
It should still be covered by the original warranty right?
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Just got off the phone with HTC. It is still covered under their warranty. Hopefully since all my void stickers in good standing, I have no physical damage, was able to get the CID back to Tmous and the write secureflag3 went through, there will be no reason to deny it. Here is hoping! I think EXT4 recovery is still on there though. Hopefully it will be so bricked that they will have to reset it and reload the software to be able to do anything with it

Hope you manage to get it fixed!
A question, I have yet to root my XE, but is SUPERCID a must on a sim free phone if you want to flash roms?

the fact is that if it is so bricked that it won't turn on at all they won't check it further. many members achieved to get a new phone as replacement

Just make sure you tell HTC you are the original owner and didnt get it from craigslist.Also DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES Mention any hacking forums like XDA,or ROOT, Just claim that it said "an update was available" so you chose to update and the battery died.I've had free repairs under warranty by using that same advice, A friend of mine mentioned root on his nexus one and they charged him for repair even though it was a month old as he voided the warranty

bonesy said:
Just make sure you tell HTC you are the original owner and didnt get it from craigslist.Also DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES Mention any hacking forums like XDA,or ROOT, Just claim that it said "an update was available" so you chose to update and the battery died.I've had free repairs under warranty by using that same advice, A friend of mine mentioned root on his nexus one and they charged him for repair even though it was a month old as he voided the warranty
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I definitely didnt mention xda or flashing roms or anything, and I told them i received it as an anniversary gift (even though i really did get it from craigslist). Told them i rebooted the phone and it just never came back on. Which really is what happened while leaving out a few details lol.

I wonder what would them HTC guys think if they are already among us

same thing happened to me the other day on my evo 3d...gonna send it in to htc as well...hope they won't know...what are the chances of them getting the phone to turn on??
xsteven77x said:
I think i just bricked my phone. I am trying to return to S-on and after following all the instructions in the main sticky, i wrote the SUPERCID back to tmobile, and put in the writesecuflag 3 command, and rebooted the bootloader. Now the phone will not turn on at all. Won't power on regular and cannot turn it on into the bootloader. When i plug the phone into the computer QHUSB-DLOAD comes up in the device manager as to what it is saying it is attatched as. Adb shows no devices and RUU's cannot find the device. Omg i really hope i didnt hose this phone.
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poktangju said:
same thing happened to me the other day on my evo 3d...gonna send it in to htc as well...hope they won't know...what are the chances of them getting the phone to turn on??
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From everything i read online it really seems hit or miss depending on the technician you get. More often than not they seem to let things slide even if it seems obvious that they should have been able to see it was rooted etc. Here is hoping . I'm gonna send it out tomorrow and will keep this thread updated with developments if anyone is interested in how it went. I have read some HORROR stories about people sending there phone to HTC and it become missing in action for MONTHS. I really pray to christ that does not happen to me.
O/T a little bit, but how come with just about any other "thing" in life a warranty is good and is tied to the object and not to the person. Even though i got this phone off of craigslist, why should that have ANYTHING to do with it. The phone is the phone and the warranty is the warranty regardless of whose possession it is in. I just don't think tmobile should be able to do that. Also i think it's BS that if you buy a brand new phone and it breaks 2 days later, they give you a refurb and not a new one. How do they get away with this ****!

i think im gonna take my chances as well...the person i talked to at htc did say that if the damages were caused by me then i would have a choice to pay them to fix if not i would have to pay $35 to get the phone back...so this could end up costing the shipping to send phone and the $35 to get the phone back.
xsteven77x said:
From everything i read online it really seems hit or miss depending on the technician you get. More often than not they seem to let things slide even if it seems obvious that they should have been able to see it was rooted etc. Here is hoping . I'm gonna send it out tomorrow and will keep this thread updated with developments if anyone is interested in how it went.
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Just wondering how this has progressed. Did you send your phone to HTC? Did they say what the potential repair costs could be?

Well i sent it out on 12/21 and they received it on 12/28. On the tracking website, it says "In repair". From experience, if it is going to have any issues or gonna charge you any money, it says under review until you have spoke to them and made arrangements or paid them. One thing that is pissing me off good is that every day, the day it says it was received is changed. So everyday i have checked, it went from saying received on 12/28, to 12/29, to 12/30, and now 1/1. So i dont know if that is just the way the system works, or if they are trying to sheist me and take forever and a day like some of the horror stories i have read. Not really sure what their is to do but send a replacement since it is hard bricked and cannot be resuscitated even with professional tools from all the research i have done online. In the meantime, i bought a galaxy s 2 and am LOVING it, except for the lack of development in comparison to here in sensation land!

did you get your phone back?
xsteven77x said:
Well i sent it out on 12/21 and they received it on 12/28. On the tracking website, it says "In repair". From experience, if it is going to have any issues or gonna charge you any money, it says under review until you have spoke to them and made arrangements or paid them. One thing that is pissing me off good is that every day, the day it says it was received is changed. So everyday i have checked, it went from saying received on 12/28, to 12/29, to 12/30, and now 1/1. So i dont know if that is just the way the system works, or if they are trying to sheist me and take forever and a day like some of the horror stories i have read. Not really sure what their is to do but send a replacement since it is hard bricked and cannot be resuscitated even with professional tools from all the research i have done online. In the meantime, i bought a galaxy s 2 and am LOVING it, except for the lack of development in comparison to here in sensation land!
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[Q] Sensation (z710e) doesn't have hboot - any help welcome!!

Hi Guys,
New to flashing the Sensation, though I've done my HD2 a good few times.
Girlfriend just bought a Sensation and I'm eager to flash a decent ROM to it but failing at the first hurdle.
From what I can tell, there is no HBOOT but instead it has uboot (forgive me if this sounds ridiculous).
When I use Power+Volume Down, I do not get a white screen with options and information but instead get a black screen. There's no sign of an HBOOT version, but there is a uboot version number.
If I press Power +Volume Up I am sent to a recovery mode, but I don't think it's CWM.
If I try to use Revolutionary, it finds the phone (in normal mode, not h/u boot) and says that the phone is not supported.
Phone was bought in China but I think it is a Euro model (T Mobile branding on top of phone)
There is a possibility that a ROM has already been flashed onto it - but it sucks, and I want her to get the best from her new phone.
Also, I cannot get the CID or MID number. Tried CID getter, neither of them were on there. Tried terminal emulator, no response from getprop ro.cid or ro.mid.
So even if I wanted to upgrade the firmware, I am unsure which one to use!!
Has anyone run into this sort of situation? Using SuperTool I was able to get root access, which is at least a step in the right direction but I'm not sure how to proceed. Maybe it's already s-off and I can update the firmware and thus get hboot. But if it's not, then I run the risk of ruining it.
If you think I can go ahead and try to install new firmware, without risk of bricking or semi bricking, then I would probably be inclined to go for it.
Looking around here and also on Google, I haven't seen anyone with the same issue, so any help you can give would be very welcome!!
Many thanks in advance,
Mr Al

two possibilities: your sensation is faked or it has been relocked by the sellor which is called "baikamumaji".
Sent from my Sensation using XDA

Thanks for that, although it's slightly bad news!!
I'll see if we can get in touch with the seller and take it from there.

Ok, we've just spoken (online) with the sellers 'tech' guy.
I think pmbldc is right, it's a fake.
Their guy says that it can be flashed, but only using the roms on their forum.
I think it's bull. Currently feeling ripped off and unhappy, but what can I do?!?!

Never buy any more devices from China??? Jus sayin... Sorry you got ripped off bro.. Sucks that that sort of thing happens...

Haha! A little tricky that one, as I live in China!
I've bought lots of electronics over here, both locally branded/produced and international. Lots of successes.
To be fair (grudgingly) this guy was considerably cheaper than everyone else. That old adage of 'if something seems too good to be true, it is' applies very well in this case.
Pretty disgusted with the whole thing, the conversation my girlfriend had with the 'tech' guy was ridiculous. Both she and I work in tech so his usual line of BS didn't work with us.
So now, having decided to be sensible and not buy the HTC One X, we're going to end up spending about the same amount of money anyway!
All we can do is learn from our mistakes, and at least now I know what to look for when buying a Sensation!!!!

True Story, bro

[Q] Here's an interesting one...

Does the T-Mobile HTC One S always come S-Off or was I lucky on my trade today? I traded my mint Sony Xperia Play (AT&T) this morning for a HTC One S, also mint. I've traded, bought and sold to the guy before and I know he gets his devices new by special means and knows nothing about rooting, bootloaders or S-Off.
Anyways I got curious in snooping around the bootloader menu and to my surprise found it to be S-Off...
Was this luck or do all/most/many come this way?

...nobody knows??? Just curious...

Crossvxm said:
...nobody knows??? Just curious...
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Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)

tivofool said:
Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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Oh okay. I was surprised to find it S-Off when I got this thing. I couldn't believe my eyes. That will save me a load full of work, especially the part were some of the tools require a Linux OS instead of Windows. Now ofcourse Linux is a download and installation away, but my "temporary" (now permanent) laptop is so old it only packs 128mb of ram (max can ONLY reach 512mb) and any type of Linux installation just hangs and never installs no matter how many hours you leave it running.
Not to mention some of these devices require the "hotwire" trick, and every time i need something (such as a paper clip) it is nowhere to be found.

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...nobody knows??? Just curious...
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htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
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Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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all the devices come with s-on.

real187 said:
htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
all the devices come with s-on.
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Nah trust me his knowledge on rooting and so on is VERY LOW. It once took me nearly an hour to show him how to flash a rom on a device I sold him and in a day or two he already messed things up since the rom would wipe many key apps when given an old fashion factory reset. ANOTHER good hour wasted explaining to him the process over phone. If he were to buy these devices used already then sell them to me I would believe that perhaps that person did it instead of him. He gets them brand new in a store he works in, instead of commissions/bonuses for his many sales his boss lets him pick a free phone of his choice as long as its not 100% modern (e.g. a Nexus 5. wish I had that type of boss) in which he gets the opportunity to make more money off of that but remember, his boss doesn't have to pay cash, and he's basically stuck with selling it himself.
If he cant flash a simple rom, or even use a simple app to root a device, I doubt he will ever be able to S-Off an HTC. Also if he were younger (lol) I'd consider the possibility. I honestly believe that this thing may have mistakingly been left S-Off or something by the factory. Or maybe it served a purpose back at HTC.
Whatever the case, it was a big surprise to me.

real187 said:
htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
all the devices come with s-on.
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I would have to dig through old posts to find it, but I was talking to one guy who had just bought one from a store and they were S-off supercid. He said there were about 3-4 more there. Now this guy was from the middle east, I cannot remember which country he said.
I just assumed they had to sell them to that area that way so they could be used with their particular carrier.
I'll search and post it if I can find it.
Edit: found it, he was from Pakistan
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483636

tivofool said:
I would have to dig through old posts to find it, but I was talking to one guy who had just bought one from a store and they were S-off supercid. He said there were about 3-4 more there. Now this guy was from the middle east, I cannot remember which country he said.
I just assumed they had to sell them to that area that way so they could be used with their particular carrier.
I'll search and post it if I can find it.
Edit: found it, he was from Pakistan
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483636
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Hey now that you mention it I think thats the race his bosses are. But whats a supercid? Never heard of that before?

Nah definitely not as lucky to have a supercid. I assume CID = Carrier Identification seeing mine is T-Mobile related.
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