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this is a question for all you developers and coockers...
do you think the video call will ever exist in windows mobile 6?
i would really like to use this option but the wm5 is not an option for me.
i have arround 4000 contacts and wm5 is extremly slow to consult and call a contact. on the other hand, wm6 beta is very quick and i'm addicted to it!
i tried to go back to wm5 so i could use the video call but i quitted a few hours later...
so... is there a prognostic on this matter?
thanks
Unless the developers themselves are interested in using video call, it's not gonna happen.
Few people use the video call function... If they don't see the need, then they won't focus on fixing it.
But of course, read my sig.
...few people use mms...few people use power point.... few pwoplw use voip.... ok? is this a good reasons? baaahhhh!!! i'm very very hungry!!!!!
marco3254 said:
i'm very very hungry!!!!!
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lol go eat!
As a developer myself (PC).. I usually just create applications or fix things that I am paid to do. If Im not paid to do it, I just tend to to things that cater to my own needs.
My point is.. if a ROM developer does not need video call, why bother fixing it? Are they being paid to fix it?
Although monetary benefit is not always the best motivator, most people can also get motivated in doing things for self-gratification, if they are being praised, or hearing people say "thanks", "i love you!!!" or "you're my hero!" also works.
thank you both for replying.
i think the question is not to use an aplication much, but the power to use it!
i like having tools that i may or not need, even if i never use them. maybe one day i do need it.
of course this is not the case, i really need the video call!
like mms... i allways forget to configure it because i rarelly send mms messages, however if someone sends me an mms, i like to have the power to receive it.
well... maybe some day a developer puts some effort on this precious tool
i posted a poll in this thread to decide how many people are interested in video call.
i hope the results can influence the rom developers.
please vote fellows!
Hello,i vote for videocall.
Thank
maury
kalimah said:
thank you both for replying.
i think the question is not to use an aplication much, but the power to use it!
i like having tools that i may or not need, even if i never use them. maybe one day i do need it.
of course this is not the case, i really need the video call!
like mms... i allways forget to configure it because i rarelly send mms messages, however if someone sends me an mms, i like to have the power to receive it.
well... maybe some day a developer puts some effort on this precious tool
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i'm with you.... ok.
Those who don't need it, simply don't use it!
For those who don't need it, simply don't use it!
But some of us really need the videocall function and that's the main reason why some people use WM5... Even with an older ROM, we (yes I'm one of those who install back Helmi's WM5 AKU3.5 ROM) are able to explore all Universal’s functions.
There's anyone still working on it? In January videocall issue as faced like a resolving soon problem
i need videocall!
Ehi guys,
yesterday I found that a WM6 ROM is available in Italian from A1KStyle...
They claim that videocall is ready and working...
I don't need it so I haven't tested the ROM... but for who is interested in it...
Bye.
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Ehi guys,
yesterday I found that a WM6 ROM is available in Italian from A1KStyle...
They claim that videocall is ready and working...
I don't need it so I haven't tested the ROM... but for who is interested in it...
Bye.
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no no not working... it's an error... i have tested.... not work
W W W Video Callllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
I thought there is a cab file to put in the video call??? I tried it on the last rom and it works but incoming caller ID was being pushed out of the screen hence i uninstalled it..
As i said in an old post: If you are here that means that you BOUGHT an HTC Universal.
Well.. BELIVE ME: Qualcomm don't present the MSM6250...
I PAID IT.. You all paid it!
Even who says that don't use videocall!!!
I wonder WHY you bought a device that makes videocall.. IF YOU DON'T USE IT?!!
Sorry, i can't understand: Maybe they have a lot of money! I don't know!
There are a lot of device much cheaper.. That's because they can't make a videocall!!!
I guess we can even do a paypal donation to the one who will make us able to make a videocall on wm6; for example 10€ each one of us and we can achieve enough money.
But in this case, of course, the application must work.
Anyway WWWWVideocall
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I guess we can even do a paypal donation
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I agree!!!
DJ Palmis said:
As i said in an old post: If you are here that means that you BOUGHT an HTC Universal.
Well.. BELIVE ME: Qualcomm don't present the MSM6250...
I PAID IT.. You all paid it!
Even who says that don't use videocall!!!
I wonder WHY you bought a device that makes videocall.. IF YOU DON'T USE IT?!!
Sorry, i can't understand: Maybe they have a lot of money! I don't know!
There are a lot of device much cheaper.. That's because they can't make a videocall!!!
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Some of us bought it because it was a good pda with a vga screen, full qwerty keyboard, UMTS (for data) and was at a good price (I got mine for £250 off eBay). Also, point me to a device with the same specs that is cheaper and without video calling... Thats what I thought - there isn't one....
In Australia there is only one carrier that supports video calling and, at the time of purchase, I wasn't with them.
Don't get me wrong - I would love video calling. But if you want it so desperately ask what you can do to help, rather than moaning about it. I do believe that JWright produced a beta for his ROM - see how that went and see if you can improve it.
And, if you aren't a developer:
What are you doing on these forums?????
Register your interest (ie vote in the poll)
Ask, politely, once
Switch back to WM5 if your desperate
Remember: ALL OF THESE ROMS ARE BETAS. Most of them have a lot of issues fixed and I'm sure that the developers are working on Video Calling... just be patient and have faith
DaVince said:
As a developer myself (PC).. I usually just create applications or fix things that I am paid to do. If Im not paid to do it, I just tend to to things that cater to my own needs.
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that's basically how it works
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I'm sure that the developers are working on Video Calling...
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Unfortunately.. neither Ivan, Midget, helmi, nor Jwright claims that they are working on video call.
I'm an early adopter of the N1. My G1 will now only have wifi connectivity and I am wondering if there are any roms that are optimized for non-phone use. I think the desire for that kind of optimization will only grow as people start replacing their first loves. I might be completely off-base, I have been up for a couple days. I'm not even sure what I want when I say optimization. But I didn't know what I wanted from custom roms when I got my first G1 and now I can't wait until Cyanogen drops his first full rom for the N1.
I see where you are comming from.. as I LOVE my G1 and at the same time lusting for the N1. I would like to have another use for the G1, something like a media center remote.. or anything.
I think this is a good idea and look forward to some of the dev responses.
You dont need a special rom for it without service. If you dont have service then phone and the like just wont work. Uninstall what you dont want. But there arent going to be any devs making roms just for g1 without service, it is a complete waste of time. There wouldnt be anything different, minus no phone.
i dont really see the point of that tbh - you can change the call button to open something else for example
furthermore - wrong section
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i dont really see the point of that tbh - you can change the call button to open something else for example
furthermore - wrong section
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lol.. OMG dude your sig is so right. I used to love helping people with anythign electronicall or software related... Since I joined here I realized, noone wants help... they want someone to hold their hand and do it for them. Bunch of ungreatfull spoiled brats.
Sorry, but this will get moved or deleted anyway lol
thanks dude
if you like that then you will love my autoreply for emails to [email protected]
email me there and you will see it (yes im the idiot who decided to help people who are apparently idiots coz most ask the same bloody questions that have been answered in a million threads before)
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thanks dude
if you like that then you will love my autoreply for emails to [email protected]
email me there and you will see it (yes im the idiot who decided to help people who are apparently idiots coz most ask the same bloody questions that have been answered in a million threads before)
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Classic! I love the auto-response...
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But there arent going to be any devs making roms just for g1 without service, it is a complete waste of time. There wouldnt be anything different, minus no phone.
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If the device no longer needs to maintain the functionality of a phone, the door is even wider open. It could, for example, be a rom with debian cooked in, or it could be something like no6969el described.
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furthermore - wrong section
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Really? This is not the place to discuss a certain type of rom?
I think the both of you are too closed minded.
you are asking a question, not contributing to the good of the android community
they answer is simple - yes...but pointless
i am far from close minded - i am always up for expanding the capabilities of my phone....not detracting from them like this idea
you can use the phone as a media centre remote with the aid of a simple app on the market
you can disable mobile data and use only wifi
you can reprogram the call button to do whatever you want
you can install debian/ubuntu rather easily and use it with vncviewer
all these things can already be done using stock android - nevermind having to modify it
Nothing I have said or asked has detracted from android. Asking questions has its place in development, it causes thinking. Re-purposing old gen hardware happens, sometimes with fantastic results. First generation android devices, like the G1, have many possibilities other than telephony.
I am wondering if there are any roms that are optimized for non-phone use.
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i do believe that is asking a general question
anyway, i am not here to argue... i just feel that the original question belonged in the QnA section
so i just loaded froyo 2.2 and the A853_Telus_Upgrade_SHOLS_U2_03.11.0_USASHLSMR2TLSB1B2B506D.0R_Service1FF.sbf for the boot load, everythin works, but i have no signal. help would be greatly appreciated, thanks
Tonka, no offense intended, but why do we need four new threads from you, all pretty much relating to the same issue?
furthermore, if you had read the guide posted with the ROM, you would've known to back up your radio files BEFORE flashing...
after flashing and restoring them, if it's still not working, there are posts in the ROM's thread that include links to the radio files to various popular carriers, almost all of which work.
I got my radio files from someone on the forum here, you can too.
btw, RTFM. honestly.
im sorry, its jus i kept encountering other problems along the way, but would u please give me the link to these radio files, an tell me where id have to place them. thanks
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im sorry, its jus i kept encountering other problems along the way, but would u please give me the link to these radio files, an tell me where id have to place them. thanks
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sure, here's a great link for you to get started with...
http://www.google.com
ur an asshole
TONKAFORCE said:
ur an asshole
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thanks for the compliment.
to be totally frank, I had many of the same issues you did. From this forum alone, I'm up and running full time on the MotoFrenzy 2.2 build.
I only got working because there's plenty of other people who have had the same problem who have ALREADY documented the fixes.
If you look hard enough, I bet you'll find them too.
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this reminds me of the old addage about teaching a man to fish... just in this case, it's about teaching a man to search.
well it would save me a lot of time if you could just help me, like i just have one question,i got the working radio files from system/etc/motorola/bp_nvm_default/
an copied:
File_Audio
File_Audio2
File_GSM
File_Seem_Flex_Tables
generic_pds_init
now i jus dont know how to replace them witht eh froyo 2.2 ones. could u help me?
I really can't. I already spent a significant amount of time searching for answers in the loins of this forum for myself... I don't have time to do it for you too.
To be honest its quite the selfish request you're making there... hmmm... and you call me an asshole then expect me to help. Ha. No thanks.
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just check out the first couple of pages of dexter's post, it's all in there
not to interfere with the debate,
but an honest answer is also, if you cannot understand the steps explained, i would not recommend trying to install any mods for openrecovery and messing with the files in the system..
you can easily corrupt the image, and you will spend even more time on trying to figure out why A is not working , while B,C,D problem suddenly occur causing A not to function..
I know HTC made it easy for all modders to make custom firmwares using almost identical radio's and only in some cases, it goes really bad for some regions, but in our case Motrola decided to make the baseband a huge part of the drivers and way to resolve communication and even make it provider locked or complex in a way i cannot even explain. (preferred providers over others as example, custom mobile services as another)
many HTC mods, includes support for like 12-15 countries in one image, looking at "locale" supported, where motorola pushes 12 different firmwares out..i personally only mess with a UK as it worked fine for me, trying to make the other 11 work, would require much more support and engagement in the technical aspects of the mod..we are lucky a few document and write feedback on how they accomplished to make it work (telus as example)
I couldn't agree more.
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got it all working
I'm so fed up with roms on the g2x but ok lets get beyond that...
I've noticed some builds don't have the user agent string baked into the browser so you have to use the about:debug method which does not hold nor work properly.
I'm wondering if there's any other file i can edit to work around this...framework file by chance? Help appreciated
Why not just try a different Browser.apk?
have grabbed browser apk's from multiple builds that have the option and it working, fixed permissions and such and replaced the file but upon opening they all force close
jae-v said:
have grabbed browser apk's from multiple builds that have the option and it working, fixed permissions and such and replaced the file but upon opening they all force close
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Have you tried installing it via ADB?
jae-v said:
I'm so fed up with roms on the g2x but ok lets get beyond that...
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Then you build and compile your own custom rom that has all the features you want/need in it. People should be thankful for whatever custom work has been done on the phone. Since the roms were developed at no cost to you, and you have a choice whether you want to use it or not; you don't really have the right to be "fed up" with the roms out there.
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Then you build and compile your own custom rom that has all the features you want/need in it. People should be thankful for whatever custom work has been done on the phone. Since the roms were developed at no cost to you, and you have a choice whether you want to use it or not; you don't really have the right to be "fed up" with the roms out there.
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+1
I see so many people complaining about the ROM development on this phone... But people need to realize that people have lives outside of XDA, and Android Development. haha
FWIW and you guys should see, i've been a contributing member on this site for quite some time now, i donate to developers and i'm not some ungreatful kid, i'm an adult with a serious unique question...if neither of you can help me i would appreciate it if you could take your negative connotations out.
I will find a way to decompile the apk, edit the uastring, and then recompile.
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FWIW and you guys should see, i've been a contributing member on this site for quite some time now, i donate to developers and i'm not some ungreatful kid, i'm an adult with a serious unique question...if neither of you can help me i would appreciate it if you could take your negative connotations out.
I will find a way to decompile the apk, edit the uastring, and then recompile.
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My post wasn't directed towards you in anyway. Sorry if I offended to you, and I thank you for contributing to this forum.
May I ask what ROM you're running?
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Hello, I'd like to preface this post by saying it's not my goal to accuse anyone of anything or start a flame war. I'm genuinely curious, and just want some open discussion.
I've been confused recently by an undercurrent of resentment or ill-will in the development section. Dev's threads getting closed or deleted for not getting permission to use this or that in their ROM, snide remarks about their abilities in the ROM release thread, long rambling posts about "haters," etc.
What's with this? From my perspective, it almost looks like developers think they should have the right to post edits/changes to HTC's software and framework without permission, but then turn around and say nobody else can build upon their edits without permission.
I firmly believe in giving credit where credit is due, but isn't it a bit counter-productive and even hypocritical to have threads taken down because another dev says "hey I didn't say you could use that!" Isn't XDA built upon the fact that HTC and other manufacturers turn a blind eye to us using and altering their work and releasing the altered product without permission? What am I missing here?
Just to reiterate one more time: I'm not trying to be accusatory, I just honestly want to understand the other side of this argument and why this behavior is being tolerated around here. Thanks!
I agree with you.....but
There has been a few ROMs posted here, that are completely 'kanged' from someone elses ROM.. Now i know the ROM is based of HTC so we all should do as we wish with it, But when someone has spent a lot of time ironing out bugs, adding tweaks and generally reducing the size and making the ROM better... And then someone steals that, changes the build.prop to change the ROMs name and release it as their own is totally out of order..
Now not to mention any names, but this has been done several times since the release of this phone, Its this sort of behaviour that puts serious Developers off the idea of making this phone better for us all..
Majority of the Devs here hardly get paid for what they do, I doubt they receive enough in donations to jack there job and do this full time.. So wouldnt you be annoyed if someone stole your work ? and every one was giving you credit and thanks and donations, Even though those credits / donations belong to someone else ?
We should SHARE in this community, The majority of us do, However we should NOT KANG other peoples work..
Im a big kanger, i kang 3-4 ROMs together, Using bits i like from each ROM and use it as my daily driver, However I would not dream of releasing it as it goes against everything i stand for..
Great discussion you have right here man.
If you don't ask permission for work you can't use the ROM/files etc.
What sucks is if you PM the developer they still say "No" so what is a win win in this situation? People like the word "kanging". It's not kanging at all because none of these files were made by you! All of these files were made by HTC and there Team! Don't claim anything !
So what about leedroids ROM ?? None of his tweaks came built into the HTC ROM, Hes made them himself.. Would you just take his work even if he said no ??
That my friend is KANGING.
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What sucks is if you PM the developer they still say "No" so what is a win win in this situation?
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Surely the win win situation is to put the effort in and make these mods / tweaks yourself ?? If a Dev says no, He doesnt mean, sneakily take it and rename it.
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So what about leedroids ROM ?? None of his tweaks came built into the HTC ROM, Hes made them himself.. Would you just take his work even if he said no ??
That my friend is KANGING.
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No I never said that.
I'm just saying. Don't call your work yours because how about if HTC said "Nobody can use our ROM's a base" then if we use it we get sued.
Half of the ROM's are just built of there base with tons of modified things and they still get stuff from other people about "kanging" even with permission etc.
If you don't ask permission for work you can't use the ROM/files etc.
Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?
That's life but I think the people should relax a bit more.
Until Lee's ROM there were only Stock ROMs with some improvement's and tweaks by he_stheone64.
Lee (a great and maybe the best dev) now included any tweaks which available.
But remember that he "only ported" the things from Jan (j4n87 or so is his name).
In fact the whole developement story is just kanging.- Kanging the release's of the company..
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Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?
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I'm not saying anything o-o.
I'll take that I'll take that that's a good thing and great way to say it! Even the HBoot says it yet people make S-OFF etc.
Agree 100% Actually Azzle! Right on
I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it
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I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it
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Love it
irony?
Anyway, hope this thread won't get to a ***** fight, I won't post in this one anymore..
zylith said:
I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it
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Agreed. We're all a huge team/community just making our own ROMs and putting our personal touches to them. It's not about doing something and achieving something, and not wanting to share. Getting permission to use is all that's really required.
No need to fight over this stuff guys....it's just a mistake that can be fixed. No biggie. Just follow the proper procedures and avoid unnecessary run-ins like this. Let's focus on giving the community what they want....and that's options!!!
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Agreed. We're all a huge team/community just making our own ROMs and putting our personal touches to them. It's not about doing something and achieving something, and not wanting to share. Getting permission to use is all that's really required.
No need to fight over this stuff guys....it's just a mistake that can be fixed. No biggie. Just follow the proper procedures and avoid unnecessary run-ins like this. Let's focus on giving the community what they want....and that's options!!!
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well put.
Not a dev, but been around awhile
On the HTC side--my impression is they don't mind these kangs, even back to the N1. Hence they allow unlocking. They monitor these forums and look for the improvements by the devs to help them also.
Now, that is just my understanding from xda posts I have read going back 2 years on this topic, I may be wrong--
Otherwise, 100% support for asking first and giving credit to original devs--
Ken
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Not a dev, but been around awhile
On the HTC side--my impression is they don't mind these kangs, even back to the N1. Hence they allow unlocking. They monitor these forums and look for the improvements by the devs to help them also.
Now, that is just my understanding from xda posts I have read going back 2 years on this topic, I may be wrong--
Otherwise, 100% support for asking first and giving credit to original devs--
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Exactly.
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Thanks for the replies. It makes sense to ask permission first before using others' work- only common courtesy I appreciate the different thoughts on this. Helps to understand where this stuff is coming from. Hopefully this doesn't become a downward spiral of devs having ill-will towards each other and refusing to work together.
Also, I never said HTC was against this community or what it does- only that it seemed hypocritical from some devs to take their work, alter it, and then actively try to stop others from building upon that.
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Thanks for the replies. It makes sense to ask permission first before using others' work- only common courtesy I appreciate the different thoughts on this. Helps to understand where this stuff is coming from. Hopefully this doesn't become a downward spiral of devs having ill-will towards each other and refusing to work together.
Also, I never said HTC was against this community or what it does- only that it seemed hypocritical from some devs to take their work, alter it, and then actively try to stop others from building upon that.
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I would hope this brings us closer together- I am new to the dev world- but have been around xda for years. I have no ill will towards ANYONE. Hell people make mistakes- I make mistakes- fix the problem - then move on. We are here for each-other.
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with relation to Htc themselves..im still in shock they havent implemented some of the modifications that xda or devs in general have come up with
htc need to be hiring some of the devs..if only to get rid of the nasty status bar they insist on keeping..in some ways i think they are doing it on purpose just to grate people!
look at the one s source for example..many people have complained and its still not released lol..i think they are just laughing at us
Those are not devs, they are just "devs" if you know what I mean
This is my view, Android is open source right? I mean I agree 100% Give credit where it is due but the thing is, we don't give credit to HTC for the rom base every time. It seems like when a system UI for example is modified, i don't see the issue that if you give them credit why do you have to ask them? Did we ask HTC if we can Mod their system UI? I mean its not like it was ours in the first place. It seems all over rated. If you say Hey thanks John Doe for the Blah blah blah then it shouldn't be an issue. That is one thing that can really put a damper on Development.
Look at the situation with people getting mad at HTC for having the HTC Evita (ATT One X) Having a locked bootloader! some of the devs and people here think they are entitled to these things.
Another Example, The HTC Ruby (Amaze 4G) S-off situation. HTC gives them an unlocked bootloader and they Demand S-off from them. I mean where does they hypocrisy end.
Basically, I believe that if dev's are going to request people to ask them first. I want the Dev's to call up htc before they make a rom, in addition to putting "Huge thanks to HTC for the rom base!" In their threads. Its open source, if they want it closed source then I advise the call apple and develop for them.
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Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?
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His response doesn't sound like he's hot or bothered at all. Looks like you're the one catching feelings
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