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If you are running a Rom will ATT know ,and change your data settings, if you use the mobile hotspot? I thought I read they can't and you can do it on your unlimited plan without them know or changing, but I just wanted to if that's true.
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Kent Melton said:
If you are running a Rom will ATT know ,and change your data settings, if you use the mobile hotspot? I thought I read they can't and you can do it on your unlimited plan without them know or changing, but I just wanted to if that's true.
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They have ways of knowing. For example, a couple of months ago some jailbroken iPhone users started getting letters and text messages from AT&T stating they need to either stop tethering or be forced to get a tethering plan. I haven't heard of the same thing happening with Android users though. Earlier this month Google bowed to pressure from the phone companies and started removing tethering apps from the Market.

Att is most likely checking the natted IP bounce since using hotspots requires extra hop. Have to use proxy to avoid trace.

I was USB tether my phone to my work laptop for internet and have been doing so for many months and never once has ATT said anything. Then again thats USBtether, not wifi
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xKrisx said:
I was USB tether my phone to my work laptop for internet and have been doing so for many months and never once has ATT said anything. Then again thats USBtether, not wifi
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The issue arises when someone is using tens or hundreds of GB per month, that kind of gives it away. If you only occasionally tether (wifi or hotspot) for basic websurfing, I doubt you're going to raise any red flags.

I know there were a few moments when I really needed internet on my laptop and decided to tether because I could... even thigh I was scared to do it, I did it anyways and I have yet to get any charges... so yeah just keep your usage while tethering low...
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ST3ALTHPSYCH0 said:
The issue arises when someone is using tens or hundreds of GB per month, that kind of gives it away. If you only occasionally tether (wifi or hotspot) for basic websurfing, I doubt you're going to raise any red flags.
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^this
i've consistently gone over 5gigs since i've had my unlimited data plan (nothing outrageous usually under 10gigs) and i wifi tether all the time. i read in another thread this exact thing... they can't really tell unless you all of a sudden jump your usage... for that reason i make sure i stay above the old 5 gig limit.

No more tethering on T-Mobile

I'm using the latest cm7 nightly and whenever I tether either over wifi or through USB on my x64 windows 7 machine, the internet dies after a couple minutes. Is anyone else having this issue?
I thought it might be an issue with the nightly build so I switched back to the stock rom and the internet tethering behaved exactly the same way. I also tried tethering to my laptop which is 32-bit windows 7. Because it didn't work on my laptop either, I think its either a hardware issue with my phone or T-Mobile is blocking the tether now.
I've also noticed that voip calling with the gingerbread sip client only works on wifi. I suspect that T-Mobile is starting to enforce some of their policies finally :/
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I wi-fi tethered to my Nook Color last night for a about 30mins and didn't have a problem at all.

T-mobile terms of service prohibits you to tether. Most people don't realize it but they can mess wit ur connection as they please if they find u using ur device in way that conflict with every user receiving equal service. Do u tether a lot and if u do way kind of activities do u do

illthrill said:
T-mobile terms of service prohibits you to tether. Most people don't realize it but they can mess wit ur connection as they please if they find u using ur device in way that conflict with every user receiving equal service. Do u tether a lot and if u do way kind of activities do u do
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T-Mobile does say it's against their TOS.
Bottom line is my data is mine. regardless of what device i use it on.
Now i will say that i only tether to other Android devices (IE Tablets), but still....

Capped?
Sounds like you're being capped :/ T-mobile will cap your data if you're using too much of it.. I've heard this many times.. they cap after 5gb of data, or maybe its 10gb? I'm not really sure but that sounds like what's happening to you. Usually it will disconnect or kick you to EDGE to slow you down.. Sucksss
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I have a HTC Sensation and used to have a LG G2x and both of them came with usb tethering and Wifi hotspot out of the box. I think your hitting the 5gb cap.

Not really. It may be that he hitting his cap but my friend just got tmobile and he can't tether either. I tried it out and it didn't work. I could connect but the internet wouldn't work and I know for a fact he didn't hit his cap. I just tried it and my tether works and I dont officially pay for it. I'm running royal panache. Hopefully they won't start enforcing this...
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I know I'm not at my cap... I only used about 2/5 gb so far. And the 4g will work on my phone even after my tethering stops working.
I noticed that while tethering that Google Chrome says "resolving proxy" in the status bar. The connection works really well within the first minute of tethering and then gets slower and slower until it dies completely.
I have x86 and x64 windows 7 machines that both show the same symptoms when tethering. But when I boot into my x64 Ubuntu desktop the tether works indefinitely. I suppose that T-Mobile detects how windows handles its network and somehow disables the tether through proxys.
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neidlinger said:
T-Mobile does say it's against their TOS.
Bottom line is my data is mine. regardless of what device i use it on.
Now i will say that i only tether to other Android devices (IE Tablets), but still....
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I can still tether too, but I don't use it to often though, only when I need to get something important while i'm out. But I've been tethering since I had my G1 and when I had my g1 i would tether my ps3 to to lighten the load on my wifi router. I dont do that anymore but I still like tether since I do pay around 30bux for 5GB unl, I want to make use of what i pay for. But i end up using around 2GBs per month anyway.

I don't tether much at all. I only have been browsing the internet with the tether because my cable DSL has been out for a week. But that's another story
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I tethered last weekend for about 27hours. No problems.

Okay it's working fine now... maybe T-Mobile is beta testing some filters they plan to use in the future?
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Beta testing filters? Lmfao....come on dude...common sense check...he or she is using nightlies...THINGS WILL BE BROKE. Or it could be a hardware issue...either way I have no issues with tethering at all. Oh any rom.
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I have had to tether a few times with my laptop and had no issues, I don't do it often either though but I've yet to recieve a notice stating other wise. I would think that since they provide network service by means of usb network cards it would depend on the amount of data used in a yearly quater which would force anyone to upgrade their service for obvious reasons. My brother travels on business alot and he had to switch service for the same reason, not because he was doing anything wrong but because there was a better service provided for that specific use. If your on a laptop all day get a network card other wise tethwring should be for simple tasks ans periodic use only.

Sorry, Newbie to tethering, So when you hit the 5gb cap tmobile will shut off/throttle the data services?
Does that apply even if i have the Old school Even More plan with unlimited data? I could understand how new or plan changes where the option for fully unlimited is not available but not so much for old school plans.
I also realize post merger I may be out of luck but one can hope.

It's still unlimited, the new plan starts throttling at 2GB instead of 5GB. You still have data, just at edge speeds.

thenotoriouspie said:
My God you're literally stupid. Data for your phone. Not for your laptop but your phone. Go die in a fire please.
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are you ignorant and just cannot read. I'm sure you're just trolling hoping to get a troololololol our of someone. but i never mentioned LapTops.

cfnerd said:
Sorry, Newbie to tethering, So when you hit the 5gb cap tmobile will shut off/throttle the data services?
Does that apply even if i have the Old school Even More plan with unlimited data? I could understand how new or plan changes where the option for fully unlimited is not available but not so much for old school plans.
I also realize post merger I may be out of luck but one can hope.
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You're plan is 5Gb of data. period. after that the brakes are slammed on .

cfnerd said:
Sorry, Newbie to tethering, So when you hit the 5gb cap tmobile will shut off/throttle the data services?
Does that apply even if i have the Old school Even More plan with unlimited data? I could understand how new or plan changes where the option for fully unlimited is not available but not so much for old school plans.
I also realize post merger I may be out of luck but one can hope.
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He's right, if your using more than that you should be on another plan, 5gbs is alot for a phone no matter how you cut it, personally I can blow threw 5 in a day easily depending on what I'm up to obviously but anything over that should be on a USB wireless network card.
Example:
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/?shape=lcards

ive been capped a few times and got a text message from t-mobile saying if i tethered any more that i would be charged. they have a monthly fee for tethering and hot spotting. its something insane like 25 bux a month. thats only happened once though and ive tethered and h spotted since with no problems. its accumulative i assume and you have to switch back and forth from each style of web connecting. try it and see if it helps at all.

what wifi tether to use

i just flashed the blackhole rom and all i can say is wow. it is incredible, so much cooler than some of the other ones ive found. but anyways im rooted and i was wondering what a good wifi tethering app to use is. obviously a free one that i wont have to pay ridiculous amounts of money for each month on my bill if i use it

Good luck with that. Most carriers are trying to crack down on this theft...check the market place they are there

Speaking of tether I have three questions.
1. If you start using a ridiculous amount of data you think vzw would catch on and try to charge you for it?
2. When vzw transitions to tiered data, they can't modify your plan if you currently have unlimited data can they?
3. Does vzw throttle data at a certain point?
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I use android-wifi-tether
code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list

yep use wife tether
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list
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1. probably if ur in the top 5% of users of data
2. no they cant. you are grandfathered in
3. not the 4g. i heard of people saying they used 40, 65 even 80 gb and they did not get throttled or cut off.

Jaskwith said:
Speaking of tether I have three questions.
1. If you start using a ridiculous amount of data you think vzw would catch on and try to charge you for it?
2. When vzw transitions to tiered data, they can't modify your plan if you currently have unlimited data can they?
3. Does vzw throttle data at a certain point?
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these phones can use quite a bit of data themselves. I think most of the apps use the "stealth" type of tether where verizon would have to guess that you were tethering based off of overall data usage.
verizon can throttle you. According to their policy, they will throttle the top 5% of data users, esp during peak times so as to not effect their network.

Jaskwith said:
Speaking of tether I have three questions.
1. If you start using a ridiculous amount of data you think vzw would catch on and try to charge you for it?
2. When vzw transitions to tiered data, they can't modify your plan if you currently have unlimited data can they?
3. Does vzw throttle data at a certain point?
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1. If you have unlimited data, then it wouldn't matter. If they can't prove you tether, then they can't charge you.
2. If you have unlimited data, you will be grandfathered into unlimited until you change your plan.
3. I've heard reports that they do and don't. I have never noticed being throttled, but I don't use a lot of data.
Verizon will soon be able to detect tether users. If you ever get an official update to your phone, say goodbye to tethering. Also google is starting to restrict downloads of tether apps to certain carriers, and you can bet verizon will be one of them.
Tethering days are numbered.
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I would recommend wireless tether.
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im running open garden wifi...same thing as wifi tether. i can't find wifi tether on the market

To find Wireless Tether on the market, you have to go into Airplane mode, enable WiFi and then search for it there.

or simply go to this website
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/

Those of you saying that VZW can't change your data plan/charge you extra and can't detect tethering are fools. The valid question is not whether they can do these things, it is a matter of whether they care or not. Right now I'm sure that they don't. The future is always an unknown.

I wonder if its downloaded through the phone if VZW would have record of it somewhere?

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or simply go to this website
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
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I've used that particular tethering app on various phones successfully in the past, and am in fact tethered with it over my Droid Charge (with version 3.1 beta). On most phones it's shown as an ad-hoc connection, not a real "access point" or "hotspot" like it does with the official tethering app. (The Charge right now is showing as an ad-hoc device, not a real wifi ap.)
Which version are you using on the Thunderbolt? What settings? I tried it this morning on the TB with 3.1 and while it appeared to work and connect as a real hotspot with the laptop, the laptop couldn't get any connections beyond the TB. I had everything on "auto".
Any hints/tips appreciated.
The connection right now for me on the Charge is more stable than with the official hotspot app...and it was the same with the official app on my Thunderbolt. I've posted youtube videos of both phones being used as a hotspot where the mobile data connection keeps flickering off, sometimes as rapidly as on for 5 seconds, no data for 5 seconds. It was maddening. Yesterday I had to pull out my TMobile Nexus S and use it's CM7 hotspot (which shows as a real access point, btw) to get a useable connection to the web.
Seems like the VZW official offerings aren't very stable.

I use the Wireless Tether 3.0 beta but you have to go to settings and click hTC routing fix for it to work.

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I use the Wireless Tether 3.0 beta but you have to go to settings and click hTC routing fix for it to work.
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Thanks! I missed that one in the settings. I also had to change the Device Profile from Auto to Generic, but now I'm tethered on my MacBook via the Thunderbolt, and it shows as a real access point.

I have been using wireless tether for root users on Das Bamf 3.0 RC4 with MR2 radio and have not had any drop issues thus far.

Just downloaded this as well. Works great! Thanks for the tip

I believe the 2.0.7 one from the Google site is the only one that works on the thunderbolt.

JetBlk said:
Just downloaded this as well. Works great! Thanks for the tip
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Dude, you're on Verizon now too Cool!
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Wifi Hotspot

Is the built in WiFi Hotspot feature free? I don't think a warning comes up when I try to use it.

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Is the built in WiFi Hotspot feature free? I don't think a warning comes up when I try to use it.
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What do you mean "free"?
It is a built-in feature of the Sensation...
You don't have to pay to HTC to use it.
Your provide might charge you additionally when you use your data plan with any other device than your mobile.
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In another thread; comments were it's free as long as you don't "Overuse " the connection. Don't know what the limit is.
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BigHunkoMan said:
In another thread; comments were it's free as long as you don't "Overuse " the connection. Don't know what the limit is.
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You're getting confused with a data plan. Using the WiFi Hotspot is free, unless you go over your data plan (unless your data plan is unlimited).
Example:
your data plan is 500mb
You use WiFi Hotspot and use 300mb
You use mobile browser and use 100mb - total used 400mb
You use WiFi Hotspot again and use 200mb - total used 600mb - OVER LIMIT.
So basically, using data in the browser or an app like Google Reader is the same as using WiFi Hotspot; you will not get charged unless you go over your data plan limit, which is set by your carrier (Verizon, Vodafone, O2, T-Mobile etc).

I'm with Tmobile and it's unlimited data, but your internet is capped after 2gb of data. I was just unsure if TMo will charge for using teh feature on your phone. I guess it's okay.

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I'm with Tmobile and it's unlimited data, but your internet is capped after 2gb of data. I was just unsure if TMo will charge for using teh feature on your phone. I guess it's okay.
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As redbullcat said, u don't get charged to use the app, just takes away from ur data. I for one use this feature a lot(5gb cap) at work since I don't have WiFi there and my 4G speeds r amazing.
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Note: As per a T-MobileUS rep here near Philadelphia, they are "working towards making it a pay-for feature". It's free for now.
Because hotspot works in infrastructure mode natively, I expect that wifi-tether will behave wonderfully even after TMO tries pushing the "feature".

piimp said:
As redbullcat said, u don't get charged to use the app, just takes away from ur data. I for one use this feature a lot(5gb cap) at work since I don't have WiFi there and my 4G speeds r amazing.
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Awesome. I'm new to TMobile and I hope to get the Android Preferred Data Plan upgrade. Thanks!

T-Mobile may send you a text notifying you that if you choose to continue tethering, they will apply the $15/month Tethering option.
If you don't blow your data usage out if the water you probably won't receive anything.
I still have yet to figure out where the "abuse" limit has been set.
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[Q] Android Wifi Tether -- will T-mobile charge me?

I recently discovered Android Wifi Tether, the first stable, functional and reliable app that creates an infrastructure AP so I can tether my Kindle Fire. The only problem is when I activate tethering, in the status bar I get the yellow Wifi Tether icon flasing by then a moment later, I get a smaller blue icon that says "Tethering or hotspot active". This is the same message that comes from T-mobile/2.3.6 ROM that says you're using their (pricey) builtin hotspot feature. When I go into Settings - Wireless- Tethering -Mobile AP settings the Mobile AP is grayed out and it says "Error" underneath it. With Wifi Tether off Mobile AP is not grayed and can be checked on/off. I don't want to get charged for tethering my KF!
Does anyone know how to setup Wifi Tether to not trigger the builtin hotspot feature -- or if it even does?
Specs:
Samsung Galaxy S4g mostly stock rooted 2.3.6
Android Wifi Tether 3.1 beta 11 (latest one as this moment). I'm using Samsung Galaxy S profile and for setup method I've used both Auto and netd, neither of which made any difference, got that same blue popup for both.
So does anyone know for sure if it's really being triggered and I'll get hit with the $30/month hotspot fee or if I can safely ignore this?

I do not get charged extra for Mobile AP or tethering. Just slowed down if I hit 5 gigs.

Thanks, that's very helpful. Yours is 5g though? I think my contract throttles me at 2g!
Edit: Yep, just checked, I get throttled at 2g. I'm on a two-line plan with my wife for $100 for both lines, unlimited text and talk, throttled data after 2g. Wonder if there are different plans with different throttle caps? I've never even hit 2g but now that I've discovered I can tether that may change...

lumin30 said:
I do not get charged extra for Mobile AP or tethering. Just slowed down if I hit 5 gigs.
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5gb/old unlmtd plan comes with free hotspots/tethering.
And jbone, Tmo will charge you if they catch on and the feature isn't on your plan.
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If you just do basic stuff like browsing and email your fine. I was using it to sftp files and got hit with a 10 dollar tether fee.
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that's not really fair.
I read the contract "yes".
I could find anything that says that they can amend it.
And look --> 5gb throttle and tether fee.
I haven't gotten anything yet though.
PS how do you know that you got throttled. I did get some slow 4g last month, but it was still useable.
If throttled, should you be able to see 2g on your status bar?

I've been using tmo for years. The only time I had an issue is when I exceeded 10gb. That month I had a fee, I agreed to pay it and claimed ignorance, got it removed. No problems since.
After the 5 gig "softcap", you are limited to EDGE speed, but data services still work.
EDIT: jb0ne, I was able to get 5g for $20/mo through retentions. However, if you have the promo $49.99/line, then any change would require a new minute and messaging plan.
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Wifi tether worked for me just fine until i started watching movies on it. They did not just automatically charge me. All they did was send me a txt msg and shut me off from using wifi tether. I found that if u change ur internet browser info in ur registry on ur computer u can still use this service for free even after they shut u off. Do not edit ur registry if u dont know what u are doing. Also there is no charge for going over ur 5gb cap they just slow it down to a crawl. If u want u can pay an extra 30$ for a 10gb cap. If u dont use enourmous amounts of data like i did with the tether they never shut it off.
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don't use the stock tether. Use barnacle wifi tether. This way it will look just like you are using data. YOu need to be rooted though.

airfluip1 said:
don't use the stock tether. Use barnacle wifi tether. This way it will look just like you are using data. YOu need to be rooted though.
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Yes do that... Thanks airfluip
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airfluip1 said:
don't use the stock tether. Use barnacle wifi tether. This way it will look just like you are using data. YOu need to be rooted though.
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Except that barnacle only makes ad hoc networks. Kindle fire needs infrastructure mode. Android-wifi-tether is the only program I've found that can do it, but like i said it seems to trigger the tmobile hotspot....but I'm not sure.

I never did, btw there r actually lots of other apps that do that as well... although i did get a text from tm asking me to stop lol

Try opengarden....its awesome!

Opengarden also only makes ad hoc networks. Their code looks like it was lifted straight out of Android wifi tether; guess they left the infrastructure option behind though.
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I currently use open garden to tether my kindle fire and it works 100% with no messages or charges from t-mobile.
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