What's your favorite Sense 3.5 rom and why! - HTC Sensation

What is your preffered Sense 3.5 rom on Sensation today?
Is it the fastest one? The more stable one? the more ...?
I am using Senseay and though it's very stable I wonder if there is any rom faster and funnier out there.

LeeDroid's is the best one

InserCoin is the best ,then Elegancia

I'm currently using Sens-O-Matic (or so) and i like it. At the first day i had some random reboots but not anymore (just didnt accur anymore).
The good thing about it is, that you can choose which bloatware (HTC Hub, HTC Notes, HTC whatever) you want and what you don't want.

There is a thread with a poll, where you can see what people think. I think it is in forum general!
I agree with the poll, that is ARHD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) is the best;-)
Why fast smooth and so on.

Elegencia is faster than Senseay? I mean in scrolling,drawer...
I which we can have the sgs2 speed with a sense 3.5 rom

The only 3.5 roms that ever ran up to snuff for me was Energy, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226564, and LeeDroid was probably just as good. I'm not sure how it is now, but when 3.5 roms first starting being uploaded, they ran really bad on my phone. They're good now though, but I prefer AOSP.

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There is a thread with a poll, where you can see what people think. I think it is in forum general!
I agree with the poll, that is ARHD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) is the best;-)
Why fast smooth and so on.
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that maybe the best rom for sensation (i never used it), but you will have sense 3.0 and not 3.5 with it.

I prefer sense-o-maniac because of "bloatware free" and many good features. Battery life, too

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I prefer sense-o-maniac because of "bloatware free" and many good features. Battery life, too
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+1 Sense-O-Maniac is a very cool fast 3.5 rom!

I've really liked InsertCoin's stuff, especially 3.4.5 (the current one). It might be my imagination, but some of the releases are hit-and-miss, but 3.4.5 is absolutely a hit.
Smooth as silk, great battery life, no random reboots or force closures. Love it.
I also liked ARHD, but I had random reboots and boot loops that drove me insane. May have been the specific release I used though, who knows.

Sensay, insert coin, sense-o-maniac and digitalized are my favorites all are fast smooth and don't have bugs that I found just look at there features and pick
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Bulletproof 2.2.1
Been using it for a while now, with no issues or slowdowns, great battery life and the tweaks settings menu is great!
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nushuth said:
that maybe the best rom for sensation (i never used it), but you will have sense 3.0 and not 3.5 with it.
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Actually it is 3.5, depends which flavor you going to flash of the ROM.
Either 3.x.x = sense 3.0 or 4.x.x = sense 3.5
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Been using insertcoin since s-off days. I love it. Quick and easy. With bricked kernel you got a beast of a phone.
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InsertCoin Def the beez knees
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I like LeeDroid v4.0
I get best battery life and I don't have complications trying to take quick pictures here and there.. I only have one negative to add and its that incoming pictures are small when I try to open them up quality is bad.
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Senseay is great and stable but battery life is terrible,playing games more than 10 mins will eat 20%!
What about the new ''a la mode'' Elegencia rom?
I think I will choose between ARHD and Elegencia (for the themes).
Later when ICS port will be fully functional (Trip one) I will try it

I'm new to the sensation and I was going to post this same general question. I know many have their own favorite and it's an individual choice but I'd really like help narrowing things down. I came from the G2 and it seems like a LOT of these sensation roms are very close to each other, I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out the differences between them. I think it'd be helpful if more of you described WHY you like the one you like.

Synergy r93. Hands down nicest 3.5 ROM I have used.
Thanks *damo*
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Cyanogenmod or Coredroid...

I just got my new inspire 4g and was thinking to flash it with Cyanogenmod but I like the sence UI I found that coredroid V 4.6 includes the sence UI and runs on 2.3.3 which is pretty good, but is it worth?
try them both see which one you like just make a nandroid back up.
Its like asking which is better chocolate or vanilla..
ive tried both and liked both. but i stuck with the coredroid rom myself. its the best ive tried and i also used the core roms on my hd2.
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ive tried both and liked both. but i stuck with the coredroid rom myself. its the best ive tried and i also used the core roms on my hd2.
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I decided for CoreDroid V4.7 released today, and works pretty nice I'll stick to it
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I decided for CoreDroid V4.7 released today, and works pretty nice I'll stick to it
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Does the dual microphone work with it? I'm not sure how you'd check though lol
And how is the sound?
Does anyone know which has better battery life?
CoreDroid 5 FTW!
I was reluctant to give up Sense- it's a great shell. But I have made the switch and I am glad I did.
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I love CM7..... I have tried a bunch of the 2.2 roms and even with juice defender i can't get any better battery life.
Personally I would go with CM7, but I hate Sense and the inevitable lag that always comes with Sense ROM's. CoreDroid has to be the best Sense ROM I've tried, though.
MIUI Inspire 4G
Dilligaf has a really smooth ROM with Sense, too. I'd be back on it if I weren't digging MIUI so much.
Non-Sense Roms and Sync?
Do you lose the ability to sync to your PC with HTC Sync if you are using a ROM without the Sense UI?
dortok said:
Does the dual microphone work with it? I'm not sure how you'd check though lol
And how is the sound?
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In my experience if you cover the mic on the back you will sound muffled to callers on the other end of a phone call. That could be one way to test.
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I started out with CM7 and haven't left it yet. I just love the vanilla Android experience over Sense. Don't get me wrong I like Sense but I think Android is better off without skins on top of it.
I liked both, but sticking with CM7 for now... It just comes down to personal preference as they are both good.
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I started out with CM7 and haven't left it yet. I just love the vanilla Android experience over Sense. Don't get me wrong I like Sense but I think Android is better off without skins on top of it.
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+1
I think that Sense is the best of the skins out there comparing it to motoblur and touchwiz especially but it will always be the least of all evils instead of actually adding something to my user experience with Android.
wastegate13 said:
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I think that Sense is the best of the skins out there comparing it to motoblur and touchwiz especially but it will always be the least of all evils instead of actually adding something to my user experience with Android.
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Couldn't have said it better myself!
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I decided to go with CM7, and am quite happy. I was very happy to get rid of Sense, especially the twitter app.
The running battery life is definitely worse than stock, but not too bad. I'm using SetCPU to limit the clock to 375 whenever the display is turned off, and that has helped my standby/sleeping battery life noticeably.
ButtonBoy said:
I was reluctant to give up Sense- it's a great shell. But I have made the switch and I am glad I did.
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How did you get the clock and battery percent to show like that?
xxyxxyxyx1 said:
Does anyone know which has better battery life?
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Best of all I have tried so far! By far!
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Best No Sense/Senseless Rom

Hi everyone,
As the title suggest, which Rom would you recommend.
I don't want CM7 or AOSP as i want everything to work!
I want something stable for daily use
Thank you
Hypernosense beta0.6. Try it to believe!
If it's not CM7 or AOSP then the ROM that you want doesn't exist.
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hyperNONsense used it for awhile loved it
Do sense less roms still have to have the screen unlocked before you can answer a call?
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afaik i can answer a call without unlocking on both hypersensation and hypernonsense...
ontopic - i suggest you to try out hypersensation,at the beggining i was skeptic too but everything is extremely smooth(kristofpetho took it to a whole new level ),only thing i dont like is camera but its not that bad...if you dont like cm7 then try out hypernonsense(beats,amazecam and other things)...
If you don't want sense, why buy a HTC phone???
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I'm using HyperSensation downclocked at 800 and is running super smooth like if i didn't underclock.
Underclock =Battery life
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The nonsense sense o maniac works great too used it for a while give it a shot.
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I have the same question. I will be getting my sensation tomorrow(hopefully) and would like to know ROM is the best for battery life, UI and looks.
i have looked at some ROM's and i like this one MIUI.us HTC Sensation 1.11.25 but im not sure how good is the battery and if there are better ones out there.
Thanks
I've been meaning to try hypernosense. That rom looks great and I'm just plain tired of Rosie launcher.
But if you're not into the CM-based variants, you can always grab the fastest, most stable Sense rom and run lukogriffioen's no sense script over it. I like this script because it removes more stuff than the ones we have in the Sensation forum and you get to keep the Sense lockscreen if you want. Only thing I don't like about this script is that it installs Launcher Pro and Go SMS, but whatever I took them both out and put an English translated 360 Launcher and stock SMS app in their places.
Just throwing out another alternative if you don't like any of the current no sense roms. Just make your own.
i couldnt find anything on hypernosense on the internet.
I googled it and nothing came up. Am i missing something?
soldier16 said:
i couldnt find anything on hypernosense on the internet.
I googled it and nothing came up. Am i missing something?
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Try Hypernonsense
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I know this is not what you said you wanted but I highly suggest MIUI buy miui.us. It is real nice and stable, absolutely wonderful on battery life on the Bricked kernel OC'd at 1.5GHz.
I don't have a screenie so you'll just have to take my word for it but with the stock battery, everything syncing, wifi and 3g, 40% brightness and like I said OC'd to 1.53 I get FAR better battery life than I did on ARHD DC'd to 1Ghz. Same thing for the stock rom at 800mhz, SENSEaY at 1Ghz and even InsertCoin at 1Ghz.
You will however have to either push or move a new camera apk to the system because the stock one fcs when you try to take a picture. That has been my only issue so far and its a pretty simple fix.
You can also install the stock GB launcher from the market if you don't like the stock one.
I like hypernonsense... it combines the best aspects of CM7 and Sense, and its simple and clean, quick and snappy.
ebatr8 said:
The nonsense sense o maniac works great too used it for a while give it a shot.
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+1 awesome rom by chef V6-Maniac!
Hypernonsense is simply amazing. Haven't even considered another rom ever since I put that one on.
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Pyramid 3D NoSense
Hypersensation is great.
I enjoyed trying out miui too - but it's a bit too bubbly for me
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If it's not CM7 or AOSP then the ROM that you want doesn't exist.
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+1
And CM7 is perfectly stable and everything's working on my Sensation ;-)

My favorite ROM

I've spent the last two weeks trying out different ROMs. I was looking for one that had everything I wanted. I didn't find one, but this is what I've ended up with.
CM 7.1: it's my favorite. I love the speed (best Quadrant scores of all), flawless behavior, and ability to customize. My favorite tweak is the quick login (no Ok).
Flaw: FM radio is poor and needs Bluetooth turned on.
MIUI.us 1.12.9: (very close) second favorite. Use Go Launcher Ex as I don't like the MIUI launcher. FM radio works well, but makes noise when it starts/end.
Love the arrangement of Settings - three sensible tabs, not one long list.
ICS b4r1: (using it now) Love the new mail and browser apps. Browser comes with built-in sync of booths with Chrome.
Like the clean theme of the UI, in fact after seeing it, I installed the ICS themes for Go Launcher and CM. Can't wait for CM 9 to come out as it will combine all the goodness of CM with ICS.
Flaws: lots of them, but it IS just a beta.
Virtuous (unity 2.39) and Endymion 3.1: both of these are HTC Sense 3.0/5 ROMs. Beautiful look and feel - better than all other ROMs. Flawless FM radio. Great widgets.
Syncing with Exchange works well. Note, troubles syncing with Exchange calendar was the reason I went looking at other ROMs in the first place.
Dislike: not enough space on a window, so I use Go Launcher Ex. But this means I can no longer use the HTC widgets. And this is why I don't get the benefit of staying on an HTC Sense ROM.
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Nice overview!
Personally, I'm mainly a Sense man, so i stick with Endymion as my daily driver.
I used MIUI for a bit, and agree with you about the settings arrangement.
Never really understood the hype for ICS, but when I tried it yesterday, I was blown away!
It's awesome! I think I could finally live with a AOSP ROM!
ICS is very consistent and clean.
I like CM7 purely for its endless advanced settings.
So I agree; CM9 will be so frickin' awesome!
Great thread man!
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I have tried my fair share of roms.
I liked oxygen as it was pure aosp clean and quick. But it just wasn't fancy enough for me.
Tried most sense roms but I can't put my finger on why I can't stick with them. Suppose its just to normal and what's supposed to be on my phone.
Cm7 was good quick and fully functional I liked it a lot.
I'm on miui 1.11.25 at mo as had some issues with latest builds. Miui is what I always seem to stick with. Like you said settings menu is good. I'm addicted to changing the way my phone looks daily ( sad I know).
Haven't tried ics yet waiting for it to be fully functional before I do incase it taints my experience of it, but it all sounds good so far seems the egl issue has slowed progress down alot hope they fix it soon.
For now though I'll stick with miui but I'm getting itchy fingers again may have to change, maybe I'll give sense another chance
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I've tried CM7, then LBC Mod, then Hyperion...for me I would say Hyperion is my favorite ROM as I have not installed other ROM for the past one months...hehe...before this constantly changing ROM...love android!!
ICS is the best really! Looks so nice
CM7
I have only tried CM7, looks good!
During my "investigation" of the various roms, I ran the Quadrant Standard test. CM was the fastest, closely followed by MIUI. The stock HTC ROM fared the worst.
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I'm happy to trade quadrant performance for the look and feel of endymion its really outstanding
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I think it's great that there are all sorts of different roms available, because we are all different and value different things.
I'm coming to value and appreciate the openness of Android, not to mention the brilliant work done by all the developers of the roms.
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Sure
But remember Quadrant scores do not reflect the true capability of the phones speed
For one, I can't tell the speed difference between CM7 and MIUI
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Do you mean that the user interface feels smoother and more responsive in CM than MIUI or are you thinking of something else?
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BillGoss said:
Do you mean that the user interface feels smoother and more responsive in CM than MIUI or are you thinking of something else?
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Nope
Apologies, in my previous post i was meant to say I CAN'T tell the speed difference between MIUI and CM7.
I'm saying Quadrant Scores don't do justice of actual phone performance.
For me even though CM7 scores a giver score than MIUI, doesn't mean its faster
I tested both, and speed feels the same!
Also for e.g, Hyperion ROM scores 2500+ points, whereas Endymion scores only 2000+ points.
But in use, Endymion is MUCH faster and smoother, (as HTC optimised sense 3.5 better for single core)
Hope that clarifies - don't always truest quadrant!
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I agree that user perception does not necessarily correlate with performance scores. I never felt that the stock HTC ROM was slow, yet it had poor Quadrant scores, mostly due to the database I/O section.
The performance scores simply give an objective assessment of *some* of the system's behaviour.
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BillGoss said:
I agree that user perception does not necessarily correlate with performance scores. I never felt that the stock HTC ROM was slow, yet it had poor Quadrant scores, mostly due to the database I/O section.
The performance scores simply give an objective assessment of *some* of the system's behaviour.
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Yeah!
The stock 3.0 sense ROM quadrant is around 1900+, whereas the stock 2.1 is only 1000+
But I'm real performance, sense 2.1 is much faster and smoother than sense 3.0!
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I don't see point of quadrant scores. I'm not bothered how quick my phone performs pointless tests but how good it feels when I use it. A good rom is far more personal then a bunch of scores. For me its about settings and customization so I like to use miui. Its all personal choice
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ICS is nice, will be the muttz nuttz when it all works
I have a one newbie question...
If you try some new ROM youre data was lost? All youre application and all data on phone?
Only if you don't back them up! I use Titanium Backup (available on Market) to take copies if all my apps and their data.
I also use 4EXT Touch (used to use Clockwork Mod ROM manager, also available on Market) to take a full copy of my current system before I install a new one.
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rcmix 3d 4.0 is the best till rcmix ice with sense 4.0 online

[Q] htc sensation speed

Hey guys. After having owned the sensation for four months I just want to know why it is so much slower than the sgs2. Even when I overclocked my processors to 1.7ghz it was still noticeably slower than my friend's sgs2. No we did not use speedtests we did just usual tests like browser. Why is the sensation so bad for a 'dualcore phone '.?
what rom are you on. I have yet to have this problem even on stock
Currently cyanogenmod but ik its the rom. I was just wandering why the phone is so much slower than the sgs2
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I got both phones, and is the opposite
I fell sensation smoother than s2
On stock sensation was slower, on cyanogen was a disaster..
Now i'm on ICS sense and is flying, much much better than s2
Really? You found cyanogenmod slow? Could you please tell me which ics rom you were using to achieve the speed
oh well ever since i updated to ics and new firmware this phone has went wild with speed lol
So I'll.have to restore to stock?
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So I'll.have to restore to stock?
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For speed you MUST try a ICS rom! Just upgrade to .24 firmware and flash any ics rom, you will get a uber speed..!! And consider they are only at beta-test stage..
Make sure u do a full wipe with mikes superwipe script before flashing ics roms. U need to flash the 3.24 fw in bootloader. Its ez stuff
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My sister owns a SGS2, so I can make a direct comparison as well.
I'm running Android 4.0.3, Sense 3.6, ARHD 6.2.1, O/C Kernel @ 1.5Ghz.
The Sensation is FLYING - SGS2 ain't got nothing on the speed of a rooted Sensation. My sister even complained to me why my phone runs a lot smoother and faster AND even has the nicer animations from HTC Sense.
I can only imagine that if you were to run a Senseless ROM, the speed would increase even more.
We were pretty much running the same apps in the background and just switched between them, did a couple of browser and market tests and the Sensation came way ahead - again, that's with HTC Sense and my phone was even running a couple more widgets. (PowerAmp, Astrid etc.)
So maybe for the complete stock versions that might be different, but running a Senseless ROM on this phone should give you the smoothest experience that you can expect from a smartphone. The only thing stopping it might be badly coded apps.
I am running HyperSensation Version 1.6, based on CM7 and the phone zips through just about everything, and I have actually underclocked the processor down to 1026mhz.
Haven't tried any of the ICS ROMS yet to compare, but personally I'm not a big fan of Sense. Maybe 4.0 will win me over.
Flash beastmod. It fully stabke and fast as s2
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So no sense roms?can anybody tell which is that fastest out of them as well. Currently I have virtuous Inquisition and cyanogenmod
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Hey guys. After having owned the sensation for four months I just want to know why it is so much slower than the sgs2. Even when I overclocked my processors to 1.7ghz it was still noticeably slower than my friend's sgs2. No we did not use speedtests we did just usual tests like browser. Why is the sensation so bad for a 'dualcore phone '.?
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Ok, well here is a CF bench speedtest. Apparently something isn't right with your phone. I would suggest a full wipe, install ROM, then 1.73 kernel and re-compare...

Official MIUI V4 for HTC One S is coming soon!

Source: http://a.pytt.nl/miui-one-s
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Seems MIUI is working on getting their new version working on the HTC One S! They say testing by the Beta Team will start soon!
Looks like it includes the original HTC Camera App? (unless that's like that in very MIUI V4?)
Who's thinking of using this instead of Sense or AOSP, when it's released?
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This is great news!
I will try it, if it fast like the AOSP, becuase now i have some data connection problems...
And i like the HTC Camera..
VERY nice, finally with a working Camera.
Im probably gonna switch over to MIUI, since I prefer to customize the UI the way I want to make my device even more unique :-3
The HTC camera its a pretty good thing! I'll totally give it a shot!
It will be better with a sense base. Cm and aokp are just not stable enough to use as a base.for the sensation they used a sense base as well and it worked perfect
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I'm glad to see One S users will have a choice. When this becomes official MIUI.us will release both, as I will be continuing my CM9 based port. The different ROMS will have different advantages over the other. I've never actually used one of these sense-based roms but some of the complaints have been file size and theme compatibility. But like I said we will release both versions just like we currently do with the Sensation.
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I'm glad to see One S users will have a choice. When this becomes official MIUI.us will release both, as I will be continuing my CM9 based port. The different ROMS will have different advantages over the other. I've never actually used one of these sense-based roms but some of the complaints have been file size and theme compatibility. But like I said we will release both versions just like we currently do with the Sensation.
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Theme compatability is a big issue phone and camera and other frameworks don't theme cause of the sense framework. So it depends if u want a themable cm9 version with bugs. Or a non themable version with no bugs. Its a tough choice.
But the sense version didn't seem to loose any speed compared to the cm9 counterpart at least on the sensation
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I loved MIUI on my G2x, but I've been hesitating to root my HOS solely because of the camera. If they keep it in the official Rom I will puke rainbows and root faster than Usain Bolt can run 100 meters.
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I've used miui for the mt4g for a long time before switching over to the One S but I'll wait to see how well they do with it, I can handle not themeing certain things as long as everything is working properly .
Holy hell.
There working on the Sense 4.0 4.0.3 base..
This will be EPIC.
Does this mean we are gonna have multilingual support? Or just English like before?
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Who's hoping for this tomorrow (fridays being miui update day)
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Better than leedroid supreme v2.1?
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k1llacanon said:
Better than leedroid supreme v2.1?
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I don't really think you can compare the two. Quite different. I love Leedroids ROM.
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Phantom Pt. II said:
I love Leedroids ROM.
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I'm hoping I will. I was on MIUI 2.6.15, and loved it, until that recent radio issue. A phone is no good when it gets no reception.
I'm going to try Leedroid tonight.
ExDelayed said:
I'm hoping I will. I was on MIUI 2.6.15, and loved it, until that recent radio issue. A phone is no good when it gets no reception.
I'm going to try Leedroid tonight.
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There's a temp fix for the radio issue posted towards the end of my thread. Once they figure it out I am updating the base.
MIUI v4 always based on stock roms, thats why htc´s camera is working on MIUI too.
Actually i am in the closed beta team from miui and waiting for the first version for testing all that ****. :good:
@luddeblaesild Multilanguage is planned for future releases.
Oh my gosh. That's amazing news, I really like MIUI, but i stayed with leedroid only bc of the camera
Fyi miui.us has the English version posted on their home page...like I said I'm continuing using my port but would like to hear some feedback on it. I'll be posting an official thread on MIUI.us a little later today
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