is there a way to flash stock recovery without using odin? i dont want my counter to get trip. is it possible to flash the stock recovery with CWM?
From what I understand only flashing a kernel or non-stock rom with ODIN will trigger the counter.
Flashing a recovery with ODIN isn't supposed to trip it. I haven't done it so I am just telling you what I have read.
daystrom said:
From what I understand only flashing a kernel or non-stock rom with ODIN will trigger the counter.
Flashing a recovery with ODIN isn't supposed to trip it. I haven't done it so I am just telling you what I have read.
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No even flashing CWM with odin will trip the counter, flashing anything through download mode will. The counter doesn't prove anything. All it says if you flashed manually instead of through Kies. But downloading stock isn't against warranty. Since it doesn't list what you flashed only that you did a manual flash if you do need to take into Samsung then just tell them till your blue in the face that you only flashed stock. They can't prove otherwise. They will need to service you. Just make sure you've taken root off and CWM off as well.
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No even flashing CWM with odin will trip the counter, flashing anything through download mode will. The counter doesn't prove anything. All it says if you flashed manually instead of through Kies. But downloading stock isn't against warranty. Since it doesn't list what you flashed only that you did a manual flash if you do need to take into Samsung then just tell them till your blue in the face that you only flashed stock. They can't prove otherwise. They will need to service you. Just make sure you've taken root off and CWM off as well.
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Good point. So how about flashing CWM via ROM Manager... then flash zip ROMs/Kernels via CWM... will that trip the counter?
Why does this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1340526
specifically say it will NOT trigger the counter?
ROOT THE AT&T SGH-I727 AND SGH-I727R SKYROCKET
This procedure does not trigger the Flash Counter, no ! yellow triangle at boot!!!
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I'm really confused.
I have not rooted my Skyrocket yet but am itching to do so.
I'm confused about the ROM counter and yellow ! symbol. From what I understand the ! symbol and counter increases when you flash a non-stock ROM using ODIN.
This thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1340526 claims that flashing the recovery partition to CWM will not increment the counter. From there you can install superuser and ROMS through CWM and be safe from the counter.
However this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342348 says that flashing back to a stock AT&T ROM and even installing CWM using ODIN will increment the counter (see my post starting at #98) contradicting what the other thread says.
I'm moving this discussion here to avoid plugging up the Developers section.
Can someone please clear this up before I trip the counter?
Thanks!
Todd
The counter is going to trip so .. just dont worry about it
OP... are you on 2.3.5 or 2.3.6? I rooted my stock 2.3.5 with SuperOneClick 2.2, then did the OTA 2.3.6 update and retained root... and my counter did not trip. If on 2.3.5, SuperOneClick 2.2 should still work... then take the OTA 2.3.6 update.
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DoctorQMM said:
OP... are you on 2.3.5 or 2.3.6? I rooted my stock 2.3.5 with SuperOneClick 2.2, then did the OTA 2.3.6 update and retained root... and my counter did not trip. If on 2.3.5, SuperOneClick 2.2 should still work... then take the OTA 2.3.6 update.
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Any thoughts on rooting 2.3.6? Mine updated as soon as it came out, and now the SuperOneClick didn't seem to work... I too am an Android noob, but trying to learn. Thanks to all out here on the forums!
Yes you have to use this.method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1340526....but its going to trip the counter. But i say who cares
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Yes you have to use this.method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1340526....but its going to trip the counter. But i say who cares
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That thread specifically says it will NOT trigger the counter. That's why I am confused.
and i'm at 2.3.6, updated as soon as I powered on.
Yeah but it does ive used it mine was triggerd. And yeah like i said if your on 2.3.6 use thay method
counter?
Noobin to the enth degree brethren!!! What the heck is the "counter"? Please endulge my vanilla mind and to tell....
grhand82 said:
Noobin to the enth degree brethren!!! What the heck is the "counter"? Please endulge my vanilla mind and to tell....
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Every time you flash a non-stock rom, a counter increments. Supposedly it is there so your carrier or Samsung techs can deny warranty claims if they see you have modified it.
The thread I referenced above isn't supposed to increment this counter as you are flashing the recovery partition, not the actual ROM.
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That thread specifically says it will NOT trigger the counter. That's why I am confused.
and i'm at 2.3.6, updated as soon as I powered on.
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I used that method to root my 2.3.6 phone and it DID NOT trip the counter. I tried DooMLoRD's method and it didn't work on 2.3.6.
Just FYI though - My phone did a couple sleep deaths (where it would power off without warning while sitting idle). I had that problem with my Captivate and was not about to deal with it again on this phone. It also crashed and rebooted a couple times for no apparent reason during normal use.
Un-Rooting and returning to stock before exchange (still within the 30 days) was a total PITA!
Wound up having to do a factory reset a couple times and used odin to this put this stock recovery back in to remove CWM and root.
After all that trouble they didnt even look at the phone at the store, they just gave me a replacement.
I haven't updated to 2.3.6. on the replacement yet. I used this method to root my phone while still at 2.3.5 and it worked - full auto - one click as advertised. LOL!
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I though the counter only tripped if you flashed a non stock KERNEL with ODIN.
I thought flashing custom ROMS via CWM recovery, not ODIN, did not trip counter.
Ginther,
Thanks for the info. That was informative.
Another question to anyone -
From what I have read, some say flashing any rom/kernal via ODIN will trip this counter (?)
If I wanted to return to a stock, non-rooted ROM and not trip the counter would this process work:
1. Download a stock flashable zipped up rom to the sdcard
2. Flash the stock rom using CWM
3. Install the stock recovery using ODIN
The "[MOD] ROOT | CWM | ODIN | SGH-I727 and SGH-I727R Skyrocket" post here claims flashing just the recovery will not trip the counter.
Thanks for any insight! I don't know why I fear the counter so much
Can anyone answer my post above ^^^^?
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Ginther,
Thanks for the info. That was informative.
Another question to anyone -
From what I have read, some say flashing any rom/kernal via ODIN will trip this counter (?)
If I wanted to return to a stock, non-rooted ROM and not trip the counter would this process work:
1. Download a stock flashable zipped up rom to the sdcard
2. Flash the stock rom using CWM
3. Install the stock recovery using ODIN
The "[MOD] ROOT | CWM | ODIN | SGH-I727 and SGH-I727R Skyrocket" post here claims flashing just the recovery will not trip the counter.
Thanks for any insight! I don't know why I fear the counter so much
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Can anyone answer my post above ^^^^?
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Those steps should work to get you back to a stockish form (2.3.5 would be box stock) without root. Whether or not that'll trip the counter I cant say for sure.
When I used ODIN to put the stock recovery listed above back in place - thus removing CWM recovery and root - it DID NOT trip the counter on my phone.
But it seems that some of these phones have different minds of their own so your mileage may vary... so attempt at your own risk.
I had a question about installing an OTA like 2.3.6 does this reset the counter? If so would it work to, use odin to flash and older Stock ROM then update via OTA, Kies, etc... thus allowing this process to reset the counter?
daystrom said:
Ginther,
Thanks for the info. That was informative.
Another question to anyone -
From what I have read, some say flashing any rom/kernal via ODIN will trip this counter (?)
If I wanted to return to a stock, non-rooted ROM and not trip the counter would this process work:
1. Download a stock flashable zipped up rom to the sdcard
2. Flash the stock rom using CWM
3. Install the stock recovery using ODIN
The "[MOD] ROOT | CWM | ODIN | SGH-I727 and SGH-I727R Skyrocket" post here claims flashing just the recovery will not trip the counter.
Thanks for any insight! I don't know why I fear the counter so much
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My experience is:
1. Flashing a Samsung 'official' stock ROM via ODIN will not trip the flash counter and will result in 'SAMSUNG OFFICIAL' being displayed on the download screen.
The only 'official' I-727 ROM I've found was UCKJ2 from: http://www.sammobile.com/firmware/?page=3&t=1&o=1&m=SGH-I727&r=5#regiona
Extract the HOME_SGH-I727user_CL626051_REV02.tar.md5 from the zip file and flash it with ODIN, you'll be back to stock, un-rooted, official UCJK2.
2. Flashing a non-official stock ROM via ODIN will trip the flash counter and result in 'CUSTOM' being displayed on the download screen.
The ROM flash that tripped my counter: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342348
3. Flashing anything with ODIN (official or custom built-- system, recovery, modems) that doesn't contain a kernel (boot.img) will not trip the flash counter. I've flashed the stock recovery in ODIN a number of times and it hasn't tripped the counter.
But as other's have stated, why worry about it? I've returned phones to AT&T and the folks in the store didn't have a clue about checking the flash counter.
cschmitt said:
My experience is:
1. Flashing a Samsung 'official' stock ROM via ODIN will not trip the flash counter and will result in 'SAMSUNG OFFICIAL' being displayed on the download screen.
The only 'official' I-727 ROM I've found was UCKJ2 from: http://www.sammobile.com/firmware/?page=3&t=1&o=1&m=SGH-I727&r=5#regiona
Extract the HOME_SGH-I727user_CL626051_REV02.tar.md5 from the zip file and flash it with ODIN, you'll be back to stock, un-rooted, official UCJK2.
2. Flashing a non-official stock ROM via ODIN will trip the flash counter and result in 'CUSTOM' being displayed on the download screen.
The ROM flash that tripped my counter: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342348
3. Flashing anything with ODIN (official or custom built-- system, recovery, modems) that doesn't contain a kernel (boot.img) will not trip the flash counter. I've flashed the stock recovery in ODIN a number of times and it hasn't tripped the counter.
But as other's have stated, why worry about it? I've returned phones to AT&T and the folks in the store didn't have a clue about checking the flash counter.
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I was going to ask about all of that and you have answered my questions. Thank you so much!
Sorry people im new to Samsung and got a question... i used odin to flash CWM to my girls skyrocket... im pretty sure like nvflash i only have to do that one time... but anyways... ive heard that it counts the times that you've flashed something to the phone... if i only use CWM to flash rom's etc does the phone or odin still count those... or does odin only count the flashes when i use odin to flash something...?? sorry guyz im use to fastboot and nvflash new to the whole odin thing...although my next phone may be a samsung.. thanks for any help in advance....
Yes odin Only triggers flash counter When you use it!!!!!! For me i never used Odin so my cusom binary dLoad says No!!!!!!
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Sorry people im new to Samsung and got a question... i used odin to flash CWM to my girls skyrocket... im pretty sure like nvflash i only have to do that one time... but anyways... ive heard that it counts the times that you've flashed something to the phone... if i only use CWM to flash rom's etc does the phone or odin still count those... or does odin only count the flashes when i use odin to flash something...?? sorry guyz im use to fastboot and nvflash new to the whole odin thing...although my next phone may be a samsung.. thanks for any help in advance....
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ive flashed roms many times and i've always resorted to stock rom because its the most stable, the only times the flash counter was triggered is when i flashed back to stock. Is there a way to reset the flash counter, not that i care because if my phone break or need warranty, i dont send to for repair, rogers send me a new phone and i put the broken one in the box and send it back to them. but if ive ever had to, how can i reset flash counter?
it only gets triggered when you flash KERNEL in odin/heimdall, NOT just flashing recovery or /system.
CWM will never trigger the flash counter, period, no matter what you flash in CWM
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Yes odin Only triggers flash counter When you use it!!!!!! For me i never used Odin so my cusom binary dLoad says No!!!!!!
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He's asking if cwm will trip the counter in odin. It will not. I flash 3e and cwm back n forth for clean wipes before I switch roms and I'm still showing NO. Flashing a rom will from what I've read.
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ive flashed roms many times and i've always resorted to stock rom because its the most stable, the only times the flash counter was triggered is when i flashed back to stock. Is there a way to reset the flash counter, not that i care because if my phone break or need warranty, i dont send to for repair, rogers send me a new phone and i put the broken one in the box and send it back to them. but if ive ever had to, how can i reset flash counter?
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You can't.
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Silly question, but why do developers package ROMS for ODIN and not CWM? Is it a lot more work? For instance, I cannot find Rogers stock ROM for CWM.
.......the tars can for one take you back too 100 percent stock. And 2 if ur soft brickd ...and your phone wont even boot to cwm. Odin is your only answer. The tars get you back to stock recovery also
Is there a "pure stock" CWM flashable ROM? I'm returning my Skyrocket and am hesitant to Odin it just for the continual discussion of the counter...
That said, all I really need to do is get pure stock rom back on it, and then flash stock recovery as a last step with CWM..
Any one know if something like this exists?
Frankly, no
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Is there a "pure stock" CWM flashable ROM? I'm returning my Skyrocket and am hesitant to Odin it just for the continual discussion of the counter...
That said, all I really need to do is get pure stock rom back on it, and then flash stock recovery as a last step with CWM..
Any one know if something like this exists?
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I'm not sure it would be possible to flash stock revovery with CWM when the stock recovery you are flashing (3e) is replacing cwm. I'm pretty sure that is why stock recovery is flashed via Odin.
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Is there a "pure stock" CWM flashable ROM? I'm returning my Skyrocket and am hesitant to Odin it just for the continual discussion of the counter...
That said, all I really need to do is get pure stock rom back on it, and then flash stock recovery as a last step with CWM..
Any one know if something like this exists?
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You can flash the stock 2.3.6 KK1 rom/kernel taken from the ATT OTA back in November via CWM... completely stock but is rooted... then use Odin to flash the stock 3e Recovery partition. Flashing recovery partition via odin does not trip the custom binary flash counter... I've done it multiple times and my counter is still "No" (i.e., zero). Then you'll have stock rom, kernel, and 3e recovery... just need to unroot. Flashing a kernel (boot.img) via odin will trip the counter.
I'm going to have my phone exchanged so I need to return to stock.
I read the "fix soft brick, return to stock" thread and did what it said.
Right now I'm on stock 2.3.6 (updated through OTA) and unrooted.
BUT my counter was triggered...
I guess I can root it again to install CWM and flash the zip to reset the counter, but that way I'll be back to the beginning...
What's the best way to fix this situation?
u don't need to root to flash cwm. Read the Odin thread and flash the 5.0.2.6 tar, then you'll be unrooted with cwm. Flash the counter reset and then Odin back ONLY STOCK RECOVERY. If u Odin back the whole image, the counter will trip again
How can I remove ClockWorkMod from n8000?
Flash stock recovery with Odin software on PC
There is a thread im dev area with stock recovery kernel
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How can I remove ClockWorkMod from n8000?
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There's a TWRP recovery that works. I couldn't get CWM to backup. Have successfully backed up and restored via TWRP
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If my research is correct flashing CWM trips the binary counter and creates the little triangle. (correct me if im wrong)
if one flashes stock recovery again does the binary counter revert back and remove the triangle?
No, you need to install triangle away while the device is rooted, run this then the flash counter will be reset. Triangle away will install a kernel on to reset the flash counter, there's a warning that this might brick your device (so might flashing with ODIN, flashing with CWM but you've done that already) but just go ahead and continue. I know it works with an N8000 as I have done it countless times...
Flash a stock rom after this and system will be stock, status : normal and 0 flash count...