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I was surfing thru gameloft website and notice that there are alot of new games for android ~
Most of it (if not all) are ported from iphone.
I tried searching for more info regarding these games from most android webbys but to no avail. All that came up was Asphalt 5 ~
List of new games available such as:
-N.O.V.A. [Near Orbit Vanguard Alliance]
-Real Soccer 2010
-Tom Clancy's HAWX
-Assassin Creed
-Modern Combat: Sandstorm
-few others
Just hit up this link for more.
I am hoping someone will do a video review on these games. Wonder it will run well on nexus ~
They certainly look impressive.
Unfortunately Gameloft tend to just port the iphone versions which means poorly optimised code and rubbish performance despite being on a more powerful device
They recently updated zenonia which is sooo smooth now.
prophetjinn said:
They recently updated zenonia which is sooo smooth now.
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hmm... i thought Zenonia is from Gamevil but not Gameloft?
This is true lol i forget sorry! =P
Come to think of it, i don't even have a gameloft game on my phone, i had origan trail at some point. lol.
i am extremely dissatisfied and choose to boycott Gameloft for the same reason as mentioned by one poster above.
to the present day Asphalt 5 runs extremely laggy on Nexus One, hundreds of posters have pointed it out but the devs have to the present day not managed to chunk out one single update.. and that for a $6.99 game.
sucks
I'm just hanging out for a decent soccer game.
Bring on RF 2010... And modern combat! Graphics look amazing.
Hopefully Asphalt was just a test in Android waters when it comes to 3d games. They better get it right this time around.
EDIT: Just went to buy Modern Combat: Sandstorm for $4.99. After entering that I have a HTC Google Nexus One, I get a message saying:
"Sorry, Modern Combat: Sandstorm HD+ is not available for your phone at the moment"
However Real Football is available to buy (im pretty sure). I can get to the checkout stage, but I don't think i'll buy it yet.
Hopefully they are on the market soon...
Forge94 said:
I'm just hanging out for a decent soccer game.
Bring on RF 2010... And modern combat! Graphics look amazing.
Hopefully Asphalt was just a test in Android waters when it comes to 3d games. They better get it right this time around.
EDIT: Just went to buy Modern Combat: Sandstorm for $4.99. After entering that I have a HTC Google Nexus One, I get a message saying:
"Sorry, Modern Combat: Sandstorm HD+ is not available for your phone at the moment"
However Real Football is available to buy (im pretty sure). I can get to the checkout stage, but I don't think i'll buy it yet.
Hopefully they are on the market soon...
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if you downloaded HD+ isn't that the iPad version?
I was sure I was browsing android games, because there was a picture of a Nexus One with an embedded video playing inside it.
I clicked Buy Now straight under it.
Not sure why MCS isn't working and Real Football is...
prophetjinn said:
This is true lol i forget sorry! =P
Come to think of it, i don't even have a gameloft game on my phone, i had origan trail at some point. lol.
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Were you really laughing out loud while you wrote that? I doubt it.
Ontopic, it's good that Gameloft at least does something for Android. Some guy at Gameloft complained some time ago about the difficulties of making money on Android software. I guess he saw that Android is kicking every other platform's butt, and they want in on the world domination.
I went to buy Gangstar and Modern Combat and entered my number and it said I'll receive a text shortly with download link. been 9 hrs. still no text .
mcp2009 said:
I went to buy Gangstar and Modern Combat and entered my number and it said I'll receive a text shortly with download link. been 9 hrs. still no text .
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maybe you can drop them an email or call for support.
Is Asphalt 5 on the link given in the opening post, the same 'laggy' version we all have? Asking because when I click on buy now, I see the name "Asphalt 5 HD+".. Is it different?
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Is Asphalt 5 on the link given in the opening post, the same 'laggy' version we all have? Asking because when I click on buy now, I see the name "Asphalt 5 HD+".. Is it different?
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I have no idea bro. The info on the web itself is vague. They should at least list the version number.
mcp2009 said:
I went to buy Gangstar and Modern Combat and entered my number and it said I'll receive a text shortly with download link. been 9 hrs. still no text .
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Same here.. no links came to my phone
I want that golf game!
3D GAMELOFT GAMES!!! Android gaming is taking off!
http://www.gameloft.com/smartphone/gangstar-west-coast-hustle/
http://www.gameloft.com/smartphone/hero-of-sparta/
http://www.gameloft.com/smartphone/assassins-creed/
and more just click on android
for some reason theyre not in the market thats weird
Any game where the directional pad is on the same axis as the buttons will be an exercise in futility most likely for us Nexus One users.
wow, they look sweet!
Ive had andoid devices for a few years now and ive never paid much attention to games. But now that that i have a giant screen and a fast vr chip...
So far ive tried only Angry Birds, which is just awesome on the tab, and Shortyz Crosswords, which i cannot live without.
What plays well at full resolution?
Have you tried Dungeon Hunter? I'm very interested in seeing how that runs on the tab. Unfortunately I do not have a Galaxy Tab yet so I can't help you pick out more games though
games working on the tab - full screen
1) Air control
2) bebbled
3) Homerun battle
4) angry birds
5) vegas
these are the games i play and working well on full screen
real blackjack
solitaire free pack
backgamon free
buble burst free
those run ok
Nice lists, keep em coming!
On a sadder note, gameloft wont let me by any Dungeon Hunter HD - keeps saying both galaxy s ant tab are unsupported. Which is strange because there's a YouTube promo advertising the nd lineup for the tab...
Kumpa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tPyXlYazBg
ftgg99 said:
Nice lists, keep em coming!
On a sadder note, gameloft wont let me by any Dungeon Hunter HD - keeps saying both galaxy s ant tab are unsupported. Which is strange because there's a YouTube promo advertising the nd lineup for the tab...
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eh, what? Galaxy S unsupported...? What are they drinking? I mean, eh, I actually *have* that thing running (smoothly) on my Galaxy S and I don't just mean the free version, I bought the full game. Seems kinda weird if they now say SGS is unsupported...?
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eh, what? Galaxy S unsupported...? What are they drinking? I mean, eh, I actually *have* that thing running (smoothly) on my Galaxy S and I don't just mean the free version, I bought the full game. Seems kinda weird if they now say SGS is unsupported...?
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I have it on my Fascinate and it runs great, I was just wondering how it scaled with the tab... disconcerting to hear something like that to say the least.
Anyone knows how to get Storm8 games working on the Tab?
It messes up something in the login procedure with user/password.
Works in fullscreen:
Frodo 64
Zelda Lite
Air Controli Lite
Mahjong Fullscreen but tiles are in the top of the screen in the menu isntead of centering.
Works but NOT Fullscreen:
Pac man chamionship comes in upper left corner
Pong 2/3 size in center
Robo defense 2/3 in center
Speed forge 3d 2/3 in center
Solitaire 2/3 in center
Minesweeper for Android 2/3 in center
Reversi 2/3 in center
m.kongregate.com has a over 100 fullscreen enabled flash games. I've been on it all day.
Thanh God for fullscreen flash!
ftgg99 said:
m.kongregate.com has a over 100 fullscreen enabled flash games. I've been on it all day.
Thanh God for fullscreen flash!
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That is indeed quite awesome. Thanks for the hint.
Rapax said:
That is indeed quite awesome. Thanks for the hint.
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Try this one and see how it runs, very addictive: http://mikengreg.com/solipskier/
InfeCCt ftw... can't beloved I never heard of it before today. Now my favorite puzzler for android.
I've been having lots of fun with 'Star Traders RPG'.
Anyone tried the playstation emulator?
Would love to play Final Fantasy VII again.
Tried it myself yesterday and it doesn't seem to be fullscreen. That's to bad :/
Can anyone comment on how Fruit Ninja performs on the Tab??
Thanks.
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Yep. It works flawlessly
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Does the tab have proper multi touch like the Ipad? 3 or more finger's at any one time?
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C64c said:
Does the tab have proper multi touch like the Ipad? 3 or more finger's at any one time?
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True 5 point multitouch
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full screen games
Andry Birds
Asphalt 5
Farm Frenzy
Fruit Ninja
GOdroid
infeCCt
Jewellust
KUMPA
Labyrinth
Lets Golf!
Live Holdem
Nova
Paper Toss
Robo Defense
Talking Tom
Winds of Steel
Алхимия
A galactic Nvidia Tegra™ optimized trek of space battles,weird aliens & romance!
Galaxy on Fire 2™ THD, the critically acclaimed and multi award-winning outer space epos for mobile devices, has been heavily optimized to utilize the eight core rendering power of Tegra’s GeForce GPU, bringing console-gaming quality to mobile devices.
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https://market.android.com/details?id=net.fishlabs.GalaxyonFire2THD
Free. Get it
Looks sweet. Downloading right now.
ty. ive been waiting to check this one out. reminds me of mass effect...loved that game.
Absolutely amazing. This is what I was expecting of tetra. Beautiful graphics and seems like a real game. Set the graphics to high and its still silky smooth, but I am overclocked to 1.6
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How much can you play before having to pay 15 bucks to get the full game?
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I get the feeling we are being drawn into it and then asked for cash. Looks like a nice game on the TF screen. I had assumed this was a multiplayer online game to start off with. Feels a bit like Dark Prophecy.
SN4K3B1T3 said:
How much can you play before having to pay 15 bucks to get the full game?
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SPACE ADVENTURE WITHOUT RISK
The current reference title in the Sci-Fi genre is available free to download from the Tegra™ Zone app on the Android Market and can be played for unlimited time offering full functionality within the first solar system. To access the whole galaxy with over 20 solar systems and to complete the six to ten hours, fully voice acted storyline, you have to unlock the game via in-app purchase for $ 14.99 / € 11,99 / £ 8.99.
Edit: Updated OP post for "1 solar"
Is it me or does it run kinda bad? (medium details).
I'm running the game on the highest settings and it plays perfectly. Played for about an hour and really like it. Will consider getting the full game if it continues to be compelling.
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I'm running the game on the highest settings and it plays perfectly. Played for about an hour and really like it. Will consider getting the full game if it continues to be compelling.
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Overclocked or stock?
Im getting huge framedrops on high , even on medium. 3.1 Stock
Everything stock and running it on High. Very smooth and I'm very impressed. It is rather pricey though.
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Everything stock and running it on High. Very smooth and I'm very impressed. It is rather pricey though.
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+1 stock here and nice and smooth on high settings
Good looking game and like above running fine on high (I'm @ 1.6Ghz tho) - At work so haven't had a proper play but will do over the weekend.
Wow, thanks for posting. Maybe making a sticky/corner for quality apps that are free?
Hello,
I've installed it too on a stock "non-overclocked" TF.
It works very nice in full details.
I also tried it some weeks ago on an iPad.
Graphics were quite "old-fashioned" on the iPad.
I'm pretty impressed to see bumped textures, etc...
Great.
done ....was waiting for it
damn, what makes this worth $5 more than the ipad version?
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SPACE ADVENTURE WITHOUT RISK
The current reference title in the Sci-Fi genre is available free to download from the Tegra™ Zone app on the Android Market and can be played for unlimited time offering full functionality within the first solar system. To access the whole galaxy with over 20 solar systems and to complete the six to ten hours, fully voice acted storyline, you have to unlock the game via in-app purchase for $ 14.99 / € 11,99 / £ 8.99.
Edit: Updated OP post for "1 solar"
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I guess i am done with the free part. I play on all high on g2x. runs perfect. but how do i get back in the first solar system?
I think it's awesome, and I don't think the price is unfair considering I would pay a quid or 2 for games normally, whereas this has awesome graphics and a lot of gameplay and clearly would have taken a lot more time/money to develop than the average game. As such I'm gonna pay for it, it's my kind of game
Just to warn people though, if you want to try it out for a decent amount of time then just do freelance missions and stuff, it turns out that if you follow the story mode then you end up in another solar system pretty soon and you can't get back to the first (which you can play for free), then you can't do anything unless you pay.
anyone have trouble launching the game I finished downloading the assests on my eeepad and now i just get a black screen when i launch
EDIT: Uninstall and deleted SD Card game assets and reinstall fixed my problem.
https://market.android.com/details?...yZWRfYXBwc19fXzFfcHJvbW9fMTMyMzE4NzA2MzA3MyJd
Daily apps for 10p for the next 10 days!
Day 10
Camera Zoom FX
Shine Runner
Puffle Launch
Talking Ben The Dog
Heavy Gunner 3D
Tilestorm HD
Hyper Jump
Majesty Fantasy Kingdom
Star Chart (again)
Sentinel 3 (again)
Apparatus (again)
Colour and Draw for Kids (again)
Day 9
SwiftKey X Keyboard (again)
ezPDF Reader
Tank Riders
Guns'n'Glory
COLLAPSE!
Icebreaker Hockey
DEER HUNTER 3D
ZENONIA®
MX Moto
Toddler Tapping Zoo
Sleepy Jack
Day 8
SketchBook Mobile (again)
Shazam Encore (again again)
SlideIT Keyboard (again)
Christmas HD (again)
HD Widgets
FlightTrack
Instant Heart Rate - Pro
Flick Golf! (again)
Where's My Water?
Train Conductor 2: USA
Day 7:
SoundHound (again)
Beautiful Widgets (again)
Doodle Jump
Flick Soccer!
Roll in the Hole
Flight Control
Blow Up
Block Breaker 3 Unlimited HD
Super KO Boxing 2
When I Get Bigger
Day 6:
Endomondo Sports Tracker PRO (again)
Great Little War Game (again)
SimCity™ Deluxe
Captain America
BackStab HD
Raging Thunder
Backbreaker Football
Jenga
Just Me and My Mom
Day5:
Apparatus
The Sims 3
SlideIt Keyboard
Snowfall Live Wallpaper
Asphalt 6 (again)
Season Zen HD
Pano
Drop7
Age of Zombies
Kids Connect The Dots
Day 4:
NFS: Shift
Shazam Encore
Paper Camera? (again?) (went back up, but now back down to 10p)
Sentinel 3: Homeworld
Game Dev Story
My Beach HD
Spirit HD
Farm Frenzy
Baseball Superstars® 2011
Jelly Defense
Day 3:
Blue Skies Donation Wallpaper
Homerun Battle 3D
Reckless Getaway
Talking Tom Cat 2
Kids Learn to Read (Prescho
ADWLauncher EX
Space Physics
Toki Tori
Can Knockdown 2
TETRIS®
Day 2:
Reckless Racing
Christmas HD
AirSync by doubleTwist
Flick Golf!
Beautiful Widgets
Read It Later Pro
Fruit Ninja
Star Chart
NFL Rivals
Bedtime Battle
Day 1:
Swiftkey:https://market.android.com/details?i...htype.swiftkey
Great Little War Game: https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result
Sketchbook Mobile: https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result
SoundHound: https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result
Asphalt 6: https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result
Fieldrunners HD: https://market.android.com/details?i...batomicstudios
Swiftkey: http://market.android.com/details?id...htype.swiftkey
Minecraft Pocket: https://market.android.com/details?i...=search_result
Endomondo SportsTracker Pro: https://market.android.com/details?i...do.android.pro
new apps every day for 10 days
I brought swiftkey a couple of weeks ago at full price
bought 5 of them today. i'll have to wait and see what's on discound the upcoming days
That one day when Google will add Paypal or any other easy payment methods...
Now I can just watch this week passing by, without 'buying' (because it's basically free), because I don't have a credit card...
OK chaps
today's apps have been updated!
Includes beautiful widgets for 10p!!
https://market.android.com/details?...d&purchaseButton=rfGLUqPILO3j_OwBZz1-V3vuk9Q=
i just brought beautiful widgets was 12p by the time I paid vat but still worth it
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Yep. To good to pass up. I have bought 5 so far.
There is actually 11 apps today. Reckless racing Play was added.
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I grabbed Reckless Racing. Can't play it. Their "data" servers are down. I wonder why ;p
Some awesome apps available. I've been purchasing them all so far. I may never use some of them but for 10c I really don't care.
Tried to buy Soundhound, it says 10c, but when i click buy it says 4.99USD
claus1953 said:
Tried to buy Soundhound, it says 10c, but when i click buy it says 4.99USD
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You must be using a old market. When you get ready to checkout, it will say 10c.
claus1953 said:
Tried to buy Soundhound, it says 10c, but when i click buy it says 4.99USD
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SoundHound is no longer on special.
Nucleotide said:
SoundHound is no longer on special.
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Hows this promo working? I thought the said apps stayed 10p until the 16th December?
Anyone know?
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Anon87 said:
Hows this promo working? I thought the said apps stayed 10p until the 16th December?
Anyone know?
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Everyday, for 10 days, there are 10 new apps for 10c - but they are only 10c for one day (24 hours). After that day, they go back to normal price.
dude its never gonna happen. Google wallet & paypal are competitors.
get an online CC.
got myself a 3card today and bought those apps...
http://www.creditcard-vergelijk.nl/creditcards/prepaid-creditcard/
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SoundHound is no longer on special.
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I downloaded Asphalt 6 and it worked for 10c, tried SoundHound and it still says 10c but when clicking continue it gets to the last window with the button "finalize your purchase" and there the amount is 4.99 USD, that is what confuses me. And i did the purchase and tried the second purchase in the web market not on device so it has nothing to do with old market version.
Adw Launcher EX has been added, just brought it, I had been meaning to for a while.
https://market.android.com/details?...sMSwxLG51bGwsIm9yZy5hZHdmcmVhay5sYXVuY2hlciJd
Day 3 deals are up!
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Anyone recommend some good games for serious gaming? I mostly play console games, but I'm wanting to take advantage of the awesome new hardware in my pocket with some good games. I don't mean things like Angry Birds and Temple Run and Fruit Ninja. Any advice?
flu13 said:
Anyone recommend some good games for serious gaming? I mostly play console games, but I'm wanting to take advantage of the awesome new hardware in my pocket with some good games. I don't mean things like Angry Birds and Temple Run and Fruit Ninja. Any advice?
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Usually when I wanna look for good/cool new apps or games I go on the Google Play store website on my home PC and use the various search functions on the Play site and can sit there for like a hour just looking at apps and reading reviews/descriptions hahaa.
Yeah, that's what I've tried and am trying to avoid. I can only see so many clones of Fruit Ninja before I want to punch myself.
flu13 said:
Anyone recommend some good games for serious gaming? I mostly play console games, but I'm wanting to take advantage of the awesome new hardware in my pocket with some good games. I don't mean things like Angry Birds and Temple Run and Fruit Ninja. Any advice?
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Doodle Bowling
j/k :silly:
Try Bladeslinger. Just FYI...some in game content requires purchase if you want to advance faster.
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Just FYI...some in game content requires purchase if you want to advance faster.
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Seems to be the way with everything anymore, doesn't it?
Just tell me this: Can I still advance, albeit slowly, without purchasing things? I hate those games where you get so far and you realize that you have no hope without dropping cash.
flu13 said:
Seems to be the way with everything anymore, doesn't it?
Just tell me this: Can I still advance, albeit slowly, without purchasing things? I hate those games where you get so far and you realize that you have no hope without dropping cash.
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According to others yes. Just takes longer to earn them. However I have not spent enough time with this game to know first hand.
papi try Red linerush is free.! and have a good feddback.!:highfive:
I ran across this a year or so and got hooked would play it pretty frequently
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.KelliNoda.Battleheart&hl=en
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Battleheart like above poster mentioned is a pretty fun game - you can squeeze a bit of fun out of that one for sure. But it would look at Heroes of Order and Chaos, definitely a very competitive and challenging game. Basically its the phone version of DoTA, LoL, and HoN.
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inlineboy said:
Basically its the phone version of DoTA, LoL, and HoN.
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Is it bad if I don't know any of these acronyms?
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Is it bad if I don't know any of these acronyms?
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Haha not at all, they are all MOBAs which are multiplayer online battle arenas! Check em out!
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Shadowgun dead zone has kept me quite entertained thus far you should give it a try if you haven't already
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crescentmoongames.ravensword2
Is a really fun game. Kinda reminds me of Morrowind to an extent.
http://pocketlegends.com/
hands down one of the many games I can play for hours on by. Got it on all my devices to transfer gold and items.
Day 45. I'm still playing this.
Here's a youtube vid of the game:
If all the Modern Combat or NOVA games were compatible with the S4 I would suggest those, I have really enjoyed their campaigns. Unfortunately only NOVA 3 and Modern Combat 3/4 are compatible -_-
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Day 45. I'm still playing this.
Here's a youtube vid of the game:
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+1 on Bards Tale, definitely one of the best games ever on Android. It's one of the few games that's actually a full fletched game and not just something you play for five minutes on the toilet lol.
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flu13 said:
Anyone recommend some good games for serious gaming? I mostly play console games, but I'm wanting to take advantage of the awesome new hardware in my pocket with some good games. I don't mean things like Angry Birds and Temple Run and Fruit Ninja. Any advice?
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This may or may not interest you, but I've had some fun with it
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kainy.client
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That would be pretty awesome if I played PC games, but I don't have any PC capable of keeping up with today's games.
Order and Chaos Online - WoW style MMORPG (Online Only)
Modern Combat 4 - Call of Duty Style FPS (Single Player Campaign/Online)
N.O.V.A 3 - Halo Style FPS (Single Player Campaign/Online)
Blitz Brigade - TF2/Battlefield Hybrid (Single Player/Online)
Battle Bears Royale Gold - TF2 Style FPS (Online Only)
Dungeon Hunter 4 - Diablo Style Hack and Slash RPG (Single Player and Multiplayer)
Heroes of Order & Chaos - LoL, DOTA style MOBA (Single Player or Online)
Critical Missions: SWAT - Counter Strike Clone for Mobile (Single Player or Online)
GTA Vice City or Gangstar Series for GTA style gameplay (Single Player)
Shadowgun/Shadowgun: Deadzone - Gears of War style third person shooter (Shadowgun = Single Player, Deadzone = Online)
Survivalcraft or Minecraft Pocket Edition - Minecraft style Sandbox (Single Player or Online)
Real Racing 3 - (Single Player or Online)
Dead Space - Scary Third person shooter similar to the PC versions. (Single Player)
Theres a few others like Need for Speed, Call of Duty Zombies, etc. You just gotta look for what you are interested in. On decent phones or tablets most of these games have pretty impressive graphics as well.
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TheTehk17 said:
If all the Modern Combat or NOVA games were compatible with the S4 I would suggest those, I have really enjoyed their campaigns. Unfortunately only NOVA 3 and Modern Combat 3/4 are compatible -_-
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I loaded every single version lol. Its not so hard. Spoof your S4 to a different device model so that the android store thinks its such, and then it will let you install applications for those devices. Lets you also get tablet versions of apps and also those really old ones that they are aging out of the market.