Idea, maybe more? - General Questions and Answers

Ok, was thinking about this for a while, and might as well tell people about it.
Now, consept started when I was looking a phone tracking program over gps, and I was wondering, what other kind of data could you send, and what's the max transfer rate for gps? And can it be a constant uplink to another device?
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sythe179 said:
Ok, was thinking about this for a while, and might as well tell people about it.
Now, consept started when I was looking a phone tracking program over gps, and I was wondering, what other kind of data could you send, and what's the max transfer rate for gps? And can it be a constant uplink to another device?
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I think you misunderstood something.
GPS, global positioning system, doesn't allow you to transmist data.
GPS satelites, transmit their time and position constantly.
Your phones tries to receive data from as many satelites as possible and calculates your position.
Phone tracking apps, make the gps data available through 3G/Wifi.

So it would have to send data from your phone to another?
refrase...
then how do the phone tracking programs work?
wouldent they have to be sharing info between each other, not checking what satalites are connecting to the phone through the satalite itself?...
Could you change that info?
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have a look at this ... it should clarify things up
http://www.eetimes.com/design/communications-design/4210115/How-does-a-GPS-tracking-system-work-

sythe179 said:
So it would have to send data from your phone to another?
refrase...
then how do the phone tracking programs work?
wouldent they have to be sharing info between each other, not checking what satalites are connecting to the phone through the satalite itself?...
Could you change that info?
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What phone tracking program are you talking about?
Your question is still unclear.
The "tracking apps" usually calculate their position through gps, take the standart internet connection (i.e. 3G/Wifi) and transmit the position data to another device or server and then do whatever.
GPS is passive, you have no influence or control over it.
Think of it as yourself looking at the stars to guess your location. GPS is like that, just fancier.

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XDA MODEM ISSUE for GPS

Hi,
I have to use XDA as a modem for recive GPS data on "Cellular line" modem. Using pocket streets (microsoft) I'd like to see GPS data but under GPS configuration I can not see "Cellular line" modem. Have you any idea?
Thanks,
Grigna
Can you explain what you mean by "receive gps data by modem", to use pocket streets and have a gps position you need a gps, the gps will usually install istesl as com1, you must have beams switched off under settings/connections/beams. Where does the modem come in to the equation?
cruisin-thru said:
Can you explain what you mean by "receive gps data by modem", to use pocket streets and have a gps position you need a gps, the gps will usually install istesl as com1, you must have beams switched off under settings/connections/beams. Where does the modem come in to the equation?
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gps is not close to XDA, is on the car, I'd like see position's car with XDA in "my hands" and the car in another place! So I cannot install gps in XDA com1. In the car there is gps connected at gsm. When I call with XDA the data number and the two gsm are on line, XDA recive gps data (NMEA string). How can use this data on pocket streets?
T.
Grigna
dont think i've ever heard about anybody doing that before
maybe some other program then pocket street is needed
If I read that right, he wants to use it as a "tracking" device? Yeah, I want that too! Then I could track my employees at little or no cost. That would save me about $400.00 per month. Sign me up!
I currently have a GPS tracker installed on my bike, its an EXCELLENT unit!!!
I will be receiving my XDAII (i-mate) tomorrow. I'll be using the same method to connect to my GPS tracker, via XDA's modem. The only difference is, i'll be using OziExplorer CE-edition. Should be interesting and will post any success / failure.
Please do. I'm very interested in this.
Thanks,
Wesley
Then I could track my employees at little or no cost. That would save me about $400.00 per month. Sign me up!
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but would that not be at the expensve of 100's of private eye jobs ?
lol...
I have a small trucking company. I need to track the shipments in the trucks. If possible, this would be a big help in reducing costs. Not spying or anything like that at all.
:O)
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heh yeah i kinda knew that
but maybe it could also be used to unmask these 2 villains
http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/cokebet.jpg
http://www.jkcc.com/coke/graphics/Pepsi.gif

AT&T Mark the Spot app is GPS fix

Download this app from market, start it, it ALWAYS locks on immediately, then start google navigation. No workarounds, no fiddling with gps settings, no cursing samsung, no sh*t!
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Really? Straight from the market quote:
"AT&T Mark the Spot is an application that provides customers a means to provide feedback on network user experience on AT&T"
How does this affect GPS?
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cappysw10 said:
Really? Straight from the market quote:
"AT&T Mark the Spot is an application that provides customers a means to provide feedback on network user experience on AT&T"
How does this affect GPS?
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It sends AT&T information on signal strength, etc. as well as your GPS location, so they can fine tune connectivity issues in that area. So it does have to do with GPS stuff. I suppose it's possible that it fixes the GPS stuff too, temporarily. Anyone else want to test and verify?
I installed the AT&T app and tried it and it worked! I haven't been able to get a GPS lock inside my house since I bought this thing, but I got one sitting in my office here in about 10 seconds. Launched the AT&T app first, then went to Maps and it popped right up. Until Samsung/AT&T can push a fix, I think this will work as a good work-around. Thanks!
I tried it and at first I thought it worked, but I had wiring on, so it was just using thuat... I turned it off and it returned to being four or more blocks away from where I am with a massive blue circle covering almost my entire town. Sigh.
cappysw10 said:
Really? Straight from the market quote:
"AT&T Mark the Spot is an application that provides customers a means to provide feedback on network user experience on AT&T"
How does this affect GPS?
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When you click Install, it says:
This application has access to the following:
Your Location
coarse (network-based) location, fine (GPS) location
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So I'd say it has something to do with GPS.......
that being said, I haven't seen an immediate change as the OP said, but I'll give it some time and not slam this based on the first 2 minutes of using it!
I installed it and using both wifi and gps settings it's still off by 5 miles! Come on AT&T/Samsung get you act together.
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The app probably set the GPS to 'MS Assited' mode because it needs the raw sat data and caculate your location from the server end, instead of on your phone. That's why it is fast and accurate (as long as you're not moving much). But it won't really cure your GPS problem because you will need your GPS on standalone or MS Based mode for your Nav app.
this is looking like it works, folks..... I have the GPS recommended fix settings from the stickied thread, and I'm getting good results with this! Connects fast and has not lost signal while driving - two very common issues people are having.... I haven't had anything to complain over, especially if you understand that you can't open and close a bunch of apps that use GPS at once while the other is trying to get a lock - for the first time EVER, Seesmic was able to find my location to post a tweet while indoors at home, it sure didn't do that before downloading this app!
GarciaM25 said:
When you click Install, it says:
So I'd say it has something to do with GPS.......
that being said, I haven't seen an immediate change as the OP said, but I'll give it some time and not slam this based on the first 2 minutes of using it!
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That permission request message actually a pretty good indicator that it goes through the same api that every other gps app on the market goes through. (locationProvider methods) I dont see how it could do anything...but hey who knows.
Tried it. Still not accurate. Off by approximately 4-6 blocks. I'm in my house with one/two bar's on 3g.
I've been telling samsung about this for about a week now. They have passed the info to their R&D folks working on the GPS issue.
Doesn't do a thing for me.
I'm pretty sure that the GPS software issues are at a lower level. All the apps that use location based services (Google Maps, Navigate, Yelp, Around Me, etc.) can use the same functions to activate the GPS and obtain a location. It is VERY unlikely that an app will write it's own low-level code to operate the GPS hardware - mostly because it costs more money to develop in that manner. Also, as a developer it's usually better to assume that existing code has been tested and is safe to re-use.
its from att so its not a fix
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I changed my gps server to supl.google.com and that with gps test (From the app store) really helps you lock on. If it locks usually pretty quick 20-30 secs its less than 16 feet... Lock first with gps test and then navigation... Locks 80% of the time pretty quickly and you see the triangulation of the satellites. Faster if you are outside obviously.....
I cant find this app neither the Market or AppBrain . Could you guide me to install the Mark the Spot. Tks
batis said:
I cant find this app neither the Market or AppBrain . Could you guide me to install the Mark the Spot. Tks
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Try the AT&T app center in the market.
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Thanks for the recommendation. Unfortunately, at this point I think my GPS is completely borked.
I had been using Runkeeper to prime my GPS for a couple days, but that stopped working. Mark the Spot isn't giving me a lock either. I'm outside on a clear day, and it's been trying to lock for about six minutes. Position Test is reporting eight satellites in view, but no dice.
It's great when these workarounds work, but it will be nice if and when Samsung is able to fix this.
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Have read similar results in other forums about firing up AT&T Navigator, but not accepting EULA and starting Google Maps? Pretty close, but nowhere near acuracy of any three previous HTC devices I have owned. I also didn't update Google Maps as recommended elsewhere also
Flashed my phone to the JH3 firmware with SRE 1.2.1a and tayutama lag fix ext2. So far ive been getting gps lock in under 5 seconds outside and at the most 15 seconds inside my house or job with 5 meter accuracy. Still a little lag with the gps while using google navigation, but like 200% better then when i first got the phone.

Why hasn't someone hacked the GPS to prevent or scrable the signal

I was wondering. With all the talk about spying. What hasn't someone made a program that will prevent the GPS from being activated remotely.
For non-rooted users, Android doesn't allow apps to turn on GPS without user intervention.
I'm sure GPS can be turned on at any time, without user permission. With that said there has to be something out there that will scramble or disable GPS.
JR_de said:
For non-rooted users, Android doesn't allow apps to turn on GPS without user intervention.
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im pretty sure that even rooted devices will popup root access yes/no answer window, so unless u can auto-answer-root-access-with-yes nothing can turn the GPS on.
even if its tunred on and gets lock-on the app would need a some kind of logging on time+gps coorinates or even a internet access to realtime upload the data.
im sure most of ppl would notice that.
Gjole86 said:
im pretty sure that even rooted devices will popup root access yes/no answer window, so unless u can auto-answer-root-access-with-yes nothing can turn the GPS on.
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Dialing 911 will cause the phone to turn on GPS. The provider can turn on GPS. I'm looking for a bulletproof way to prevent GPS from coming on.
Dont you want police to help you?
Isn't that what the tin foil hat is for?
O wait no that's the mans mind control.... my bad
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XXCoder said:
Dont you want police to help you?
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Other than getting my cat out of the tree, no.
blackadept said:
Isn't that what the tin foil hat is for?
O wait no that's the mans mind control.... my bad
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To the ill educated...what ever they tell you, remember, 'it is for the children'.
How about the "Permissions Denied" application?
It has the ability to block a permission for a specific app or for the whole device. Probably has what you are looking for.
Permissions Denied
Stephen (Stericson)
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There are a number of apps on the market that will allow you to spoof your GPS location. Start here: https://market.android.com/search?q=spoof+gps&so=1&c=apps
That said, if an app requests your location from Android it will get the spoofed location but if an app uses your cell tower ID or Wifi SSID/MAC and does a lookup on its own, it can still locate you.
Evo-3D said:
To the ill educated...what ever they tell you, remember, 'it is for the children'.
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Win
That is all.
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gthing said:
There are a number of apps on the market that will allow you to spoof your GPS location. Start here: https://market.android.com/search?q=spoof+gps&so=1&c=apps
That said, if an app requests your location from Android it will get the spoofed location but if an app uses your cell tower ID or Wifi SSID/MAC and does a lookup on its own, it can still locate you.
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Triangulation is fine by me. Due to the weather conditions here triangulation most of the time turns into biangulation, and even singulation. It is still a rudimentary form of pin pointing, hence the FCC requiring all cell phones to have GPS abilities.
As far as MAC, I again am fine with that. I do not use the phone via WiFi.
To everyone else:
Did anyone bother to actually read both HTC, Sprint, and Google's Privacy, Terms and Agreements?

Cheap GPS solution to track a shuttle bus

Hey folks,
So, I was looking for a cheap solution to track a vehicle. All I need pretty much is updates on the location of the vehicle in Long/Lat every 30 sec or so and a way to read out that information to display it on GMaps.
Any ideas where to start? I mean, basically it's what every smart phone does these days and it wouldn't be hard to create a website that displays the map and the location. It's what Google's Latitude did, just one way. I also looked at things like the app Glympse, which would be one way to go.
But I was wondering if there are dedicated options to run this service. It doesn't need to be a smart phone, I just assume that dedicated GPS units will have better greater accuracy and might be cheaper, because I don't need the other phone functions.
Thanks guys!
Google "fpv gps". They do everything you just said, but idk the range
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If that doesn't work I have some ninja that I can put you in touch with.
Also check out APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) used by HAM Radio Operators like my self.
APRS will take data from GPS/GLONASS and send it via VHF (normally but you can do it in any frequency or over the internet). That gets picked up by a repeater that either sends it further away or to an Internet gate. You can track different callsigns here: http://aprs.fi/
You can check the position from your Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wxLDEsImRlLmdvZGRjaGVuLmFuZHJvaWQueC5hcHJzIl0.
You can send messages to others.
There even is an app that takes your GPS data, callsign and sends it via internet to a VHF repeater. So no need for an actual radio. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hcHJzZHJvaWQuYXBwIl0.
There is a lot of stuff you can do with this, you can send telemetry data, some people send Weather information, messages, status of your house or car.
I did a project at the University for the minibaja car to take the temp of the engine and RPMs to send it with the position, speed, altitude and direction of the car.
If you want to have coverage even when there is no cellphone reception then I recommend using a VHF radio.
The only thing you really need is a HAM Radio license which is easy and cheap to get. If interested let me know and I'll put you in contact with your nearest HAM Club/Association and they will help you out get your license and APRS going.
You can find more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Packet_Reporting_System
http://www.aprs.org/
http://www.tapr.org/
Hope it helps.
- XE1YAA
first of all thanks for the ideas guys!
Zainiak said:
Google "fpv gps". They do everything you just said, but idk the range
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I looked into it, most of it was used for quad copters. Not really sure, how to put it together to get the information transmitted (GSM?)
MissionImprobable said:
If that doesn't work I have some ninja that I can put you in touch with.
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hey, that would be great - just to explore a few options. Thanks!
alphinux said:
Also check out APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) used by HAM Radio Operators like my self.
APRS will take data from GPS/GLONASS and send it via VHF (normally but you can do it in any frequency or over the internet). That gets picked up by a repeater that either sends it further away or to an Internet gate. You can track different callsigns here: http://aprs.fi/
You can check the position from your Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wxLDEsImRlLmdvZGRjaGVuLmFuZHJvaWQueC5hcHJzIl0.
You can send messages to others.
There even is an app that takes your GPS data, callsign and sends it via internet to a VHF repeater. So no need for an actual radio. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hcHJzZHJvaWQuYXBwIl0.
There is a lot of stuff you can do with this, you can send telemetry data, some people send Weather information, messages, status of your house or car.
I did a project at the University for the minibaja car to take the temp of the engine and RPMs to send it with the position, speed, altitude and direction of the car.
If you want to have coverage even when there is no cellphone reception then I recommend using a VHF radio.
The only thing you really need is a HAM Radio license which is easy and cheap to get. If interested let me know and I'll put you in contact with your nearest HAM Club/Association and they will help you out get your license and APRS going.
You can find more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Packet_Reporting_System
http://www.aprs.org/
http://www.tapr.org/
Hope it helps.
- XE1YAA
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This is great! I read through the wiki and a couple other pages. So far this looks really promising. How is the pricing tho? I looked at a few systems, but I feel like they were over the top having a bunch of features I don't really need. I think it is great that it doesn't need to rely on cell phone networks, because we are in a mountainous area.
So if I understand it correctly, the APRS unit would be connected to a GPS unit, reads the location data and sends it out to a station that is connected to the internet to publish the data right?

[Q] Best GPS Find My Phone App?

Hey guys, which app is best for a find my phone sort of app. I just received a Nexus 5 although I will not be getting a plan for it just yet. I will mainly just be using this as a normal wifi device. I want a "find my phone" sort of app that just in case I lose my phone, I will be able to track where it is from my computer. Can somebody recommend me the best app for this feature.
Kinda the same thing:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540586
angus242 said:
Kinda the same thing:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540586
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Yeah but it does not give a solid answer
So the 8 people that said Cerberus isn't solid enough for you? Or are you not looking for anti theft as well? Google already has a locating service built in.
angus242 said:
So the 8 people that said Cerberus isn't solid enough for you? Or are you not looking for antitheft as well? Google already has a locating service built in.
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I just want a solid app that I can find my phone with that does not require cellular data or talk and text. It would just require the GPS feature. I am not looking for anti-theft. Plus Cerebus doesn't look like it would be a stable app.
I disagree about the Cerberus.
Try the built-in feature:
https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager
maxell505 said:
I just want a solid app that I can find my phone with that does not require cellular data or talk and text. It would just require the GPS feature. I am not looking for anti-theft. Plus Cerebus doesn't look like it would be a stable app.
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The thing about these apps is that they all need some kind of data connection to work. The phone can use only GPS to find out where it is but without a data connection it can't get that information out to you.
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PMentior said:
The thing about these apps is that they all need some kind of data connection to work. The phone can use only GPS to find out where it is but without a data connection it can't get that information out to you.
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So how does this Google Device Manager work then? I thought this shows you on a map of where the exact location is.
maxell505 said:
So how does this Google Device Manager work then? I thought this shows you on a map of where the exact location is.
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It does. When you log into Google Device Manager from a computer or other device it sends a request (through its data connection) to the phone for its location. The phone then finds it own location through cell networks/Wifi networks/GPS and sends that data back through its data connection to Google Device Manager.
This is why it needs a data connection, be it cell data or Wifi, to function. The phone can find its location without out one but has to be connected to send that information out for you to see it.
PMentior said:
It does. When you log into Google Device Manager from a computer or other device it sends a request (through its data connection) to the phone for its location. The phone then finds it own location through cell networks/Wifi networks/GPS and sends that data back through its data connection to Google Device Manager.
This is why it needs a data connection, be it cell data or Wifi, to function. The phone can find its location without out one but has to be connected to send that information out for you to see it.
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Oh ok now I see what you are saying. Alright than Thank you so much!
Use the built in Google Device Manager or AndroidLost https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androidlost www.androidlost.com
Lookout is good too
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maxell505 said:
I just want a solid app that I can find my phone with that does not require cellular data or talk and text. It would just require the GPS feature. I am not looking for anti-theft. Plus Cerebus doesn't look like it would be a stable app.
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What makes you think Cerberus wouldnt be stable I have used it for ages now on every phone i have had, works great..you can do so much more than just track your phone! Remote video, pictures, sound loads of stuff.

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