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Is there a way of using GPS without media net?

My friend has the LG incite and run windows mobile. He has no media net, but is able to use gps just by using gpsgate and then the tom tom program. i was wondering if there is a way for us on the FUZE to do the same?

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all you have to do is turn off the AGPS in your settings. (Go to Start > Settings > System > AGPS Settings) and make sure Enable AGPS is NOT checked. You now have GPS without using your MediaNet!

Definitely did not work for me... Are there any other settings that I need? I turned off AGPS and went to my google maps and tom tom and can't get it to work.

.....google maps REQUIRES the internet to work, whether it's WiFi or MediaNet some sort fo internet is needed.
...as per TomTom it should work. I used to do it all the time until i actually got the data plan for myself.

See i don't want to get the data plan because its just for something I will use once in a blue moon. I just wanna have GPS in case I need it some time

okay...so TomTom or any other navigation software will work as long as you have the maps on your storage card...

I gotta wait till I get my phone back, but can anyone tell me if this works? (People without media Net of course) From my understanding it'll keep saying that its looking for a connection and can't get one.

not sure what "media net" is assuming it's some sort of isp
but gps don't require gprs or even a phone part to work
mind you most these gps's dont work indoors you have to be outside
or in a car and have a working tomtom set correctly up or gamin or any
other gps software suite

Media Net is ATT data plan they call it media net. Everytime I try connecting GPS it seems like its trying to use a data plan and since I shut it off by calling up ATT it seems like my phone is only trying to go through ATT and saying no connection

tomtom and gamin gps software should not use a data connection at all
if of cause the install include the cards of where one is located
the same software is run on pda's with gps but no phone
like many of the mio pda's

if your using some PirateBay copy of Tomtom or Garmin then you need to check the tags. Raphael is not a smartphone it's a PPC.
Advanced config take off aGPS.
MoDaCo nodata.cab
otherwise get garmin i've had very few problems once i figured out how to copy my maps from my c550 to my phone.

whats the point of having a phone as powerful as the touch pro if you aren't gonna pay for a data plan? thats like a car with no gas

FatalCharade said:
whats the point of having a phone as powerful as the touch pro if you aren't gonna pay for a data plan? thats like a car with no gas
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albeit i do have a data plan, i debated it for a while when i realized i was spending 80-90 hours a week in the hospital which has wifi and so does the fuze....given the limited time out of wifi spots, i almost went without it.... but then chose to go with it for those times when i'm not in wifi spots...

Try Amaze Gps....turn by turn gps...and it doesnt use data....and best of all its free!!

amAze needs the user to have a data plan in order for it to operate. similar to google maps

GPS Fix - new possible settings

This might be my first post ever, however, long time lurker on the boards.
I think I have a potential fix for the GPS issue with the Captivate. I don’t think this is the same as the “quick fix” found elsewhere on these and other the boards. I am not sure what (if any) 'side effects' there are to this.
My phone previously had the AT&T/Samsung fix from late September applied, although it didn’t seem to help.
Get to the Lbs test menu; previous available through *#*#1472365#*#*. However, if you previously installed the recent AT&T/Samsung (supposed fix) for the Captivate, you can’t get to the menu through the dialer. Use Anycut from market to get to the Lbs test screen.
My GPS now gets a great lock about 30 seconds.
BTW, I am not root….
YMMV. You should record your original settings prior to making these changes, just in case you need to revert.
Standard Disclaimer; I am not at fault for any issues this causes your device…..
Now, down to the settings that I use:
In Lbs test menu:
I “deleted GPS data”
Application Settings
– Session Type: Tracking
– Test Mode : S/W Test
– Operation Mode: MS Based
– Start Mode: Cold Start
– GPS Plus: Off
– Dynamic Accuracy: On
– Accuracy: 50
– Use Skyhook: Off
– Use PC Tool: Off
SUPL/CP Settings
- Server FQDN Type: Auto Config
- Server [leave what is autopulated]
- Server Port [leave was is autopopulated]
- Supl Secure Socket: On
- AGPS Mode: SUPL
Reboot.
Use GPS Test from Market, or the The “Get Position Test” menu from Lbs screen to validate.
WIFI Problem:
One thing I have noticed is that depending on the settings above, wifi (if on) sometimes inhibits the ability to see more than 1 satellite. I think the problems with GPS are overall related to Wifi in some way.
If you do not have luck with above settings, turn wifi off and see what happens.

I only had to change a couple of the settings but this is working nicely so far...Ill try again over the next day or so in various situations and report back.
Changed:
Op Mode to MS Based
Start Mode to Cold
Turned off GPS Plus
Secure Socket to off
Thanks!

I'll admit some of this seems counter-intuitive, but at this point anything is worth a shot.I'll let you know how it goes!
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You don't need to download anything to access the Lbs test. Just type *#*#3214789650#*#* in the dialer and you will get access. Works with JH7 and Froyo.

Before anyone else reads this and declares their GPS fixed, they should read at least the first post of this thread completely. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=789383 If you understand what is being said by that post, then you can offer GPS solutions. The only thing you have changed is AGPS settings. While those settings will get you a lock, they don't help out with accuracy. If you really want to test your GPS, you have to turn off the use wireless networks feature, take it outside and see how well it works then.
Everything that has been said in this thread has been said elsewhere and is not a solution.

Nope, it's definitely not fixed...but it did give me a better lock than before. Same old...
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Well if its not a fix then it is most definitely better...I can get a lock in ~20 seconds where as before it might not even come close.

l7777 said:
Before anyone else reads this and declares their GPS fixed, they should read at least the first post of this thread completely. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=789383 If you understand what is being said by that post, then you can offer GPS solutions. The only thing you have changed is AGPS settings. While those settings will get you a lock, they don't help out with accuracy. If you really want to test your GPS, you have to turn off the use wireless networks feature, take it outside and see how well it works then.
Everything that has been said in this thread has been said elsewhere and is not a solution.
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Additionally, a lock is not enough to say it works. Take it for a drive along with another GPS device - use Google my tracks or some other tool to record your path. Even use GPS test and watch your MPH, direction and location.
You will find that it is not fixed. It works OK sometimes, but many times it is behind or inaccurate.

msinkovich said:
Well if its not a fix then it is most definitely better...I can get a lock in ~20 seconds where as before it might not even come close.
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You will have to do that every week as your cached GPS data expires. And you can literally use any settings as long as you can use the lbstestmode to accquire a lock. That's all you need to do (accquire your first lock and it will cache the data for 5 to 7 days).

Any "fix" that involves "settings" isn't a "fix" at all since it demonstrates an utter lack of what the real problem is and how GPS fundamentally works.
The real "fix" won't come in the form of settings. Any purported settings "fix" is snake oil.

I've given up on GPS a while ago.
It's a fringe feature anyway.

I never have "use wireless networks on" and gps works good enough. It may not be perfect but everytime ive used it it has got me where i need to go no problems. It may jump off track or be slow to turn for a second but it still gets me to wherever just fine.
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If I read this correctly your turning off skyhook ? I read this http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/, and to me you need it turned on for urban areas and in the city need wi-fi turned on because of the occlusions caused by buildings and such...?
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roadrash7 said:
I never have "use wireless networks on" and gps works good enough.
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That option has nothing to do with GPS. 'Use Wireless Networks' is actually quite useful for location aware apps like Google Maps, Places, Speed Test etc. where an accurate but slow GPS lock may not be needed (or even possible if you're underground or inside a concrete building). This option enables those apps to use cell tower or wi-fi signal trianglation to get a quick estimation of your current location so that apps can give you relavent information, i.e. nearby gas stations or resaurants. It has nothing to do with aGPS either.

MikeyMike01 said:
I've given up on GPS a while ago.
It's a fringe feature anyway.
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You have to be kidding saying its a feature right? I can't believe how many say that its a feature and that it is ok that Samsung is screwing them ( along with placebo updates) . I myself love and would like a Galaxy S phone or even the new Focus 7, but its looking like it too has GPS issues from early reports with the Omnia 7.
I know most of you guys are already locked in with your carrier and don't have much choice with the GPS issue but its not a feature, its a valuable function just like placing calls, sending emails, texting, etc.. If you don't care about this, then you should of bought a Razor flip phone.
I have been keeping up with this because I really want to see Samsung resolve this and make right.
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So the only reason you need a phone is for the GPS? Otherwise just stay with my 1996 model flip phone? Just...wow!
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I think their point is that it is an advertised function of the phone and we would like to work properly.
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GimpyLeg said:
So the only reason you need a phone is for the GPS? Otherwise just stay with my 1996 model flip phone? Just...wow!
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My reasons for a working GPS are as follows:
Pinpoint your location, get turn-by-turn directions to restaurants, businesses and other destinations, location-based mobile games, social networking sites, real-time position tracking, lost or stolen phone tracking, etc., etc., etc..
What I am saying is just quit making excuses for Samsung and demand what you paid for! There are people on here who would really like for their GPS to be working and rightfully so.

Oh, I agree that it should work as advertised. Can't say Samsung is ' screwing' me because they can't get it right. Would have bought the phone if I knew about it beforehand anyway. There are many other features that led me to the Cappy. Samsung does need to fix the problem and I hope they do so soon. Buy I won't try discourage anyone from Samsung products in the meanwhile.
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wsantiagow said:
My reasons for a working GPS are as follows:
Pinpoint your location, get turn-by-turn directions to restaurants, businesses and other destinations, location-based mobile games, social networking sites, real-time position tracking, lost or stolen phone tracking, etc., etc., etc..
What I am saying is just quit making excuses for Samsung and demand what you paid for! There are people on here who would really like for their GPS to be working and rightfully so.
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The solution to the GPS problem is quite simple, but most people still don't see it.
If 100% accuracy and < 10 second fixes are more important to you than the rest of the Galaxy S features, then you do not want a Galaxy S phone. Either return the one you have or don't buy it. For most people, that good of a GPS is a bonus and not a requirement.
The GPS problems are not undocumented, anyone reading any reviews for the phone will realize that the GPS is not as good as other devices. Even if they don't realize it before they buy it, they have 30 days to return it. Samsung may or may not ever get the problem worked out since phones have such a short life cycle. *****ing about it in thread after thread, online petitions, and idle threats of legal action will have absolutely no impact on Samsung.

[Q] Google Navigation shows GPS position off by 200 ft

I wonder if others see this too or if my HTC Sensation 4G is broken.
When I'm in Google Navigation I often see the position 200 ft east of the highway.
I might add that I run the phone w/o a data plan so I'm loading the plan over WiFi and then start driving. It does not seem to make much of a difference if I wait for a stable GPS fix or just start driving an let it fix on the road.
The behavior is very annoying, as the Navigation app grabs on to parallel or incoming side roads and reroutes all the time, wasting lots of battery and heating up the device.

PlanBForOpenOffice said:
I wonder if others see this too or if my HTC Sensation 4G is broken.
When I'm in Google Navigation I often see the position 200 ft east of the highway.
I might add that I run the phone w/o a data plan so I'm loading the plan over WiFi and then start driving. It does not seem to make much of a difference if I wait for a stable GPS fix or just start driving an let it fix on the road.
The behavior is very annoying, as the Navigation app grabs on to parallel or incoming side roads and reroutes all the time, wasting lots of battery and heating up the device.
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Do you have a case on your phone? If so, try the app without the case to see if you get the same results.
I get about 20 ft error (average). But it can jump up to 50 or so. But I have a MIUI installed. Also adding that I am on a data plan and I believe using cell towers in conjunction of gps narrows down the error.

No case
Thanks, really good question, but my phone is naked so to speak. I don't use any case.
Unfortunately I have learned that Assisted GPS (AGPS) is a feature that does not work with cell towers, but with a data connection. Only if a data connection is present can the helping hand of assisted GPS (search Wikipedia for assisted GPS) work to find you a faster GPS fix.
Do you use Google navigation and do you see similar issues, like position jumping off the highway and attempting to enter the highway from a side road?

PlanBForOpenOffice said:
Thanks, really good question, but my phone is naked so to speak. I don't use any case.
Unfortunately I have learned that Assisted GPS (AGPS) is a feature that does not work with cell towers, but with a data connection. Only if a data connection is present can the helping hand of assisted GPS (search Wikipedia for assisted GPS) work to find you a faster GPS fix.
Do you use Google navigation and do you see similar issues, like position jumping off the highway and attempting to enter the highway from a side road?
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Once and a while but I cannot reproduce it.
You can try some of the fixes from crypted in the dev section. Just keep a backup of your gps.conf file if you want to test it. But the fix is for AGPS use.
What you can try is possibly sygic, but it's not free. I think its like 17 bux. But you can try it for a week.

Idea, maybe more?

Ok, was thinking about this for a while, and might as well tell people about it.
Now, consept started when I was looking a phone tracking program over gps, and I was wondering, what other kind of data could you send, and what's the max transfer rate for gps? And can it be a constant uplink to another device?
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Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.

sythe179 said:
Ok, was thinking about this for a while, and might as well tell people about it.
Now, consept started when I was looking a phone tracking program over gps, and I was wondering, what other kind of data could you send, and what's the max transfer rate for gps? And can it be a constant uplink to another device?
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510b
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I think you misunderstood something.
GPS, global positioning system, doesn't allow you to transmist data.
GPS satelites, transmit their time and position constantly.
Your phones tries to receive data from as many satelites as possible and calculates your position.
Phone tracking apps, make the gps data available through 3G/Wifi.

So it would have to send data from your phone to another?
refrase...
then how do the phone tracking programs work?
wouldent they have to be sharing info between each other, not checking what satalites are connecting to the phone through the satalite itself?...
Could you change that info?
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have a look at this ... it should clarify things up
http://www.eetimes.com/design/communications-design/4210115/How-does-a-GPS-tracking-system-work-

sythe179 said:
So it would have to send data from your phone to another?
refrase...
then how do the phone tracking programs work?
wouldent they have to be sharing info between each other, not checking what satalites are connecting to the phone through the satalite itself?...
Could you change that info?
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What phone tracking program are you talking about?
Your question is still unclear.
The "tracking apps" usually calculate their position through gps, take the standart internet connection (i.e. 3G/Wifi) and transmit the position data to another device or server and then do whatever.
GPS is passive, you have no influence or control over it.
Think of it as yourself looking at the stars to guess your location. GPS is like that, just fancier.

Cheap GPS solution to track a shuttle bus

Hey folks,
So, I was looking for a cheap solution to track a vehicle. All I need pretty much is updates on the location of the vehicle in Long/Lat every 30 sec or so and a way to read out that information to display it on GMaps.
Any ideas where to start? I mean, basically it's what every smart phone does these days and it wouldn't be hard to create a website that displays the map and the location. It's what Google's Latitude did, just one way. I also looked at things like the app Glympse, which would be one way to go.
But I was wondering if there are dedicated options to run this service. It doesn't need to be a smart phone, I just assume that dedicated GPS units will have better greater accuracy and might be cheaper, because I don't need the other phone functions.
Thanks guys!

Google "fpv gps". They do everything you just said, but idk the range
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If that doesn't work I have some ninja that I can put you in touch with.

Also check out APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) used by HAM Radio Operators like my self.
APRS will take data from GPS/GLONASS and send it via VHF (normally but you can do it in any frequency or over the internet). That gets picked up by a repeater that either sends it further away or to an Internet gate. You can track different callsigns here: http://aprs.fi/
You can check the position from your Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wxLDEsImRlLmdvZGRjaGVuLmFuZHJvaWQueC5hcHJzIl0.
You can send messages to others.
There even is an app that takes your GPS data, callsign and sends it via internet to a VHF repeater. So no need for an actual radio. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hcHJzZHJvaWQuYXBwIl0.
There is a lot of stuff you can do with this, you can send telemetry data, some people send Weather information, messages, status of your house or car.
I did a project at the University for the minibaja car to take the temp of the engine and RPMs to send it with the position, speed, altitude and direction of the car.
If you want to have coverage even when there is no cellphone reception then I recommend using a VHF radio.
The only thing you really need is a HAM Radio license which is easy and cheap to get. If interested let me know and I'll put you in contact with your nearest HAM Club/Association and they will help you out get your license and APRS going.
You can find more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Packet_Reporting_System
http://www.aprs.org/
http://www.tapr.org/
Hope it helps.
- XE1YAA

first of all thanks for the ideas guys!
Zainiak said:
Google "fpv gps". They do everything you just said, but idk the range
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I looked into it, most of it was used for quad copters. Not really sure, how to put it together to get the information transmitted (GSM?)
MissionImprobable said:
If that doesn't work I have some ninja that I can put you in touch with.
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hey, that would be great - just to explore a few options. Thanks!
alphinux said:
Also check out APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) used by HAM Radio Operators like my self.
APRS will take data from GPS/GLONASS and send it via VHF (normally but you can do it in any frequency or over the internet). That gets picked up by a repeater that either sends it further away or to an Internet gate. You can track different callsigns here: http://aprs.fi/
You can check the position from your Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wxLDEsImRlLmdvZGRjaGVuLmFuZHJvaWQueC5hcHJzIl0.
You can send messages to others.
There even is an app that takes your GPS data, callsign and sends it via internet to a VHF repeater. So no need for an actual radio. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hcHJzZHJvaWQuYXBwIl0.
There is a lot of stuff you can do with this, you can send telemetry data, some people send Weather information, messages, status of your house or car.
I did a project at the University for the minibaja car to take the temp of the engine and RPMs to send it with the position, speed, altitude and direction of the car.
If you want to have coverage even when there is no cellphone reception then I recommend using a VHF radio.
The only thing you really need is a HAM Radio license which is easy and cheap to get. If interested let me know and I'll put you in contact with your nearest HAM Club/Association and they will help you out get your license and APRS going.
You can find more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Packet_Reporting_System
http://www.aprs.org/
http://www.tapr.org/
Hope it helps.
- XE1YAA
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This is great! I read through the wiki and a couple other pages. So far this looks really promising. How is the pricing tho? I looked at a few systems, but I feel like they were over the top having a bunch of features I don't really need. I think it is great that it doesn't need to rely on cell phone networks, because we are in a mountainous area.
So if I understand it correctly, the APRS unit would be connected to a GPS unit, reads the location data and sends it out to a station that is connected to the internet to publish the data right?