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which ten are the best android phones responsible for android's growth
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I'd say the evo 4G was responsible along with the galaxy
S line of phones. The nexus one was huge I think.
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OG Droid, all the way. Completely changed the mobile landscape and put Android on the map.
The G1 and the N1, followed by the Droid...
The N1 is still the best one ever made.
The nexus 1 in USA and Desire in Europe
In terms of influence and popularity/innovation etc., I'd say the list is more like 1. G1(just b/c its the first Android), 2. OG Droid(First Android phone that blew up, ridiculous marketing etc), 3. HTC EVO (easily the iPhone of Androids) 4. Nexus 1 5. SGS/II 6. Droid X, 7. Droid Inc. 8. Moto Atrix 9-10, idk? Personally I'd put the HTC Aria up there for having such a clean, small design. Didn't sell huge but it did decent for an AT&T phone.
Idk, I think the youtube list is way off. For example, I don't know too many people who even heard of the LG Optimus X2. The Optimus V is a much bigger step for Android IMO ($130 prepaid, easily one of the best-selling Virgin Mobile phones).
cool. i would rank the samsung nexus s on this list
first curved screen, first nfc device.
well for me.. it has to be the galaxy s , (now on s2)
I was always a Nokia man until i bought a archos 5, 2 years ago and was very impressed, which led to the android change.
Wouldn't change back and would even go as far to say as i would be lost with out all the features we now all take for granted.
Why dint xperia x10 get there???...it had 1ghz when samsungs and htcs were still in 800mhz...
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Sgs 2 is awesome phone but I don't have I use oroginal milestone it's slow and sluggish runnin on stock and don't know how to install roms ... :/ can't find recovery mode on the phone can some one will help ?
if the HD2 are valid. I say HTC HD2.
he really helped development of android.
many things have been developed on HD2....
Tanks HD2
Top 10?? The HTC Inc2 is up there. . .
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which ten are the best android phones responsible for android's growth
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Since the question is which 10 best are responsible for putting Android on the map and not best overall here goes...
10. Your winmo phone - yes, I grouped them up but I think the Android ports is what really got the community moving from winmo->android...people just had to have a taste before they were willing to commit..
9. iphone - since theoretically iphone can run android I can count it as an Android phone ...Android was gonna grow iphone or not, that is obvious..all those people saying iphone is responsible for Android being what it is today is nto really true..it had its influence but end of the day thats very small..what they did have is getting average consumers interested in smartphones and touchphones to begin with.
8. Nexus S - Due to media's scaring people with fragmentation it arose a lot of interest among people due to it being "Google Experience" which is suppose to rival the pure "iphone experience"
7. HTC Hero - probably the first Android phone anyone heard any mention of...if they heard of it..
6. Samsung Intercept/Moment/Original Galaxy/w\w other names it has - Yes, crazy I know..this is a low end phone and is complete junk..but it made itself popular due to it being low budget and available in all markets..its junk but it put android on the map...whether it be in a good way or bad way is another story..
5. Droid X - Like the Evo it was a big competitor and had a lot of backing from the Droid camp.
4. HTC Evo 4G - This one is a big one mostly in the developer community. It also saw a lot of advertisement from Sprint which helped put it on the map as an alternative to the iphone. Unfortunately lack of stock ultimitely turned a lot of people down for months but there is no denying that average people know this phone by name in the US.
3. HTC Desire - This phone is very popular in the international community. I don't know the exact details but I know its big...its effectively the HTC incredible which did wonders and its similar to nexus one.
2. Samsung Galaxy S - The key to this one was samsung's ability to get the phone on so many carriers and so many markets..while each variant may not have performed well on itself it did wonders overall. Not to mention while TouchWiz UI is not very popular among many in development, to the average consumer it made things a lot simpler.
1. Motorola Droid - With Verizon's $100m advertising campaign, android was put on the map right there
Now..why is the Nexus One not there or the G1? well frankly they are both good phones but they did not put Android on the map...Nexus One was popular among the Android community..but outside no one heard of it..it was a developer phone with no supply chain...but still is an awesome phone...the G1 can probably be #11 but Android announcement wasn't even known by average people and most of the tech community was "thats nice"..again its a good phone responsible for alot but it didn't carry the weight the above 10 did...
Of course htc HD2
One of the most developed device and has since early days a big and powerful community behind it
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Samsung Galaxsy II, new but great, legendes will remain legends but this phone have very good future, i think by moding and developing will suprass any android phone.... Respect to G1 and N1, dislike HTC (because of unreall price here in Serbia)
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The best "phone" at this time IMHO is.. the iphone4
I don't understand why there is no android phone with the same physical specs - the same width/height/depth/weight and the same POWER specs (cpu/mem/features) - but with an android OS.
Everyone is trying to make a "huge-phone", instead of a classic portable phone.
That is really a shame.
I would say,
G1 (obvious reasons)
2. Nexus S (one of the best stock android phone)
3. Samsung Galaxy S2 (latest and the best)
Also, in case anyone else didn't notice, the video link the OP posted, is now removed from youtube.
Same usual suspects. Droid because it was the one that got Android noticed. galaxy s because it sold over 10 million, and the nexus series because those were google phones
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i agree that the iPhone is a more complete phone than any android device but the hardware itself aside from the screen is dated at best. I hope the iPhone 5 has something sexier under the hood, I still won't use it because the UI is hideous but I'd love for fandroids to stop celebrating the fact that their dual core processors make their phones almost half as fast as wp7 or iOS.
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Once iOS catches android in terms of user interface, it probably will need to include a dual core processor.
Same goes for WP7, once it catches android in terms of features.
There's always a catch, you get some, you lose some.
Okay, sorry but I feel the need to ask this flat out. I bought the Droid X a while ago and to be quite frank, it isn't as powerful as I was lead to believe. I jailbroke my itouch two years ago before I purchased my Android. I can now upgrade my device and am wondering if anyone has hands on experience between the three types of devices, which has the "most" enjoyable experience? When I look at my Droid x vs my itouch, honestly I can't help but think the better choice is an iPhone. But if anyone can tell me otherwise, Id be more than happy to listen.
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Just go to your local phone shop and play with all the devices.
Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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Okay so is it possible my droid x was just a bad choice? Iv used a lot of custom roms, miui is my favorite, but would an HTC be a noticeably better upgrade? Instead of another Motorola?
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If you're a basic user (texts, emails, browsing, games) then I'd say go with the iPhone. But if you like modifying and playing with your phone, I'd say go Android - specifically HTC. Even rooted, Motorola phones are still locked down. I personally don't care for Motorola, but that's just my opinion.
But really it depends on what you like. As mentioned, go to your local store and play with the different phones. You can't tell how they're going to operate rooted or jailbroken, but you can get a feel for what you'll be getting.
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I love both ios and androd，because ios is easy to use and androd is easy to DIY
I think Android is great for those who like to do little to major tweaks(I spend more time on those then in games) and people who came from linux
Okay so is it possible my droid x was just a bad choice? Iv used a lot of custom roms, miui is my favorite, but would an HTC be a noticeably better upgrade? Instead of another Motorola?
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If you've already decided you prefer the iOS interface to Android, then an iPhone is the way to go. It's pretty out the box, simplistic and is easy for anyone to jump into. Like others have said, Android has far more power behind it once it's rooted with custom ROMs. Liken it to Windows vs Mac: a Mac looks good but is heavily limited in customisation by default; you can do what you want to Windows for the most part, but it's not going to be like that straight out of the box. Not the best analogy but it depends on what you want from the device.
If you're a basic user (texts, emails, browsing, games) then I'd say go with the iPhone. But if you like modifying and playing with your phone, I'd say go Android - specifically HTC. Even rooted, Motorola phones are still locked down. I personally don't care for Motorola, but that's just my opinion.
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+1.
Id say wait until the new Mango devices are released, HTC are releasing two shortly and it will be interesting to see the new offerings from Nokia with Mango.
I personally wouldnt buy a new device just yet, if you want to play, but a second hand hd2 and choose which OS to play with, a good and cheap way for trying OS out.
If you aint tried Mango, you havent lived
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Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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I heard most people raved about iPhone and never hear them say any specifics when small amount of people complain about the phone. I've never used an iPhone before, can you give some examples what are the cons about iPhone as far as usability/design...etc. sort of as a user (not a developer or technical user) kind of angle? Thanks!
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I heard most people raved about iPhone and never hear them say any specifics when small amount of people complain about the phone. I've never used an iPhone before, can you give some examples what are the cons about iPhone as far as usability/design...etc. sort of as a user (not a developer or technical user) kind of angle? Thanks!
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I actually swapped to using Android (HTC Desire HD) from the iPhone 4. My personal issues with it were the ability to customise the layout out I wanted it. I also didn't like the way my feeds/calendar synced. It seemed simplistic and limiting to me.
That said, a lot of people love it.
I have been there with the Motorola click. hated it after 4 replacements. I gave up.
I have the HTC inspire 4G and loving it. never had a Iphone. and don't want one.
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Agree with IPhone better right out of the box for the common user, but for me, would never choose Iphone over Android, just because there are no limits on what you can do to the Android. Got HTC Incredible the day it was released and rooted/upgraded to custom rom soon after and have been nothing but perfectly happy. Especially back then before apple had cut & paste, multiple application running, bluetooth stereo music streaming, removal batteries/replacement hong kong batteries for $5 each, etc. Been drouling over Samsung Galaxy S2, but may have to settle for Bionic if not available by end of the year on Verizon.
Htc !!!!!
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In terms of performance with an Android device you can suck every bit of it if you want. Also in terms of device performance at the same price Android devices outclass by far Apple's.
iPhone
I have used both Apple's and HTC's phones. They are both great. But I would choose the iPhone any day of the week. Probably just because I'm a big Apple fan. HTC makes great phones too. If I were to get an Android phone, it wouldn't be anything except for a HTC.
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Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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I have used both of android and iOS ones. To be honest, even for iOS devices, they vary. I have a 1st generation iPod Touch with 3.1.3, and my dad has 3G with 4.2.1, the experience on 3G is horrible after the update, because the iOS 4 is not made for that. Sure you will get 'better' experience with jailbreak, but it varies from person. So for Apple, I think it is good if you know the capability of your device and play with it.
I got my first android half year ago, HTC Wildfire, it was pretty good experience using it, simply it has the most app for me, gmail. Also it was cheap. But believe me, you dont get any eyes on it, people will think its just an ordinary phone. Second device, HTC Desire S. Just got it a few days ago, yeah this one its much smoother and faster phone, but also expensive.
So overall I did not make any sense on my post, but anyway, I tried.
My 7th post! 3 more then I can thank the LBC ROM for my HTC.
Edit: I think for android, the better configuration the better experience. But on iOS it is not that obvious, you will be able to play most (if not, a LOT) of the games on Appstore with your 2nd generation of iPod touch.
I'd go for HTC.
Have had 3 of them and have never had regrets.
Tested Iphones and was not impressed. Expensive and limited.
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I know that the Iphone 4S isn't out yet.
And I know this is a developer's forum.
But I was hoping to get some insights with my problem.
I plan on getting either of this phone as a gift for my father.
He won't be installing any custom roms and will probably stick with the stock UI (sense).
He isn't that old, late 40's so he will still be able to use stock android OS no problem such as Touchwiz and Sense.
So...that's my situation.
Should I get the Sensation XE (Stock with no plans of using custom roms) or iphone 4s?
A thing that has me concerned right off the bat is the 1GB internal storage of the Sensation XE compared to the iphone 4s.
Has this been a major problem for you guys with installing apps and games?
Thanks.
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I know that the Iphone 4S isn't out yet.
And I know this is a developer's forum.
But I was hoping to get some insights with my problem.
I plan on getting either of this phone as a gift for my father.
He won't be installing any custom roms and will probably stick with the stock UI (sense).
He isn't that old, late 40's so he will still be able to use stock android OS no problem such as Touchwiz and Sense.
So...that's my situation.
Should I get the Sensation XE (Stock with no plans of using custom roms) or iphone 4s?
A thing that has me concerned right off the bat is the 1GB internal storage of the Sensation XE compared to the iphone 4s.
Has this been a major problem for you guys with installing apps and games?
Thanks.
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Sounds like an Iphone 4s would fit him. As much as it hurt me to say that. Hooe I don't burn in hell for this Lord.
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No problems with apps or games for me but I'm on cooked roms! The HTC Sensation & XDA support rock! I don't like Apple sauce or big brother...u get the picture!
Def get the iPhone 4s. You wouldn't want a crippled locked up device that has a super boring interface that's looked the same since its original launch just a different case rehash. Def get the 4s...
this has to be the weirdest place to ask if you should buy an iphone. this is an android forum. what do think, we all want iphones but settle for android? The 1gig of internal storage you will NEVER fill. And android has apps2sd, meaning you can install apps on the sd card, so... infinite storage for apps.
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I know that the Iphone 4S isn't out yet.
And I know this is a developer's forum.
But I was hoping to get some insights with my problem.
I plan on getting either of this phone as a gift for my father.
He won't be installing any custom roms and will probably stick with the stock UI (sense).
He isn't that old, late 40's so he will still be able to use stock android OS no problem such as Touchwiz and Sense.
So...that's my situation.
Should I get the Sensation XE (Stock with no plans of using custom roms) or iphone 4s?
A thing that has me concerned right off the bat is the 1GB internal storage of the Sensation XE compared to the iphone 4s.
Has this been a major problem for you guys with installing apps and games?
Thanks.
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Sounds like an iPhone 4S is better for him.
Selling point of android is customization. I would go with the iPhone.
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Tough question.
iPhones are known for their ease of use,but when they screw up .... lookout.
TBH,the Android platform is nice,once you get used to it.
The removable SD card is a nice feature.
I also like that the OS isn't kept under strict control like the Apple OS.
The removable battery is great too.
BTW: my phone isn't rooted and I'm 53 years old.
I still haven't found anything I'd take over my Sensation and I have looked at all the "superphones" out there.
There are really only three good reasons to choose a Sensation over an iPhone (4s or otherwise):
1) Cost This is really the biggie for me: because I'm on T-Mo/Sensation, instead of ATT/iPhone, I'm saving over $100 a month on our family plan. That's over $2500 over the next two years, which is unbelievably important for me at this juncture in my life.
2) Hackability Now, I know you can hack your iPhone, but really if you're interested in getting into the nitty-gritty of seeing how a smartphone runs "under the hood" then you want an Android phone. This probably won't matter much to your dad.
3) Screen Size A 4.3-inch screen gives you 50% more screen area than a 3.5-inch screen. In my case, this is important because I have low vision, so the extra pixel density of the iPhone is a complete waste on me; far more important is having everything be as large as possible, so I don't need to break out a magnifying glass as often to read stuff on my phone. This might matter to your dad, especially if his eyes are starting to go (I know it was a consideration for my mom when we were looking for a new phone for her).
If none of those are a concern... then it probably doesn't matter either way which one you choose. If your dad really wants that Retina display, or to brag to everyone that he has an iPhone, then get him an iPhone. If he's addicted to iTunes, or is already very familiar/in love with the Apple ecosystem, get him an iPhone. If you guys want to stick with Verizon or AT&T over T-mo, get an iPhone. Otherwise... get whatever's on sale.
Comparing the 100% stock Sensation XE to the iPhone 4S - go for the 4S
Whereas I LOVE my Sensation, and I'd never get an iPhone as I don't use any Apple products, my GF has an iPhone 4 and it does exactly what she wants it to do. Battery life is awesome compared to the stock Sensation, but with my personal ROM it's comparable
Ha..went through this my self and had exactly the same considerations.
I know its not exactly the answer to your question...but I actually decided WP7 was the way to go for my father. Its also super easy to ease and he totally loves it + you can get some really good value handsets (HTC7 Pro about GBP220 simfree).
I know we all love knocking it - but MS stuff does have some merrit. Lots of us loved good ole WinMo for a long time. But now I think they're designing more for the market you describe you know? Give it some consideration maybe?
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Comparing the 100% stock Sensation XE to the iPhone 4S - go for the 4S
Whereas I LOVE my Sensation, and I'd never get an iPhone as I don't use any Apple products, my GF has an iPhone 4 and it does exactly what she wants it to do. Battery life is awesome compared to the stock Sensation, but with my personal ROM it's comparable
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Completely agree - the 4S would be easier to use, and faster than a stock Sensation. Rooted, the Sensation is as fast, fluid and nice to use as an iPhone. Unrooted, the iPhone wins hands down, and I imagine the 4S would be even better (although Apple's had the fluidity thing down since the 3GS).
I probably wouldn't buy an iPhone, but they're great for mums and dads and they work really well outta the box.
EDIT: didn't see DJ's post but WP7 is also great for the parents, we got one for my girlfriend's dad who's a complete technophobe and he manages it no problem
I think apples integration with itunes and all that would be confusing. Id go android or wp7, which btw is ridiculously easy to navigate.
If I were to get a smart phone for one of my parents I would get them an iPhone, even though I would get Android for myself.
Just because he's older dosent mean he can't use an android phone. I personally prefer screen space so automatically the I-phone loses in that dept. I've really tried to use iPhones before and they just leave me wanting more. If he's gonna leave both phones stock then I would go with the Amaze. The 1 gb of ram on phone makes it really snappy and the Camera is awesome.I personally have a sensation and since all the best features of these other high end phones are showing up here I see no reason to switch phones now. Good luck with whatever you choose
If he is tuff on phones go with the Sensation. If he isn't iphone 4s. Also what cell provider does he plan on using? Sprint and ATT would be good but Verizon would suck. Also if he uses the internet alot I would say Sensation do to the faster speed of the t-mobile network and better data plans.
I had to reply to this I'm 46 years old in December and have no problems what so ever finding my way round an Android device
Actually this is my third one to date out of the box they work great
Yet my old mind still has no problems debranding , s-off, rooting and installing custom roms so they can't be that bad if I can comprehend them at my age
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I had to reply to this I'm 46 years old in December and have no problems what so ever finding my way round an Android device
Actually this is my third one to date out of the box they work great
Yet my old mind still has no problems debranding, s-off, rooting and installing custom roms so they can't be that bad if I can comprehend them at my age
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Cool. My mom is in her 60s and doesn't know how to check voicemail on her cell. My parents got their first computer about 7 years ago and a month later asked me why it was running really slow; I took a look and found that about 30 instances of internet explorer were minimized. They would minimize IE when they were done and then open another instance later.
They were paying a local IPS for internet access and also paying AOL to view the content they had access to... need I go on?
craig1965 said:
I had to reply to this I'm 46 years old in December and have no problems what so ever finding my way round an Android device
Actually this is my third one to date out of the box they work great
Yet my old mind still has no problems debranding , s-off, rooting and installing custom roms so they can't be that bad if I can comprehend them at my age
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That's all well and good but this thread is comparing the stock Sensation to the iPhone 4S and, I'm sorry, the 4S IS the better phone. Android is awesome but for anyone just wanting a phone to work should get the iPhone as they'll just end up complaining
Yes you are correct it is getting off topic however that said the versions of IOS I have seen and used for a while I've found it a horrible operating system to work around the android OS is far more user friendly and 1 gig of internal memory is more than enough space for your average person add in the fact the android market has more free apps than apple
My personal choice android by far
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What to say to apple fans trying to manipulate a layman, into buying an apple, in laymen terms? Or what's the ultimate android to apple bash? Or what's the best reason to buy android vs apple? One of the main reasons I wanna know what other people would say, especially to their friends or family. I've never touched a Mac nor will I ever so I can't really say anything but tech specs, so that's my main reason to start this thread. Plus... I also wanna hear if other people are as sick as I am just hearing the freakin word, "Apple".
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What to say to apple fans trying to manipulate a layman, into buying an apple, in laymen terms? Or what's the ultimate android to apple bash? Or what's the best reason to buy android vs apple? One of the main reasons I wanna know what other people would say, especially to their friends or family. I've never touched a Mac nor will I ever so I can't really say anything but tech specs, so that's my main reason to start this thread. Plus... I also wanna hear if other people are as sick as I am just hearing the freakin word, "Apple".
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before i use Apple, i thought it is the best phone, but after i use apple iphone 4, i find it is good but with so many limitions, cannot download the useful apps is not good.till now, i can only download the apps from app store. while android is much better than iphone, my husband's galaxy s2 hd lte is good enough.
Why is there an apple sub forum in xda. Wont it be a head ache for the mods to get the spam out of it?
Ontopic. My brother has an apple and he can't stop bragging about it. Apple this apple that. I don't know what so big of a deal with it. Its also costs damn too much. I do accept its a bit fast and little stuff but that would be cause I have a wildfire.
Also it only varies based on its memory Rom (or whatever they call it) . No different styles no different sizes. But android ranges from big to small powerful to low powered.
Maybe I say this cause I only used android but I'm not gonna use iPhone any time in the future.
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Customisation is Android's Strong Point!
I would say try an iPhone and try an Android phone - the iPhone will let you do so much, but then it will give you a brick wall which you can't jump over. The Android phone, on the other hand, will give you a blank canvas which you can turn into a Picasso or a Rembrandt, depending on your tastes.
Android = customisation, at its best.
iPhone = standardisation and closed ecosystem (at its best).
It all boils down to preferences anyway. I'd stick with Android though. I just can't stand the fact that iPhone's UI is a glorified app drawer. BORING.
I purchased an iPhone 4 the first month it came out. I had never owned a smart phone before this. I thought it was fun to play around with but I eventually got really bored of it. After 3 months I really didn't understand the hype behind the phone. I gave it to my dad and went back to my 5 year old Sony Ericsson which was WAAAAY more customizable than the iPhone, even though it was very old. With the iPhone I felt like someone was cutting my steak for me and cleaning my mouth, but with the Sony Ericsson I could choose whatever type of Steak I wanted and make it myself, constantly trying new seasonings. I know that was a terrible metaphor, but whatever.
In January of last year I picked up an HTC Inspire 4G. The first month my grades dropped because of how much fun I was having. I rooted it, installed a custom ROM, playing GBA/SNES/N64 games, and did everything I could do on my PC on my phone. I even edited microsoft word documents before sending them to my teachers straight from my phone. It was a whole new world. I could literally do anything with my phone.
Over the summer I bought a Galaxy S2 i9100, and I still have it. Best. Phone. Ever. Created. I skype with my friends using the front facing camera, watch HD videos while exporting to my HD TV, and connect a mouse and keyboard and surf the web while on vacation. I even leave my laptop at home when I travel on short trips now. I just hook up the phone to the hotel's TV and browse the web.
So the reason I prefer Android is that you can do anything you can on an iPhone and a lot more. IOS is discovering an alien civilization deep within space while Android is finding an empty planet and colonizing it.
Deltatiger said:
My brother has an apple and he can't stop bragging about it. Apple this apple that. I don't know what so big of a deal with it. Its also costs damn too much. I do accept its a bit fast and little stuff but that would be cause I have a wildfire.
Also it only varies based on its memory Rom (or whatever they call it) . No different styles no different sizes. But android ranges from big to small powerful to low powered.
Maybe I say this cause I only used android but I'm not gonna use iPhone any time in the future.
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+1 for everything
@ ComradeNF I like your last paragraph... Thanks for responses, keep it going;-)
@ arzku, I agree as well.
Kerosine said:
I would say try an iPhone and try an Android phone - the iPhone will let you do so much, but then it will give you a brick wall which you can't jump over. The Android phone, on the other hand, will give you a blank canvas which you can turn into a Picasso or a Rembrandt, depending on your tastes.
Android = customisation, at its best.
iPhone = standardisation and closed ecosystem (at its best).
It all boils down to preferences anyway. I'd stick with Android though. I just can't stand the fact that iPhone's UI is a glorified app drawer. BORING.
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Hands down Android ....
Apple is just UI & the Brand they have managed to create over the years.
Android is the best that that could happen to Mobile devices...
From my "experience" (@Israel) most people with iphones are those who use their PCs just for facebook, they just dont want anything "complicated".
Android is more of a thinking man's platform (imo!)
Once a friend of mine bragged that the iphone is simple & small while android (galaxy nexus) is too complicated, messy and huge.
It made me chuckle cuz most people (including him) have huge cases on their iPhone's making it bigger and uglier than my HTC desire, which survived, and continues to kickass w/o a case for almost two years now.
nebsif said:
From my "experience" (@Israel) most people with iphones are those who use their PCs just for facebook, they just dont want anything "complicated".
Android is more of a thinking man's platform (imo!)
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A friend of mine recently just upgraded from the iPhone 3Gs to the iPhone 4s. When I found out, I was all, "uhh, I've shown you what Android can do." To which my friend responded, "Yeah, but all I really do on my phone is check Facebook & Twitter."
Just saying, if that's all I did on my smartphone, I wouldn't spend the extra money a month for a data plan. I would just have a regular flip phone.
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Just saying, if that's all I did on my smartphone, I wouldn't spend the extra money a month for a data plan. I would just have a regular flip phone.
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iAgree. But I think iPhone(along with all Apple products) makes some kind of ego for the owner. Other people think they are rich and elegant etc.
But as we all know, it's not cool to own an iPhone
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Why is there an apple sub forum in xda. Wont it be a head ache for the mods to get the spam out of it?
Ontopic. My brother has an apple and he can't stop bragging about it. Apple this apple that. I don't know what so big of a deal with it. Its also costs damn too much. I do accept its a bit fast and little stuff but that would be cause I have a wildfire.
Also it only varies based on its memory Rom (or whatever they call it) . No different styles no different sizes. But android ranges from big to small powerful to low powered.
Maybe I say this cause I only used android but I'm not gonna use iPhone any time in the future.
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Actually, iPhones don't cost more than any other Android super phones. People just think iPhones are expensive because they don't offer a lot of bang for your buck.
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Apple is a novelty item now a days. Just to show off that they have it.
In the early days, it was the thing to have because it had all the apps and all the things people would want but now that Android is growing and developing more, it's almost the same for normal users. Of course the android needs to be on even grounds with the apple phone to be considered. ie iPhone 4 to Sg2, Razr, nexus.
For Normal users, if they don't customize the rom, and use it is as is. I think Apple would be the most useful for them.
For "Advanced" users (I use advanced lightly), the Android can do a lot more than Apple in terms of customization and useage.
Personally I'd go with Android. I thought about getting an iPhone but in the end I chose the galaxy S.
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Actually, iPhones don't cost more than any other Android super phones. People just think iPhones are expensive because they don't offer a lot of bang for your buck.
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http://www.digitec.ch/ProdukteVergleichen1.aspx?artikel=225742,209918
uuh, oh rly?
i see a difference of whooping 300.- here
Shush...
Given the kind of feedback that's coming out I suggest we keep this thread under the radar, lest Apple decide to sue us for breaking one of their patents.
Considering the patents they have, I wouldn't be surprised they patented "the ability to have an opinion on a smartphone and its real value" by now! They typically use that patent to spread wrong ideas against Android phones (forceclosing issues, copying, etc) and in favour of their product (the "innovative" FaceTime for instance, new notification system, etc) to their sheep..er.. I mean, customers.
My Opinion
My own feeling is that the iphone is great for those who want an item that comes out of a box in a usable form that they can conform to.
The android is best for someone that wants to customize their phone to their likes, and for the tasks they will perform.
My wife would probably do great with an I-phone, She has an android, but she has never changed anything about it since the second day she had it.
I am always trying roms, kernals, and apps to make my phone perfect for me.
my gf recently got her first android.
after a day she asked me if she could change that stupid lockscreen from samsung to something.. more useful.
i showed her widgetlocker
now her lockscreen looks cooler than mine... xD
thats something what would've been impossible with an iphone..
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I would say try an iPhone and try an Android phone - the iPhone will let you do so much, but then it will give you a brick wall which you can't jump over. The Android phone, on the other hand, will give you a blank canvas which you can turn into a Picasso or a Rembrandt, depending on your tastes.
Android = customisation, at its best.
iPhone = standardisation and closed ecosystem (at its best).
It all boils down to preferences anyway. I'd stick with Android though. I just can't stand the fact that iPhone's UI is a glorified app drawer. BORING.
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The biggest thing that annoys me with apples OS is the lack of a dedicated back button and the functionality that goes along with it. Its very annoying to open a link in an email and then have to manually go back to the email app. Very disorienting. Every other mobile os has some way of accomplishing this.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402691,00.asp
HTC profits plunge 70% over the past year, and I have a few ideas why.
1) Build quality clearly took a backseat to production numbers. Just take a look at the AWFUL devices (such as the Sensation) that HTC has produced recently. Dust under the screen, cheap components, and shoddy assemblies are not good for business!!
2) SENSE!!! Anyone think it was/is a coincidence that as soon as HTC started forcing Sense on all its phones the numbers took a dive? I dont, and clearly the market agrees with me. Sense is probably one of the worst conceived and implemented "enhancements" to ever hit android and that has obviously hurt HTC big time.
3) Trying to compete as an iphone replacement. Lets be honest, the iphone IS the 800 pound gorilla in the room. However, by churning out 20 "different" yet basically identical phones in 12 months HTC is only diluting its brand. Further, the Sense based "enhancements" only appeal to small minded folks who would choose an iphone, not real android fans. Sure, Sense (and IOS) look 'pretty' but neither provide any functionality. In addition both Sense and IOS are bloated, slow, and take for ever to get updates.
In summary, HTC tried to be everything to everyone and it backfired. They should go back to building QUALITY phones with proper software. Let the little kids, teens, and tweens go buy iphones, and let Sense die a FAST death! FIX THE BUILD QUALITY and people will buy your devices!! I dont know what else I can say about that. If HTC insists on making multiple phones, at least provide SOME level of differentiation! 20 phones that look identical is not a product set, ITS CONFUSING TO CONSUMERS.
Thank you and have a nice day.
HTC had a bad year ( and it's their fault ) but the good thing is that they 've learned. They are focusing on the ONE series this year and I must say those phones are the best available right now ( each in its league ).
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Well said......i used to b an htc fan nd i jumped to sammy lately due to the dilution.u referred to. Very similar phones within a very short period of time. What were they thnkng? They had no time i bet to innovate due to the demand for productn. Htc remind me of dubai.....grew too big in too little time! Now the dive comes.....but they forecasted that to say the truth. I mean expeert would have recommended that htc continue doing wat they 1st started to do......quality in low numbers....low cost meant high return! I guess their board got greedy at one time. I really doubt they can turn thngs arnd seeing how ruthless the market is. No place 4 mistakes.
Although I do agree with you in some case I also strongly disagree in others.
I'm a really big android fan and I really like sense I think it's the best OEM skin but I also like AOSP a lot , so that is just an opinion. I consider it one of the best skins its the most bloated one too. And your statement about iOS being slow, bloated and taking forever to update... Wtf iOS is definanatly not slow and its one of the smoothest ,and all of the supported iPhones and iOS devices get updates on the same day that it is released.
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i've gone back and forth between stock android and sense, and i often prefer sense. i'd like to think i'm not small-minded.
Oh...well ,it's fun while it last. My next phone I wanted the best looking screen. If T-Mobile USA release the One X, I would have bought it in a heart beat. But it's not going to happened, so I'll wait for Samsung 1080P screen hehe.
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Sure they made some mistakes in 2011, but they've learned and we can already see the results in the One line which has come out to glowing reviews everywhere. As long as HTC can stand their ground and refuse carriers' requests for custom designs (which I believe is what was behind the scatter-shot approach they took last year) they will be fine. I still think HTC's build quality is the best in the Android world (I have had none of the problems people have mentioned with my Sensation aside from the dust, and my current phone has been dust-free for several months now), and nothing on the One series looks to change that.
And, I must say, having used Sense 3.x, 4, and AOSP, the latter isn't all that people make it out to be. In my daily use I can still find areas where Sense (especially 4) does things better - for example, in the lock screen, music player, browser, and home screens. I have not seen any speed advantage to AOSP over Sense that doesn't require a benchmark to show, and there is nothing I can do in stock ICS that I can't do in Sense. Also, I find the AOSP minimalist look becomes tiresome after a couple days, while Sense 4 does not, while looking just as nice. Caring about the aesthetics of the UI is not "small-minded" as long as one doesn't give up functionality - and Sense 4 does not.
Every big company has their software ontop of android running its a normal thing while i agree that sense is bloated but i disagree where you say its slow ...
I was running stock and didnt feel lag at all + the custom sense widgets are good looking if you'd ask me ...
The main reason why its falling its because they make too much device in short time and they don't put enough effort into them id rather love to see them release very few devices a year but work really hard on them ...
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This article was a reality check and EVERY HTC Executive should read it.
Obviously you have only used HTC for a while now. I actually totally disagree.
I owned a Samsung Galaxy i9000 as my last phone. To give you an idea of how the top phone of the market performed at the time:
1) Everyone suffered terrible lag. This was never fixed. Sometimes the phone would just freeze up for a minute. Happened to me once when I wanted to take what would have been a great picture
2) The RAM was so limited because of the requirement for the CPU/GPU, that there wasn't enough to webbrowse for longer than 20mins without the phone crashing
3) The GPS on none of the units worked that well. Over time they added what appeared to be smoothing algorithms, but, at the end of the day, it was mostly unusable for driving, because the signal constantly dropped.
4) A huge amount of units had failing flash quite quickly. My phone (which wasn't an i9000M) had this problem.
5) No OTA updates, and the PC software to do updates was terrible. Seriously, this is something HTC perfected years ago.
6) TouchWiz was complete garbage. To give you an idea of how garbage it was, by default, the apps weren't even sorted alphabetically.
I suspect that a large number of these problem is caused because since Samsung manufactures their own components, it would look bad if they used their competitors components.
Also, you complain about Sense, but Sense is actually EXCELLENT. Only recently has the AOSP interface been half decent, and in comparison to other phones, it has been amazing.
HTC also regularly updates their phone software, of even their older phones. On the i9000, we got 2.1 and 2.2, and they were bloody difficult to install because Kies didn't work on many computers (no OTA supported either). And other manufacturers like Sony Ericson do an even worse job for software. iPhone's get all the updates, BUT, on the other hand, iOS can't play FLAC files, and you HAVE to go through their app store.
Sorry, but, I TOTALLY disagree. The popularity of phones appear to have more to do with advertising than anything else these days, and Samsung's boost is simply because of their collaboration with Google. But, in all honesty, the i9000 should have been recalled.
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Obviously you have only used HTC for a while now. I actually totally disagree.
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That is incorrect. In fact, I was one of the first importers of HTC phones (to the US) over a decade ago when they were just getting into Windows Mobile. I have probably had, sold, or used every HTC model that was compatible with US GSM or CDMA bands since the year 2000. As such, I speak from YEARS of experience and I can honestly say I am disappointed. Clearly my disappointment is not something I alone feel, since a 70% drop in profits indicates something is SERIOUSLY wrong.
As I said in my OP, HTC can fix this problem fairly easily. All they need to do is FOCUS and produce a GOOD product that people actually want. I personally think the whole "one" line is garbage, and I eagerly look forward to its demise in 18 (or so) months when Google forces ALL manufacturers to use a STANDARD (ie stock) version of Android. Until then, we will have a fractured, unsupported, miserable selection of phones. Check out the following graph for a better understanding of what Sense and other "enhanced" overlays have done to Android.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/10/27/android.support.seen.lagging.iphone.by.wide.margin/
Those stats are a few months old, however the fragmentation has only gotten worse with ICS. Enjoy!
Stock markets are like roller coasters. Htc has been on a roll up as of late...so now it's down time! Next year it will be back up...nothing to worry about
Interesting chart at the end. But i actually agree. HTC needs to focus more of what they make. One high-end and one cheap model, and possibly one with keyboard like Desire Z would suffice.
But they release too many models and in fact i just knew long ago that it was a poor business model evolving, and there would be too many phones to keep updated in the end. Thats was one reason why i dropped out of Android/htc for a while coz i thought the phones that kept coming in loads of models was just "experimental" pieces to flex muscles with tougher and rougher specs, with little care about them. And thus the fear of losing updates could easily be a reality.
Hats off to Apple anyways that keeps their products healthy for some years before they are discontinued.
Sensationaly sent from my Sensation.
Sindroid said:
Interesting chart at the end. But i actually agree. HTC needs to focus more of what they make. One high-end and one cheap model, and possibly one with keyboard like Desire Z would suffice.
But they release too many models and in fact i just knew long ago that it was a poor business model evolving, and there would be too many phones to keep updated in the end.
Sensationaly sent from my Sensation.
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Spot on - how many different handsets did they release last year? Way too many.
Different UIs like Sense actually help sell devices. While a lot of folk here might go for the native aosp look, it's very dull and uninteresting to the average user (compared to iPhone and even WM7). It's really only the different manufacturers UIs that differentiate product offerings, otherwise wouldn't they all look the same?
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Spot on - how many different handsets did they release last year? Way too many.
Different UIs like Sense actually help sell devices. While a lot of folk here might go for the native aosp look, it's very dull and uninteresting to the average user (compared to iPhone and even WM7). It's really only the different manufacturers UIs that differentiate product offerings, otherwise wouldn't they all look the same?
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I agree they would all look the same and a android phone wouldn't be so special anymore for example people would stop buying android phones if they were all running pure google rom... Because it would be all the same thing it would get quite boring..
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I agree with your views about build quality.
HTC have cheapened out on the components. They are using cheap EMMC chips, which are prone to frying, thus bricking your phone, on their devices from 2011 (Desire S)
But I strongly disagree with everything else you say.
Liking Sense or not is subjective. But I can tell you that I bet at least 70% buy HTC devices for the Sense experience. It's HTC's way of differentiation from the rest if the Market. If every OEM released pure AOSP, they would all virtually be the same. Hardware would only be the key factor. HTC's hardware isn't as good as Samsung's (specs wise) but in 2010, it clearly proved that the Desire was better than the Galaxy S...
Why?
Because of the Sense UI experience.
2011, things changes. Yes the SGSII was the phone of the year, due to its mighty specs.
But Sense is not as bad as you describe it. If you detest Sense so much, why did you buy the phone?
Also, I want to layout out - I'm not an Apple Fanboy, but I strongly disagree with what you say. Seriously, iOS slow and bloated?
It's clean and fast. The only slow iOS devices I encountered was the iPhone 3G.
How is it bloated? Apple load up minimal applications on the device. To some extent I agree with you about Sense (by default they load up so much junk - still doesn't take away the fact Sense is a good UI though)
And iOS slow with updates? Are you kidding me? It's much faster than Android updates from OEMs. But that comes back to the point with HTC being crap at software updates. I agree with you there! They are so damn slow with the ICS update for other devices (even though I have no intentions of using the official update)
So yes, HTC have become worse. (But I think they are goog to get higher profits etc in Q2,3,4 due to their new One lineup)
But, I don't think its fair that you bash Sense UI. Or bashing iOS with incorrect/false facts.
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people would stop buying android phones if they were all running pure google rom... Because it would be all the same thing it would get quite boring..
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That is a ridiculous statement and totally wrong. ALL Apple phones are exactly the same yet they sell millions of them. If all android phones ran the same OS it would be BETTER for users and they would sell MORE devices. That way manufacturers could focus their development around actually adding value. For instance, some would use a higher quality material, others would include a really great camera, others would build a physical keyboard, etc. Right now the manufacturers/carriers are focused on horrible overlays (cough, SENSE, cough...) that they never update. The end users is suffering now, and the Android fragmentation diagram I linked to is proof of this.
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Just take a look at the AWFUL devices (such as the Sensation) that HTC has produced recently. Dust under the screen, cheap components, and shoddy assemblies are not good for business!!
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Me, my fiancee and my best friend all have Sensations and none of us have ever had any build quality problems. My biggest problem was the terrible battery life at launch, but with an Anker battery, successive Gingerbread updates, then a custom ICS ROM from here, it's all good.
It strikes me that HTC have invested millions into phones no-one has asked for. Sensation XE and XL with royalities going to Dr. Dre? What were they smoking when they thought that up? Do they not realise that top-spec HTC phones are for geeks such as myself, and geeks don't listen to Dr. Dre.
Well, I don't anyway.
And as for the One series... iPhone wannabes, complete with no SD-card slot and a fixed battery. Not the right direction to be headed imho.
I do agree with the large number of products being released hurt their image, but I'd have to think a large part of that was due to the huge popularity of the GS2 (and sebsequently the GNex) which leapfrogged Samsung ahead. And the iPhone is always the behemoth in the room. I like my phone, but I hated how they had 15 variations of it in the year. I can barely tell the difference between any of the Sensation models and the other HTC phones (thunderbolt, desire, desire HD, etc etc) all looked very similar and confused consumers.
I like where they are going, but my next phone will likely be a Nexus because I don't want the Sense overlay anymore--nothing against HTC though. If they made the next Nexus, I'd be stoked.
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And as for the One series... iPhone wannabes, complete with no SD-card slot and a fixed battery. Not the right direction to be headed imho.
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No SD Card is a shame. But I do think spec wise they are going in the right direction. People slated the Sensation for having slightly lower specs than the GS2 e.g. in terms of RAM and Internal Memory and they seem to be rectifying that.