As you all know, nearly two weeks ago the long awaited source code for the Android Gingerbread software was released. This had been a joyous occasion for many of us who had been patiently awaiting its release in hopes that it would lead to working versions of Cyanogenmod and MIUI on our phones, as well as several kernel modifications that were not previously possible. The first few hours of speculation turned into days, which turned into weeks, with the promises of development yet to be fulfilled. As it turns out the fears of some of you had come true, that the few developers that were left lost interest in the Galaxy S 4G for other projects.
While people like Raver have actively stuck with us, there has been a dead silence by those who were previously the most visible on this forum. Whitehawkx who has left us for the Galaxy S2, Dsexton who had left for lack of a separate computer,and Dr Honk who God knows where he is. Krylon ive seen mention working on a kernel once but with little detail. These were some of the best we had and we need to make it overwhelmingly obvious to them that they are wanted and needed here. So I propose that we take the time to let them know that the source code they've wanted and needed is now available and ready to be worked. Youre welcome to write up your own words for a message, though heres something I threw together along with the public contact info for the devs.
Feel free to reach out to any other devs who have not been listed here or from other forums.
Update: Dev's emails were removed by site mods. If you would like to email the people below, you can readily find their email in their user profiles and in their Donate To Me links.
Whitehawkx:
[URL]http://forum.xda-developers.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=3051621[/URL]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=3051621
Dr Honk:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=2785735
Dsexton702:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=3954931
“Hello (dev screen name),
This is (your screen name) from the Galaxy S 4G forums on XDA. If you haven’t heard, the source code for Gingerbread we have been eagerly awaiting was finally released a few weeks ago for our phones. With the source finally released, the limitations our devs had faced before in developing for the SGS4G are now gone, and the path is clear for development of CM7 and MIUI for our phones. I have noticed you have not been around the SGS4G forums recently, but I along with all the other forum members have been hopefully awaiting your return to developing for our phones with the expertise you have shown in all of your many other projects for the SGS4G. As well, the lack of devs on the forum have left many of the still poplar ROM’s unmaintained and not updated to the latest official release. Please come back to developing for the SGS4G for all of us who have spent hours testing and using your ROM’s and show us what your talents can turn these phones into.
Thank you”
I think this is good intended but i fear it wont change anything.
Dont forget soma and airfluip who has been developing for our phones recently.
Krylin said in twitter that he will begin working in a ROM based on GB for our phones. Although he said he will start it today if he doesnt its still good news. I know he can make kernels and roms. Also raver is working. Dsexton said he will get a computer soon and that he needed break. White.... I dont know he droppwd when ki3 leaked. But oh well, lets enjoy or wait.
I've been lurking these forums since this phone came out, with the occasional post here and there.
I have seen people waiting months just for root.
I remember kb5 enhanced was our only ROM for times without end, just to have that developer throw a fit at Mr.Clown for mistakingly closing his thread and leave us hanging.
I remember following Krylon on twitter for what seemed like an eternity, until we finally had cwm on our phones.
Then came the good times.
New roms coming out just about every week, themes, mods, and all the goodies we see on our forums today.
New developers popping up, the formation of teams like aerodonk and acid.
Now we are back in one of these silent periods.
It seems like all development stopped.
But one thing I've learned from these forums is that patience is a virtue.
We go from bad times to good times, to bad again, and so on.
I'm sure there is progress being done right now.
No matter how little, our how long it's taking, it will come.
And a new life cycle will start for our phones.
We just gotta hang tight, get through this metamorphose, and then our phone will come out, greater then before!
Saw on krylons twitter something about doing another rom based off of the gb update so that looks promising.
Also its not just the sgs4g. I own a sensation as well and things have really slowed there too.
I understand everybodys frustration with the length of time that it is taking for us to get new roms. But you have to understand these guys do this in their spare time. And yes, it is true that because of Samsung and t mobile taking forever to release a GB for us made some of the devs loose interest and move to other devices; however, we still have Raver and Krylon on or side, Dsexton will be coming back soon, and hopefully we can get Drhonk and Whitehawx back if not for developing but for at least guidance, tips, and support. I for one have started trying to learn how to do some of this but without a Linux machine it is a bit difficult. But there is no reason some of you can't chip in and try to learn this stuff too. Not to override the few true devs we have, but to assist them.
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Hi Thomas
Please share your knowledge source. I am willing to learn as well, though to tell you the truth, moding and theming couldn't care me less, I'm always into performance and reliability, as well as good RTL and foreign language support (like in CM and MIUI).
Other than that, I'm always on stock theme.
I'm no dev, but I'm considering to become one in the future.
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Hi Thomas
Please share your knowledge source. I am willing to learn as well, though to tell you the truth, moding and theming couldn't care me less, I'm always into performance and reliability, as well as good RTL and foreign language support (like in CM and MIUI).
Other than that, I'm always on stock theme.
I'm no dev, but I'm considering to become one in the future.
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My biggest resources are picking the brain of RaverX3X and google. You can do most everything on a windows machine except mod kernels and make an Odin .tar (for those you need Linux or the ability to run Linux in a vm environment). There are quite a few tutorials out there. You just have to download the right tools to do it, have lots of spare time to devote to it and the gonads to test it.lol... Pm me later with specific questions and I can give you direct links to tutorials that might help you as well.
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i say we make a donation pool. Whoever gives us cm7 or miui first gets the money.
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i say we make a donation pool. Whoever gives us cm7 or miui first gets the money.
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Might not be such a bad idea.
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i say we make a donation pool. Whoever gives us cm7 or miui first gets the money.
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Might want to add the disclaimer it should be officially supported
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i say we make a donation pool. Whoever gives us cm7 or miui first gets the money.
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Interesting idea. The only issue I see is what if we collect money and no one steps up to the plate. Would everyone just get a refund or would the money go towards another cause?
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My biggest resources are picking the brain of RaverX3X and google. You can do most everything on a windows machine except mod kernels and make an Odin .tar (for those you need Linux or the ability to run Linux in a vm environment). There are quite a few tutorials out there. You just have to download the right tools to do it, have lots of spare time to devote to it and the gonads to test it.lol... Pm me later with specific questions and I can give you direct links to tutorials that might help you as well.
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You don't necessarily need Linux in order to make an Odin flashable tar file, I personally use Cygwin to make the modem packages.
Yes I am aware that Cygwin is Linux-like command line, but it is by no means Linux in a VM environment.
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Interesting idea. The only issue I see is what if we collect money and no one steps up to the plate. Would everyone just get a refund or would the money go towards another cause?
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I would rather set a bounty for ICS. CM9 would be a better goal in my opinion.
what happened to CM8? did i miss something?
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I would rather set a bounty for ICS. CM9 would be a better goal in my opinion.
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Well yea, a fund to get us any of the major ROMs cm9 miui or ICS etc..
And idk what we would do with the money if no one delivers.. ideas?
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I remember when i had the galaxy vibrant early this year i was so into the device cause they were a lots of roms here to choose from and thats one of my concerns now for this device now. If you go to the vibrant section there are a lots of 2.2 biulds 2.2.1, 2.3 ,2.3.3 etc etc etc. And they are all different. Including from stock to MIUI and htc Sence. As well as gingerbread and honeycomb. So my question is why the devs didnt work on some builds like those for this device. From my end i really dont care about what number of the OS is as long the build is stable, fast, bloatware free, custom ringtones, wallpapers, and other great thing that i did manage to see on my old vibrant that i no longer own :/
Yesterday my older sister got the galaxy s 2 for tmobile and its so awsome. I have envy in me now jajajajaja xD
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Well yea, a fund to get us any of the major ROMs cm9 miui or ICS etc..
And idk what we would do with the money if no one delivers.. ideas?
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I would leave it as a standing bounty like they did with the HP Touchpad. Someone will jump on it if its large enough.
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jager555 said:
what happened to CM8? did i miss something?
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CM8 was reserved for Honeycomb so ICS will be CM9
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You don't necessarily need Linux in order to make an Odin flashable tar file, I personally use Cygwin to make the modem packages.
Yes I am aware that Cygwin is Linux-like command line, but it is by no means Linux in a VM environment.
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This is true. Which is what I am learning to use now, but I forgot to add that part... Thanks for catching my error. From my understanding, you can use it to modify a kernel as well, but i'm not having very good luck with it yet.
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This is true. Which is what I am learning to use now, but I forgot to add that part... Thanks for catching my error. From my understanding, you can use it to modify a kernel as well, but i'm not having very good luck with it yet.
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This is mere conjecture on my part, but I would assume that you can modify the kernel in Windows as long as your text editor supports Unix-type line endings (Notepad++ works nicely), and then compile it using presumably gcc in Cygwin. Again, this is merely speculation on my part, having only built a Linux kernel on Linux, for my desktop.
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Faux123 is a developer why xda cannot recognize this beyond comprehension.
One of best devs for this phone
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yea I would like to suck him off
c19932 said:
yea I would like to suck him off
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i only donated money
c19932 said:
yea I would like to suck him off
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WTF!!! I just donate!!
Suprah..."no cyanogen, rom manager still fake flashes the roms thats y for nvidia phones we have to use nvflash"
I am new to this whole scene, but gotta say that the Faux rom is tits....whatever happened, I hope it gets fixed soon.
I agree totally. Faux has personally helped me numerous times and his Kernel, Rom and overall knowledge of the G2X and android platform as a whole pushes him out the din and into the realm of Developer IMO. If he doesn't meet the requirements of being a Dev then very few of the supposed "devs" on here do, yet they still get the recognition. Even after his title was removed he's still working hard on his projects and still helping people.
I don't know what happened or why but it's wrong, Faux was wronged and I think a bit less of XDA for it. I'm sure I'm not the first or last to say this so whatever, just my 2 cents that wasn't asked for.
Seriously, what's up with this?
Any admins or mods care to chime in here with the reasoning behind this? This kind of stuff drives devs away, which you can already see happening.
Members go where devs go, come on xda!
I agree Faux is a very dedicated developer who has helped the community a lot and we should drum up support for him to be Recognized.
my thing is that faux is putting out kernels and roms for more than just this phone and the mods and admin guys and girl cannot recognize him shame on them.
yea he is a super nice guy idk what he could of done for that to happen hes to nice lol, faux is one of the best developers hands down, and yea i said it
I agree. Even though I'm new here, it didn't take me long to realize that Faux is one of the most, if not THE most valued developer for this phone. Most other rom developers include his kernals in their roms that they stamp their own names to...if that's not an endorsement, I don't know what is.
There is always two sides to a story. With that being said, im on his titles side.WE dont know what Faux may or my not have done but if the issue is out side of his work it shouldnt effect the title. Admited I maybe the newest guy on here but without Faux's work my G2x wouldn't.
Originally Posted by faux123
Quick Announcement:
CyanogenMod Team has added Apache License 2.0 to many of their files which I have borrowed and modified for my Nexus ROM, so they have kindly asked those who used their code to display their license notices.
I have modified and incorporated their updates to Settings.apk to display all the CyanogenMod licenses in order to comply and give credit to CyanogenMod team's effort and contribution.
Here's a screenshot of the updates.. This is still work in progress (for version 1.2.7 and beyond), once CyanogenMod has completed their license updates to their own releases, my ROM will also display all the appropriate licenses.
BTW, I am taking a break from android for a while, I am going to pick up my guitar lesson again. Android has taken up quite a bit of my free time and I want to get back to my practice (I really suck at playing guitar, but I still want to learn it).
So did CM feel as though Faux wasn't giving credit for their work???? I remember from day one that he always gave credit to CM for all the work that they put in.... I also remember he was forced to change the name of his rom because they were unhappy about it... Seems like they were angry that he was possibly using some of their framework, and were jealous that his rom was receiving way more attention then theirs, leading for them to complain about how he was not giving them the proper credit for work which is why he now has to incorporate these apache license things... Who knows that's just my opinion and if it is the case its BS because like I said before he always gave credit in his threads to the work CM team did... Hopefully Faux gets bored of playing the guitar and playing street fighter and comes back because GOD knows he is needed and wanted here and not just for the G2X but for the android community.
It looks like this under investigation by the mods at this moment and has been for the past few days. Not much more info than that was mentioned since it's between Faux and XDA.
Hopefully this gets settled quickly.
I hope it gets rectified quickly because Faux is the man!!!
Whats the point of this thread? Where is it that it was claimed that he was not a developer? Is it because of the apache licensing that you are all upset?
The only concern that I would have is how the updates are represented from version to version. Looking at the latest release, other than the kernel, none of the changes seem to be any different than that of nightly CM7 but are represented as different or as if written by him. I don't think its intentional and probably just needs to be clarified.
Seriously though, why you all got your panties in a bunch?
Either way, good luck faux... we look forward to seeing you back in the future...
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Now that the Vibrant has an ICS ROM currently under development, and since I have read Vibrant ROM's can be ported to the Samsung Galaxy S 4G, does anyone know how feasible this would be? From my understanding the storage is a bit different (partitioning?) but the hardware in these devices appears very similar.
I've read the post about porting Vibrant ROM's but I've also read a few people haven't had much luck. Since I am on leave this coming week I've decided I'll tinker a bit with the concept, I'm also curious if anyone else has.
No doubt, I wish I had the capability to use the source to begin work on a ROM compiled directly towards the SGS4G, but alas I do not
Any ideas or inputs would be greatly appreciated. I am disappointed in the lack of development for this phone, but I do understand why.
Probably won't happen. We don't even have an aosp kernel compiled that I am aware of. Someone was trying to get the KJ6 kernel edited like drhonks and even that didn't turn out.
The couple devs we have left around here are just doing little tweaks and theaming the stock rom lately.... no real new developing afaik.
Kinda sucks... but this phone is pretty much dead in the water.
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Yea we are struggling to get a dated cm7 so what makes you think we can get something newer than that.
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@camalus But you do have the kernel released for GB by Samsung as of recent, which from what I've seen others are doing to get ICS working on their devices.
@daxecutioner24 If you can't find it, make it.
@EjLIFE Not going krazy over cm7,ill be fine withput it
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People, cm kernel is made, just being tweaked, according to krylon. Lets wait patiently, maybe we'll get cm7, then someone will have enough courage to build ICS
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I'd agree, CM7 would be great to have on this device. And hopefully their development of CM7 could make moving from CM7 to CM9 much more easier. I just know this device should run ICS just as well as the Vibrant, and I've seen people port Vibrant ROM's to the SGS4G so I was curious if one thought their was a faster possibility.
If you are so needy for new ROMs and development then you should do it yourself or be patiently waiting for WIPs the "few" but great developers have announced and not flooding the forum with wine and cheese... Just my two cents... Im just saying...
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If you are so needy for new ROMs and development then you should do it yourself or be patiently waiting for WIPs the "few" but great developers have announced and not flooding the forum with wine and cheese... Just my two cents... Im just saying...
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Why do people always respond like this.
He's not whining or demanding anything. Just a thread of some questions and inquiries he was having. No need to semi slam him.
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I know, the devs are great and i feel bad for them for having to put up with alot of crap from other members , but sometimes the devs are assholes too.
Actually, my inquiry was related to the idea of porting the ROM from the Vibrant to this device myself, and asking if anyone with knowledge of doing so if it was even a worthy attempt.
I'm also going to say I have noticed the Samsung side of XDA seems to have only a few developers with knowledge and insight and TONs of people waiting for a chance to flame others. Here is a hint: your post is entirely unconstructive. It isn't your job to protect the developers and when you hop into a thread to shoot your two cents of flame it only details. You are also potentially pushing away the progress others might make by being a douche.
Thanks.
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Actually, my inquiry was related to the idea of porting the ROM from the Vibrant to this device myself, and asking if anyone with knowledge of doing so if it was even a worthy attempt.
I'm also going to say I have noticed the Samsung side of XDA seems to have only a few developers with knowledge and insight and TONs of people waiting for a chance to flame others. Here is a hint: your post is entirely unconstructive. It isn't your job to protect the developers and when you hop into a thread to shoot your two cents of flame it only details. You are also potentially pushing away the progress others might make by being a douche.
Thanks.
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Agreed,people believe too much on these devs.like fanboys.respect them and thats it..no need to defend them every chance you get
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People devs are those who just are better at handling java better then you are. Java = android, not coffee. Anyone can be a dev. I used to suck at all this.
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Yes. I get all your comments about how no good is to flame. I dont really care. Just to begin with. I only posted that because people only do is ask and complain about the "few" devs that only do theme-ing and/or their little so called development. Thats flameful and disrespectful itself because if you want some ICS, you can enjoy Ravers Octane. It may not be ICS but you get my idea. This is an old phone, everybody knows that and we just got GB source a few weeks ago. Its not going to be rainning ROMs instantly. Also, GB is older than the phone itself. The Vibrant has been around for maybe 2 years and many people jumped in the first round of Galaxys, probably skipped this Vibrant Plus so then we dont get many users or devs, therefore why so little development. ICS just got out and is available on like three phones whereas the GB have been around and phones now even come with it while we had to start from froyo...
Bah this is pointless debating. Im just sick of these threads talking sh!+ about development here. Everyone should be grateful of what we have. Again, you want something made then do it yourself. Like it or not, its simple like that.
I wont be visiting this so much contributive thread with my so much non contributive posts. And dont mind critizing my typos, English is not my first language.
All of you should call down.
Op, i remember seeing a thread on how to port any vibrant ROM to the sgs4g. It was pretty detailed and very good. Try looking into that to see if you could get a working ics from the vibrant
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Same thing, since our phone is so different, wouldn't we need an ICS bootloader and or kernel source for ICS for it to work. CM7 may be here in a month, but ICS won't be here until a year after CM9 comes out, if at all. So, just wait for your 2 year tmo contract to end and switch to sprint and get the galaxy nexus 2(possibly 2012).
David1239 said:
I know, the devs are great and i feel bad for them for having to put up with alot of crap from other members , but sometimes the devs are assholes too.
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Can't we all just get along?
airfluip1 said:
Same thing, since our phone is so different, wouldn't we need an ICS bootloader and or kernel source for ICS for it to work. CM7 may be here in a month, but ICS won't be here until a year after CM9 comes out, if at all. So, just wait for your 2 year tmo contract to end and switch to sprint and get the galaxy nexus 2(possibly 2012).
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I was looking into this and i thought that the port was able to use the gb bootloaders. I'm not sure about it, though.
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As of right now, I am modifying and reviewing the code in the KVM folders in both sources. I just need to know as to who is doing what. It would be a LOT easier for anyone who is trying to port the CM GB Kernel to our phone. So far it is taking me all night long just to do ONE file. If I can get help with this. It will mean that we will get CM7 running on our phone soon.
i pm'ed you the link to krylon's source. Have a look at that.
Could we not port it from the Vibrant as described here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1099454
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As of right now, I am modifying and reviewing the code in the KVM folders in both sources.
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KVM folders?
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I just need to know as to who is doing what.
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AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
pwner5889 said:
It would be a LOT easier for anyone who is trying to port the CM GB Kernel to our phone. So far it is taking me all night long just to do ONE file. If I can get help with this. It will mean that we will get CM7 running on our phone soon.
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I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.
bhundven said:
KVM folders?
AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.
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You have got me past excited now lol im waiting patientlly as possible best of luck to ya... End transmission lol
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bhundven said:
KVM folders?
AFAIK, Krylon360 isn't working on cm7 for sgs4g anymore.
I have the kernel almost working and should have something very soon.
RaverX3X has worked on the rom, and we are still testing and debugging a bootloop issue.
I know you guys are really-super excited for cm7. The most you can do to help is wait and be patient! Trust me... soon.
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I knew someone was already working on it. I just wanted to help out a little. Yes, the KVM folders inside the vir. (I think?)
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I knew someone was already working on it. I just wanted to help out a little. Yes, the KVM folders inside the vir. (I think?)
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Sorry dude, I still have no clue what you are talking about.
Maybe provide full paths to what you're talking about?
If you searched around, or read under "Plans" in the OP of my kernel thread (serious everyone... it's been there for quite some time!) or search through Q&A or General, you will find me talking about the progress of where I'm at whenever someone brings up another cm7 or kernel thread.
I will also plan on updating the OP in that thread or at least point to a new thread... when something happens.
Something is being worked on, but unless you are experienced with android/kernel system development, sit back and relax. There are a few gb roms to play with, fb's debloat tool, if you hate wifi/4g reception or want bln/voodoo sound, go check out froyo roms (don't forget about bootloaders ).
Relax, if you want something good, you have to wait.
Replied to the wrong thread.
Nice i cant wait for cm7 port. Loved it with my g2 and cm6 with my old g1
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Bh is already really close.
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Bh is already really close.
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please stop.
I know you are excited. You get me on chat and say hi, then log out. You ask me all the time for status... while I'm at work, doing work stuff. I can't touch this stuff while I'm at work, cause I don't get paid to do this, I get paid to do my work.
And no. I'm not "really close". There is plenty of stuff for me to figure out, and the ammount of time i'd spend telling you what is going on, I could be working on it.
I spend LESS THEN 20% of my time on this stuff, and nothing has changed from last night. There is nothing 'newer' then that.
Status: I'm not done. Nothing is ready yet. Check the forum for updates. I have no ETAs. Relax, go watch tv, hiking, learn to surf... do something. Gimme time. (btw, this is why I don't like adding people to my gtalk.)
Geez, sorry. Didn't have to flame me.
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OK, If we want CM7. can someone at least tell me where to start. If I look at Bhundven's source, what do I do. I have the resource to do so.
Dude just leave it be, no offence but its people like you that discourage people from deving. Best of luck bh
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OK, If we want CM7. can someone at least tell me where to start. If I look at Bhundven's source, what do I do. I have the resource to do so.
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Go to google and learn how to edit and compile the Linux kernel. I don't know anything about editing kernels either and that's where I'd start. Before you ask why you need to learn about Linux you should know that Android is based on Linux.
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Dude just leave it be, no offence but your the type of person who discourages people from deving best of luck to bh
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Its comments like that ... that discourage people from helping. Whether you have a problem with air or not you should still keep your comments to yourself. I have not ever even seen you attempt to help someone with anything yet you believe you have the right to bash others for trying.
P.S. When you just say "no offense" and then say something offensive, it does not make it ok.
no offense...
jigglynuts said:
Its comments like that ... that discourage people from helping. Whether you have a problem with air or not you should still keep your comments to yourself. I have not ever even seen you attempt to help someone with anything yet you believe you have the right to bash others for trying.
P.S. When you just say "no offense" and then say something offensive, it does not make it ok.
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Jiggly... if I may,
While I agree on the double standard on 'no offense', the point being made is that there is a link at the bottom of my signature that says 'github'.
If you venture there, you find repositories. The ones with the readme files are the 'useful' files.
If you want me to spoon feed the young, I will need more arms.
I wish this community would embrace the saying 'RTM'. It's all there. Black and White (depending on your system settings ). There is more then one forum on xda, and other phone forums based on the galaxy s phone also provide tips on building cyanogen. And the commands are only slightly different.
At this point with my source, a build if it builds would not work at all. I'm experimenting around with a few local repo's that are not on github. And when that stuff works, I totally plan on putting up a [REF] thread here in general on building sgs4g cm7 from source.
I don't plan on doing this any sooner then it working, because you don't need to be bricking your phone... right!?!
If you are an android developer and know how to build cm7, you would have found the manifest and never looked back. forked repositories, sent me pull requests to merge your code into my tree... so we can work together.
On one hand, I don't want to baby sit 'wanna be' developers that have no clue what they are getting into, because I don't want to play Q&A with them. It eats up all my time on making this stuff work in the first place.
On the other hand, there are real developers out there who know what to do, but might need some help. I do not want to push these people away, because they will just go and all I have to do is merge.
I cannot agree with you more BH. I appreciate all the work that you do for our phones community and my post was not a comment towards you at all.
I cannot even imagine trying to develop and help people with their questions as much as possible along the way. I know that every minute you are answering questions that is one less minute you are using your "CM7 time" to develop.
My post was simply stating that if you do absolutely NOTHING for the community (lowsnamebrand)... don't bash others for trying. I know people that were asking noob questions 6 to 8 months ago that are developing roms for other devices.
I do apologize if I offended you as that was not my intention whatsoever. I just hate seeing people shoot others down and bash others for trying. Whether you love airfluip or hate him, you cannot deny that he does try to help as much as possible. He asks what he can do to help (which may annoy people but i feel he really wants to help), answers peoples questions, developed AOSP rom and deals with a lot of the same "hand holding" helping people to flash roms.
Again, I am sorry if I offended you but my comment was not in reference to you or your work at all. Thanks for all that you do BH.
and airfluip1
jigglynuts said:
I cannot agree with you more BH. I appreciate all the work that you do for our phones community and my post was not a comment towards you at all.
I cannot even imagine trying to develop and help people with their questions as much as possible along the way. I know that every minute you are answering questions that is one less minute you are using your "CM7 time" to develop.
My post was simply stating that if you do absolutely NOTHING for the community (lowsnamebrand)... don't bash others for trying. I know people that were asking noob questions 6 to 8 months ago that are developing roms for other devices.
I do apologize if I offended you as that was not my intention whatsoever. I just hate seeing people shoot others down and bash others for trying. Whether you love airfluip or hate him, you cannot deny that he does try to help as much as possible. He asks what he can do to help (which may annoy people but i feel he really wants to help), answers peoples questions, developed AOSP rom and deals with a lot of the same "hand holding" helping people to flash roms.
Again, I am sorry if I offended you but my comment was not in reference to you or your work at all. Thanks for all that you do BH.
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Haha, nah man. Airfluip1 is young and full of "go'get'em". I was like that once. A couple people gave me **** and I started reading everything I could get my hands on because I never wanted to be 'that guy'. He just needs the thwack over the head to go read more. (google, it works!)
Airfluip1 thinks that I am making daily progress on this. I'm not.
The only reason I said anything in the first place is because he keeps pumping up other user's saying "Oh, bh is gonna get cm7 out soon!" which really isn't being honest to other users. If I can get SKILLED help, then we can get cm7 out sooner. But I don't want to teach people stuff that they could find/learn on google. If you can't figure that out, don't ask to help me. It just annoys me.
My response to your post was supposed to have some <snarky> and <sarcasm> tags, I musta failed
I hope you laughed at the "if I may,"
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is there any possibility that ICS rom is ported to INFUSE 4G?
Fail...you know what, I'm not going to flame you. How about you go to the other bajillion threads on noobs asking for ICS and consider the flaming there "yours."
And you'd think after being a member since 09, you would read first...
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Fail...you know what, I'm not going to flame you. How about you go to the other bajillion threads on noobs asking for ICS and consider the flaming there "yours."
And you'd think after being a member since 09, you would read first...
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Will Samsung release an ICS update For us
No
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What about a "leak"
No...lol
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aly_hosny said:
What about a "leak"
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You can't have ice cream until you're done eating yogurt. When you're full, you can have gingerbread. After gingerbread, you can trade it in for a Captivate and put ice cream on it.
Or just buy a phone that is actually supported by samy... Us Infusers are just going to be perpetually left out of the freezer... No sammiches for us
problem around here is the developers never wanted to work with what we have. froyo alone has a ton of potential left in it but with Sammy dangling gb in our faces the devs that made the infuse what it is just got to a point that it was a waiting game and they got tired of waiting. I think the best plan is to work with what we have and make the most out of it. stop jerking around wanting what's not there and just make the most of what is there. froyo on the galaxy s was miles beyond the infuse to the point I was uneasy about upgrading to gb on my cappy.
infuse owners have to realize the infuse has an expiration date. next time get an international flasgship or something closely related to it, that or a nexus where you will have updates for several years coming.
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problem around here is the developers never wanted to work with what we have. froyo alone has a ton of potential left in it but with Sammy dangling gb in our faces the devs that made the infuse what it is just got to a point that it was a waiting game and they got tired of waiting. I think the best plan is to work with what we have and make the most out of it. stop jerking around wanting what's not there and just make the most of what is there. froyo on the galaxy s was miles beyond the infuse to the point I was uneasy about upgrading to gb on my cappy.
infuse owners have to realize the infuse has an expiration date. next time get an international flasgship or something closely related to it, that or a nexus where you will have updates for several years coming.
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Hey, everyone, I just thought I'd help translate some jargon for the n00bz ... It'd look amateur without it, like a map without a color key, you know?
around here: xda-developers.com, one website and, really, only a little section of it.
froyo: three versions ago in the operating system of topic
jerking around wanting what's not there: asking for current software (...the nerve!!)
sammy: Samsung Electronics Co., or its $220bn parent company Samsung Group (total 2010 revenue)
dangling gb: Samsung's apparent plans to produce, release, and support Android v.2.3, Gingerbread ("gb")
cappy: Samsung Captivate, released July 2010 in U.S.
"froyo ... miles beyond the infuse" : Unintelligible
Okay, I hope I did a good job. Now, if the n00bz keep asking questions, we can do them the service of making our language transparent! Why they won't just get it is astounding... I mean, who would ask questions about new software, anyway?? Just blows my mind... and who could make the mistake of thinking there might be a straight answer about something promising, that is, the new practical features of Ice Cream Sandwich (Android v.4) on a forum dweller's tongue is just plain offensive! Enduring such ignorance is hard, but I suppose it's a must. Live & let live... keep up the tolerance, fellow Infusers.
point taken I guess. what is annoying is the xda moderators have 2 search engines. on is xda wide Google assisted and the other is forum/thread based, not only that but when you create a new thread it suggests threads on similar topics you should read before posting the thread right in your face. yet this will not be the last ics request or "is it available" thread... but I wasn't gonna go there.
as far as ics. it needs a really talented dev to find ways to interface the proprietary stuff from gb to ics. even if we got a bootable version it would possibly be months before it was usable as more than a music player. the galaxy s is very lucky to have a number of talented devs and a closer relationship to the nexus s. even though the rom end could be taken from the galaxy s the kernel would be a big undertaking due to different GPS, Bluetooth, radio, screen, and other componants.
Hm .. lots to think about, there .
Holding these abandoned devices in your hand makes you pine daily for updates on developers' progress toward what would appear to be inevitable. If it isn't, it is a commercial atrocity
By "interface," there, do you mean device emulation or rewritten device drivers? i'm attempting to assess the nature of the challenge, less so its magnitude. i do appreciate both this and the frustration with lazy users.
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physivic said:
Hm .. lots to think about, there .
Holding these abandoned devices in your hand makes you pine daily for updates on developers' progress toward what would appear to be inevitable. If it isn't, it is a commercial atrocity
By "interface," there, do you mean device emulation or rewritten device drivers? i'm attempting to assess the nature of the challenge, less so its magnitude. i do appreciate both this and the frustration with lazy users.
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it could be emulation or I guess some kind of wrapper. like how Linux can use windows wifi drivers on a PC. driver rewrites need source code and/or documentation I would think.
I don't know the technical details but I know entropy has brought up things that have changed that may be hard to port. maybe if the cm9 team actually had an infuse. they have some real talent but the problem is getting it in the hands of an interested member of the team.
we lucked out with Linux bozo but I don't think its typical for a device to get a cm port without the cm team having involvement if the kernel is unique. on many older HTC phones kernels are somewhat cross compatible so those phones are a little more able to share development.
who releases kernels
! Who is responsible for developing/releasing kernels ???
For ics, no one
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For ifs, no one
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If someone could come to us, then it would be great. I was thinking maybe we could get DA_G to come over, except idk if he would want to deal with such hard hardware. And to people saying cm9, we do not necissarily need that. Any kind of aosp would be nice.
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If someone could come to us, then it would be great. I was thinking maybe we could get DA_G to come over, except idk if he would want to deal with such hard hardware. And to people saying cm9, we do not necissarily need that. Any kind of aosp would be nice.
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I know but come on really, I mess around with what others build and I have also have a sky, I don't submit my stuff because frankly half the time it sucks, and I don't have the time to mess with bugs, I've been building rom since windows 5.1 and I can tell you that ics would suck on this phone, not enough ram, yes you can do it but, it would suck
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Zeus 6 with ics revamped theme, or are you looking for legit ics?
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I know but come on really, I mess around with what others build and I have also have a sky, I don't submit my stuff because frankly half the time it sucks, and I don't have the time to mess with bugs, I've been building rom since windows 5.1 and I can tell you that ics would suck on this phone, not enough ram, yes you can do it but, it would suck
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432100 proof it can be done... and it looks nice haha.
I know it can, but it seems pointless, but I guess we are here to test, so I was wrong in my comment
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Just curious, but...
It seems like, as of late, someone starts to build a new ROM, then stops updating after 2 or 3 rc's, leaving the ROM unfinished. I understand the ROMs are created in someone's spare time, but why start a ROM if you never intend to finish it? Why not finish it before you start something else, or just delete the development thread so we're not sitting here waiting for the next release that never seems to come? No offense to anyone, just curious.
Roms are never really finished you can always add new functions
, themes etc.
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Just curious, but...
It seems like, as of late, someone starts to build a new ROM, then stops updating after 2 or 3 rc's, leaving the ROM unfinished. I understand the ROMs are created in someone's spare time, but why start a ROM if you never intend to finish it? Why not finish it before you start something else, or just delete the development thread so we're not sitting here waiting for the next release that never seems to come? No offense to anyone, just curious.
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Quit flashing ROMs since you'll never have a 100% guarantee that someone will finish a ROM. Go back to stock GB which has a bad modem and reboot problems. Oh wait, Samsung didn't exactly give you a good ROM either.
Why is it that if the ROM never gets a final version its assumed its unfinished? The unfinished ROMs, ics mutt, cm7, miui, are all still works in progress (well maybe not miui, not sure of it's future). Seems to me everything else is fully functional and doesn't require anything else.
All the the most recent ones, unnamed, vb, icbinb, scom, these are problem free. Just find the right kernel and modem for your phone and they qualify as finished.
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Im still updating mine but this post makes me not want to
And like the post above me said the title doesnt have to be final for it to be final. Also, the dev can choose to start a new rom bc people want the new mod they are bringing to it along with a new theme and tweaks.
So thank you devs for the many roms you guys release.
if you ain't first you're last
I think you should aim to non beta ROMs. At least this way you know you get a fully functional ROM. Regarding Final version, forget about it. Won't happen, won't be announced.
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I think you should aim to non beta ROMs. At least this way you know you get a fully functional ROM. Regarding Final version, forget about it. Won't happen, won't be announced.
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Final version of which are u sure won't be announced?
if you ain't first you're last
most developers acknowledge that there are going to be some dev cycles involved in their releases. I guess some non-developers either don't realize that or haven't picked up on that yet.
Nothing's perfect so take it as it is and don't complain, and if it has a "final" tag on it, it just means the developer is done working on it. Beggars can't be choosers, and choosers can download the source and modify it themselves (or fsck it up even more ).
Quit your belly aching dude, instead, a little appreciation would be a welcome change. We have so many different options to choose from. And every time my noob ass bricks my phone these guys have a post on how to fix it. Fb is right, go back to stock if it bothers you so much, but I'll stick with my 2 day battery life.
side note: on dictionary. com the word of the day is ungrateful turdlicker.
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I think that people get desperate when devs release and early version of a rom instead of an almost final. I think it would be best to release the "final" version to public and since there are many devs with the phone and so many wise users that know how to test and report correctly. In my humble opinion, a dev should pick a group of testers, silently and then release a "final" that probably would have 0 to very few changes. That way devs don't get pissed when people ask same questions and bring up many problems.
I have no problem testing or trying alpha, beta, charlie, delta......... zeta releases, but my concern is with devs releasing lots of projects and getting mad by people asking how to this and how to that. Yeah, read... blablabla yadda yadda... I know no one is in the obligation of doing nothing, either flash or develop or answer questions or help. Thing is that this is a community very diverse and noobs are going to be noobs, haters gonna hate and passive people will be passive...
No need to flame the OP. I think it's a good question, tho.
considering i no longer have a sgs4g it would be hard to update it. The rom itself is fine.. Don't see an issue. If you don't like the theme change it. If you don't like the rom learn how to make your own.
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I think that people get desperate when devs release and early version of a rom instead of an almost final. I think it would be best to release the "final" version to public and since there are many devs with the phone and so many wise users that know how to test and report correctly. In my humble opinion, a dev should pick a group of testers, silently and then release a "final" that probably would have 0 to very few changes. That way devs don't get pissed when people ask same questions and bring up many problems.
I have no problem testing or trying alpha, beta, charlie, delta......... zeta releases, but my concern is with devs releasing lots of projects and getting mad by people asking how to this and how to that. Yeah, read... blablabla yadda yadda... I know no one is in the obligation of doing nothing, either flash or develop or answer questions or help. Thing is that this is a community very diverse and noobs are going to be noobs, haters gonna hate and passive people will be passive...
No need to flame the OP. I think it's a good question, tho.
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When a rom is release an OP comes with it where bugs known are said from the get go. As for bug reported devs are fine with them as long as logs are attached and they are real bugs and not just "I want a better theme" or "how do I install this rom".
As for flaming, it's actually a rule that we can't do this to one another on xda.
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With posts like this, why even try?
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With posts like this, why even try?
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Yup I don't think people appreciate the time put in. And the reason we get early releases is because we all want something new, and we can help bug test. But eh.
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Eric, what if we say "no offense " before we flame someone... Then it's cool right?
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Eric, what if we say "no offense " before we flame someone... Then it's cool right?
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Nope, if you read my posts I'm not flaming the guy but I am sharing my view on this. I haven't insulted the OP but like him shared my view on why roms get released early and why we don't get final builds.
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Oh
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Lmao now idk if you're trying to imply something on me or you're being genuine lol
But yea we all have our opinions but this kind of thread discourages devs and before we get a troll saying that's a lie just look up and you'll see thomas(a dev) doensnt like this.
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Don't get me wrong. I appreciate all dev work even if it's "unfinished" or w/e. Is just that this kind of discussion has been around since the beginning and people knew this phone ain't easy. Not trying to discourage any further development.
Lol, I'm just being extremely sarcastic, dude should try fb's vb by raver, that thing is tits!
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