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With source dropping for the dhd and how easy interoperability between our phones is do we need 2 different forums? Seems it would be easier on you guys if things merged.
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I agree. Now that the source is out it would make sense.
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it would be much easier for the DEVS which is more important. they wouldnt have to maintain 2 different threads for the same ROM, Theme or Kernel as well..
Very good point.
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so how do we initiate this or would the Mods even entertain this idea at this point since both forums have been established..
I suggest we work with the mods on this. I'll report my own thread to get some eyes on it.
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sounds like a plan..
yes please merge us!
I agree with this. There's a lot of threads I've seen today that are directing you to the DHD forum for further information/troubleshooting - why not make them the same rather than having to post everything twice, or making devs/users have to jump back and forth?
I have to disagree. I prefer the forums seperate.
I could care less what the people in Europe are doing with their Desire HDs. The Inspire is a US phone on AT&T. It has a seperate identity.
Keep in mind even though they are pretty much the same phone, they run on different networks, have different radio software, and are supported by different cell providers. People's experiences will be different than their European counterparts.
Please keep them seperate.
you do realize that almost everything in our forums are from the europe DHD forums right??? so why have 2?
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you do realize that almost everything in our forums are from the europe DHD forums right??? so why have 2?
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I think 2 just to keep it simpler. so that the threads arent filled with issues from the inspire in the desire thread and desire in an inspire thread.
if the dev part is merged to make it better for them is one thing, but you still need att specific sub forum for all the posts that are att specific.
The Dev secton right now is NOT the biggest part of this device forum, all the att specific issues are...
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if the dev part is merged to make it better for them is one thing, but you still need att specific sub forum for all the posts that are att specific.
The Dev secton right now is NOT the biggest part of this device forum, all the att specific issues are...
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A European ROM flashed with the kernel just released by apache14 works out of the box with no further user tweaking.
I have a feeling that all the rom chefs of Europe will be building their own kernels based on the source that dropped yesterday which is universal, and includes the variations to the American and Canadian DHDs.
I agree that a sub forum may be needed in General but not Dev.
yeah I'm not seeing anything that makes this device any different from the DHD device. The DHD forum isn't limited to 1 single carrier so i'm still not seeing your point of keeping it separate...
worst case scenario look at how the Motorola Milestone and Verizon Drioid forum is laid out.. maybe something similar
and besides the DEV section will start becoming the biggest part of our forums now that ROMS and Kernels are out
Also keep in mind that there are a lot of people who like me have no intention of rooting or modding their phone. So the DEV section is useless to people like me.
I used to jailbreak my iPhone for years, but got bored doing it. The only reason I flashed a custom ROM on my Captivate was cause you had to, being that the stock 2.1 was terrible.
Currently outside of the fact that the back speaker is terrible on the Inspire, I am completely happy the way the phone is. I don't feel I need to flash custom ROMs to get a phone to work the way it should. The Inspire currently works just dandy.
So don't assume everyone is into modding.
there is always the search function. That always helps. Besides where as I know that not ALL people root and load custom roms there are a good portion that do and since that is what the majority do on XDA (D=Developers) then I don't know how relevant your argument is on that one.
did you look at the motorola forum I previously mentioned to you?
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Also keep in mind that there are a lot of people who like me have no intention of rooting or modding their phone. So the DEV section is useless to people like me.
I used to jailbreak my iPhone for years, but got bored doing it. The only reason I flashed a custom ROM on my Captivate was cause you had to, being that the stock 2.1 was terrible.
Currently outside of the fact that the back speaker is terrible on the Inspire, I am completely happy the way the phone is. I don't feel I need to flash custom ROMs to get a phone to work the way it should. The Inspire currently works just dandy.
So don't assume everyone is into modding.
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Why are you using this forum then? No offense but if I wasn't in to modding my device I would use another less development oriented one like androidforum or something. Most people on xda DEVELOPERS are into development. But I am with you on keeping the dhd and inspire forums separate or at least the dev sections and my only logic on that is because of the sound issues but if the source being released fixes this than I guess there's no point. As far as general I could care less.......
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Why are you using this forum then? No offense but if I wasn't in to modding my device I would use another less development oriented one like androidforum or something. Most people on xda DEVELOPERS are into development. But I am with you on keeping the dhd and inspire forums separate or at least the dev sections and my only logic on that is because of the sound issues but if the source being released fixes this than I guess there's no point. As far as general I could care less.......
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Although I am not really into custom ROMs, I still think this is a great forum to hang out. Plus I think you get a more mature crowd on here who are a bit more techie oriented.
I also read on Androidforums.com and like how they have a separate section for every phone. I think it works, but then again on there I don't think you get the same kind of conversations as you get on here.
As far as what Gunny said, I don't really see a lot of DesireHD stuff in the general section of the Inspire forum. I am sure you do in the DEV section, but so far almost all the threads I see in here are all about the Inspire.
i would be curious to add a poll to this thread.. so far I am only seeing 1 maybe 2 people that may not agree. I'd love to see what general consensus states...
Loving the work that's been done here so far... but after downloading and installing not one, but two different 200+MB-sized roms listed as non-sense when they're really sense-based ROMS that have had sense elements stripped from them, can we be a little more definitive in the composure of these custom ROMs?
I need a TRULY non-sense ROM (vanilla based). Sense-based ROMs don't work with the WiiRemote Controller IME, and neither of these "non-sense" ROMs in this forum work with it, because they still lack the element that Vanilla android has but Sense ROMs exclude (can not recall the exact element but still).
I think it'd be reasonable to list Sense-stripped ROMs as "de-sensed" and truly non-sense ROMS (built off of Vanilla Android) "non-sense".
I admit, Most of you on here compiling these roms know a whole lot more about this than I do, so I could be mistaken about something (in which case I'll stand corrected). I'm just getting tired of taking the time that it does to download and install these seemingly gigantic ROMs (as I recall a truly Vanilla ROM is usually only 40-50MBs at most, not 200+) to find out they're not ultimately doing what I need them to.
One of, if not the utmost reason I've rooted my MyTouch4gS is to utilize the WiiRemoteController IME for use with the emulators. I might just have to wait until Cyanogenmod jumps on board with this phone to get a truly vanilla-based ROM ::shrugs:: who knows. If someone out there knows how to accomplish this, I anxiously await your efforts. Thanks =)
---edited my original post, I can see how the one instance of my use of the word "claim" might make the frustrations of my original post offend them, though no name calling or finger pointing was intended, my bad---
It looks like someone is trying to get his post count up. Lmfao. LEARN HOW TO READ THE TITLE OF OP. If you cant read thats NOT the devs fault. My title is clear as day. Weird how your the only one complaining of an issue thats not even an issue. I saw a commercial for hooked on phonics. Its on sell for 49.99 plus tax. Might be a great investment for you. Rather then bash developers for your own inability to read titles and ops I would get that book.
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Oh and true vanilla aosp roms is not 40-50mb its 80-110mb. Just fyi.
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We didn't make an error..I'm sure undead would agree ” senseless” means removing the htc overlay that is put over android....launcher, lock screen, widgets and other bloatware no typical user ..uses or understands....a ” senseless rom is just what we provided ....now let me clarify ...if it was a ” vanilla” rom the word ”senseless ” would be of no use because it would be AOSP which clearly isnt sense..also if we took every component out of the rom containing anything sense it would still be..sense lol AOSP isnt stripped down per say it is compiled from source .....I'm glad you like our work but when undead or myself or both of us decide to take the time to do AOSp or whatever you will know...
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Loving the work that's been done here so far... but after downloading and installing not one, but two different 200+MB-sized roms claiming to be non-sense when they're really sense-based ROMS that have had sense elements stripped from them, can we PLEASE be a little more difinitive in the composure of these custom ROMs?
I need a TRUELY non-sense ROM (vanilla based). Sense-based ROMs don't work with the WiiRemote Controller IME, and neither of these "non-sense" ROMs in this forum work with it, because they still lack the element that Vanilla android has but Sense ROMs exclude (can not recall the exact element but still).
I think it'd be reasonable to list Sense-stripped ROMs as "de-sensed" and truely non-sense ROMS (built off of Vanilla Android) "non-sense".
I admit, Most of you on here compiling these roms know a whole lot more about this than I do, so I could be mistaken about something (in which case I'll stand corrected). I'm just getting tired of taking the time that it does to download and install these seemingly gigantic ROMs (as I recall a truely Vanilla ROM is usually only 40-50MBs at most, not 200+) to find out they're not ultimately doing what I need them to.
One of, if not the utmost reason I've rooted my MyTouch4gS is to utilize the WiiRemoteController IME for use with the emulators. I might just have to wait until Cyanogenmod jumps on board with this phone to get a truely vanilla-based ROM ::shrugs:: who knows. If someone out there knows how to accomplish this, I anxiously await your efforts. Thanks =)
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Truly AOSP-based ROMs will not come for a while. I'm not sure if someone has started a device tree for CM7 or not. It needs to be done otherwise.
No one will be "compiling" ROMs until the above is done. It's 7zipping all the way to the top until then!
Even when we do get AOSP based ROMs, don't expect them to work as well as Sense based ROMs for a LONG time. Even then, it may never be the same level of quality (even though it'll likely be a lot faster)
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We didn't make an error..I'm sure undead would agree ” senseless” means removing the htc overlay that is put over android....launcher, lock screen, widgets and other bloatware no typical user ..uses or understands....a ” senseless rom is just what we provided ....now let me clarify ...if it was a ” vanilla” rom the word ”senseless ” would be of no use because it would be AOSP which clearly isnt sense..also if we took every component out of the rom containing anything sense it would still be..sense lol AOSP isnt stripped down per say it is compiled from source .....I'm glad you like our work but when undead or myself or both of us decide to take the time to do AOSp or whatever you will know...
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Thank you for your more civilized response. I did not intend to imply that you or undead made an error by any means. I apologise (to you, not him, if he had been a little more civilized I might be more remorseful) for any offense I may have brought to you. That was not my intent.
I only intended to bring stronger definition between senseless and AOSP. Which you've provided me and I now understand where I was wrong. It was my mistake, as I understood the concepts of building AOSP from the source and stripping a sense-based ROM, but did not previously realize that what I was looking for was an AOSP ROM built from source and not a sense-less ROM. Given your explanation, I agree and now understand what I previously did not comprehend.
And undead - What are you 12? I wasn't bashing anyone nor did I intend to. You clearly took my meaning completely wrong. I'm confused, it says you joined this community a month ago. Where do you get off trolling a member of this community who's been around here 2 years longer than you have? Cool your jets. Lets try and keep this place civilized and not act like children. If you misunderstand someone or think that someone's being offensive, please take an approach more similar to how computerkid handled the situation. It was simply a misunderstanding and, as such, did not require name calling or any of the absurdly superfluous (if you don't understand the meaning of that word, perhaps you should get some hooked on phonics) insults you've thrown my way. I'm not really going to designate any kind of response past this defense. I'm not trying to troll, these are merely the 2 cents I've earned after what you've just unnecessarily expressed. Chill out dude.
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Truly AOSP-based ROMs will not come for a while. I'm not sure if someone has started a device tree for CM7 or not. It needs to be done otherwise.
No one will be "compiling" ROMs until the above is done. It's 7zipping all the way to the top until then!
Even when we do get AOSP based ROMs, don't expect them to work as well as Sense based ROMs for a LONG time. Even then, it may never be the same level of quality (even though it'll likely be a lot faster)
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Thanks for the knowledge.
Sorry for posting in this forum, I posted it here because it was a request for any ROMs being posted here in the future, which seemed to bear some relevance until I stood corrected (which I do).
The only other time I've rooted a Sense-based phone was when I ended up rooting my MyTouch3G Slide months after I had owned it, when CM was already available for it. So I didn't previously realize what an endeavor it is to achieve what I'm waiting for.
Given the information I've obtained from this thread, it makes a lot of sense that it would take some time.
Mods please remove this crap out of the development thread. This users inability to read ops is the root cause of his issue and common sense woulda helped him resolve this ”issue” ! He also created a thread JUST LIKE THIS in my nonsense thread, computerkid23 tasteless venom thread, and in the general section of the mytouch 4g slide.
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So far the devs all seem pretty clear about how they just removed the Sense overlay/UI or some of the Sense / mySense elements and I also hope they continue to be as definitive; it doesn't seem like they're cliaming they're AOSP-based. Usually devs will post when a ROM is AOSP-based or CM7-based so you'll know what you're getting yourself into, and the devs thus far have done a respectable job of defining what they've done, which is for the most part, take the stock ROM and remove just about as much as possible to streamline things.
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Mods please remove this crap out of the development thread. This users inability to read ops is the root cause of his issue and common sense woulda helped him resolve this ”issue” ! He also created a thread JUST LIKE THIS in my nonsense thread, computerkid23 tasteless venom thread, and in the general section of the mytouch 4g slide.
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Wow youre a piece of work.
It was relevant in the development thread to start, as it was a request for future development (duh). two mere comments in other threads (that did pertain to the ROMs in particular, where this one pertains to future ROMs) is hardly cross-posting as youre acusing me of. And what post in the general thread are you even speaking of? Ive never even been in the general thread for this phone. Youre loosing your mind.
This thread however is clearly no longer relevant because it was based on a misunderstanding of what i was actually looking for. Again... How old are you? I swear my 3 year old nephew is better tempered than you are lol.
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Not to fan the flames but the development section is for active development not requests those go in general or q&a but we didn't get a q&a in our sub forum
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Ok guys enough already. Dev is not for requests or Question threads. I have moved this thread to General. Now as for the rudeness IT STOPS or you will be on the wrong side of a ban. Plan and simple. If you are looking for a certain aspect of a rom please do your research on the rom. If you dont see if something is supported ask the Dev about it. As for the thing you are looking for, if the source code is available then you can build one from source. But with the lack of things i see I am not sure if it is even released.
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Okay, so I'm too new to XDA to post in the developers thread, so I'm asking here: I have been flashing LC'a CM9 builds for the Desire HD on my Inspire 4g and am very excited about it.everything works enough for me to make it a daily driver. However, I'm getting three soft keys on the screen, under the dock. I'm assuming these are the keys for a real DHD, where we have hard keys already. Was wondering if a: anyone else is getting them, and b: if/how they can be turned off.
Note: I didn't search the development thread, because I've read dang near every post, even the off-topic ones and didn't see any mention of the problem. But since that is a Desire HD forum, the issue may not be known.
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The Inspire is a real DHD. They are 99.9% the same phone. Radio and extra mic are the only differences. So what you see is what everyone would see. Maybe you should have asked this on the Desire HD forum since that is where the ROM is located. What ROM are you talking about? His ICS build? I don't even see one titled what you said it was. Also you should tell us what the buttons look like so someone may give you an answer.
I believe he talking about the on-screen soft keys(Ala galaxy nexus). You can turn those off its one of.the display settings.
Marsdta, thank you for the helpful response. That is indeed where I found it. I was expecting it to be a Trebuchet setting, for whatever reason. Seemed the more intuitive place.
Agoattamer, I cannot help what you can or cannot see. You post was 100% UNhelpful. If you don't know the answer, don't respond. The ICS thread IS there, in the DHD dev forum.
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Then go there and ask the question in the correct forum. And learn to give real info in the future. Help us help you.
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Then go there and ask the question in the correct forum. And learn to give real info in the future. Help us help you.
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[smacks self on forehead] Now, why didn't I think of that? I did post in the DHD forum...if you search, you'll find it, just like you'll find the thread in the DHD Dev thread about the CM9 beta being worked on.
And, just like here in this forum, one person was able to figure out what I was asking and provide helpful information.
Just 'cuz I'm new here, doesn't mean I'm a noob (or anyone else is, either).
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Love how you changed the title of the thread to use the correct info from the ROM in it. Should have changed this line too:
I'm assuming these are the keys for a real DHD, where we have hard keys already.
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At least you know now that the Inspire is a real DHD. I never once said NOOB, you did. But I am so happy that I could be 100% unhelpful to you.
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Love how you changed the title of the thread to use the correct info from the ROM in it. Should have changed this line too: At least you know now that the Inspire is a real DHD. I never once said NOOB, you did. But I am so happy that I could be 100% unhelpful to you.
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Um, yeah. Okay. You...win? Whatever.
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Now that there's tools for the average 13year old to kang up a rom or just re-release a Sense 4 Rom, the development section is getting flooded with identical Roms, I think each Rom thread should have a poll, and if it has had say 100 views after 2 weeks at least 5% of the viewers have to run it, not download, install, remove because its the same as their last rom so they just restore nandroid for all setting and apps back, but run it as daily.
There's 15+ Sense 4 Roms, at least 10 are identical with different wallpapers and maybe hard set leedroid tweaks installed.
They all mention about being deodexed and zip alligned but let's face it, the so called developers have not developed these roms at all and they need to stop.
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Nope. Its because of people like you that dev's leave or stop developing for devices.
You'd rather be picky and pick which developers can stay and which have to leave because of "unsatisfactory" work.
Im sorry, but it doesn't work that way. You really don't have a say in that.
Everyone has to start somewhere and everyone has the right to create a modified or custom rom. Leave them alone.
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Now that there's tools for the average 13year old to kang up a rom or just re-release a Sense 4 Rom, the development section is getting flooded with identical Roms, I think each Rom thread should have a poll, and if it has had say 100 views after 2 weeks at least 5% of the viewers have to run it, not download, install, remove because its the same as their last rom so they just restore nandroid for all setting and apps back, but run it as daily.
There's 15+ Sense 4 Roms, at least 10 are identical with different wallpapers and maybe hard set leedroid tweaks installed.
They all mention about being deodexed and zip alligned but let's face it, the so called developers have not developed these roms at all and they need to stop.
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Completely disagree... I mean...what are you doing here in xda? You should be kicked off immediately...
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Dude... Stop being such a turd, I know you may be annoyed by it but each developer has put in hours upon hours sat at a computer just for those roms to work. Each Rom has something different. Without all these amazing developers many people would have left this phone long ago. They are xda. So please stop your moaning.
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Can we please have a mod take a look at this thread? Also, reported.
EDIT: If you read this and it made you feel this way, then I think you should go through the post once more; you've misunderstood it or I have.
EDIT 2: Disagree with the OP, but let's keep this clean, please? Remember the thread is about the ROMs in the development section & not about the Original poster
totally disagree as well.
why don't you use the so called "13 year old tools" you speak about to make your own ROM and take a hike? oh i know why, because you don't know how to use them. you're not only disrespecting XDA and the Devs, you're also disrespecting your device. Android and it's openness is not for people like you.
Please stay on topic guys. The OP makes a valid point which is even talked about on the portal.
There are multiple sides to this "issue". Some might argue that XDA is site for original development, others might say that there a place in this world for every single ROM, no matter how it was created.
In the end XDA is a public forum where we will always have different opinions.
That said, please stay civil here, or the thread will be closed.
I might say, the sensation development section has many ROMs with similar base, but to say ROMs are identical, then no.
And to make a note that every single device is different than the other, one ROM that works perfect for me, might not work perfectly for you, and here comes the benefit of this diversity in ROMs.
Never noticed identical dishes! Seems to be a nice variety of menu items!
Dear sir, you are incorrect!
I totally disagree. If in fact you are bothered
by the options Available here at xda I suggest you FIND ANOTHER forum. I for one am grateful for the options available to me and for ALL the developers here at this forum!.
They all have a very important contribution to this forum. SHAME on you for suggesting otherwise..we are entitled to a opinion I have mine you have yours. :
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I'm not saying they should be all closed down, I'm saying if they don't kick off within 2 weeks - month then should we have a poll to whether they stay open or even get moved to an Early development section, or at least be able to distinguish between succeeding roms and ones with 10 downloads in 2 weeks,
I agree that people need somewhere to start developing, but should there be a lower class development section, then as a Rom grows move it to main development section?
I'm sorry for the grumpy OP, it was early and I missed the days of my HTC Wildfire's development section, each Rom had huge differences and you would pick one to match your life style, now you just pick a base,
The recent post in XDA news about cyanogen wanting people to start a Rom from scratch, build it up completely different from any other, that's what I would ideally want.
I'm sorry again for the offensive OP
I didn't get my banana today...
OllieArmageddon said:
I'm not saying they should be all closed down, I'm saying if they don't kick off within 2 weeks - month then should we have a poll to whether they stay open or even get moved to an Early development section, or at least be able to distinguish between succeeding roms and ones with 10 downloads in 2 weeks,
I agree that people need somewhere to start developing, but should there be a lower class development section, then as a Rom grows move it to main development section?
I'm sorry for the grumpy OP, it was early and I missed the days of my HTC Wildfire's development section, each Rom had huge differences and you would pick one to match your life style, now you just pick a base,
The recent post in XDA news about cyanogen wanting people to start a Rom from scratch, build it up completely different from any other, that's what I would ideally want.
I'm sorry again for the offensive OP
I didn't get my banana today...
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Now, when you calm down and talk in a suggestive manner, I can understand what you mean.
But really, is there that much scope for development? How much can change today?
How ready are you to try something that you know isn't stable?
The fact is if someone were to start off with something new, they surely wouldn't get it right the first time around. Will people be willing to risk their phones to try something new?
These questions need to be answered & any good dev would of course think of these things.
Also, you base so much on visual appearances, what have you used of the ROM that you base these claims that the ROMs are the same on? Have you seen how they work on your device?
When you are talking of the Sense 4.0 ROMs I really wonder how much of a visual difference you expect to see in Sense? Why not download a new skin? It will feel like a new ROM experience if appearance is all that counts.
These are my honest opinions & being a noob, I hope that these opinions don't offend anyone.
I don't see the point in your suggestion. The forum does that by itself, the popular roms stay on the first page while those with less users end up in the pages afterwards.
As long as devs aren't kanging each other without permission I don't see a problem with new roms. Your original argument that the sense 4 roms are all the same is understandable in a way. The devs working on sense 4 are doing an amazing job and they have gotten rid of the majority of bugs. Without thr amount of devs that are working on it, there is no way sense 4 would be where its at on our phones. You seem to be basing this "lack" of variety of roms on the ui. This argument is almost completely irrelevant at this point since the fusion.apk in sense 4 is locked down, and this is the base for the majority of ui changes on sense itself. There's probably 8 sense 4 roms and the majority are made by exceptional devs who are working together on getting sense 4 to the best state possible.
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kgs1992 said:
Now, when you calm down and talk in a suggestive manner, I can understand what you mean.
But really, is there that much scope for development? How much can change today?
How ready are you to try something that you know isn't stable?
The fact is if someone were to start off with something new, they surely wouldn't get it right the first time around. Will people be willing to risk their phones to try something new?
These questions need to be answered & any good dev would of course think of these things.
Also, you base so much on visual appearances, what have you used of the ROM that you base these claims that the ROMs are the same on? Have you seen how they work on your device?
When you are talking of the Sense 4.0 ROMs I really wonder how much of a visual difference you expect to see in Sense? Why not download a new skin? It will feel like a new ROM experience if appearance is all that counts.
These are my honest opinions & being a noob, I hope that these opinions don't offend anyone.
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Im as cool as a cucumber all the time anyway lol
I'm using sense 4 as an example as many have been released in past 2-3 weeks.
I would just like to see more original roms on here
We have GB, ICS, Sense 3.0, Sense 3.5, Sense 3.6, Sense 4.0, MIUI, AOSP, CM... Right now the devs are working with what bases they have available to them. When JB and KLP get dropped then I'm sure those will make their way here as well, but by then you'll probably have moved on to a newer device anyways.
As was already mentioned, the popular roms stay at the top so the sorting is done automatically. If people don't like a rom it will fall back in the page count and be long forgotten!
If you want, I can make a port of cupcake for you. How different would that be!?
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We have GB, ICS, Sense 3.0, Sense 3.5, Sense 3.6, Sense 4.0, MIUI, AOSP, CM... Right now the devs are working with what bases they have available to them. When JB and KLP get dropped then I'm sure those will make their way here as well, but by then you'll probably have moved on to a newer device anyways.
As was already mentioned, the popular roms stay at the top so the sorting is done automatically. If people don't like a rom it will fall back in the page count and be long forgotten!
If you want, I can make a port of cupcake for you. How different would that be!?
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If you can get it working on newest firmware then yes
Random things like this is what I'd like to see, even a android Linux combo, being able to install android and Linux apps to one Rom would be amazing,
I liked the times when we had things like the HQ Camera mod come out, if smalled devs could work together on projects like that then the Dev section would be filled with newer stuff
I'm not trying to attack devs, just try to see my point, one rom doesn't stand out from another any more
How come nobody is allowed to state their opinion on xda without somebody getting mad? I agree most of the roms are the same. And it my opinion, none of them seem to work right. Bit again, someone will disagree and tattle tail on me to a moderator or say I need to be kicked off because they disagree with my opinion. No one ever said anyone else had to agree with anyone's opinion. If you don't agree then state your opinion and step aside. Nobody needs you spamming threads with **** like "you need to be kicked off" cause someone has an opinion. The OP did not say anything about race religion creed or sexual orientation therefore he can rightfully say whatever else he wants. Grow up. If you don't like it then you have every right to go somewhere else.
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How come nobody is allowed to state their opinion on xda without somebody getting mad? I agree most of the roms are the same. And it my opinion, none of them seem to work right. Bit again, someone will disagree and tattle tail on me to a moderator or say I need to be kicked off because they disagree with my opinion. No one ever said anyone else had to agree with anyone's opinion. If you don't agree then state your opinion and step aside. Nobody needs you spamming threads with **** like "you need to be kicked off" cause someone has an opinion. The OP did not say anything about race religion creed or sexual orientation therefore he can rightfully say whatever else he wants. Grow up. If you don't like it then you have every right to go somewhere else.
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Our community is awesome only because of devs, who work really hard for us.. if they leave, our sensation forum will die down. Such threads would push devs away & that's the only reason I reported this. Also, I didn't scream ban! I just wanted the mod to take a look. I am sorry if this was wrong but I only had the best interest of the community in mind..
Also, I am sorry for this OT. I just wanted to explain what I thought, if anyone cares that is.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with beats audio
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Our community is awesome only because of devs, who work really hard for us.. if they leave, our sensation forum will die down. Such threads would push devs away & that's the only reason I reported this. Also, I didn't scream ban! I just wanted the mod to take a look. I am sorry if this was wrong but I only had the best interest of the community in mind..
Also, I am sorry for this OT. I just wanted to explain what I thought, if anyone cares that is.
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Yeah I understand what your saying, everyone has an opinion and I searched and couldn't find anywhere I could express it, so created this thread
I gotta agree. Aside from CM9/MIUI/AOKP/Paranoid Android, most Sense 3.6/Sense 4.0 ROMs are the same.
To somewhat control the the masses of Jelly bean threads that are currently arising, I made this thread to collect all talk about it.
Anything related to JB belongs in this thread. We don't want hundreds of threads with the same information, so please use this thread instead.
Yes I know I fooled you with the title, but I somehow need to get your attention
Any other JB threads will be closed to keep this froum clean.
Thanks
Wait HTC ONE X thread on Sensation forum?
When wil come
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People are too much excited for this update personally I don't think it worth the hype but we'll see...
Sent From My Sexy Sensation.
akbisw said:
Wait HTC ONE X thread on Sensation forum?
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sowmian said:
When wil come
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Thanks for a good laugh, I needed one right now.
Diamondback said:
To somewhat control the the masses of Jelly bean threads that are currently arising, I made this thread to collect all talk about it.
Anything related to JB belongs in this thread. We don't want hundreds of threads with the same information, so please use this thread instead.
Yes I know I fooled you with the title, but I somehow need to get your attention
Any other JB threads will be closed to keep this froum clean.
Thanks
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lol you fooled your self xD ( Jk ) the HTC one X have JB up and running!!!
It would be nice if you can somehow merge it with this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736469&page=12
there are some good information on that thread...
Can someone working on this upload a logcat and I'll help, unfortunatly I can obtain logcat myself because my sensation is in for repair :/
I'm assuming HOX is a nickname for Sensation? :silly:
Smart guy...
Send me something and I'll get you your logcat
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When wil come
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Dont ask for ETA, the more you ask, the less I am inclined to help port this = the longer it will take because of fewer people, so do everyone a favor and dont ask
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I'm assuming HOX is a nickname for Sensation? :silly:
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HTC One X
Ace42 said:
I'm assuming HOX is a nickname for Sensation? :silly:
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no HOX = HTC one X
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Dont ask for ETA, the more you ask, the less I am inclined to help port this = the longer it will take because of fewer people, so do everyone a favor and dont ask
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What if he asked for an official release date rather than a port? Why go @ him like that without any further information?
I don't know about other people, but I personally appreciate your work and you taking your time to help with the porting process, because I'm really eager to try the new features, but if you're going to go at everyone seeking some knowledge, I just don't think it's the place... Stop making us feel guilty or think twice before asking any questions.
That's definitely not the meaning of the word 'community'.
Plus, the sensation forum itself is not that 'live' lately, so such threads/questions kinda spice things up a lil' bit.
Anyways, If it's that irritating and 'annoying', why not write down all the information currently known about the process and clearing up some stuff for people who have no idea? Wouldn't that just be easier to keep track of the progress AND avoid less people having to ask? I wouldn't even mind doing it myself, but as you can see, this is the only post allowed on the subject.
Would you please explain me why it's that so... un-motivating? annoying? irritating?
People asking such questions will be everywhere, anywhere, anytime, and no one can change that. I don't have a problem with such people, because sometimes they're the reason I'm able to get my questions answered.
Also, the forum won't be as it is right now, without people asking and expressing excitement over new versions/updates.
It will most likely become a dev-only forum, which won't be much fun, will it? I mean, won't you just port stuff for other devs that can do it themselves? Meh...
Anyways, I'm sure he didn't mean to intentionally affect you or anyones else progress. So some sympathy and patience with people. Not all people know what you do, and that's totally legitimate.
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OP/Mod, If you're going to allow only one thread about the subject at least fill it with some information.
Since people are not allowed to ask elsewhere, this should be the ideal place for them to get informed about the porting process and the new update.
You can't forbid people to ask (really basic) certain questions, yet not fill them with information. People come here, first and foremost for information, not to be impressed by the esthetics of the forum.
You may want to merge all of the information and links out there in one post, for both devs and users.
As I said before, I wouldn't mind doing it myself, but I can't... apparently... Just sayin'
P.S, Nothing personal, just expressing my feelings, so no offence
HOX is nickname for (H)TC (O)ne (X)
Sent from 3000 years in the future from my extremely outdated, but still extremely awesome HTC Sensation Z710e
@biasaf as a general rule most people working on ports and other complex stuff dont like feeling pressured to release or fix. After all we all have personal lives and we do this for a hobby, a hobby should be something you do for fun, not because you feel pressured to do so. Also because of the nature of what porters are trying to do, giving ETA is not good because we dont know ourselves and it just adds more pressure. if the dude was asking for ETA of official release, well tbh that is a pretty stupid thing to ask because htc dont generally give eta either - with exception to ics expected rollout timetable.
If you follow the thread in the dev section you will already know that one guy has a rom which gets past splash screen and just loops on logcat errors after that. In any case if you watch the dev thread you will know the latest progress.
the point I really want to stress though is twofold, 1) we do this for free, 2) we do this in our free time as a hobby so please the least people can do is be patient, when its done its done, until then its not done and hassling any devs working on it just annoys people
Jonny,
I get where this is coming from, and yes I do follow the other threads.
I'm pretty informed though it's just normal for people to get curious.
I think what you're saying is right and a dev, as a contributor, should receive his respect and his ideal work environment and conditions. (does that make sense?)
I don't see how this might be pressuring, because as you said, you do it as a hubby and you don't really have to do it for anyone, yet you're still doing it for whatever reason you have.
On the other hand, that's exactly why people asking for ETAs shouldn't be a bother. When it's done, it's done. Just my 2 cents...
Anyways, I'm really not in the place to judge anyone, especially not a dev (since I haven't been in that position really), so sorry for my previous comments.
P.S., I know it's not the right place to ask, but it's summer and I have LOADS and LOADS of free time, so I thought I'd help myself and try to learn some android programming (and maybe help the community... somewhen). Do you know any good place to start? Do I need to learn any specific programming language?
I know there are loads of sources on Google, but I don't know what's trusted and what's not...
Thank you!
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P.S., I know it's not the right place to ask, but it's summer and I have LOADS and LOADS of free time, so I thought I'd help myself and try to learn some android programming (and maybe help the community... somewhen). Do you know any good place to start? Do I need to learn any specific programming language?
I know there are loads of sources on Google, but I don't know what's trusted and what's not...
Thank you!
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There are a few different views on how to go about it. I reckon its todo with the sort of person you are, eg. if you are the type of person that throws yourself at something and gets stuck in straight away you would be most comfortable going straight in an learning basic java and C++
On the other hand if you like to ease yourself into things it would be better to get to grips with a really easy programming langauge with syntax not too dissimilar to more complex langauges. I was lucky and got into mobile modding at 14 with flash actionscript themes for older samsung phones (tocco lite, monte, corby etc) which is a really easy way to start because you can run the themes on pc and test what changes to code do without running them on the phone using flash player and the code is really easy to understand and can gently ease your way into the coding world.
For internet resources, there are a lot of flash actionscript tutorials on the DarkforestGroup sites (DFG StarMods in particular as that is completly dedicated to flash ui based phones) and also there are lots of Java and C++ tutorials online for free but if you want to be sure they are tried and tested then probably the best way would be to buy a book of amazon or somthing like that.
One warning is that it does take a lot of time and you have to be prepared to read lots whichever way you choose! Good luck!
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The last post was geared mainly towards app/kernel/AOSP/CM/AOKP development but if you want to be a ROM developer you firstly need some sort of kitchen like dsixda's kitchen and cygwin to enable the kitchen to work under windows. the kitchen will let you carry out basic tasks then I would recommend getting a comarison software like beyond compare or similar and compare your ROM with others then see if you can build on those improvements like perhaps editing values in init.d scripts or maybe some smali hacking to enable hidden features/create new features. Or if your good with photoshop or similar you could change the way icons look and create a whole new unique look to the ROM like steve0007 elegancia ROM. then you can add stuff like beats mods, speed tweaks, xloud, bravia, options to debloat and remove some btc junk from the ROM to create an entirely customized ROM.
Anyway this is all massively off topic and its late and Ive got some attemps at porting to do before I go to sleep
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Jonny,
I get where this is coming from, and yes I do follow the other threads.
I'm pretty informed though it's just normal for people to get curious.
I think what you're saying is right and a dev, as a contributor, should receive his respect and his ideal work environment and conditions. (does that make sense?)
I don't see how this might be pressuring, because as you said, you do it as a hubby and you don't really have to do it for anyone, yet you're still doing it for whatever reason you have.
On the other hand, that's exactly why people asking for ETAs shouldn't be a bother. When it's done, it's done. Just my 2 cents...
Anyways, I'm really not in the place to judge anyone, especially not a dev (since I haven't been in that position really), so sorry for my previous comments.
P.S., I know it's not the right place to ask, but it's summer and I have LOADS and LOADS of free time, so I thought I'd help myself and try to learn some android programming (and maybe help the community... somewhen). Do you know any good place to start? Do I need to learn any specific programming language?
I know there are loads of sources on Google, but I don't know what's trusted and what's not...
Thank you!
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Think i might join you been dying to give back to the community and now i have the time to do that
To bring this back on topic, has anyone else noticed that the OOM groupings are suddenly back in the ramdisk (init.rc to be precise)? Seems strange for google to u-turn on this when they moved the OOM groupings to services.jar for ICS (though if they're anything like the UK government....)