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This is NOT, and I repeat NOT a guide for rooting. It is a warning. Helpful advice if you will. It is here to deter you from making your life as well as those here who help others a nightmare. We are here to help those who want to help themselves. As mentioned in another thread, this forum is here to HELP people. This advice is here to help as helping also includes prevention. The advice below is for the sole purpose of preventing those who don't know what they're doing from bricking their devices prematurely.
If you don't like my advice or my opinion; that is your given right. Remember the forum rules and keep it impersonal, clean and respectful.
I am here to help people and if that includes encouraging members to learn first before they do harm to their device then so be it. If I can prevent even one person from ruining their phone before they learn how to use it then I accomplished something.
Note: Whosdaman; please feel free to move this to whatever section you feel this better fits in. I took a shot putting it here.
Disclaimer/Advice/Humble Opinion:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA, Google) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. Well; it's not cool to be a n00b and attempt root. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's, boot into Safe mode, Mount R/W, run shell commands or Terminal Emulator etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read, read and re-read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.
If you don't even know what some of the things are that were mentioned, then you should absolutely NOT root your phone. You will likely brick or screw up your phone and then be right back here asking for help in a new thread most definitely created by you out of haste or costing [insert phone manufacturer/carrier here] money by sending your phone back and asking for a replacement simply because you had no idea what you were doing. JMHO
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Again, this is not here to offend anyone's sensitivity or hurt your feelings. Many have argued that bricking and recovery is the way they learn. That's fine [for them]. I highly doubt those same people started running before walking, or walking before crawling. But the majority of people need to learn first. Preventing someone from ruining their device is MY best advice.
I didn't know android had a safe mode.
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bubonik said:
I didn't know android had a safe mode.
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1.) Power Off>remove battery>WAIT for at least two minutes.
2.) Power On Phone while Holding MENU key until you get to the lock screen>At the bottom left corner of the display in transparent text will be the words "Safe Mode"
When in safe mode, Android does not load any third-party apps, and you can uninstall the application that gave you trouble from Settings > Applications > Manage applications.
To exit Safe Mode:
1.) Power off phone again>remove battery>wait two minutes
2.) Do a normal power on ...
So after reading this I still couldn't figure out how to get this root stuff you were talking about. I don't know what this "search" or "google" is. But if this makes me cool then I'm all about it- maybe I could get a girlfriend finally.
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WHY?
The advice, while a successful deterrent, is not very useful. If people are here on this website, chances are they are here to learn something new about how to improve or customize their phones. We were all noobs at one point in time an I know that I benfited greatly from all the guides and reference threads here. Why not post some links to some helpful threads and say "Read these BEFORE you try anything," not "Don't try it at all and if you want to do it, find your own way to." Just a thought.
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If people are here on this website, chances are they are here to learn something new about how to improve or customize their phones.
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And that is exactly my advice. LEARN FIRST. Browse through the threads and see how many are beginners who jumped too soon and are now asking for help. It's ridiculous. If you don't like my advice move on and troll another thread. Many here agree with what I've suggested. Take it or leave it.
In my experience, the ones who have a problem with this are the ones who are guilty of it. People who want to be 'cool' and root without learning then clutter the forums begging for help.
Honestly I think you're making a sweeping generalization assuming that anyone who roots their phone without reading everything there is to read first is just trying to be "cool".
Granted, there are a lot of folks out there that could stand to take a lesson or two in common sense, but I don't think it does anyone any good to tell all the "n00bs" to essentially eff off until they've done more research than I think most people on this forum who've successfully rooted would normally do.
There are numerous disclaimers that tell people to stay away from rooting unless they either know what they're doing or are willing to take a risk, and there are numerous people who learn by doing rather than reading.
In fact I would venture a guess that, were people to subscribe to your suggestion, this forum and indeed the entire Android dev ecosphere would suffer greatly, because many devs learn by tweaking and fixing... usually something that they themselves broke!
I don't ask that you change your opinion. Simply that you ask yourself what you really hope to accomplish with this post. It would seem to me that the people you hope to deter would just be insulted and ignore it.
As a previous poster had mentioned, it would be more convincing if you provided resource links to help educate those you are trying to reach.
Also, before you sling that "troll" moniker my way as you did a previous poster, you might do well to remember that just as you have the right to post your opinion, others have the right to disagree.
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well sir, maybe some of us noobs got tired of not being able to use any apps over wifi on our blackberry without data a blackberry plan and bought an android phone so we can have more freedom.
maybe some of us noobs are diving into rooting so we can use setpcu and squeeze more than the stock 2 hour heavy use we get from a stock MT4G
maybe some of us want to learn more about the system but we ask so many questions because we dont know where to get VISIONary plus since its no longer in the market place.
i dunno about other noobs but a thread with links to what to read to learn more is way more beneficial to me than this one telling me to stay out the circle of android trust.
perhaps you are the one who thinks being rooted is "cool"?(no disrespect meant)
some of us do really want to learn and we appreciate every help and every answer we get to our questions from you veterans.
so please have a little patience and/or noob tolerance. someday we'll learn and stop asking the same question that had been answered a doze times already
A simple Google search turned up 302,000 for Visionary. Maybe if you stopped and thought before you posted you might have better results.
Again, this thread wasn't meant to hurt anyone's sensitive feelings [as it seems it has]. It was meant to deter new members/rookies from diving into something before they learned it. Obviously with the new breed of youngsters these days that just isn't the case. Common sense seems to have taken a back door to rushed gratification. Intelligent strategy is how many of us learned, not jumping in and screwing things up.
By jumping in and messing things up, you not only make things harder on yourselves but waste our time helping with things that have been answered a thousand times and a simple search would have taught you that.
As with anything in life, you need to 'learn' before you do something. Cognitive retention is key to mastering anything.
Your logic of diving in without thought or regard for yourself or others that will end up helping you is almost insulting. You will find that many of the longtime users/devs/veterans here enjoy helping people who take precautions and want to help themselves. But almost none of them/us really care to help those who jump blindly.
JMHO. Take it however you like. And you don't need to take it from me; just try and get help in here when you do something dumb and see how much help you get from senior members.
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A simple Google search turned up 302,000 for Visionary. Maybe if you stopped and thought before you posted you might have better results.
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I don't know what you did there, but I just did a simple google search for Visionary and got "About 9,880,000 results (0.11 seconds)"
Maybe your google fu is weak or something..
On another note back on topic, I couldn't disagree more with your OP.. As a newb I think diving right in is the best thing to do to learn.. I Can read a wiki for hours about a phone, but that doesn't give you the same experience of 10 minutes hands on does..
My biggest suggestion to a newb to this **** is dont start with a high end device.. Buy a HTC Wizard or Excalibur off craigslist & play with & tweak them 1st.. Then maybe a g1 or something.. That way if you do **** up & brick your device your not toast..
IMHO there is no better way to learn something then to do it.. But also when you have problems, don't think your unique & that nobody has ever posted your question before, Search for it 1st & then only post asking for help if you cant find it..
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.. But also when you have problems, don't think your unique & that nobody has ever posted your question before, Search for it 1st & then only post asking for help if you cant find it..
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And search further then the first page.
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I think I'll leave it in here, maybe even sticky it later
CB, while I can understand your frustration I believe your attitude could be seen as elitist.
I think that perhaps what we should be doing is trying to come up with a root cause solution that might work instead of telling people not to try something like rooting. As another poster implied, it's not that people shouldn't be rooting, but that they shouldn't be asking questions for which there are already answers.
This seems like the problem you're trying to address, not the problem of someone rooting their phone or not.
So let's put aside the discussion of how one learns and who has the right to root and focus on the issue of "inappropriate" posts.
Does that sound like a reasonable alternative?
Hopefully whatever comes out of this discussion could be used to improve the forum experience for everyone.
I should mention that I'm not really sure this thread should be in the dev section of the forum... Seems more like general discussion since the OP is more of an ideological opinion piece at this point.
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OP, does your soapbox come with a salad? Someone likes to hear himself talk...sheesh.
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viper3ez said:
well sir, maybe some of us noobs got tired of not being able to use any apps over wifi on our blackberry without data a blackberry plan and bought an android phone so we can have more freedom.
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As much as I HATE blackberries, I have to correct you. You do NOT need a data feature to use web over wifi on a Blackberry. How the hell would that make sense, seriously? But yes keep in mind, I am still not a BB fan lol, hate those pieces of crap.
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yo
so im not cool?
teamsilence said:
so im not cool?
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You're still cool in my book.
teamsilence said:
so im not cool?
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Your the bee's knees! Lol
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teamsilence said:
so im not cool?
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Your so cool your like an iced glacier.
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Good lord, does anyone here actually have the time to go through 302.000 pages? Maybe I am the only one who has kids and a wife, but I know I don't have time to take a freaking computer programing course to teach myself how to use freaking cmnd lines. The crap I have seen on different forums that walk people through different rooting procedures on different phones acts as though everyone know WTF they are doing and/or has the time to spend hours a day learning. Guess what? Not everyone does. I spend hours a day teaching people the basics of how to use their phones and I have to give directions my grandmother could follow, is it to much to ask for detailed instruction that someone who has a very basic understanding of how to use these phones could follow? I don't think so. If you "seniors" could realize that you aren't cooler because you know what you are doing, and did the responsible thing and shared your knowledge without *****ing, moaning, and complaining about n00bs, you could help more n00bs become 'seniors' themselves and have more people out there able to help others.
Some one tell me how to update to the picture attached without loosing my current root
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You have to have a pretty-much rock-stock ROM for this update to work. You could just install attn1's version of the stock ROM with this update already applied, then properly rooted and packaged for installation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058042
After installing, the update screen will show that you are up to date.
nickdixon14 said:
Some one tell me how to update to the picture attached without loosing my current root
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Since Gene has graciously answered your question, may I remind you that this is one of the most common questions asked, over and over. Please do a little searching first.
Thanks!
See I don't won't to have to go back to stock or any of thst stuff why can't I just flash it in hboot
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See I don't won't to have to go back to stock or any of thst stuff why can't I just flash it in hboot
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That is how flash attn1 rom. I think you might have misunderstood. He meant that you could go back to stock stock and apply it. Because if your rooted it will fail to install OR. Apply attn1 rom.
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Attn1's ROM is flashed in hboot because it includes a radio. It is the ota update your phone is trying to get, but with root. He also has one in that same thread with sideloading enabled.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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its probably because to newer users, its a little intimidating to go thru many posts and threads, and they also know some info could be outdated. Maybe on the site, there should be an official, updated "how to" glossary or wiki.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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I'll tell you why....
Because the question was already answered for one thing.
It's also forum rules, and I've seen it mentioned by Mods a million times.
Community moderation...I let people know in the hopes of breaking a habit before it starts: posting a new thread for every single question that crosses their mind, and, eventually, expect to be given answers to everything, getting even more reluctant to do the "work" of finding answers and learning about their phones on their own.
Next thing you know, we're up to our necks in duplicate posts. Then, NOBODY will want to answer ANYTHING, because they have to wade through 4 tons of duplicate crap, and it ain't worth it.
How hard is it to Google "inspire OTA update root" ?
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I'll tell you why....
Because the question was already answered for one thing.
It's also forum rules, and I've seen it mentioned by Mods a million times.
Community moderation...I let people know in the hopes of breaking a habit before it starts: posting a new thread for every single question that crosses their mind, and, eventually, expect to be given answers to everything, getting even more reluctant to do the "work" of finding answers and learning about their phones on their own.
Next thing you know, we're up to our necks in duplicate posts. Then, NOBODY will want to answer ANYTHING, because they have to wade through 4 tons of duplicate crap, and it ain't worth it.
How hard is it to Google "inspire OTA update root" ?
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As to the last question: speaking for myself, I am tempted to just ask question, not because I can't effin search, but some of my questions, one has to weed through all manner of material on multiple threads, some pertinent, some not, since February to ascertain "the" answer. This is all well and good and maybe an exercise in disciple, like back in school or something, but maybe some of us just get impatient in an effort to save time. That said, I am fully on board with the forum rules, because da rules are da rules, and this is where one has to come for this sort of stuff :-D.
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As to the last question: speaking for myself, I am tempted to just ask question, not because I can't effin search, but some of my questions, one has to weed through all manner of material on multiple threads, some pertinent, some not, since February to ascertain "the" answer. This is all well and good and maybe an exercise in disciple, like back in school or something, but maybe some of us just get impatient in an effort to save time. That said, I am fully on board with the forum rules, because da rules are da rules, and this is where one has to come for this sort of stuff :-D.
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Oh I agree. Everyone has questions, and everyone has opinions. There are often times wrong/incomplete answers to things, and both yes and no to the same question.
It's not necessarily easy to parse through and distill all of this stuff. But it can be done. I often times run across answers that go both ways, and that can be unsettling, especially if it involves potentially bricking a device if you get it wrong.
It's just a question of analysis, and I concede some people are more comfortable doing it than others. I guess I never expected to be handed all of the answers to basic questions.
I've always preferred searching over posting in asking a question, as it usually always provides the answer *quicker* than waiting for someone to post back an answer to the question.
Not to mention, if it turns out it was a much easier answer to find than first apparent, or that it was one's own oversight responsible for a problem that motivated the question, one can bypass getting antagonized by jerks like me.
I hear ya
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Oh I agree. Everyone has questions, and everyone has opinions. There are often times wrong/incomplete answers to things, and both yes and no to the same question.
It's not necessarily easy to parse through and distill all of this stuff. But it can be done. I often times run across answers that go both ways, and that can be unsettling, especially if it involves potentially bricking a device if you get it wrong.
It's just a question of analysis, and I concede some people are more comfortable doing it than others. I guess I never expected to be handed all of the answers to basic questions.
I've always preferred searching over posting in asking a question, as it usually always provides the answer *quicker* than waiting for someone to post back an answer to the question.
Not to mention, if it turns out it was a much easier answer to find than first apparent, or that it was one's own oversight responsible for a problem that motivated the question, one can bypass getting antagonized by jerks like me.
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Just presenting another side...because I can . One side of me just want's to get things done. Another side thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning the ins and outs of my beloved now rooted device by weeding through a community forum of all things...all good!
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Just presenting another side...because I can . One side of me just want's to get things done. Another side thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning the ins and outs of my beloved now rooted device by weeding through a community forum of all things...all good!
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Again, I agree. It really depends on the urgency of the situation. If your phone is boot-looping, it's understandable want to get the thing running again as quickly as possible.
Thank You
Scott_S said:
Again, I agree. It really depends on the urgency of the situation. If your phone is boot-looping, it's understandable want to get the thing running again as quickly as possible.
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Yes this. Exactly. 10 words.
Scott, why must you pretend to be GOD in these forums which you clearly aren't....if the guy wants to ask, let him ask...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways, so i would of done the same exact thing. don't like reading something that is redundant, then go grab the book War and Peace and entertain yourself. I am sure that by the time you are done with it, all items here would be OUTDATED and you will have no choice but to ask questions yourself, which is where i would answer you back with this:
"i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick."
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Scott, why must you pretend to be GOD in these forums which you clearly aren't....if the guy wants to ask, let him ask...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways, so i would of done the same exact thing. don't like reading something that is redundant, then go grab the book War and Peace and entertain yourself. I am sure that by the time you are done with it, all items here would be OUTDATED and you will have no choice but to ask questions yourself, which is where i would answer you back with this:
"i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick."
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I'm not pretending anything. Searching before posting is forum rules, often cited by mods. I happen to feel it's important enough to remind people, and I'm not the only one. It's called community moderation.
No, a lot of stuff does NOT get outdated. Some do, like radio flashing and not needing eng s-off, but others don't, or haven't yet and don't look like they're going to.
For example, rooting remains the same basic process as when it started. One of two methods are available, and likely there won't be any new ground-breaking discoveries, at least for a while. Maybe it will change in the future, but it hasn't yet.
Another example... Until someone makes ATT want to push their otas to rooted devices, the process by which to update one's rooted phone with those OTA updates will remain the same. Etc....
And Google works just fine, better than the built-in search function of many sites.
Saying "I can't search because search sux" is a cop-out, plain and simple.
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...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways...
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Umm, no. At least not on the full site. If you look right above the forum frames (up, up a little more, no down, yeah, there, on the right) you'll see the search you should be using. It searches recursively from wherever you are. Forum home? Searches the whole board. Inspire home? Searches the whole Inspire board. Inspire Dev? Yep, just the dev section. It goes clear down to searching within a thread. Hardly sucky.
I have been rooted for about a month now and have flashed several custom roms but am now back at the stock rooted rom desiring the latest at&t ota update. I read earlier in this thread that because I'm already rooted the update won't install. My question is can I just flash the attn1 rom even though I rooted my device using bubby's root method?
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I have been rooted for about a month now and have flashed several custom roms but am now back at the stock rooted rom desiring the latest at&t ota update. I read earlier in this thread that because I'm already rooted the update won't install. My question is can I just flash the attn1 rom even though I rooted my device using bubby's root method?
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It should work fine. All attn1's ROM needs is s-off. Bubby's give you that.
I'm not positive but I think att1 updated rooted stock rom w/sideloading is in the form of pd98img.zip file which u need to put on on your SD card but not in a folder. Then turn off fastboot in settings, power off your phone, then while holding down the vol down button push your power button. The phone should boot into hboot where it will search for the pd98img for a few seconds then ask you to update. Once it's done you can reboot & delete the file off your SD card cause it's around 300 or so mb. Once your all done with that you also might want to get the matching ril file for the new radio that's in the update which you can flash in cwr.
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what does it mean to turn radio on and off and ENG on off..what is the point of that im just about to get my inspire and i understand rooting and such but ill be wanting to add a custom rom and oc the phone i am getting... im just curious of what you guys think the best rom/kernel would be for this phone? i had revolver and rev on my tablet i had before and i wish the phones would be easy as the tablet i mean with the tablet i could install to the flashcard and then go into cwm but i just cant seem to find the exact answers im looking for... so please could you explain these things to me like what that all means im sorry i keep switching between cellphones bc i cant seem to find one that keeps my attention xD
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what does it mean to turn radio on and off and ENG on off..what is the point of that im just about to get my inspire and i understand rooting and such but ill be wanting to add a custom rom and oc the phone i am getting... im just curious of what you guys think the best rom/kernel would be for this phone? i had revolver and rev on my tablet i had before and i wish the phones would be easy as the tablet i mean with the tablet i could install to the flashcard and then go into cwm but i just cant seem to find the exact answers im looking for... so please could you explain these things to me like what that all means im sorry i keep switching between cellphones bc i cant seem to find one that keeps my attention xD
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Really man? Reading is fundamental. Please do your research before asking a question. While the process may seem unbelievably easy, which it is provided you read everything and research, rooting and flashing roms,radios,kernels should not be done lightly. Did I mentioned read and search? yeah do that. Everything you're asking has been covered more then 1,000 times.
If you haven't already rooted, see the hack kit thread in the dev section. Read everything, the OP and the effen manual. Once you do that, do it again and then again for comprehension. After you've rooted, the process in flashing a new rom is not complicated at all. Again, these are all things you can find by searching and educating yourself. If you ever ask what the best rom/kernel is again, I'll blow up your house. I'm just kidding but that's a dead horse that people continue to kick over and over and over and over and over again. Don't believe me and want to find the answer for yourself why I say that, search best rom and see the response. You'll thank me later.
i have indeed rooted before and i do know about the fancy lingo but i just wanted to see what others were using and their opinion i have read it but i guess ill go read it again... im on my phone currently and trying to enter in the search phone the browser wont allow me to click enter :/ i have problems with my xperia play thats why im getting the htc hopefully it wont irritate me as bad lol but thanks again
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i have indeed rooted before and i do know about the fancy lingo but i just wanted to see what others were using and their opinion i have read it but i guess ill go read it again... im on my phone currently and trying to enter in the search phone the browser wont allow me to click enter :/ i have problems with my xperia play thats why im getting the htc hopefully it wont irritate me as bad lol but thanks again
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I'll give you the "best rom" speech lol. There is no best rom. All roms will have bugs. What is best for me, is not best for you. It all depends on what you want out of the rom. There are some things some roms have while others don't and the more you test out the more you'll know what you can live without and what you can't. So the best thing to do is, try them all out and see what you like. My recommendation is Bindroid for sense, Absolution for AOSP.
Believe me, reading is key and you clearly get that. I just don't want to see you make a mistake that could have been easily prevented ya know! If you want my personal take on why I recommend the above roms, PM and I'll share.
Well, after looking through the stickies, i have a question. Is there a glossary of terms for the inspire? I'm trying to learn about procedures and processes on this device but most of its Greek to me. I know rooting and flashing, basic stuff. But S off/on, eng off/on, hboot,etc. I currently use a Captivate and those are terms I'm not familiar with.
thats pretty much what i was asking xD
Ok, Google answered my questions. And i have read the effin manual. Probably read it 2 or 3 more times. Just in case.
Friends that are asking about radio and rooting just check out the inspire or w.e phone your looking to get and read about the radios and rils to see what they do and most if not all roms talks about the radio ril
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There are threads popping up everywhere of users who have bricked there devices..here in the past few days. It has gotten ridiculous. anyone who has been in multiple forums on xda can tell you the same thing i am...I have never seen so many bricks on a device.
Is it the device a problem maybe with the skyrocket???? NO
99.9999 percent of the time bricks are caused by user error. Like it or not its true.
On the very rare occasion .. it is an actual rom/kernel problem......its rare because roms are rigorously tested by the developer before posting to the masses...
So Please if your just getting into roting and flashing or not familiar with Samsung phones.......
read the roms thread. see if people are having issues or if u can find posts by others who are running the rom/kernel combo. that your are about to flash.
understand fully without doubts the process. of rooting...custom recoveries. and any kind of flashing. weather it be kernel/rom/modem/themes/mods.......
BECOME FAMILIAR WITH ODIN HAVE IT AVAILABLE AND KNOW HOW USE IT...
HAVE THE STOCK TAR AND STOCK RECOVERY TAR HANDY
under stand what a nandroid backup is and how to backup, and restore them.
NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER FLASH A ROM NOT IN THE SKYROCKET DEVELOPMENT SECTION ON YOUR SKYROCKET.
( unless u know the deal with the t989 ) and understand that process fully
READ READ READ READ....THERE ARE guides on everything you could ever want to do to a skyrocket...in the general section......read them ..spare yourself the trouble of destroying a very nice expensive phone.........
people asking am i bricked would know if they were if they had read any of the imperative,readily available information.
to sum up read always read everything u can. before tampering with your phone....
you will very rarely see a seasoned member posting am i bricked or help what did i do threads..............This is because they read, and obtained the proper knowledge. before proceeding.....
now heres the goodies that need to be read......ATLEAST the most important ones, that will solve most issues...
[THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD IS TO HELP EVERYONE OUT....BECAUSE WE ALL HATE TO SEE PEOPLE BRICK THERE DEVICES.......
but if u choose to ignore the above information,,,,,then that is on u and u will brick u may get away with a few flashes and softbricks.....but its just a matter of time
HERES THE GOODIES>>>>ATLEAST THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES
[REF] All in One guide for NOOBS!http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=4312138 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^READ THIS FIRST^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Originally Posted By: appdroid
[HOWTO][TAR] THE ODIN THREAD :: Return to stock, fix soft brick :: 11/13: Rogers TAR! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342348 Originally Posted By: k0nane
after you have read the all in one guide and the tar/odin thread and have them downloaded, and understood
then proceed here The "all-in-one-location" XDA Skyrocket General Info/Root Method/Kernel/ROM Thread!
Originally Posted By: InSaiyanone http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383464
if u have read all of the above you should now have a pretty decent understanding. of the skyrocket, and rooting , and roms,kernels,modems......
NOW ITS TIME TO PARTY GO HERE THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383464
IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ABOVE INFORMATION......YOU CAN FEEL CONFIDENT YOUR SAFE FROM BRICKING......aside from the rare unusual freak situation, where u did everything correct. and your phone killed itself
Good post.
Also, people who have bricked and make a new thread. We want to help you, but please for the love of god give as much information as possible. The incidents of these 'ghost bricks' where people have said they have done everything correctly is rising, yet the accompanying details are lacking. It is scary thought that our phone can brick itself on a normal flash .001% of the time, but we don't even know if this is true because of a lack of information.
I think this is a nice post in light of the present circumstances that different users (n00bs, if you will) are facing. I have been a big fan of reading multiple times before trying on something and probably that is one thing that have saved me from getting my phone useless. And with such informative guides by developers like Silver we should always read everything for sure...
Thanks a ton Silver for all that you do and I will be trying your Silver ROM as soon as I am done posting this
Thanks for posting this Silver. I don't mind helping people who've run into trouble--I actually like it since I've run into the same problems myself (including a hard brick--my own user error, admittedly...).
If any of the people starting new threads took a minute to search, they would find that their question has been answered a hundred times. But I'll generally cut them some slack and just try to help since when you think you've bricked your phone you tend to be in a total state of panic and don't think to search first.
Thanks for the post. Coming from a Captivate over to a Skyrocket wasn't too bad of a transition, but my Captivate would have been bricked most definitely unless I read 2 or 3 DIFFERENT guides and watched a couple vids on YouTube. Please read and reread and then read some more
i just got into US 4 2 weeks,
and had my skyrocket at the 2nd day in US,
i just rooted it few days ago,
it's easy for me to root it ,
just follow the rules,
don't make any mistakes.
and you can enjoy different kinds of roms
Ordered a new (refurb) skyrocket and am going to root
Hi all.
Very green noob here.
I just ordered my skyrocket from AT&T. They have refurbished going for $19.99 for those looking. I'm coming off from a Samsung Impression. "It's ancient, it's ugly..." for those loving Nightmare before Christmas.....
Anyhow, when I get it I am going to play with it for a day or so and then root it(or attempt to), and put the Cyanogen mod and clockwork mod. Hope I know what I'm talking about.
I've been reading everything for weeks now and am going to re-read again all of the links mentioned by Silver03wrx at the top. Thanks in advance.
Two questions, though.
I want Ice Cream Sandwich on it.
1. Any recommendations which to do first, ie upgrade to ICS and then Root?
and
2. I am going to back up the stock set up first. If I screw up and brick it, can it be restored? I have read that a soft brick can, but I do not recall ever seeing mention of restoring from hard bricking. Maybe I missed it.
Any proactive help is much appreciated.
Thanks
I would do the ICS install and then root
As for bringing... We've lost a lot of good men out there to hard bricks, which is one of the reasons you got a Skyrocket for 20 bucks lol
Soft bricking happens all the time, not too hard to recover from. Hard bricks are very difficult. There's a dude out there who repairs a hard brick $50 or in that range
Just follow instructions and you'll be fine
Non-bricked Skyrocket since 2-11-2012
Thanks for the guidance Shootoo.
Thanks
Thanks for the tip! Big help!
Def READ UP ON ODIN
I made the mistake of thinking Odin was like superoneclick, it either works or doesn't, IT IS NOT. You can seriously mess up your device if your not careful. I would know, Cause I bricked the Epic 4G Touch, Luckily by the time I got to the skyrocket, I had personal Experience. LOL
Thanks for the info.
Just wanted to say thanks for this thread. I'm experimenting with rooting my girlfriend's Skyrocket and if I can avoid bricking her phone, well that would be great
Thanks for the great post
Hi, I've been hanging around XDA for a few years now, and this is one of the most complete posts for rooting a device I have seen. I have a Galaxy S Fascinate with VzW, and had a big learning curve on it.
I recently finished rooting/modding it to run CM9 ICS 4.0.4 and am looking to take advantage of the dual core processor for better performance than my 1st Gen Fascinate.
Thanks for all the great work!
TB
Very important to read and read and read again...
I've bricked my phone but I knew that this could happen before attempting it and had read enough prior to trying out a rom. I had a backup plan just in case from all the great posts here.
When my SR bricked, I didn't panick... much. . I just spent another few minutes with the leaked ICS and everything was working again.
Bricked... No wait...
I thought I bricked my phone. Started checking everything and after discovering the one of my USB ports won't support my phone correctly, I was able to restore my phone with ODIN.
One thing I did notice once I recovered is that when using that port, ADB would error and time out. I though it was a driver, then cable issue, but it was the port.
In the future to test my phone and make sure it is fully accessible, I'm going to run ADB and drop into shell mode to make sure my cable and port are working.
OP: Can you please add following instruction in bold red
Check your device before flashing. FLASH AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727 ROMS ONLY
I have read 2-3 threads with folks bricking their SGS2 skyrocket by flashing other roms.
cnewsgrp said:
OP: Can you please add following instruction in bold red
Check your device before flashing. FLASH AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727 ROMS ONLY
I have read 2-3 threads with folks bricking their SGS2 skyrocket by flashing other roms.
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He does in point 6.
6. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER FLASH A ROM NOT IN THE SKYROCKET DEVELOPMENT SECTION ON YOUR SKYROCKET.
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What the op should add is the fact that leaked ICS kernel's can hard brick a phone. A shame considering almost every rom released in the last few months is based on the leak. You can read more about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
billownz said:
What the op should add is the fact that leaked ICS kernel's can hard brick a phone. A shame considering almost every rom released in the last few months is based on the leak. You can read more about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
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Actually most are safe because we use GB recoveries. I think only CM9 based ROM using non GB recoveries are at risk.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium
Read up and Fear Not: The true bueaty of Android!
I am realatively new to Android, especially when it comes to development and customization, but I have much experience with hardward tinkering and hacking over the years. That said, since I got my SkyRocket I am HOOKED! I have managed to flash my S2S through six or so different ROMs, starting from GB stock to Cyanogen then to the ICS. Just 2 days ago my PC glitched while flashing through ODIN and my phone turned to stone. ODIN wouldn't see it, ClockworkMod was gone, all my data/backups...EVERYTHING. I thought it was over. However, with persistence, the forums and some gumption, I was able to bring it back from the brink! As long as you take your time and keep at it, everything you need to be a pro (or at least feel like one with your own devices) is here somewhere and no device should have to suffer the boring stock life again!!! Thanks to all the devs and moderators for keeping us dabbling, Great Post Silver!
Hi guys.. I have visited the site many many times and usually found all the answers I need. However, I only recently took the plunge and rooted my Desire S. And surprise surprise I think I've done it wrong! I'm stuck at the HTC logo and it never gets any further
The steps I have taken are:
-Unlocked with HTCdev
-Rooted with SuperOneClick (it was all good at this point. Used fine for a couple of days)
-Installed CWM recovery.
-Flashed VanillaIce ROM
And that's as far as I have gotten. The VanillaIce went through the installation process very smoothly, I selected the option 'reboot' and since then, it won't boot past the HTC logo. But I CAN get to the bootloader screen, and recovery mode.
I am on hboot 2.00.0002
S-ON
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I know, I'm a noob here, and please believe me when I say I have searched but I can't find an answer to this specific situation and I need your expert help!
ady863 said:
Hi guys.. I have visited the site many many times and usually found all the answers I need. However, I only recently took the plunge and rooted my Desire S. And surprise surprise I think I've done it wrong! I'm stuck at the HTC logo and it never gets any further
The steps I have taken are:
-Unlocked with HTCdev
-Rooted with SuperOneClick (it was all good at this point. Used fine for a couple of days)
-Installed CWM recovery.
-Flashed VanillaIce ROM
And that's as far as I have gotten. The VanillaIce went through the installation process very smoothly, I selected the option 'reboot' and since then, it won't boot past the HTC logo. But I CAN get to the bootloader screen, and recovery mode.
I am on hboot 2.00.0002
S-ON
Radio 3822.10.08.04_M
I know, I'm a noob here, and please believe me when I say I have searched but I can't find an answer to this specific situation and I need your expert help!
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You haven't searched. You haven't even thought about searching. If you had searched then you would have found out about HTCDev and boot.img - now go and search
ady863 said:
I know, I'm a noob here, and please believe me when I say I have searched but I can't find an answer to this specific situation and I need your expert help!
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with just 3 words from your title 'stuck, htc, logo' i was able to searched it out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=80067477
Like I said, I have searched but I can't find an answer to this SPECIFIC situation. I can't seem to find the info in simple words anywhere.
ady863 said:
Like I said, I have searched but I can't find an answer to this SPECIFIC situation. I can't seem to find the info in simple words anywhere.
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If you bothered reading then you wouldn't need a fix for this "specific situation". HTCDev is the problem. Boot.img is the answer, as I have already posted.
Now look for those and when you realise what it is you can come back and use the thanks button for me and Rain.
If you can't find the answer yourself given the hints we've given you then put your phone in the bin and use a Nokia 3310 instead.
Oh ok, I will need to do this at home later as I'm on linux at work.
Thanks for the help, although the rudeness is quite unnecessary.
Trying to find clear explanations for this stuff is rather difficult, I know the info is out there but it's all scattered about, with threads linking all over the place.
Pls dun misunderstand us. We are not trying to be rude to shuu u away, people have be known to brick their device by not reading thoroughly. They bump into an issue in one thread and tried another solution in another, and in a state of nervousness they blindly and rushly do unnecessary stuff, such as pulling their battery and frying the emmc chip.
Also the solution u are looking for a in the 2nd and 3rd of the search result apart from ur post which is the 1st. And the answer is in the 2nd or 3rd reply.
Why do ppl stressed on reading 1st, because it is ur phone, ur responsiblity, and if it bricks, it is all on u. And to be responsible is to read.
And ur question is not the 1st in the past month, I think there are like 10 different people asking in 10 different thread with 10 different people answering the same 1 thing over and over and over again.
With this in mind, aren't u a bit ignorant in refusing to read the searches u made?
So when people asked u to search by giving u key words, it simply means the answers are there. :thumbup:
Sent from my HTC Desire S
I also really don't see the point of this attitude of SimonTs and others on xda... Why always react pissed off instead of giving your critique in a positive way...
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda app-developers app
giel123 said:
I also really don't see the point of this attitude of SimonTs and others on xda... Why always react pissed off instead of giving your critique in a positive way...
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Maybe you should read about what XDA was actually created for? It is a Developers site, not a noobs site. I have no problem helping people - if you look you will see that I can actually be extremely helpful when the situation requires it - but when someone comes on here claiming to have searched or not bothering to put in the basic reading then I will ALWAYS point them to do that first.
Just spoon-feeding the answers helps nobody - firstly because the same questions always get asked and secondly because if the person then makes a mistake they haven't got a clue how to recover.
Bear in mind that when I bought my DS and S-Offed it, the only way to do it was with a hardware rig called an XTC-Clip. If you made a mistake with that method your phone was toast - so you can imagine how many hours I spent reading to understand EXACTLY what I was doing.
giel123 said:
I also really don't see the point of this attitude of SimonTs and others on xda... Why always react pissed off instead of giving your critique in a positive way...
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda app-developers app
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I do not intend to be rude but when you answer the same question for about hundreds of times and the fact that the search function lists all your hundreds of answers it gets really annoying by two reasons:
1) it feels like you have wasted a lot of time that no one appreciates
2) over time the Desire S section of XDA became quite a good knowledge base but the newcomers do not care to use it and find more easy to flood with new "already answered" pointless threads
Sent from my HTC Desire S
Why not just leave the stupid questions unanswered then, instead of spilling negative words every single time? You are the one who chooses to answer. I don't say I disagree. I also think that people should search better, but I don't get why you put all your energy in those negative reactions. Besides don't blame the noobs for being on xda. Of xda is not meant for everyone, don't make it accessible for everyone....
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda app-developers app
No one was pissing of at anyone, If i would call my younger sister to read it out loud it wouldn't sound anything like how u imagine, some might even call it cute, but if i were to call my grumpy old grandad to read then i would say some one is piss off.
Matter of perception.