Hi All. I am looking at picking up a couple HTC sensations for myself and the wife, and I am trying to find out if roms/hacks for the sensation (regular version) work with the sensation 4g version? For perspective, I have found out the hard way that ROMs for the samsung fascinate will (temporarily) brick your fascinate 4G, so if the same is true for the sensation, I will likely just look for a couple non 4G models, as I don't see much reference to the 4G models here on XDA (and I've had enough of being left on the sideline like I was with the fascinate 4G).
Thanks!
I'm pretty sure the only difference is that the Sensation 4G is a T-mobile device and for HSPA+ instead of displaying 'H' it displays a '4G' icon.
I'm pretty sure you're right. Hoping to get more than 'pretty sure' though heh heh.
Here in Canada, I see local ads selling Bell sensations, and Bell sensation 4Gs... Either they are two different hardwares, or (, as I am beginning to suspect, ) it's the same phone and it's just that some people here don't put '4G' in their ad. I'm hoping someone can definitely confirm this with personal experience though before I commit to several hundred dollars.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3875&idPhone2=3922
Look here, same specs in everything, i think its just a market trick also..
It's the same damn thing.
Thanks for the link johnpushon. It looks like the radio section does have some differences, so looks like there is 2 different phones (right?). It's a little over my head to know what it means in practical terms.
It would be great to hear from someone who has done this, but what I really want to know is what are the data rates like (on the telus and speakout networks actually) when you flash a non 4G ROM onto a 4G phone. I may have to find this out for myself.
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Thanks for the link johnpushon. It looks like the radio section does have some differences, so looks like there is 2 different phones (right?). It's a little over my head to know what it means in practical terms.
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No.
There's the Z710a and Z710e.
Both are called Sensation 4G by Bell and T-Mobile respectively, but the rest of the world doesn't. The difference between the e and the a are their radios, but that has NOTHING to do with 4G.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Please help alleviate my headache if you could... by shedding some more light on what the difference is between the two? It's confusing because one is called 4G, one is not, yet you're explaining that the difference between the phones has nothing to do with 4G?
From the gsmarena page:
Regular:
HSDPA 900/2100
HSDPA 900/1700/2100
4G:
HSDPA 900/1700/2100
HSDPA 850/1900
Thank you so much for your time.
Ignore GSM Arena.
Forget everything about the 4G. It's just a name. If tomorrow I started my own wireless carrier company, and if I called the Sensation the "Delicious Banana Sensation", it would be no different than the "4G" branding. It's just a 4 and a G that they attached to the name, nothing else.
Now, the difference between the Z710a and Z710 is merely the bands. The Z710a only work with some carriers and the Z710e only works with other carriers. It's like, British power plug vs American power plug. It's the same device with similar capabilities other than what makes it compatible for its environment. Just because my hair dryer is plugged into a 220-240V power outlet doesn't mean it's going to be twice as hot as the same hair dryer made for the American market and their 110-120V system.
Z710e:
2G 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G 900 / 1700 (AWS) / 2100
Z710a:
2G 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G 850 / 1900 / 2100
I love 'Delicious Banana Sensation'. Whenever anyone asks me "What kind of phone is that?", I'll tell them "It's an HTC Delicious Banana Sensation." and watch their eyes fill with jealousy, because their phone isn't as mouth watering as mine. HAHAAAA! "My phone has Siri, the intelligent assistant." "Oh yeah? Well my delicious banana sensation is made with froyo and ice cream sandwiches!" OHOHHHHHAHAHHA!
Thanks a lot lianw. Got a delicious banana sensation out of the paper for $275 yesterday, and today it's rooted and unlocked. It's all good.
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What would need to be done to have it on tmo. And would hspa+ and all that work?
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What would need to be done to have it on tmo. And would hspa+ and all that work?
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I actually rooted my Inspire, loaded the Euro DHD ROM and tried it on T-Mobile this morning. It worked, but no 3G, much less 4G.
So what would need to be done to get that type of thing to work fully? Something with the baseband or something right?
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It can't be done, the hardware is different, you won't get anything better that edge
i really need my inspire unlocked?
just wait a few months, the htc incredible S is supposed to coming to Tmobile and that device has same specs as the inspire except smaller screen and has FFC.
Unlock it and you're good to go! That is, if you don't care for 3G/4G
The Inspire's 3G radio is incompatible with the bands used by T-Mobile unfortunately
i want the big screen though lol. I have a g2 right now and I'm really just craving one of those huge screens. What about the Desire HD? would that work on TMO? or is there any other options out there?
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i want the big screen though lol. I have a g2 right now and I'm really just craving one of those huge screens. What about the Desire HD? would that work on TMO? or is there any other options out there?
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your option is an hd2 on android
I don't get it. One of the reason I pick Inspire because it has the same 2G/3G band frequency like the Desire Z (G2). If Desire Z works then why not the Inspire?
Quote from GSMArena:
HTC Desire Z
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100, HSDPA 850 / 1900 - North America
HTC Inspire 4G
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900
Even the Incredible S is not 1700 band
HTC Incredible S
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
The desire z looks like it does not work on t-mobile either. T-mobile needs 1700/2100 for 3g, which are not listed in the specs yet posted.
Can I use T-Mobile 3G devices on another carrier’s 3G networks?
You will not be able to roam with your T-Mobile 3G device on another carrier's 3G network. T-Mobile devices use the 1700Mhz/2100Mhz frequency band (for 3G) and it is specific to T-Mobile. You can however roam on another carrier's 1900Mhz frequency band using GSM. Likewise, another carrier’s 3G devices will not be able to roam on our 3G network.
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Unlock it and you're good to go! That is, if you don't care for 3G/4G
The Inspire's 3G radio is incompatible with the bands used by T-Mobile unfortunately
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yup basically, All you need to do is root the phone using either method. I tried it last night actually with my friends tmo sim. phone worked fine, except only edge service
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yup basically, All you need to do is root the phone using either method. I tried it last night actually with my friends tmo sim. phone worked fine, except only edge service
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But his question is specifically asking to use 3g on other carriers. Which the answer is no, even rooting won't help. It's a hardware limitation.
its something i have thought bout but why would you pay that much for a phone tht will only run on the Edge. Wait for the Pyramid to come out or get a Desire HD from ebay. its just the European version and has the bands ability. or like what has been mentioned before about the HD2 and load it with Android. Thats what Im using which is awesome becasue you can use the HSDPA speeds and 3G speeds and have that huge 4.3 inch display and still have a 1ghz snapdragon processor.. another awesome thing about it is that there is SOOO many roms you can load to customize your phone like if you wanted the basic Sense Rom like the inspire or the Evo there are plenty of roms for it, if yo wanted the MyTouch 4G rom then you can load it, if you wanted a Nexus Rom then you can load it, and its much faster with updates so you can even have Gingerbread already on your phone and they are even already gettting the bugs worked out of having Honeycomb on the good ole HD2. its overall a very under rated phone but thats because it had tons of issues with WinMo 6.5 but with ANdroid loaded on it I havent had problem one with it.. Im sure others have thier opinion but thats mine for it.. hopefully any info helps...
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But his question is specifically asking to use 3g on other carriers. Which the answer is no, even rooting won't help. It's a hardware limitation.
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didn't you read the quote i replied too? i said nothing about being able to use 3g, infact, i said quite the opposite, i confirmed like others, 3g will not work. :rollseyes: gotta love ppl who don't read what you actually posted.
Oh I missed the last statement of your post. It was tagged there at the end.
AT&T to Buy T-Mobile for $39 Billion USD
AT&T to Buy T-Mobile for $39 Billion USD
T-Mobile 3G (i think 4G also) Phones Will Require Replacement After AT&T Merger
SO buying this phone and unlocking it will give u a little while to use T-Mobiles services (maybe 2 years AT MOST) after that u will need an AT&T phone
but the trade off to being able to use T-Mobile for a while is that u will be at slower speeds for a while BEFORE AT&T destroys this grate service provider
can you say "Cingular" ?
so this is the best GSM phone as it will be merger proof !!
Internet settings?
hey guys i realize this is an older post but i rooted and unlocked my htc inspire and put in a Tmobile sim card and calls work fine and text messages too the phone automatically detected apn and everything but i cant get it to connect to the internet what should i do is there a way to set to 2g networks only? is that even required?
u will not get 3g on tmobile..ive tried
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[Q] Help with AT&T bands, or why the rest of the world is more advanced than the U.S.
I need to buy a smartphone before the end of June for use in my new life in mainland China, but have ended up with many questions regarding how useful my phone would be if I returned to the U.S.
So China, being civilized like the rest of the world, uses only the 2100 band GSM for its 3G, at least at China Unicom. So as far as I understand, any phone that gets GSM 2100 gets 3G.
The trouble is what happens if I move back to the U.S.? I want a phone that will last for years. Seems like the only game in town is AT&T unless the feds stop the T-Mobile deal. So my phone has to be 850/1900/2100 to get 3G in the U.S., as I understand it. (At&T isn't exactly forthcoming on this on its site, so this is from this forum and other sources.)
My two candidates are the LG Optimus 2X and the Samsung Nexus S. The 2X has 900/1900/2100 3G bands and decent enough hardware that I'm relatively futureproof gear-wise. The Nexus S has -- at least where I live currently -- 900, 1700 and 2100 3G bands, and Google's stamp of approval means I'm futureproof on the software side.
My confusion comes from what all these numbers mean. Does my phone has to be just one of these bands to get 3G? Two of them? Or is all this a misnomer, and 1900/2100 is in fact its own unique band? Why do I need all these extra bands when most countries have just 2100? What am I missing if I go LG 2X and miss the 850 band?
Does having only two and not all three on my phone mean I would get 3G data only some of the time? Or must I meet all these criteria? Is one upload and one download?
And why is U.S. telecom so screwed up while the rest of the world seems to do just fine? (OK that one may be more of a rant than a question)
There are phones that hit on all the bands, but Motorola is closed software-wise and I don't want that, while Samsung Galaxy S II and iPhone 4 are both too expensive for me.
I'm clearly slow, and not an expert, but if anyone has time to educate me I would much appreciate it.
Hmm, this site suggests AT&T works on either 850 OR 1900. In other words, you need just one or the other on your phone, but not both:
wwwSPACE.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml ((sorry I still can't link))
So the LG Optimus 2X would work in U.S.? Pity about Nexus S, because I prefer it for the likely long-term developer support, but life wouldn't be so bad with the Optimus 2X, now would it?
So I have no idea whether this is true, but Google and message boards tell me AT&T has two 3G bands, one 850 and one 1900. They don't need each other to work. Instead, they just duplicate.
Why? I don't know. There may be no logical reason, this being AT&T.
So that suggests in places where AT&T has kept 1900, a phone like the LG Optimus 2X (900/1900/2100) will work fine, and in places where it doesn't it won't. This map suggests wide overlap.
(Still can't post links. Great. Google "cellular maps" "AT&T" "850" and "1900." Thank God the board is safe from links!)
Bear in mind that none of what I've written here fits the definition of "fact." I have no education in this. But somebody's gotta continue the conversation and I'm unafraid to look stupid.
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So I have no idea whether this is true, but Google and message boards tell me AT&T has two 3G bands, one 850 and one 1900. They don't need each other to work. Instead, they just duplicate.
Why? I don't know. There may be no logical reason, this being AT&T.
So that suggests in places where AT&T has kept 1900, a phone like the LG Optimus 2X (900/1900/2100) will work fine, and in places where it doesn't it won't. This map suggests wide overlap.
(Still can't post links. Great. Google "cellular maps" "AT&T" "850" and "1900." Thank God the board is safe from links!)
Bear in mind that none of what I've written here fits the definition of "fact." I have no education in this. But somebody's gotta continue the conversation and I'm unafraid to look stupid.
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The bands are frequency ranges, so it means that the phone will broadcast/receive on the 850 MHZ range, or 1900 MHZ range. Don't know if this helps, but that is what they are talking about.
Check out PDADB
I think you will find www.pdadb.net to be your new friend. So bottom line is if you want AT&T 3G you need 850/1900, Australia and Canada are the only other places that utilize these bands for their 3G from my knowledge. If you can find a Nexus S that has the North American bands it will do AT&T 3G (it will be the Canadian version). The normal Nexus S state-side is the AWS packed version (AWS = 1700 or T-Mobile 3/4G).
900/2100 are your standard European international 3G spectrum, and well 2100 is pretty much everywhere, even China as you found!
Say you go the AT&T store and ask them for a "World" phone then it is more than likely banded for 2100 in addition to 850/1900!
I hope that helps you!
EDIT: On PDADB.net you will want to look for UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100. IF it says GSM850, 1900, etc. that means it will do 2G on those bands but not pick up 3G on them!
EDIT 2: Nexus S with AT&T bands can be found here just click on Source 1 at the bottom of the article!
Thanks all! Yes, big help.
Where I live the i9020a hasn't appeared, and why should it? It's needed only in America. Meanwhile, the LG Optimus 2X is the same price here as the Nexus S, which is very very tempting.
Still, I may hold out until the i9020a or the white version of the Nexus S appears, and decide accordingly.
Hi im waiting for my sensation toarrive....My confusion comes from References to Sensation 4g...In the uk we dont get 4g so mine will not be the 4g,But tools like Temp root all refer to the 4g and dont mention the 3g?
I dont want to brick my shiny phone when it arrives so is anyone able to ellaborate any diffs between the 4g and the uk version? Is the 4g GSM or CDMA? Is the 4g on tmobile??
Sorry if this has been asked i dont want to seem like an arse
The guides work for both, just that most users on here seem to be American. The European model isn't 4G
It is basically just a naming difference, american carriers like to advertise as being "4G" even when they are only operating 3G networks, and the phone is only 3G capable (like T-Mobile US - they call HSPA+ "4G", which is a technology most modern networks have implemented at this time and is most definitively "3G").
I don't think there is any GSM/UMTS/LTE-capable phone from a major manufacturer available in the market (or even announced) at this point. There are, however, some USB datasticks that are LTE ("4G") capable.
And while the UK may lag a bit behind in LTE coverage compared to some countries of continental europe (although it really doesn't matter all that much at this point), LTE trials are being conducted in the UK at this time.
The Sensation and Sensation 4G are both capable of exactly the same speeds & standards.
Don't be fooled by all the "4G"-marketing, it is exceptionally meaningless.
There are a couple here in the US. Verizon and MetroPCS both have LTE.
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Both are CDMA/LTE-carriers, not really comparable.
AT&T has started building a LTE-network as well, but their phones advertised as "4G" are still regular GSM/UMTS-phones (typically HSPA+ capable).
Which further reinforces my point, "4G" has become a meaningless marketing-term slapped on anything to suggest extraordinary speed to the uninformed.
Thanks guys,Great help as usual! Confusing though when US call it 4G and UK call is HSDPA or 3G+
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Thanks guys,Great help as usual! Confusing though when US call it 4G and UK call is HSDPA or 3G+
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Just wondering.. Since UK considers the 10mbs+ some people get as 3g still, what speeds are considered 4G there? Not trying to flame, just curious.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
Where I live, providers advertise with HSPA+ and LTE directly, A1 marketed "air to fiber" to highlight their supposedly fast backend.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
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And you folks are much more accurate in your description. Have to love marketing BS here in the States.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
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I see... So maybe carriers are are advertising 4G speeds and not technology. Makes sense to me. Are speeds there about the same on "3g+ "?
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And you folks are much more accurate in your description. Have to love marketing BS here in the States.
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Lol yea.. I I just signed a contract with America's largest 4G network and constantly get 200–500kbs on speedtest.
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Well when i had my Hero, Editing the build.prop line which said *something*gprs.class=10 to 12 i got 6-7mb download,which was enough to tether to my pc and HOST Modern warfare 2 with no problems
Hi everyone,
sorry for a noob question.
I have a HTC HD2 running an android rom (Typhonn), and tomorrow, i'm going to buy a new HTC, the Htc Sensation. The store says it is a HTC Sensation 4G (T-MObile version).
I have been reading a lot of stuff about, but untill now i'm still unable to distinguish a 4G model from other sensation ( i don't know how it used to be named - maybe vanilla whatelse).
Is there a specific serial number or a simple test or any sign or place in settings or configurations i can go to confirm if it is the genuine 4G model?
Once again, sorry for my bad english, for my noob question, and thanks in advance for your attention.
p.s. yes, i've already googled for it, but find lots of confusing pictures and reviews.
piratashitzu said:
Hi everyone,
sorry for a noob question.
I have an HTC HD2 running an android rom (Typhonn), and tomorrow, i'm going to buy a new HTC, the Htc Sensation. The store says it is a HTC Sensation 4G (T-MObile version).
I have been reading a lot of stuff about, but untill now i'm still unable to distinguish a 4G model from other sensation ( i don't know how it used to be named - maybe vanilla whatelse).
Is there a specific serial number or a simple test or any sign or place in settings or configurations i can go to confirm if it is the genuine 4G model?
Once again, sorry for my bad english, for my noob question, and thanks in advance for your attention.
p.s. yes, i've already googled for it, but find lots of confusing pictures and reviews.
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Youll probably see the T-Mobile logo on it somewhere near the top front of the screen. Also, if this is any sort of reputable dealer, they ought know what they have.
Matt
Easy, the unbranded one has HTC logo in the middle, and 4G version has HTC logo on the left and T-mobile logo on the right (below the top speaker)
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As both are HSPA+ capable, they are both "4G."
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Youll probably see the T-Mobile logo on it somewhere near the top front of the screen. Also, if this is any sort of reputable dealer, they ought know what they have.
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Easy, the unbranded one has HTC logo in the middle, and 4G version has HTC logo on the left and T-mobile logo on the right (below the top speaker)
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Thank you guys. But i've already read about 4G distributted by canadian Bell, then this 4G model comes with a Bell logo in the upper right instead of T-Mobile logo?
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As both are HSPA+ capable, they are both "4G."
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Thank you Rod3, so the only difference is the T-Mobile (or Bell) logo in the right side, just below speaker? Because there are some sites talking sensation is 3G dual band, and 4G is 3G triband. This all based on this comparation.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3922&idPhone2=3875
look at both 3G network line, 4G additional 1700 Mhz capable. This is right?
Maybe it has a sign in the battery like HTC HD2. Can u tell me if your sensatio battery has the model of phone type printed?
Once again thanks.
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Thank you guys. But i've already read about 4G distributted by canadian Bell, then this 4G model comes with a Bell logo in the upper right instead of T-Mobile logo?
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I've never seen a Bell version, but I think it looks the same as unbranded
Edit: I just found pics of Bell version, and yes, it looks the same as unbranded
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I've never seen a Bell version, but I think it looks the same as unbranded
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You are correct. Just the HTC logo under the speaker.
Done.
T-Mobile 4g model bought.
Everything is ok. Actualy no real difference from sensation unbranded (technical specs), just only the T-Mo logo.
Thanks you all.
See you on Sensations subforum.
p.s. Time to read a lot about starting rooting, s-off , mods, roms and other things about this beauty.
There is a difference that is more than cosmetic and that as you already mentioned is the data bands. Where are you and what bands does your provider use for 3G/4G data?
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moto211 said:
There is a difference that is more than cosmetic and that as you already mentioned is the data bands. Where are you and what bands does your provider use for 3G/4G data?
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Bands are the same on both
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Bands are the same on both
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Really? They might be the same on the tmo and the bell mobility versions but the OP didn't mention bell mobility. And I could be mistaken, but doesn't the tmo version have different bands then say the unbranded european version?
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Really? They might be the same on the tmo and the bell mobility versions but the OP didn't mention bell mobility. And I could be mistaken, but doesn't the tmo version have different bands then say the unbranded european version?
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Bell and tmobile are different bands.
The bell version has support for 850/1900 wcdma.
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Bands are the same on both
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Sorry to raise this again, but, really? I bought a T-Mobile unlocked Sensation 4G, and on the website I bought it from (newaci.com) the UMTS bands were listed as 900, 1700, 2100. The box, however, had the following on it - 1700, 2100, 1900 (in that order). Now I am using this beauty on Wind Mobile, with is UMTS 1700, so that's fine, but what I'd like to ascertain is whether my phone will work AS 3G (that's crucial) on Bell or Rogers (they both use UMTS 1900 as 3G band).
I don't even know how I can check it. I have a Bell SIM, but as I ported my number, it is no longer able to log on to Bell network (and the plan that came with it didn't have data anyway). HOWEVER, when I put this Bell SIM card into the phone and ask it to search for WCDMA-only networks, it _does_ detect Bell network. But again, as my SIM is not registered at Bell anymore, I cannot register and so I cannot check properly.
Thanks for clarifying in advance.
EDIT: I just checked newayci.com, and it used to be listed on newayci.com as 900-1700-2100 two weeks ago, but now they've corrected the specs to 1900-1700-2100. _However_, again, in the carrier chart them guys claim that the phone, as far as mobile internet browsing is concerned, will only work as 2G on Rogers, and that it won't work on Bell at all - which doesn't add up at all, if UMTS 1900 band is really in the phone (for both Bell and Rogers use it for 3G).
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Sorry to raise this again, but, really? I bought a T-Mobile unlocked Sensation 4G, and on the website I bought it from (newaci.com) the UMTS bands were listed as 900, 1700, 2100. The box, however, had the following on it - 1700, 2100, 1900 (in that order). Now I am using this beauty on Wind Mobile, with is UMTS 1700, so that's fine, but what I'd like to ascertain is whether my phone will work AS 3G (that's crucial) on Bell or Rogers (they both use UMTS 1900 as 3G band).
I don't even know how I can check it. I have a Bell SIM, but as I ported my number, it is no longer able to log on to Bell network (and the plan that came with it didn't have data anyway). HOWEVER, when I put this Bell SIM card into the phone and ask it to search for WCDMA-only networks, it _does_ detect Bell network. But again, as my SIM is not registered at Bell anymore, I cannot register and so I cannot check properly.
Thanks for clarifying in advance.
EDIT: I just checked newayci.com, and it used to be listed on newayci.com as 900-1700-2100 two weeks ago, but now they've corrected the specs to 1900-1700-2100. _However_, again, in the carrier chart them guys claim that the phone, as far as mobile internet browsing is concerned, will only work as 2G on Rogers, and that it won't work on Bell at all - which doesn't add up at all, if UMTS 1900 band is really in the phone (for both Bell and Rogers use it for 3G).
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I meant that Sensation 4G and unbranded Sensation have the same bands. The Bell version has different bands from both
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I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...
czguy said:
I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
I am not posting this question in Android Revolution HD ROM forum because this question is applicable to any custom ROM. Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...
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Whilst you can run the have the same ROM and Radio versions on both phones you cannot convert Z710a <-> Z710e. They have different hardware for the data frequencies.
So in simple terms if your wife want's full 3G functionality she'll need a new phone. She'll still have Voice and Edge though.
czguy said:
I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...
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Hello, I'm from Argentina and I have an almost unused Z710e, if you want we can change if your wife is in the same state, greetings.
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Whilst you can run the have the same ROM and Radio versions on both phones you cannot convert Z710a <-> Z710e. They have different hardware for the data frequencies.
So in simple terms if your wife want's full 3G functionality she'll need a new phone. She'll still have Voice and Edge though.
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We were testing the functionality of both phones in WindMobile store and my wife's phone only connected to their roaming partners. I am not sure if above mentioned company even utilizes regular GSM frequencies... Perhaps the reason why they are so affordable is that they run VOIP all the time as long you are connected to theirs network. So although we spend 99% of the time in their coverage area, she would be paying roaming for everything (voice, text, data).
I am getting some info in different thread that I will try to act upon and see how it works. I am really desperate to cut all my ties with Rogers. I used to have cable TV and internet with them as well (now cancelled) but they keep on screwing customers more and more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32029294&postcount=1359
nick12666 said:
Hello, I'm from Argentina and I have an almost unused Z710e, if you want we can change if your wife is in the same state, greetings.
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That perhaps would be the best thing to do in order to get what I am trying to achieve. My wife's phone is only 2 months old, essentially new...
I've decided to purchase last year's model for her because although being fan of HTC products I would never buy a cellphone without mSD slot (that's what I've hated about my HTC Diamond before). I am just a bit worried about possible issues shipping phones back and forth between Canada and Argentina. Is there someone in Ontario, Canada interested to trade Z710e for Z710a?
czguy said:
We were testing the functionality of both phones in WindMobile store and my wife's phone only connected to their roaming partners. I am not sure if above mentioned company even utilizes regular GSM frequencies... Perhaps the reason why they are so affordable is that they run VOIP all the time as long you are connected to theirs network. So although we spend 99% of the time in their coverage area, she would be paying roaming for everything (voice, text, data).
I am getting some info in different thread that I will try to act upon and see how it works. I am really desperate to cut all my ties with Rogers. I used to have cable TV and internet with them as well (now cancelled) but they keep on screwing customers more and more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32029294&postcount=1359
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GSM (voice) will work fine for both phones on all networks as will EDGE (2G data) on all networks, the issue is the 3G data side of things. So I don't know why GSM doesn't work it certainly should. They both have: Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz. The Z710a/Z710e difference is purely in the 3G side of things.
Re-reading your post, ahhhh VOIP == Data usage. If they purely use VOIP then you're stuffed, I'd be surprised though but I can't comment on that network.
Have a look at: http://www.gsmnation.com/htc-sensation-z710a-3g-850-1900-mhz.html
Then Network Compatibility -- Canada
Unfortunately they seem to have removed the Z710e phone, just invert the 3G ticks/crosses for it.