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Well... I am now being throttled

So I never have come close to using my 5 gb of data but it seems that it happened for the first time last night. I was under the impression that throttling was only used under extreme conditions for repeat offenders seeing as how "some people" have managed to exceed the limit without being hit. My data stands at .01 kbps download and .001 kbps upload. I'm pretty annoyed right now and am giving more and more thought into another carrier and another phone. I am noticing that this phone officially bores me now. Sad because I did like it...til now.
Edit: I've jumped to 45 kbps download and 70 kbps upload. That seems to be the max now..
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well thats what you get for going over 5gb. its life on any carrier and any phone. so if your bored of the phone ok get another phone but your throttled life isnt going to change.

syaoran68 said:
well thats what you get for going over 5gb. its life on any carrier and any phone. so if your bored of the phone ok get another phone but your throttled life isnt going to change.
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Any carrier? Last time I checked, Sprint is the only carrier to have true unlimited data. Rumors have stated Verizon is reconsidering. AT&T continues to honor grandfathered unlimited plans and T-Mobile has done what? Lowered everyone's data allowance regardless of previous plans or time with the company.
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Well I have unlimited android web since last march and I've always had unlimited, no throttle, nothing, I've downloaded unlimited amounts and still no throttle.
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jonathan3579 said:
I'm pretty annoyed right now and am giving more and more thought into another carrier and another phone. I am noticing that this phone officially bores me now. Sad because I did like it...til now.
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I've hit the data throttle points a few times so i can speak from experience.
Just because you've hit the throttle point doesn't mean that the phone in itself sucks. The phone is still the same phone that had good download speeds. If you want to go to another carrier then fine. I'm not going to even attempt to stop you. But keep in mind 5Gb is a fair amount of usage. And other carriers will charge you for going over your limit, not just throttle you.

And for new customers AT&T doesn't even offer unlimited anymore. it's $25 for 2gb and $10 for every gb you use after that.
Sprint has unlimited, but their speeds suck for now. And they have horrible CS.
Verizon is still setting up their LTE network, and I believe once they are up and running they will be great. They don't even have any 4G phones yet. When the Thunderbolt comes out they'll have one, but who knows what you'd think of that phone. I haven't read any reviews.
I also heard some chatter about T-Mo re-raising their limit to 10gb. I hope they do that. IMO t-mo has amazing devices and excellent service, atleast where I live. We have all the major carriers in Spokane, and t-mo has by far the fastest data. CS speaks for itself. JD Power speaks for their customer service too. They speak good things.
In general, I think it's ridiculous for carriers to offer more and more bandwidth intensive apps like Netflix and all the streaming music apps, not to mention the ability to hook into an HDTV via HDMI or DLNA, and then lower the cap on our bandwidth to 5gb. So I hope they increase it again. It would be nice if one day they offered true unlimited and were OK with tethering and all that for us users who'd like to nix our home internet all together.
Either way, welcome to the throttling world. I don't think you'll be happier if you switch to a new carrier. Just suck it up until your next cycle. and next month, use wifi whenever humanly possible to save your data.
Cheers!

jonathan3579 said:
Any carrier? Last time I checked, Sprint is the only carrier to have true unlimited data. Rumors have stated Verizon is reconsidering. AT&T continues to honor grandfathered unlimited plans and T-Mobile has done what? Lowered everyone's data allowance regardless of previous plans or time with the company.
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Clearly you haven't read Sprints terms of service. Go to their website and at the bottom of the page click it and read it.

TJBunch1228 said:
And for new customers AT&T doesn't even offer unlimited anymore. it's $25 for 2gb and $10 for every gb you use after that.
Sprint has unlimited, but their speeds suck for now. And they have horrible CS.
Verizon is still setting up their LTE network, and I believe once they are up and running they will be great. They don't even have any 4G phones yet. When the Thunderbolt comes out they'll have one, but who knows what you'd think of that phone. I haven't read any reviews.
I also heard some chatter about T-Mo re-raising their limit to 10gb. I hope they do that. IMO t-mo has amazing devices and excellent service, atleast where I live. We have all the major carriers in Spokane, and t-mo has by far the fastest data. CS speaks for itself. JD Power speaks for their customer service too. They speak good things.
In general, I think it's ridiculous for carriers to offer more and more bandwidth intensive apps like Netflix and all the streaming music apps, not to mention the ability to hook into an HDTV via HDMI or DLNA, and then lower the cap on our bandwidth to 5gb. So I hope they increase it again. It would be nice if one day they offered true unlimited and were OK with tethering and all that for us users who'd like to nix our home internet all together.
Either way, welcome to the throttling world. I don't think you'll be happier if you switch to a new carrier. Just suck it up until your next cycle. and next month, use wifi whenever humanly possible to save your data.
Cheers!
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Yeah, one of my good friends has discovered the wonderful fees from AT&T which I would fight. He crosses 2 gb within a week or two every bill. (And he doesn't know how to tether either...)
I have seen some relatively good speeds from Sprint here in Houston. And their $69 plan seems to be a pretty good option as well.
Verizon is the carrier that interests me the most and like you said, I believe they will be good once they finish with LTE. I am sure that I would like the Thunderbolt BUT I don't believe it to be anything groundbreaking. Let's face it, the specs are last year's best. (Actually, I don't think that even counts since the LG Optimus 2X was released in December albeit in another country.)
I have enjoyed T-Mobiles customer service however I feel that the company as a whole is making too many mistakes in exactly what you said - Promoting apps that use up a helluva lot more data with streaming and the like. On a side note, the data increase has been confirmed for the hotspot devices but nothing as far as I know of when it comes to phones. Disappointing really.
I guess this whole thing pisses me off because I have never come close to reaching the cap. In fact, I typically don't ever cross 2 gb of data so when I finally decide to dig into streaming music, tv, and movies then I get hit slowing my phone to a near complete stop. The phone isn't completely useless but it's just a fragment of what I loved about it. And syncing is taking forever thus draining my battery faster. I know there are plenty of people who have passed the threshold numerous times with no recourse but I cross it once (and haven't even checked by how much) and don't even so much as receive a data warning? I dunno....it just makes me think.

I'm always on WiFi so I never worry about this
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BTW, you may want to make sure the data they claimed you used was actually used. They seem to have some issues with their metering system. I ran into this problem last week with Tmob. They claimed I used 5.2GB in 6hours in the middle of the night while my phone was on wifi. Took forever, but they eventually unthrottled me.
More info here: http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Inter...lse-being-wrongly-throttled/m-p/755761#M23072

were you Downloading torrents?
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carmeng4evr said:
I'm always on WiFi so I never worry about this
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Me too so this is a non issue for me
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surfnhawaii808 said:
were you Downloading torrents?
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I'm not sure if that was directed at me or the OP, but no, I don't use my phone for torrents. I've got a mac mini server that I download everything on. I just use transdroid remote control to monitor them from my phone.

I download music and apps I buy,i also play a lot of youtube and surf all day long.
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Data responsibility
Don't get pissed at T-Mo
People that are at the top users of T-Mo will get throttled so that "you guys" don't ruin it for the rest of us.
I don't want my download speeds / latency affected because a small subset of people eat up the bandwidth thinking that T-Mo can replace their ISP. I surf, stream, communicate, etc on my phone, but I'm responsible enough to use WiFi when possible as to not lag the network.
Not sure about everyone else, but when I want my mobile data, it needs to be quick. So I use wifi when available to keep my traffic off the towers, so others that need it won't be hampered.

So if Verizon charges this much for data plans...

First off I dont have to worry about it because I already have the TBolt.. However, if friends or family ever switch over, it could be an issue for them...
That being said - if they are going to have this implemented, they need to make some changes to the android OS.
First off - when you buy a new phone, the employee types in your gmail address and syncs your phone. This is done over 3/4G since they rarely bother to put you on wifi for doing this. Not to mention you probably want to leave the store... Therefore you will be syncing all your apps on your wireless account consuming your bandwidth.
There are too many instances that the OS contacts the net for this to be viable and pointless if you turn them off. My iPhone on at&t never went over 900mb a month and I use it the same amount as this android phone. The difference? The iPhone doesnt sync over the web and pull all of your apps back down for you if you factory reset or load a custom rom. On the TBolt, I regularly hit over 10gb per month.
I believe Verizon must limit bandwidth after you reach your paid allowance, not charge overages. The FCC really needs to step in here as this is literally the internet form of rape.
I guess Sprint is smiling now?

psufan5 said:
First off I dont have to worry about it because I already have the TBolt.. However, if friends or family ever switch over, it could be an issue for them...
That being said - if they are going to have this implemented, they need to make some changes to the android OS.
First off - when you buy a new phone, the employee types in your gmail address and syncs your phone. This is done over 3/4G since they rarely bother to put you on wifi for doing this. Not to mention you probably want to leave the store... Therefore you will be syncing all your apps on your wireless account consuming your bandwidth.
There are too many instances that the OS contacts the net for this to be viable and pointless if you turn them off. My iPhone on at&t never went over 900mb a month and I use it the same amount as this android phone. The difference? The iPhone doesnt sync over the web and pull all of your apps back down for you if you factory reset or load a custom rom. On the TBolt, I regularly hit over 10gb per month.
I believe Verizon must limit bandwidth after you reach your paid allowance, not charge overages. The FCC really needs to step in here as this is literally the internet form of rape.
I guess Sprint is smiling now?
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most people aren't loading custom roms (not to mention it's not Verizon's problem, technically they don't condone it), or downloading them over 3G/4G, but rather via the computer and transferring over USB. How you hit 10 GB without netflix is beyond me. If you're using LTE as a home internet sub than that's a whole different topic.
Streaming music for ~2hours a day except on the weekend, and moderate use each day, only puts me at max around 4GB.

psufan5 said:
First off I dont have to worry about it because I already have the TBolt.. However, if friends or family ever switch over, it could be an issue for them...
That being said - if they are going to have this implemented, they need to make some changes to the android OS.
First off - when you buy a new phone, the employee types in your gmail address and syncs your phone. This is done over 3/4G since they rarely bother to put you on wifi for doing this. Not to mention you probably want to leave the store... Therefore you will be syncing all your apps on your wireless account consuming your bandwidth.
There are too many instances that the OS contacts the net for this to be viable and pointless if you turn them off. My iPhone on at&t never went over 900mb a month and I use it the same amount as this android phone. The difference? The iPhone doesnt sync over the web and pull all of your apps back down for you if you factory reset or load a custom rom. On the TBolt, I regularly hit over 10gb per month.
I believe Verizon must limit bandwidth after you reach your paid allowance, not charge overages. The FCC really needs to step in here as this is literally the internet form of rape.
I guess Sprint is smiling now?
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Well several things. No one has to let the vzw employees set up their phones. No one is required to sync their apps or even download any. And why should vzw, if /once they go to tiered plans simply throttle instead of charge overage. Go over you cell minutes you pay extra. Same for txt. And how is it any concern of the FCC if vzw changes their plans?
My main issue with the plans as rumored is that they do not include tethering. Most normal users will be fine with a 2g cap. My gf, on a rooted DX with Netflix, has used 700 megs this month. Just for example.
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JBAeroEngineer said:
most people aren't loading custom roms (not to mention it's not Verizon's problem, technically they don't condone it), or downloading them over 3G/4G, but rather via the computer and transferring over USB. How you hit 10 GB without netflix is beyond me. If you're using LTE as a home internet sub than that's a whole different topic.
Streaming music for ~2hours a day except on the weekend, and moderate use each day, only puts me at max around 4GB.
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Really? I haven't been able to stay under 10 gigs since Amazon Cloud / Google Music came out. And that is about 2-3 hours a day. Although I do use TuneIn Radio the other 90% of the time...

Yeah, lucky for most of us TB users, we are grandfathered in to the "unlimited" plans. I have been a VZ customer for over 15 years now, and there is no question that their services is the best....
But when the time comes for me to sign another contract, if these are the terms I will probably be forced to switch carriers...
Sprint looks appealing, they have strong data coverage in my area...and I am not concerned about "dropped calls" because I almost never use the phone any more...
Hopefully this kind of pricing will force more competition. Maybe if they offered unlimited texting and cheaper (lower than 450 minute) phone plans along with it, that would soften the blow.
I am also finding that 4G speeds really only matter to me when tethering, other than that 3G does everything I need just fine with better battery life. I could definitely do with "slower" 4G speeds with another carrier.

JBAeroEngineer said:
most people aren't loading custom roms (not to mention it's not Verizon's problem, technically they don't condone it), or downloading them over 3G/4G, but rather via the computer and transferring over USB. How you hit 10 GB without netflix is beyond me. If you're using LTE as a home internet sub than that's a whole different topic.
Streaming music for ~2hours a day except on the weekend, and moderate use each day, only puts me at max around 4GB.
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FTP transfer for work on the fly while traveling around town. My phone is on the car charger or my desk charger most of the day. And I have an Unlimited Verizon 3G mobile modem for my laptop, so no it isn't tethering.

turbosrrgood said:
Yeah, lucky for most of us TB users, we are grandfathered in to the "unlimited" plans. I have been a VZ customer for over 15 years now, and there is no question that their services is the best....
But when the time comes for me to sign another contract, if these are the terms I will probably be forced to switch carriers...
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Why switch carriers? Since they did away with the 1-year commitment earlier this year, I made the decision just to buy my phones without a subsidy. Therefore, no need for a new contract. I got my TBolt on eBay for a pretty decent price and it's like new.

bogatyr said:
FTP transfer for work on the fly while traveling around town. My phone is on the car charger or my desk charger most of the day. And I have an Unlimited Verizon 3G mobile modem for my laptop, so no it isn't tethering.
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way to use a completely off base scenario

JBAeroEngineer said:
way to use a completely off base scenario
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Well you did say:
How you hit 10 GB without netflix is beyond me. If you're using LTE as a home internet sub than that's a whole different topic.
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Was just giving you an example that doesn't involve tethering I use 50-70GB/mo on my phone. A lot less on my grandfathered laptop modem - mostly VPN/Remote desktop/Console work.

10GB a month? wtf?
I just averaged up my last 6 months and i average .21 GB a month. and i stream pandora, have all my accounts syncing and look on the net, facebook and twitter all day. When i get my tablet (hopefully the amazon hollywood) this will go down evenmore bc i'll be using it at home on my wifi.

I use mine heavily with netflix....and i was around 4 gigs this month

I also call shenanigans on 10gigs a month just by synching. I use about 6gigs a month but I use my LTE for a lot of things.

turbosrrgood said:
Yeah, lucky for most of us TB users, we are grandfathered in to the "unlimited" plans. I have been a VZ customer for over 15 years now, and there is no question that their services is the best....
But when the time comes for me to sign another contract, if these are the terms I will probably be forced to switch carriers...
Sprint looks appealing, they have strong data coverage in my area...and I am not concerned about "dropped calls" because I almost never use the phone any more...
Hopefully this kind of pricing will force more competition. Maybe if they offered unlimited texting and cheaper (lower than 450 minute) phone plans along with it, that would soften the blow.
I am also finding that 4G speeds really only matter to me when tethering, other than that 3G does everything I need just fine with better battery life. I could definitely do with "slower" 4G speeds with another carrier.
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Sprint coverage maps are a joke, yes they have coverage but the towers are so overloaded you are lucky to break 200/kbps (yes, 200k) downstream on rev A. EVDO during the day.
WiMax is great if you are on top of your roof or in an open field, but as soon as you get into any structure with more integrity than a tree house your signal tanks (Charlotte, SC has the best Wimax from my observation) because it operates at such a high frequency.
After being a customer for 11 years I jumped ship from Sprint over the weekend and picked up two TBs to replace my 2 EVO's. Sprint 3G is horrendous, not just in South Carolina, but in NYC, Charlotte, Atlanta, San Francisco, Detroit---I have traveled to all of these places in the last 6 months, and in each location I test between the hacked Verizon PRL for the EVO and the most recent Sprint PRL both in a Sense ROM and on Cyanogen...without fail, the year old hacked Verizon 3G PRL is faster, and more consistent. I was hoping my contract would just be canceled for having 5+ gigs of roaming data every month (not supposed to exceed 300 megs), but alas I was grandfathered into unlimited roaming data.
Sprint has been "upgrading its network" for years now yet the service still seems completely overburdened. I'm going to spend 40 bucks more a month going to Verizon for two lines, but I don't really care at this point, I would rather pay to play than save and suffer...

bogatyr said:
Well you did say:
Was just giving you an example that doesn't involve tethering I use 50-70GB/mo on my phone. A lot less on my grandfathered laptop modem - mostly VPN/Remote desktop/Console work.
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that's something that most companies should/would/could pay for. you're clearly an outlier in phone usage.

velopirate said:
Why switch carriers? Since they did away with the 1-year commitment earlier this year, I made the decision just to buy my phones without a subsidy. Therefore, no need for a new contract. I got my TBolt on eBay for a pretty decent price and it's like new.
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Did you have a 4g plan or is the unlimited data plan independent of 3/4g? Are you able to use the 4gon th e TB without having upgrade?

I use 6-8GB per month.
I know I could cut that more than in half if I wasn't ROM Flash happy and dl'd them on my PC instead of the phone.
I have 12 down and 1 up at home...I often get faster with my LTE/Bolt.
I can survive...somehow...with downloading ROMs, etc., on my PC...lol.

Update via Droid-Life
Hopefully this is the case:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/2...-by-tiered-data-only-new-customers-and-lines/

The prices for data are criminal. The prices for tethering are even more so. I'm happy I'm grandfathered in, but I doubt I'll ever go over the 2GB since I'm on WiFi 99% of the time. I didn't even want a data plan because I have so little use for one.

Taykiin said:
Hopefully this is the case:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/2...-by-tiered-data-only-new-customers-and-lines/
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I hope this is truth I barely got my TB for the same. Reason
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Well I drive a truck and use the phone for everything, on my imago I was lucky to stay under 8gigs, with the bolt I am at 20gigs
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[Q] Tethering Police?

Has anyone actually been caught by the tethering police? I mean have they sent you a notice or anything?
Also, do you think I would be caught? I have used between 11 to 20 gigs a month for 6 months straight with my previous phone(Tilt2) and now I that I have the Infuse, would they even know If I was tethering or not since I would be using the same amount of data as I previously have?
Any input would be appreciated

Without trying to sound like a jerk, you do realize it's people like you that are the reason they have to police it in the first place?
20 gigs isn't off the charts outrageous, cause there are guys that say they've used up to 50 gigs in a month. Every time my bill goes up, I say a thank you to each one of you.

antuus said:
Without trying to sound like a jerk, you do realize it's people like you that are the reason they have to police it in the first place?
20 gigs isn't off the charts outrageous, cause there are guys that say they've used up to 50 gigs in a month. Every time my bill goes up, I say a thank you to each one of you.
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Lol
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antuus said:
Without trying to sound like a jerk, you do realize it's people like you that are the reason they have to police it in the first place?
20 gigs isn't off the charts outrageous, cause there are guys that say they've used up to 50 gigs in a month. Every time my bill goes up, I say a thank you to each one of you.
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That doesn't really answer my question... but hey, thanks!!

antuus said:
Without trying to sound like a jerk, you do realize it's people like you that are the reason they have to police it in the first place?
20 gigs isn't off the charts outrageous, cause there are guys that say they've used up to 50 gigs in a month. Every time my bill goes up, I say a thank you to each one of you.
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Thanks for the tiered data.
Hope you do get caught.
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antuus said:
Without trying to sound like a jerk, you do realize it's people like you that are the reason they have to police it in the first place?
20 gigs isn't off the charts outrageous, cause there are guys that say they've used up to 50 gigs in a month. Every time my bill goes up, I say a thank you to each one of you.
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well if he stops know, theyll suspect something!
tbh, i pay for unlimited data. ive tethered a few times but not more than checking that i can or to run speed tests. even though i dont really tether, i still use alot of data. thats why i have the unlimited data plan. att knows this. ive been paying them for years to know this.

The Jack of Clubs said:
well if he stops know, theyll suspect something!
tbh, i pay for unlimited data. ive tethered a few times but not more than checking that i can or to run speed tests. even though i dont really tether, i still use alot of data. thats why i have the unlimited data plan. att knows this. ive been paying them for years to know this.
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I'm not going to get into the "well unlimited is unlimited and why does it matter how I use my unlimited." That's an argument that I feel both sides has a good argument for, so why waste the time.
I have no issues if you download gigs of porn to your phone, month after month. My issue is with the people that tether to excess just because they can. I can't tell you how thankful I am that ATT did lose a good amount of customers to VZW when the iP4 hit their shelves. Now those fanboys are bogging down the VZW network and not ours. Now I can only hope that more of these guys look for greener pastures so my bill stops inflating.

att prepared for the iphone originally with its separate apn and all that. it helped but you saw more iphones with down service than other phone users. really set up a bad name for att. has anybody even bought the iphone on verizon? i remember the launch day being a flop, havent really kept up with apple news since then.

antuus said:
I'm not going to get into the "well unlimited is unlimited and why does it matter how I use my unlimited." That's an argument that I feel both sides has a good argument for, so why waste the time.
I have no issues if you download gigs of porn to your phone, month after month. My issue is with the people that tether to excess just because they can. I can't tell you how thankful I am that ATT did lose a good amount of customers to VZW when the iP4 hit their shelves. Now those fanboys are bogging down the VZW network and not ours. Now I can only hope that more of these guys look for greener pastures so my bill stops inflating.
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I do not tether on excess just because I can. I do it because I have no other means to connect to the internet and It wouldn't be the same on my phone's browser. Yes it has a flash player plugin, but that doesn't mean I can do everything I can do in a computer environment. If I had access to internet by any other means, then I wouldn't tether from my phone. There was no need for you or anyone to be harsh to me without hearing my side of the story thank you very much.

MikeyMike01 said:
Thanks for the tiered data.
Hope you do get caught.
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Agree. If I tether a lot in a month, MAYBE I'll cross 2 gigs. I make a point of keeping my tethering light.
However with the new phone I suspect I'll come closer to that 2gig limit a lot more often. (Fortunately I don't have it, since I'm unlimited.)
But 11-20 gigs/month without paying for tethering is just plain irresponsible. With abuse like that I'm surprised you haven't gotten busted and I wouldn't feel sorry for you if you did.

I had a grandfather plan - $20/mo unlimited data.
I've changed 5 or 6 smartphones since I had it, now on Infuse 4G, I'm getting the sucky-ass AT&T 4G speeds, tether to laptop when needed - no tethering plan.
I don't use that much though, about 2GB/month max.
I asked AT&T rep directly about this - she said they'll never change the plan unless I specifically allow it. She said they can't switch me.

well, there is that tethermanager.apk on stock that seems to report back to AT&T if you're tethering.
then if they feel like it they will text you and say "don't keep doing it or we'll swap you to the tethering plan"
you can freeze that with titanium backup (well you need to be rooted too) and that reactivates the stock tethering stuff built into the phone (both mobile ap and usb tethering)

hwaters said:
well, there is that tethermanager.apk on stock that seems to report back to AT&T if you're tethering.
then if they feel like it they will text you and say "don't keep doing it or we'll swap you to the tethering plan"
you can freeze that with titanium backup (well you need to be rooted too) and that reactivates the stock tethering stuff built into the phone (both mobile ap and usb tethering)
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Well that really isn't helpful(since I have already done all that) but thanks. I'm talking about AT&T's "Tether Police" that monitor data spikes and accuse you of tethering if your data seems different for any other month.

Earlier this year, a At&t added a tethering plan to thousands of accounts based on data usage. They also alerted many more they would do the same. I only know of three people to have this done to them
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MikeyMike01 said:
Thanks for the tiered data.
Hope you do get caught.
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That's why att sucks ass...
Grapes

I've been unlimited for years now, i don't know nor care how much data I use. I can tether if I want, which means if my home internet goes down and I need my pc, guess what... I'm tethering. I give att $200 per month for my phone plan over the past 4 years at lest, I highly doubt they'll piss me off and attach a tether plan to my account.
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Rldowney said:
Earlier this year, a At&t added a tethering plan to thousands of accounts based on data usage. They also alerted many more they would do the same. I only know of three people to have this done to them
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While what you say isn't exactly what happened they have been flagging a very large percentage iPhone users who have tethered even for a matter of 3 minutes.
I currently have an iPhone 4 (should finally have my INFUSE today) and only one time have tethered and probably for less than 30 seconds just to see if the Cydia app worked. All I did was go to speedtest.net and ran the test 2 or 3 times. That was it. About 2 weeks later I got the WARNING text. Plan was never changed. They only will change it if you ignore their warning(s) and do not call them to "discuss" it as they request in their text.
As for me, traveling in North, Central and South NJ, AT&T 3G is virtually useless. Speeds are terrible and the latency is horrendous. I have no idea how people can actually regularly use tethering. I guess it's better in other areas. Been that way through 3 iPhones over 4+ years so I have no desire to tether anyway.

I think the tethering and data caps are completely separate issues. ATT had a plan, or at least the idea, for tiered data plans long before the iPhone was even capable of tethering without being jailbroken. Tethering plans are complete bull****, and I'm sure the FCC will eventually make them illegal. If you pay for a data connection, you should be able to use it any way you want. It's like ATT trying to charge you for the separate phones in your house (or at least a premium to allow you to use more than just one phone). I also think the tethering police are a joke too. I'm sure (especially since they allow sideloading), that any kind of traffic that can be generating by a computer can be replicated in android.

Is anyone being throttled?

Killed 17GB last month. Now my tether kicks on, I start a download, it drops slowly and crashes. My phone browser even looses internet and I still have "4G." I am just curious to see if anyone else is having the same issue.

AnalyzeFaith said:
Killed 17GB last month. Now my tether kicks on, I start a download, it drops slowly and crashes. My phone browser even looses internet and I still have "4G." I am just curious to see if anyone else is having the same issue.
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you probably are. none of what i'm going to say is verified but my friend told me that verizon will give you 5GB of 4g and then drop you down to 3g. in addition, if you are in the top 5-10% of users of data for a month you will be throttled and they will probably look at what you're doing too.
using 17gb on your phone is not a smart thing to do and you shouldn't do it again. all it does is take bandwidth from others and cause verizon to go to tiered data plans

I used 34gb last month and the month before I used 26gb. I'm not being throttled. My billing month just started and ive burned 6gb already too.
But I wouldn't be surprised if they started throttling me. Lol. Its definitely possible.
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you probably are. none of what i'm going to say is verified but my friend told me that verizon will give you 5GB of 4g and then drop you down to 3g. in addition, if you are in the top 5-10% of users of data for a month you will be throttled and they will probably look at what you're doing too.
using 17gb on your phone is not a smart thing to do and you shouldn't do it again. all it does is take bandwidth from others and cause verizon to go to tiered data plans
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Do you work for verizon?
Why is downloading 20gb+ of data bad? If I'm paying for unlimited data that is what I should get. I will take full advantage of it unitl they force us all onto the tiered plans. They can look around all they want at what I'm downloading, I don't care.

Ever hear, "takes on bad apple to ruin it for the rest?"
Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.
It's uwhy prices are the way they are. I hope they are throttling abusive users.
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you can and should because you pay for it. the prices are rising, because companies need to find ways to make shareholders happy by making more expensive crappier services. if what netflix says is true then that 17GB cost verzion less than a dollar.

With 4G phones it will be commonplace to use that much data. Look at all the streaming media services that come preinstalled and others that are available like netflix. Peoples data usage will continue to increase and the carriers know it.

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Do you work for verizon?
Why is downloading 20gb+ of data bad? If I'm paying for unlimited data that is what I should get. I will take full advantage of it unitl they force us all onto the tiered plans. They can look around all they want at what I'm downloading, I don't care.
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You are paying for unlimited data for your PHONE not unlimited data for whatever you feel like downloading from whatever device you have. If you were downloading more then 3-4GB on your phone in a month, I'd love to know how you did it, even with 4G. If you have a tethering plan and it is unlimited, then go for it, but if you're going to complain about the data caps and throttling when being part of the problem, GTFO.

I am currently at 41 gb, no problems so far. I did sign up for the unlimited tethering the day it launched though. It was a no brainer for me.
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A whole bunch of tornlogic going on in here. From people I would not expect it from either.
IMO download as much as you want.anyway you want. Throttling is BS.
Its your right to try and screw them and if course they are taking full advantage of their right to screw you.
But we will find a way around these tier data plans just like we find a way around everything else they shackle us with.
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A single movie stream could be more than a gigabyte. If i watch one movie a day i could easly hit 30+ gigabytes. That is just streaming to the phone. Correct me if im wrong but that's the point right.
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A single movie stream could be more than a gigabyte. If i watch one movie a day i could easly hit 30+ gigabytes. That is just streaming to the phone. Correct me if im wrong but that's the point right.
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If the bold statement is true, then I wholly agree with this argument. With all the services being offered for the mobile devices, it will be much easier to burn through GB of data. A phone doesn't have to be tethered to anything to stream media.
HBO Go looks like it is streaming low quality video, sometimes worse than YouTube. Netflix, however, looks very crisp and clear and I suspect uses much more data. Sometimes even YouTube HQ looks superb. The last two streaming services probably use a boatload of bandwidth, all legally of course.
This hasn't even taken into account streaming audio with high quality from services like Pandora or Slacker Radio. And yes, the difference between low quality and high quality is very noticeable.
With that said, I really do not know for a fact exactly how much data a movie stream is using. It is just easier these days to use more data with access to high quality streaming media. The service providers probably realize this, and it is probably their justification for going into tiered plans and protecting their assets. This way, when their infrastructure does catch up to the demand, we the users are used to paying more. At this point the service providers might not feel the need to lower prices back to what they once were - it's all just profit.

Got my charge the day before the tiered pricing on data started and am grandfathered in on the unlimited plan. Still lookin for loopholes on how I can keep it that way.
In the three days of having the phone, I had racked up 1.2gb in data. That was just from downloading a few apps and themes as well a moderate pandora usage. Lately, I have been turning off my mobile data and using wifi anytime it's available.
VZW has been talking about moving to a tiered pricing structure for quite some time now. It's rather sad that they push all of the benefits of blazing fast data, then jack up the prices once people are hooked. Fact of the matter is, that from a coverage standpoint, I have nowhere else to go, and they know it.
The ball is in big red's court now. They may lose customers. They may not. But, until I have a more viable solution, I will have to pay.
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Could you legitimately rack up several GB/mo streaming media? Yes. Are you going to? Doubtful. Who watches 30+ movies on their phone in a month? You're going to tie yourself to a wall outlet, and given that everyone already complains about bad battery life, you aren't watching that many movies, or that many YouTube videos on your phone.
I could see streaming high quality Pandora, but then again, it seems that everyone here is to cheap to pay for Pandora, so after your 40 hrs are up, there goes your usage, and I doubt you'd get over say 10GB using Pandora for 40 hrs as I can't see even their "high quality" stream being to significant in terms of the bit rate.
Can we use more data now? Most certainly, and 4G only lets us do it faster, but be reasonable in your assumptions. Who has time to watch a movie on their phone every day of the month, or would even want to do so? I'd rather watch a movie on a crappy tube TV before I sat and watched one full movie on my phone. Streaming music is about the only reasonable excuse people have, even with the nice display on the Charge making video look good. Even then, there is no way you're going to use 30+GB every month just on your phone unless you have it constantly plugged in.

does Verizon need tiered plans? Honestly I agree with the fact that you pay for unlimited you get unlimited, no matter how you achieve it. Verizon should just make their hotspot free and then throttle that and put a cap on that is more reasonable than forcing everyone into a data plan that doesn't fit their needs... Verizon is out to screw people so is att and all the rest. Verizon wouldn't have gone to tiered if it weren't for their competition doing the same. One company does one thing all the rest follow suit. Come on verizon! what i pay $100 for insurance or something and if my phone breaks i still have to pay 100$ for a new phone?( I'm sorry refurbished..someone elses broken fix POS) What the heck good is insurance then? The economy is falling apart because of companies doing this. And people pay because they cant get out without a fee and they have no where to go because all the other companies either lack in service or are doing the same practice. Companies are suing each other for millions sometimes billions like its toy cash. That's proof they are ripping off the end user. Where does alll this money come from that should be used to invest in their company not throw it around in other companies faces. Heck was this a common practice even 10 years ago? NO. Cell phone companies have users by the nads and are not going to let go anytime soon

I agree with the OP. If Verizon sells unlimited data, it is their responsibility to provide it. Reaching over ten gb a month is easily achievable (I had one gb in my first day). Just because customers like the OP take advantage of their unlimited data does not mean they should be punished for it with a throttle. IMO, throttling is false advertising. Now, I can see throttling for those who tether through root and rack up an excessive amount of data. However, as long as it's on the phone, its rudiculous to throttle.

wow this is a heated thread.
I have both the unlimited on phone and unlimited on the hotspot and ill keep this phone forever if i have to do that to keep it.
I am a truckdriver so i dont have the option of jumping on the house internet everyday and i pay for my netflix so im going to use it and that uses alot of bandwith.

does Verizon need tiered plans? Honestly I agree with the fact that you pay for unlimited you get unlimited, no matter how you achieve it. Verizon should just make their hotspot free and then throttle that and put a cap on that is more reasonable than forcing everyone into a data plan that doesn't fit their needs... Verizon is out to screw people so is att and all the rest. Verizon wouldn't have gone to tiered if it weren't for their competition doing the same. One company does one thing all the rest follow suit. Come on verizon! what i pay $100 for insurance or something and if my phone breaks i still have to pay 100$ for a new phone?( I'm sorry refurbished..someone elses broken fix POS) What the heck good is insurance then? The economy is falling apart because of companies doing this. And people pay because they cant get out without a fee and they have no where to go because all the other companies either lack in service or are doing the same practice. Companies are suing each other for millions sometimes billions like its toy cash. That's proof they are ripping off the end user. Where does alll this money come from that should be used to invest in their company not throw it around in other companies faces. Heck was this a common practice even 10 years ago? NO. Cell phone companies have users by the nads and are not going to let go anytime soon

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wow this is a heated thread.
I have both the unlimited on phone and unlimited on the hotspot and ill keep this phone forever if i have to do that to keep it.
I am a truckdriver so i dont have the option of jumping on the house internet everyday and i pay for my netflix so im going to use it and that uses alot of bandwith.
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Hope you aren't using that Netflix/Mobile Hotspot while driving your trucks

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wow this is a heated thread.
I have both the unlimited on phone and unlimited on the hotspot and ill keep this phone forever if i have to do that to keep it.
I am a truckdriver so i dont have the option of jumping on the house internet everyday and i pay for my netflix so im going to use it and that uses alot of bandwith.
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This is how I racked up the majority of my gb's. Netflix on the big screen in hd.
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AT&T increases unlimited data throttling threshold

New XDA user. Long time Android fanboy.
Registered to pass along this new article online that was released today. Though I would share for those like myself who are still on the unlimited data plan.
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AT&T revealed today that it has made some adjustments to its data throttling policy for customers still subscribed to legacy unlimited data plans. Customers on these unlimited data plans will now have a higher data cap before throttling kicks in. For those on HSPA+ plans the cap will be 3GB per month, while the cap for LTE customers will be 5GB.
AT&T’s unlimited data throttling policy was instituted back in October of the last year, but the company never did reveal in detail what the data cap would be for throttling, merely stating that only its top 5 percent of heaviest data users would be affected. Early last month, the company came under fire when some customers discovered that their unlimited data plans were being throttled after reaching only 2GB of data use, despite the plans costing the same as a current tiered 3GB plan.
It looks like enough pressure was applied that AT&T is now responding by raising the data cap and being more transparent about exactly where those thresholds sit. The caps are now 3GB for HSPA+ subscribers and 5GB for LTE subscribers, which is certainly a welcome boost up from the 2GB cap that appeared to be in force regardless of whether a customer was on an HSPA+ or LTE unlimited data plan. Users can check their monthly data usage by dialing “*data#” on their mobile phones.
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well this will suck for users like me, who every month use about 20-40GB

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well this will suck for users like me, who every month use about 20-40GB
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Wow, that's a lot of data! I use around 10Gb average, and I'm pissed about being limited to 5Gb. In fact, last month was the first month I have ever been throttled. That's far from "Unlimited". And don't give me that BS that "they don't promise unlimited speeds". At 0.14Mbps I can't get one damn song to buffer on Google Music. It's freaking terrible! Google maps is near impossible to use. They might as well turn our data off at those piss poor speeds!
I just hope we can get at least one dev to come up with a solution so we can stick it to AT&T!

Damn 10gb.
I hit my max of 3gb last month. That was mostly google music streaming, FB, EAS mail, web, and RDP connections.

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Wow, that's a lot of data! I use around 10Gb average, and I'm pissed about being limited to 5Gb. In fact, last month was the first month I have ever been throttled. That's far from "Unlimited". And don't give me that BS that "they don't promise unlimited speeds". At 0.14Mbps I can't get one damn song to buffer on Google Music. It's freaking terrible! Google maps is near impossible to use. They might as well turn our data off at those piss poor speeds!
I just hope we can get at least one dev to come up with a solution so we can stick it to AT&T!
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Goto sprint Jesus I dealt with that everyday with them so please quit complaining and enjoy what you have you pay less than me for the same amount of data
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Aww....After seeing the successful lawsuit against Att this month,I purposely stepped up my data usage in hopes of getting throttled.
Oh well at least they are relaxing their sheisty practices.
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Bender B. Rodgriguez said:
Aww....After seeing the successful lawsuit against Att this month,I purposely stepped up my data usage in hopes of getting throttled.
Oh well at least they are relaxing their sheisty practices.
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THey throttled me last month without notification. Took a level 3 tiered Engineer to tell me they had a glitch in the system with unlimited data users. I said BS and they gave me my last months data charges refunded. It was just a matter of time before ATT got tired of taking heat for this hot topic.

Canceled my unlimited data plan two weeks ago to change to the 3GB tiered plan, because they were throttling me at 2GB. This "update" to the unlimited plan makes me furious!

att made a webpage on their site explaining this
http://www.att.com/esupport/datausage.jsp

If you guys are using 10GB+ .... You must not have Internet at home?? I have a 30Mbps down and 3Mbps up at home and I run 24/7 server, yet I achieve 500-800GB....
WOW , some smartphone users amaze me; must be sittin on da toilet using that bandwidth!

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If you guys are using 10GB+ .... You must not have Internet at home?? I have a 30Mbps down and 3Mbps up at home and I run 24/7 server, yet I achieve 500-800GB....
WOW , some smartphone users amaze me; must be sittin on da toilet using that bandwidth!
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Some of these users that you are disparaging do have jobs that require them to leave their homes (for days sometimes). Some of them are drivers and are on the road most of their time. Some work in jobs that have closed networks.
It would be nice if everyone was living on welfare or disability checks, sitting at home achieving those 800 gig a month stats.

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Some of these users that you are disparaging do have jobs that require them to leave their homes (for days sometimes). Some of them are drivers and are on the road most of their time. Some work in jobs that have closed networks.
It would be nice if everyone was living on welfare or disability checks, sitting at home achieving those 800 gig a month stats.
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Eh, I don't think he was really being malicious with what he wrote. To me it came across as more in awe that people are able to use that much data on a phone.
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Tru, but if they're in the road working, ur telling me that 10+ gigs is only emails and work communiques? I think not lol

The reason I use around 10Gb a month is that I can't use wifi at my job because we are hard wired due to the work we do (very secure), so I stream a lot at my job. Also, my gym doesn't have wifi and I work out 4-5 days a week (@ a minimum 2 hours each time) so I'm usually streaming music via Google music there. It's easy for me to chew through data, but I just don't have access to wifi very often.
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Tru, but if they're in the road working, ur telling me that 10+ gigs is only emails and work communiques? I think not lol
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Ofcourse not, my high usage has always been because if i have an unlimited datat plan i will use it. I use it to stream while on the road, which i am on 4 days a week and sometimes more.
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Ofcourse not, my high usage has always been because if i have an unlimited datat plan i will use it. I use it to stream while on the road, which i am on 4 days a week and sometimes more.
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I think the ideal solution would be if AT&T did it like Verizon. That would be awesome.
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I think the ideal solution would be if AT&T did it like Verizon. That would be awesome.
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They never will, but this shows that they are willing to compromise, and not just ignore us.
I'm sure that if we keep trying, we may get the cap raised, at the very least for us LTE users, let the 3G users (See: iPhone) stay stuck at 3GB, us LTE users (just need an LTE phone) deserve more.

i streamed netflix to my phone constantly for a whole billing cycle and maxed out at 9 gb and thats the most intensive app on the market. Whoever said they use 20+ gigs a month is a little crazy and i do believe when people use that much it does hurt the other users on the network. and to the guy that said hes streaming stuff at his job...how come if your job is so secure how are you allowed to plop down and stream movies or music? it baffles me how i tested it and maxed out at 9 gigs but some people can get 20+ in one month. That's too much. Also you will find out that if people continue to do that instead of allowing you to keep the unlimited when you sign up for a new contract they wont let you take the unlimited with you. Also i streamed music for 5 hours on pandora and it only hit 150 mb of data so you must be either never sleeping and on your phone 24 hours a day or abusing your unlimited data plan.
By abusing your unlimited plan i mean you tethering it to a computer and downloading large files hmm i think i might be right

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By abusing your unlimited plan i mean you tethering it to a computer and downloading large files hmm i think i might be right
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I'd like to know what you think of a guy like me that has to drive for a living bringing merchandise from big warehouses from across this nation to retailers so you and everyone else can buy what they need on a daily basis, and not only merchandise but groceries for your nearest food store and you come here and judge my high usage, who are you to judge the long and lonely nights i have to be away from my family so that you and everyone else can go to they're nearest grocery store and buy they' re food to put on your table. Next time stop and think before you call someone crazy for using 20+GB or more a month.
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I'd like to know what you think of a guy like me that has to drive for a living bringing merchandise from big warehouses from across this nation to retailers so you and everyone else can buy what they need on a daily basis, and not only merchandise but groceries for your nearest food store and you come here and judge my high usage, who are you to judge the long and lonely nights i have to be away from my family so that you and everyone else can go to they're nearest grocery store and buy they' re food to put on your table. Next time stop and think before you call someone crazy for using 20+GB or more a month.
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I can see how being on the road and constantly using ur phone can get you 20GB of data. Personally I feel AT&T should have a separate special plan for people who are on the road all the time due to work. Thanks for bringing us stuff btw!