I've been trying to download some new ROMS and Designgears page never comes up. just times out. am I missing something?
Captain Quack said:
I've been trying to download some new ROMS and Designgears page never comes up. just times out. am I missing something?
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DG is no longer supporting the various ROMs he created for Captivate. From what I gather, he felt he'd gone as far as he could go to improve the basic Captivate OS, at least with Froyo. I'm not sure about Gingerbread, since I've never gone past using Cognition, being very happy with it.
However, if you indicate which ROMs you are interested in trying, someone should be able to upload a zipped version so you... or you can scan the Cognition threads themselves, or this Q and A. People have occasionally asked for and received versions of Cognition that were no longer directly available through the usual channels. Believe me, just because they're no longer supported, that doesn't mean they aren't still great ROMs.
ah. that explains a few things. I spent almost 2 hours searching forums and threads to find out. I had cognition before and am now trying some different ones. ok. now I know. thank you very much.
I believe Cog5 was DG's last call for the Captivate. He's moved on to brighter and better devices.
hmm, I had cog 3 for the longest time. if I can find 5 I'll give it a try.
Here is the Gingerbread Cognition 5 thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1127578
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You aren't looking hard enough - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1127578
His Cog5 stays right on first/second page of Captivate Android Development forum.
Designgears moved on to the SGSII.
Last Froyo rom was 4.5.3, which was modified with all good things that can be done with source code.
Last GB rom was 5v2, which was based on a 2.3.3 Gingerbread Release.
Pinnacle from watsa, Version 1.2/3 was on KH3, a 2.3.4 GB release
Illuminance, Fasty, and others are based on KJ3, a 2.3.5 GB release, and the most recent Samsung leak.
Currently trying Illuminance.
I got some old sre versions
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thanks for all the leads guys. and Illuminated one. I spent 2 hours going through hundreds and hundreds of messages in who knows how many threads. don't tell me I didn't try hard enough.
Have you pm'd DesignGears? He's still on xda, just a different forum (I think).
not yet. I not wedded to Cognition. just wanting to try out different ROMS and try to learn more about all this by doing. all kinds of different apps with different version depending on what your doing, different kernels. different ways of getting into download and recovery that sometimes work. it gets a bit confusing. a lot of this is written with people who know what they are looking at in mind.
not whining. just a bit frustrated.
I didnt know what I was looking at, when I first started modding my phone. I just kept staring at it and reading until it started to make sense. And if/when I buy another phone, I will have to start all over again.
you mean I have to buy another phone!!!! (silly grin). my wife gets this one when I upgrade. (angry birds addict) but at least I'll have some basics. I learn better by doing and using visual things like videos. search Youtube for videos about flashing Captivates! then you have to sort the good from the bad. I got lucky with MobileTechvideos.
Yeah, that's where I started. I think the s2 isn't that different, but I looked in the Inspire forum once and it's a completely different language.
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a lot of this is written with people who know what they are looking at in mind.
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thats the entire point of XDA. we all came here and LEARNED about all this stuff. its expected that other people that come here are here to learn. not make their phone cool
I would agree. Cool phone is just a perk
He moved on a couple months ago to work on SGSII ROMs. Last GB update was Cog 5v2 on KH3 (I think), but no dev took over his project. Apex/Pinnacle is also no longer being developed by Watsaa.
Fasty works for me as Logic updates it frequently. The prior FireFly dev is doing great work on Fusion (ATT) and Mosaic (i-9000). Tradeoff is that ATT GB ROMs are not open sourced, so the development is not as extensive as i-9000, but at least you get the audience chip support with ATT ROMs.
Cyanogen/MIUI are also excellent options.
I'm running GR_12 at the moment. cyanogen and continuum are already on my HD. I'll take a look at Mosaic. be nice to finaly be able to use the power button as a shutter button.
I'm ROMing my phone to get better use and efficiency. not to make it cool, I find all the themes and pretty prettys to be a poor use of the processing power and battery runtime.
Hi, I am around, on hiatus from everything atm
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I've been trying out all the captivate roms in the past few weeks. And all of them seem to have their quirks. I'm hoping that with all this 2.3 developing going on, captivate development will go in a new direction. Especially looking at battery life.
Every rom I've tried has battery life problems. probably due to overclocked kernels designed for a totally different phone. Assonance seemed to have the longest life for awhile but it seemed to get worse over time.
I've never had GPS problems. I've walked around my yard a few times and it follows me around to a tee. The lagfix did seem to do the trick.
And the backlight notification is a cool feature, but I can't seem to get it to turn off, even after I disabled it from clock work recovery.
I'm not trying to rag on anyone here, I'm just trying to say that now that development for our amazing phone is being given a break with official source code from the nexus hopefully features and roms won't to be for other phones that just happen to work on the captivate. I understand that these new things will be based on the nexus s, but is imagine that with the firmware leak from samsung, a real captivate version could be made some where down the line.
Thank you, and I wish you the best in development.
Battery life, along with many of the items you listed, is relative. I for example get amazing battery life with many of the roms I have used, much better than stock. I am using the OC/UV kernels too without any undervolt. I am not saying the problems dont exist, but that I dont expect the issues that others are having to be fixed because of the Nexus material flying around. Mileage just varies by make and model. I am actually not sure what my point is, but then again, I am not sure what the point to your post is either haha. No offense.
I understand what you are trying to say.
To summarize "stop putting i9000/Vibrant ROMs and re-orient kernels on Captivates and calling it a Captivate ROM".
If we lived in a perfect world where a certain manufacturer would release source code instead of breaking GPL licensing rules...it maybe easier. But for the time being...we still are going to be the bastardized cousins of the great, almighty i9000.
So...if you want to do something about it...call Samsung . The devs are working with the tools they have...even if that means they have to borrow from the neighbors .
Thanks
-h8
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Please explain what this has to do with development? Be happy these guys are doing things to make the phone better than stock 2.1.
This is my captivate. There are many like it buy this one is mine.
Ryukeima said:
Battery life, along with many of the items you listed, is relative. I for example get amazing battery life with many of the roms I have used, much better than stock...
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Some users have done tests, it shows that the stock jh7 has a lot better battery life then all of the custom ROM's mostly in part that the ROM's were made for different devices... just sayin...I don't mean to bicker, but golly has Samsung been... lazy? I don't even know what to call it. The Captivate hasn't got a good leak in sometime. but Samsung could at least be more specific with their ETA on Foyo being out.. I understand AT&T has a thing to do with it but still...
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Please explain what this has to do with development? Be happy these guys are doing things to make the phone better than stock 2.1.
This is my captivate. There are many like it buy this one is mine.
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I rather would like to see people stop posting non development related threads on the Development forum....
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I rather would like to see people stop posting non development related threads on the Development forum....
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Is this non development due to the fact that there is not a rom to download? I've read through thousands of posts on the Captivate Android Development section of the forum and I really don't see the difference so why are picking on this thread in particular? Your post has absolutely nothing to do with development ....
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I understand what you are trying to say.
To summarize "stop putting i9000/Vibrant ROMs and re-orient kernels on Captivates and calling it a Captivate ROM".
If we lived in a perfect world where a certain manufacturer would release source code instead of breaking GPL licensing rules...it maybe easier. But for the time being...we still are going to be the bastardized cousins of the great, almighty i9000.
So...if you want to do something about it...call Samsung . The devs are working with the tools they have...even if that means they have to borrow from the neighbors .
Thanks
-h8
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2.2 for that captivate hasnt been officially released, so they don't have to release the source until then.
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Is this non development due to the fact that there is not a rom to download? I've read through thousands of posts on the Captivate Android Development section of the forum and I really don't see the difference so why are picking on this thread in particular? Your post has absolutely nothing to do with development ....
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First learn what development means so you can understand the point.
Second, just because you have seen thousands (hyperbole much?) of non development threads does not mean they were posted in the right place....the MODs can barely keep up with people that cannot read or lack reading comprehension.
Thirds, my post has nothing to do with development? Was that a joke...am I supposed to turn a non development thread into one?
In summation: more pewpew, less QQ.
I don't notice much difference in battery life between using Captivate ROMs and reoriented i9000 ROMs. I get great battery life with both (usually about 40 hours with moderate use). Maybe you're seeing poor battery life because most ROMs posted for the Captivate use Setiron's kernel, which is overclocked and has all sorts of other tweaks built in. Lagfixes don't help either. If you want decent battery life with an i9000 ROM, try xcaliburinhand's no voodoo kernel (JPU and JPX ROMs don't need a lagfix) or disable overclocking, lagfix, and tweaks on Setiron's kernel.
40 hours doesn't even seem possible unless u put your phone down and don't touch it.....I have used vibrant and i9000 roms and noticed since switching back to cronus (jj4) and voodoo stable (jj4) which are all captivate parts that my battery life has almost doubled. Im going to stick with this setup for awhile and see what happens.
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I wasn't trying to to start no fight here! Like I said I wasn't trying to call anyone out, but yes I probably did post in the wrong forum. I had chosen Development, because that was what my post was aimed at.
I appreciate the work being done one the Captivate, because without it our phones would be pretty boring don't ya think?
Really, all I'm trying to say is that I hope we see some new kinds of ROMs in the upcoming future. Something similar to Ultimate Droid would be crazy, with all of it's extra phone settings.
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40 hours doesn't even seem possible unless u put your phone down and don't touch it.....I have used vibrant and i9000 roms and noticed since switching back to cronus (jj4) and voodoo stable (jj4) which are all captivate parts that my battery life has almost doubled. Im going to stick with this setup for awhile and see what happens.
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I can go a lot longer than 40 hours if I put it down and don't touch it... 70+ hours. With really heavy use (couple hours of tethering, a little gaming, couple hours of browsing and reading xda, lots of texts and gtalk, couple calls, hour or so of music listening, random time and email checking) I can only go about 14-16 hours, but it's still enough for a full day.
h8rift said:
I understand what you are trying to say.
To summarize "stop putting i9000/Vibrant ROMs and re-orient kernels on Captivates and calling it a Captivate ROM".
If we lived in a perfect world where a certain manufacturer would release source code instead of breaking GPL licensing rules...it maybe easier. But for the time being...we still are going to be the bastardized cousins of the great, almighty i9000.
So...if you want to do something about it...call Samsung . The devs are working with the tools they have...even if that means they have to borrow from the neighbors .
Thanks
-h8
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The Captivate source has been released.
Source for what?
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MikeyMike01 said:
In summation: more pewpew, less QQ.
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lol +1 10 Char
I've been doing a metric ton of reading before I flash my first rom. I was all set to flash P10.1 when I read a few posts by DG that led me to believe that Cog3 might be right around the corner.
Now I've read a further few posts by DG that state that Cognition is dead, because (his reasoning) Cog was always a pure-Captivate rom, & the latest rom he's working on isn't purely Captivate-based. Another few of his posts & accompanying posts by other users in those threads have led me to believe that whatever he's got cooking will be based on the "official" Rogers FroYo release. Maybe it's mostly based from that stock rom but has other add-ons from the i9000 line (i.e. to make it not pure-Captivate)?
After all my reading, I think that flashing a Captivate-based rom would be the way to go, if only for the fact that it would include the ability to utilize the sound processor (afaik, there aren't i9000-based roms that can do this, correct?).
Anyway, I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs since Monday waiting to see what DG's got in the oven & figured I'd start a thread to see what you all thought. This will be my first flash, & I don't plan to do a ton of switching around, so I want to get it "right" the first time.
tl;dr What's next from DG??
Just know that once you flash a rom, it wont be your last. DG roms are very good, along with Phoenix & Serendipity(my favorite).
I've flashed a handful of DG roms & I personally always find myself flashing back to one of Mikeys roms, he really knows his stuff.
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I've been doing a metric ton of reading before I flash my first rom. I was all set to flash P10.1 when I read a few posts by DG that led me to believe that Cog3 might be right around the corner.
Now I've read a further few posts by DG that state that Cognition is dead, because (his reasoning) Cog was always a pure-Captivate rom, & the latest rom he's working on isn't purely Captivate-based. Another few of his posts & accompanying posts by other users in those threads have led me to believe that whatever he's got cooking will be based on the "official" Rogers FroYo release. Maybe it's mostly based from that stock rom but has other add-ons from the i9000 line (i.e. to make it not pure-Captivate)?
After all my reading, I think that flashing a Captivate-based rom would be the way to go, if only for the fact that it would include the ability to utilize the sound processor (afaik, there aren't i9000-based roms that can do this, correct?).
Anyway, I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs since Monday waiting to see what DG's got in the oven & figured I'd start a thread to see what you all thought. This will be my first flash, & I don't plan to do a ton of switching around, so I want to get it "right" the first time.
tl;dr What's next from DG??
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This is what we all said before we popped the cherry!LOL
Well last I thought DesignGears was working on the Gingerbread ROM for Galaxy S Phone ported from the Nexus S. And Supercurio was working with the Cyanogen Team on the project as well so maybe they're all in kahootz now. They haven't posted an update on it in awhile so maybe it's coming along good.
But it would be nice to get ahold of that Rogers Froyo, at a good stable point. At least then we'd have everything built for our Captivates specifically.
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But it would be nice to get ahold of that Rogers Froyo, at a good stable point. At least then we'd have everything built for our Captivates specifically.
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Right, & I believe that this is what's happening now. The Rogers Froyo that was just officially released via Kies is what I think DG's working with.
Am I totally off-base w/the Captivate/i9000/sound processor bit?
& yeah, I know what you all mean about constantly switching around, but I really only flashed a handful of times w/my old HTC. Guess I'm lazy
I started off as a noob, and basically still am. My first flash was cog 2.8 I believe. Now its something different every other day. You can't stop yourself one you've started.
Its an addiction for sure. Best of luck flashing once and that's it. I hope that works better for you than it did for me.
I'm so addicted that I got my wife a captivate also so I can try things on hers to see the differences from what I'm running.
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I'm digging the work being done on the armani rom.
From a phone
As the poster above stated, many devs are working on an Armani JL1 rom right now. I am unsure what DG is doing/planning though. Just putting it out there.
Just like t-readyroc I've been holding off on my first flash. I don't think I can wait for official froyo any longer. I just keep thinking that once I flash a newer, more stable, rom will be released. So I don't know if I should wait or just take the plunge.
I'm still reading around on the most stable release. Any one have recommendations on a rom that is stable and easy to install.
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My choices before hearing that DG's latest release is imminent were Phoenix 3.0 & Perception 10.1. Now I'm also reading that Phoenix 3.5 is imminent. Bah!
Great, thanks t-readyroc for making my decision even harder. Lol
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I've been doing a metric ton of reading before I flash my first rom. I was all set to flash P10.1 when I read a few posts by DG that led me to believe that Cog3 might be right around the corner.
Now I've read a further few posts by DG that state that Cognition is dead, because (his reasoning) Cog was always a pure-Captivate rom, & the latest rom he's working on isn't purely Captivate-based. Another few of his posts & accompanying posts by other users in those threads have led me to believe that whatever he's got cooking will be based on the "official" Rogers FroYo release. Maybe it's mostly based from that stock rom but has other add-ons from the i9000 line (i.e. to make it not pure-Captivate)?
After all my reading, I think that flashing a Captivate-based rom would be the way to go, if only for the fact that it would include the ability to utilize the sound processor (afaik, there aren't i9000-based roms that can do this, correct?).
Anyway, I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs since Monday waiting to see what DG's got in the oven & figured I'd start a thread to see what you all thought. This will be my first flash, & I don't plan to do a ton of switching around, so I want to get it "right" the first time.
tl;dr What's next from DG??
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I flashed my first rom the other day (Serendipity 2.0) from stock, and the difference has been NIGHT & DAY! It blows my mind that Samsung can put out somthing THAT crappy compared to what their device is capable of.
Then yesterday I flashed a new modem and kernel. I'm hooked.
What's the benefits of a new modem and kernel?
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This will be my first flash, & I don't plan to do a ton of switching around, so I want to get it "right" the first time.
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yeah, right...
come back in a couple of months and read your own post, you will lol
JohnnyDanger said:
Just like t-readyroc I've been holding off on my first flash. I don't think I can wait for official froyo any longer. I just keep thinking that once I flash a newer, more stable, rom will be released. So I don't know if I should wait or just take the plunge.
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if you keep waiting for what's around the corner, you will never get anywhere. stop torturing yourself and flash something. if you don't like a rom, you can always go back to stock and try something else
For what its worth I think it would be great to have Supercurio's audio tweaks integrated into the FireBird Kernel. Truly an enhancement.
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if you keep waiting for what's around the corner, you will never get anywhere. stop torturing yourself and flash something. if you don't like a rom, you can always go back to stock and try something else
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See, for me, it's going to be the constant app/music/data restores every time that'll prevent me from being a flash-whore...
Anyway, to get back OT, one of the reasons I was really interested in P10.1 was the fact that the launcher works in landscape mode. Are there others that do the same?
& again back OT: Captivate/i9000 roms & the use (or lack thereof) of the Captivate's hardware audio processor - are there any kernels that work with i9000 roms that make use of it? Or are all i9000 roms stuck doing the processing in software?
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See, for me, it's going to be the constant app/music/data restores every time that'll prevent me from being a flash-whore...
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it takes about 20 minutes from start to finish to flash a new rom for the complete process.
I said the same thing, "gonna find my fav rom and stick with it" That was a few years and phones ago and still flashing like crazy lol
But see, flashing whole new roms for the most part is almost a waste of time. Because usually why do you flash a new rom?
From the looks of a lot of ROM threads, going from release to release all the changes a lot of times are the installed system apps, and the themes to go with them. Yes, occasionaly there is a bigger release that warrants a new kernel or something of that nature.
To me, as an end user, ROM's could all use the same base rom (which they don't) and most people wouldn't know the difference. So find a ROM that doesn't force close on you, and flash the themes and apps you want into your ROM.
Personally I went from Flashing every ROM out there, and then just sticking to one that works, is deodexed so I can do whatever I want to it, and won't cause me to throw my phone in the trash.
First, my phone info as reported by Settings/About Phone:
Model: Samsung-SGH-I897
Firmware: 2.1-update1
Baseband: I897UCJH7
Kernel: 2.6.29 [email protected] #2
Build Number: ECLAIR.UCJH7
I have visited the ROM section and I probably dont need to tell you that it is just a little bit confusing (for me anyway)as to which ROM to use.
I would like to flash a new ROM to bring me up to FroYo and I "think" I want to use the Andromeda ROM. I have a couple of questions though.
First, (for the Devs) should I go ahead and flash to FroYo or wait for am Android 3.0 ROM (assuming one is forthcoming)?
Second, is the difference between the "themed" and "un-themed" ROM just cosmetic? Do they both function the same?
There are a few "how to" threads on flashing. They are very detailed and take you step by step. I'd suggest you read or watch the videos.
The questions about Andromeda are well covered in the thread. You just need to read through it. Flashing now or waiting is purely up to you. There's not a GB ROM that's stable enough to run day to day. There's only one that I know of and they are still working a lot of problems out of it.
Thank you.
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Second, is the difference between the "themed" and "un-themed" ROM just cosmetic? Do they both function the same?
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Yep, just prettier (in some cases that is).
I'm really looking for a ROM that is as close to "stock" Froyo as possible that will work well with my U.S. phone. I understand Cognition is built on the just released Rogers build, but should I use a Canadian build on my U.S. phone?
I'm using Cognition and find it really nice. No Canadian phrases coming out of it.
If you are going to flash your first rom make sure you read through the forums and figure your what you need to do. Everything that you need are in them. I just flashed my first rom this weekend. Forums are very helpful!!
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I'm really looking for a ROM that is as close to "stock" Froyo as possible that will work well with my U.S. phone. I understand Cognition is built on the just released Rogers build, but should I use a Canadian build on my U.S. phone?
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I live in Canada and use an American captivate using the cognition ROM and it works just fine.
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Serendipity 5.x is by far the best Captivate ROM out there, in my opinion. Fast, clean, stable, bloat-free, and tastefully themed.
I just flashed the un-themed version of Andromeda, needless to say I was and am still very pleased with it. It was my first time flashing a ROM and went very smoothly, I guess I just got sick of AT&T jerking around.
I might make a quick video comparing Andromeda 1.0 on the captivate to a stock captivate (my bro's). That is if there is any interest in one.
Btw does any one know when the over clocked kernels will be released, I'm pretty anxious to try them out.
How do you like Andromeda? I started with cognition, then used phoenix for a while and liked both of them. I switched to serendipity last week and it has been rock solid to be honest, but I am always wanting to tinker with this thing. I flashed the KNP1 modem today to see if I get the better data speeds people are reporting and am hoping to gain a little battery life.
I guess everybody has thier own favorite ROM. I am kind of leaning toward either Cognition or Phoenix but cant decide which one. I want as close to "stock" 2.2 (or 2.3) as possible and it looks like Cognition might be the way to go. I have read through the Cognition Wiki and cant determine which flavor of Android (2.2/2.3) Cognition 3.04 is based on (unless I missed it). Anyone know?
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I have read through the Cognition Wiki and cant determine which flavor of Android (2.2/2.3) Cognition 3.04 is based on (unless I missed it). Anyone know?
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There are some videos on you tube that walk you trough the flashing process that I found to be really helpful for my first flash. I also had a written walk thru up from this site. I had no problems with my first using these 2 restorers. Good luck. And andromeda looks very cool. There are also rom reviews on you tube that show you what the rom does. Good luck
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There are some videos on you tube that walk you trough the flashing process that I found to be really helpful for my first flash. I also had a written walk thru up from this site. I had no problems with my first using these 2 restorers. Good luck. And andromeda looks very cool. There are also rom reviews on you tube that show you what the rom does. Good luck
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877652
If you haven't already please read through the guide in my sig.
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If you haven't already please read through the guide in my sig.
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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I agree. Something like "answer these 20 questions and here's the ROM that most matches what you want" would be great. I am still trying to figure it out.
What I am looking for is, if AT&T (or Samsung for that matter) were to finally release FroYo, here is what it would most likely look like and how it would probably perform. I'm still thinking Cognition is the closest since it was based on the Canadian FroYo release but *MAN* can it be confusing.
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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The point of that is so that you figure out what is best for you, not that I am telling you what to do. I am simply trying to GUIDE new users on how to go about making informed decisions on which ROM they choose. Too many people rely solely on what others say instead of trying things for themselves, which is why I created that post encouraging people to discover new things.
If you have questions about a certain rom, post in the ROM thread in the dev section. If you don't have 10 posts yet and still have questions, then post in the Q&A section, not captivate general.
What I don't think new users understand is that almost every person has a different preference about what ROM, kernel and modem combo work best. Me personally, I love di11igafs ROMs, but many other people prefer different things. Its pretty much like asking a group of random people, "what is the best car on the market and what options would get with said car?" Almost everyones answer will vary slightly.
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I agree. Something like "answer these 20 questions and here's the ROM that most matches what you want" would be great. I am still trying to figure it out.
What I am looking for is, if AT&T (or Samsung for that matter) were to finally release FroYo, here is what it would most likely look like and how it would probably perform. I'm still thinking Cognition is the closest since it was based on the Canadian FroYo release but *MAN* can it be confusing.
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Like you, I recently started trying to figure this out after getting an AT&T Captivate and I agree about the need for a better listing for features (or lack of) for each ROM. A good matrix to compare would be nice, but I fear there are so many people working on these things and it all moves so fast, it would be a full-time job just to keep it up. Reading through all this stuff is quite overwhelming. However, I honestly think it's not bad once you figure out the basics and understand the ropes. By the time you get the things to load on your phone, with Clockworkmod Recovery, Odin and some other tools, life is pretty simple--the devs have done all the hard work, you're just flashing the stuff and figuring out what you like best.
Here is what I can tell you that may help and like I said, I'm pretty new at this, so someone *please* correct me if I'm wrong. I would not want to mislead anyone:
1. Cognition is an "Americanized" version of the Rogers 2.2 Captivate release. If you want 2.2.1 you have to use another custom ROM. Everything with Cognition appears to be well done, stable and smooth. I spent a couple hours trying to get wireless tether to work only to figure out MobileAP is built in and works
2. Look up the videos on YouTube by MobileTechVideos. They are very good and well produced, plus he looks at all the different ROMs. There is a 3-part video on loading Cognition on a captivate. I used it to load 3.04 on mine in almost real time right with the video. The only thing I would caution you on is if you use Titanium Backup to restore apps, be careful about "select all" like he says you can do in the video. I'm not sure if I had backed up system data and accidentally restored it or what--didn't go back that far to check, but after I did my restore I thought everything was fine and I could not make outgoing calls the next day. I reloaded from scratch following the videos again and this time use TB to restore one app+data at a time and was very picky about what I did and it worked wonderfully.
3. Once I got everything working I started to get curious about kernels. Once you have your ROM loaded, you can flash a new kernel (has to be same version as the ROM) and you can get enhancements with speed and other things by doing so. However, I loaded Firebird and did not notice in the thread that Bluetooth doesn't work yet, so I'm trying to figure out if I can go back or if I have to start over. Not a big deal to start over since I know what I'm doing now, just want to push the limits a little cause that's how I roll For some reason after Firebird I also seen duplicate photos on my SD card, even though there were only singles. It's like thumbnails were duplicated or something. I moved the pics off to my PC and it left blank thumbnails behind. I deleted them from the gallery and put the pics back and everything cleared up. I've seen stranger things--no biggie.
4. Battery life was fairly bad at this point, dropping 10-15% or more per hour. My phone came with the JH7 modem (last digits of your Baseband version in Settings -- About Phone). Cognition 3.04 comes with JL1 and many others were reporting great battery life with JL2 so I flashed it and everything seems to be much better so far. I haven't reset the battery stats and such, but I will at some point. Looks like a lengthy process that may or may not help.
5. I see a lot of "do I have to flash to stock first" questions posted and from what I understand, it's best practice to follow the instructions and don't ask why--just do it. Learn how to backup and restore apps+data (not system data) using TB and it's no big deal.
6. I read a lot about different builds of the Captivate--lots of posts about 1006, 1007, 1008's so I was concerned about the issues discussed. I'm guessing these were the early releases. I got mine at the end of January and it's a 1012. Look under your battery right under the serial number.
I suppose once I have this part of it working well and figured out, I will probably start looking into themes and digging deeper. It's pretty addictive so once you start, you just keep wanting more and more and making it better and better. Thanks to all the devs out there. I plan on making a few donations soon, especially to Designgears since his stuff is mostly what I've worked with so far.
My advice is to take a day or two and read *A LOT*. The old carpenters saying is "Measure twice and cut once" and that is pretty much how I look at this stuff. After you figure out how the puzzle pieces fit together, you lose the fear.
Hope this helps and if I would appreciate it if someone more advanced can confirm my statements or correct me.
With the new entries into the at&t android scene, will the captivate be left behind by the devs? A couple have already picked up new devices, is there cause for concern?
There will be others who step in, and given that you can run vibrant and i9000 roms there will be new stuff going on. The i9000 forum is really where the action is anyway. If hardcore and supercurio move on then I would say you have seen the end of what can be done with the sgs.
Porting vibrant roms, simple kernel/modem swap? Can it be done before and after flash?
Hope not.
@mccord
Yep, I usually boot the rom then flash the kernel and modem. Sometimes it wont work simply swapping them first.
It already has been abandoned. Jump ship while you still can.
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@mccord
Yep, I usually boot the rom then flash the kernel and modem. Sometimes it wont work simply swapping them first.
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Solid info, any recommendations? ;p
My point in the thread is this, were will development be in a month, what are our options. I9000 and vibrant ports are solid options. I don't think many understand how easy it is to do on their own
It will carry on no matter what. Browse around. Heck there is still stuff going on with devices that are 5 years old and older. So no it will not ever "end"
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With the new entries into the at&t android scene, will the captivate be left behind by the devs? A couple have already picked up new devices, is there cause for concern?
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The new entries that is rolling out now, IMO, doesn't have the "wow" factor for anyone to upgrade and renew for another 2 years or even 1, yes opinion. I just returned my Inspire cause of it.
The Atrix, we will see. Accessories, accessories, accessories...reach deep in the pocket for it. Not worth it, ....we are just talking about a phone.
Samsung Infuse...oh yea... Neveragain.
I predict 3rd quarter, then "man overboard"
Development for these phone are easy for these devs, as long as leaked firmwares keep on popping up, and they have been. We all should be safe for awhile.
Sorry for the rambling...morning java...strong.
But yea, what newter55 said
I don't know if this indicative of how many people actually OWN a captivate, let alone DEVING...but I often find that next to Android development section of the captivate the number of viewing is usually around 300. There's still lots of captivaters, and I don't think everyone is in a position/able to jump ship.
I don't see why people are so worried, I'm looking into getting a Captivate myself. I know it's no Inspire 4G etc etc. But it's still a relatively new device. I know when I started in the WM6 days, people were still making WM5 roms etc for old devices. You will see people still working on them.
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I don't see why people are so worried, I'm looking into getting a Captivate myself. I know it's no Inspire 4G etc etc. But it's still a relatively new device. I know when I started in the WM6 days, people were still making WM5 roms etc for old devices. You will see people still working on them.
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Not worried, there has been a general distaste towards samsung on this section. A couple major devs have already started work on other devices. They will be back fillef I am sure. Just curious to see what direction things go
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Not worried, there has been a general distaste towards samsung on this section. A couple major devs have already started work on other devices. They well be back fillef I am sure. Just curious to see what direction things go
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Oh of course. I have been away for a long while. The last device I owned was a HTC Kaiser. Been with Blackberry since then. The Rhodium in my sig is my mothers that I tweaked for her.
Why do devs not like the Captivate? I've been looking into getting one to be able to learn Android and be as helpful as I was back in my older device days.
gps, no official froyo, quality control issues,rfs file system
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Interesting. Funny that you mention Quality control, my brothers brand new Captivate's screen went out under a month of getting it. It's like the screen decided not to turn on one day.
I've wondered this myself. I feel like if development will continue after the next 6 months its going to be on cyanogen... but hey. I'm relatively new to android so take what i say with several grains of salt
If the atrix lives up to the hype ill be abandoning my captivate....unlocked bootloader and its over
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I feel that the amount of work the devs are putting into this phone are making it a great device. I switched to an LG Quantum recently (and love it) But thanks to the joys of owning a sim card, I switch to my captivate at least twice a week. Go to the LG Quantum forum, and you'll see why. There isn't much to do. Not much hacking, no OC's, no UC's, just questions like "What case looks prettiest on my phone?" =/
This even applies to the majority of Motorola android phones, especially MOTOBLUR devices. There just isn't that much to do with them. As for the Captivate, there will always be some random, somewhat useless feature we're all going to go gaga over. ("OMG I CAN TAKE PANORAMA SHOTS.... MUST SHARE WITH XDA...") It's just the spirit of the Captivate forum. We're all in the same poorly navigated, highly customizable boat.
*group hug* xP
Well the origianal droid is about as customizable as the galaxy s it has gingerbread already...and honestly up until recently most of the "custom" roms were just bloatware free versions of vibrant or i9000 versions of TW. Andromeda and serendipity and supernova all are themed giving a feeling of something new and fresh....if we could get some aosp builds then this phone would really be great and we would see some true custom roms.....the devs are what's keeping the galaxy s alive.
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ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
markkal123 said:
ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
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God... talk about an industrial-strength stupid thread.
loonatik78 said:
God... talk about an industrial-strength stupid thread.
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LMAO ...
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markkal123 said:
ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
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Yes interest in the TB is slowing and therefore so is development.
Yes newer phones are coming out
Switching to verizon and their updates is a turd choice though unless they come out with something utterly amazing and 0 DEV's here adopt it. Will never happen though unless the entire community is dead.
POQbum said:
Yes interest in the TB is slowing and therefore so is development.
Yes newer phones are coming out
Switching to verizon and their updates is a turd choice though unless they come out with something utterly amazing and 0 DEV's here adopt it. Will never happen though unless the entire community is dead.
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thanks, never meant to start an industrial-strength stupid thread. guess i was just wondering how long developers would be around pumping out new material, and whether or not people more experienced than me wouild be around for my gallacically stupid questions and such.
thanks for your answers
mark
We are getting a great dev coming from the og dinc forum. I say stick around for a few more weeks.
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Sorry man, but I read that OP and thought "What is this guy thinking?!?!?" Go back to stock and take whatever Verizon dishes out? I don't grasp the mental process that would conclude that as an option. I don't think interest is waning. I'll check that dipstick after Verizon sells it for free, or close to it, which is usually when sales get real good. Th3ory isn't exactly a benchmark of ROM development either. In fact, cranking out ROMs at a rate of any more than once every month is kinda unusual. BAMF went nearly 2 months without so much as a revision. Chingy usually goes at least a month. I don't understand what the deal is with Synergy and their goofy nightlies... how much can you tweak something before it's junk? I point to Ziggy's kernels as having exceeded that limit.
I came from the dInc. When I left that device as a primary device I stopped paying much attention to the ROMs for it. Now when I go and look around over there, there's heaps of devs I never heard of (a few with egos WAY too big for their sig), cranking out ROMs of all sorts. I know they hate to admit it over there, but the dInc is DEAD. If you want to see a device that seems dry on interest, visit the dInc2 forums, or some of the Motorola device forums. Or a LOT of forums, really. I don't know where you think devs are going since there isn't actually a better device worth upgrading to on Verizon. And don't say the Bionic; that thing was obsolete almost the day it launched, and the launch of the Inc HD WILL kill it. If you don't think a lot of the dev from that device will trickle down here, may I point you to all the stuff from the EVO 3D that's already made it's way here.
@ loonatik78...
yeah i guess after re-reading my OP it's kind of hard to take seriously. the TB is my first smart phone. never even knew there were forums like this that supported the phone, nor had i even a clue that these things could be rooted and modifed in such a way. certainly glad i googled my way XDA.
support has been wonderful here, and frankly find your posts well worth reading. thanks.
mark
as for going back to stock - well not a chance.
Even if it's the end of the line for sense updates (as far as from verizon), there will be updates to AOSP ROMs like CM7 and OMFGB long after as many phones have.
Switch to a new ROM? For example, Synergy has many updates a week currently and shows no sign of a stopping point in the future. Not to mention the ROM is completly badass and runs smooth like buttah
When was the Tbolt released, Jan or Feb of this year ? Interest will wane around Spring '13... A lot more people keep their phones for the two years or so that VZW "rewards" than you think. It's been what, six months ? The HTC Eris forum is still going strong, just as an example!
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Even if it's the end of the line for sense updates (as far as from verizon), there will be updates to AOSP ROMs like CM7 and OMFGB long after as many phones have.
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If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
nrfitchett4 said:
If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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First off GPS works fine, second yea, the NFL app is still wonky but I strongly believe there are better alternatives on the market.
Second I would say go to OMFGB, since our phone is in their tree, any updates they make go to our phone, so even when we are forgot about we will still recieve updates as long as their team is around.
Also, synergy is not a bad choice (Especially if you like daily updates), BAMF forever would be a good choice as well. It was just released and runs super smooth. Plus updates are coming every 2 or 3 days at most.
Also, (And hopefully, final) we should be getting a Sense 3.5 port soon, (Team BAMF is currently spearheading that operation).
So sorry to tell you but development is still going strong.
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First off GPS works fine, second yea, the NFL app is still wonky but I strongly believe there are better alternatives on the market.
Second I would say go to OMFGB, since our phone is in their tree, any updates they make go to our phone, so even when we are forgot about we will still recieve updates as long as their team is around.
Also, synergy is not a bad choice (Especially if you like daily updates), BAMF forever would be a good choice as well. It was just released and runs super smooth. Plus updates are coming every 2 or 3 days at most.
Also, (And hopefully, final) we should be getting a Sense 3.5 port soon, (Team BAMF is currently spearheading that operation).
So sorry to tell you but development is still going strong.
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sorry, but I'm not the only one having problems with gps on aosp ROMs. It's not just getting a working signal before flashing. Even after doing that and maps finding me ok, most apps that need gps to find you, such as search, gasbuddy, etc, end up placing me at least 2 miles away unless wifi is on.
It's ok, really don't mind sense ROMs. I freeze, uninstall a lot of sense parts and use different launchers. Playing with shell 3d right now.
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Switch to a new ROM? For example, Synergy has many updates a week currently and shows no sign of a stopping point in the future. Not to mention the ROM is completly badass and runs smooth like buttah
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+1 synergy has nightly and offical builds so flash away.
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If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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Building has proved challenging but as far as taking a leak and debloat deoxed and add root busy box WiFi tether that is very easy. Even adding a custom kernel is very easy. Tweaking extra settings is where I am lost right now such as RAMdisk edits and other such tweaks need info.
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Building has proved challenging but as far as taking a leak and debloat deoxed and add root busy box WiFi tether that is very easy. Even adding a custom kernel is very easy. Tweaking extra settings is where I am lost right now such as RAMdisk edits and other such tweaks need info.
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built them on winmo, both tp2 and hd2. Just haven't had time to read up enough on android. But if it becomes a necessity, I will find the time.