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Is the captivate going to be abandoned?

With the new entries into the at&t android scene, will the captivate be left behind by the devs? A couple have already picked up new devices, is there cause for concern?

There will be others who step in, and given that you can run vibrant and i9000 roms there will be new stuff going on. The i9000 forum is really where the action is anyway. If hardcore and supercurio move on then I would say you have seen the end of what can be done with the sgs.

Porting vibrant roms, simple kernel/modem swap? Can it be done before and after flash?

Hope not.

@mccord
Yep, I usually boot the rom then flash the kernel and modem. Sometimes it wont work simply swapping them first.

It already has been abandoned. Jump ship while you still can.

newter55 said:
@mccord
Yep, I usually boot the rom then flash the kernel and modem. Sometimes it wont work simply swapping them first.
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Solid info, any recommendations? ;p
My point in the thread is this, were will development be in a month, what are our options. I9000 and vibrant ports are solid options. I don't think many understand how easy it is to do on their own

It will carry on no matter what. Browse around. Heck there is still stuff going on with devices that are 5 years old and older. So no it will not ever "end"

mcord11758 said:
With the new entries into the at&t android scene, will the captivate be left behind by the devs? A couple have already picked up new devices, is there cause for concern?
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The new entries that is rolling out now, IMO, doesn't have the "wow" factor for anyone to upgrade and renew for another 2 years or even 1, yes opinion. I just returned my Inspire cause of it.
The Atrix, we will see. Accessories, accessories, accessories...reach deep in the pocket for it. Not worth it, ....we are just talking about a phone.
Samsung Infuse...oh yea... Neveragain.
I predict 3rd quarter, then "man overboard"
Development for these phone are easy for these devs, as long as leaked firmwares keep on popping up, and they have been. We all should be safe for awhile.
Sorry for the rambling...morning java...strong.
But yea, what newter55 said

I don't know if this indicative of how many people actually OWN a captivate, let alone DEVING...but I often find that next to Android development section of the captivate the number of viewing is usually around 300. There's still lots of captivaters, and I don't think everyone is in a position/able to jump ship.

I don't see why people are so worried, I'm looking into getting a Captivate myself. I know it's no Inspire 4G etc etc. But it's still a relatively new device. I know when I started in the WM6 days, people were still making WM5 roms etc for old devices. You will see people still working on them.

mbudden said:
I don't see why people are so worried, I'm looking into getting a Captivate myself. I know it's no Inspire 4G etc etc. But it's still a relatively new device. I know when I started in the WM6 days, people were still making WM5 roms etc for old devices. You will see people still working on them.
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Not worried, there has been a general distaste towards samsung on this section. A couple major devs have already started work on other devices. They will be back fillef I am sure. Just curious to see what direction things go

mcord11758 said:
Not worried, there has been a general distaste towards samsung on this section. A couple major devs have already started work on other devices. They well be back fillef I am sure. Just curious to see what direction things go
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Oh of course. I have been away for a long while. The last device I owned was a HTC Kaiser. Been with Blackberry since then. The Rhodium in my sig is my mothers that I tweaked for her.
Why do devs not like the Captivate? I've been looking into getting one to be able to learn Android and be as helpful as I was back in my older device days.

gps, no official froyo, quality control issues,rfs file system

mcord11758 said:
gps, no official froyo, quality control issues,rfs file system
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Interesting. Funny that you mention Quality control, my brothers brand new Captivate's screen went out under a month of getting it. It's like the screen decided not to turn on one day.

I've wondered this myself. I feel like if development will continue after the next 6 months its going to be on cyanogen... but hey. I'm relatively new to android so take what i say with several grains of salt

If the atrix lives up to the hype ill be abandoning my captivate....unlocked bootloader and its over
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I feel that the amount of work the devs are putting into this phone are making it a great device. I switched to an LG Quantum recently (and love it) But thanks to the joys of owning a sim card, I switch to my captivate at least twice a week. Go to the LG Quantum forum, and you'll see why. There isn't much to do. Not much hacking, no OC's, no UC's, just questions like "What case looks prettiest on my phone?" =/
This even applies to the majority of Motorola android phones, especially MOTOBLUR devices. There just isn't that much to do with them. As for the Captivate, there will always be some random, somewhat useless feature we're all going to go gaga over. ("OMG I CAN TAKE PANORAMA SHOTS.... MUST SHARE WITH XDA...") It's just the spirit of the Captivate forum. We're all in the same poorly navigated, highly customizable boat.
*group hug* xP

Well the origianal droid is about as customizable as the galaxy s it has gingerbread already...and honestly up until recently most of the "custom" roms were just bloatware free versions of vibrant or i9000 versions of TW. Andromeda and serendipity and supernova all are themed giving a feeling of something new and fresh....if we could get some aosp builds then this phone would really be great and we would see some true custom roms.....the devs are what's keeping the galaxy s alive.
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*wonders to self how some people ever figure out how to get dressed in the morning*

Gingerbread vs Froyo on Captivate

Guys, just wanted to know your thoughts, if its advisable to move to GB on Captivate or remain on Froyo. In short, what are the advantages of moving to GB, over Froyo on Captivate, other than GB being the latest and greatest. I'm not sure if Captivate hardware at this point, can be supported completely by GB yet or other way around.
So let the discussion begin

I'm using miui and I love it. Had serendipity before and battery life is so much better with gb.
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GR-12, I9000 reoriented vG.1.2 and UGKC1 modem works better than any other I9000 port I have ever used. GPS is way better without any "fixes" added!

Don't be fooled by the "glowing" testimonials. All the GB ROMs are still in development and have some issues. It just depends on whether you can live with those issues or not. If you need everything on your phone to work properly, stick with a Froyo-based ROM for now.

cappysw10 said:
GR-12, I9000 reoriented vG.1.2 and UGKC1 modem works better than any other I9000 port I have ever used. GPS is way better without any "fixes" added!
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You mean that GPS is better on GB ? I never had any issues with GPS in all the latest Froyo ROM's.

I think GB is just better out of box! Better performance, FANTASTIC (comparatively) GPS, stability, and bragging rights to me friends (maybe that one is just me ha).
The only disadvantage is the lack of variety. There are GB ROMs surfacing, but it'll take time before we have more than maybe 5 to choose from, with 1 or 2 elites (well, that's with froyo as well regardless of the number of ROMs IMHO).
Basically, the choice is yours. I love GB, but it has presented some unforseen problems on some of my friends' phones and I've had to fix them (nothing major, just randomness).
There's my two cents!
Regards
Smith

Miami_Son said:
Don't be fooled by the "glowing" testimonials. All the GB ROMs are still in development and have some issues. It just depends on whether you can live with those issues or not. If you need everything on your phone to work properly, stick with a Froyo-based ROM for now.
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Yea, to be frank, I did use a couple of GB ROM's and they were good, but lots of bugs still to be fixed. I personally felt the only 2 reasons to go to GB was bcoz it was the latest/greatest and some GB ROM's support Netflix
P.S: One of my favorite apps Galaxy Tuner doesn't work on GB

I have been using continuum 5 for a couple of days and for me, it's been better than stock froyo for sure.
Speed, battery life, bluetooth connection and reliability, etc...
Try it for yourself to be sure, cause you cat ask 100 different people here and get 100 different answers.
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Srikar_NBK said:
You mean that GPS is better on GB ? I never had any issues with GPS in all the latest Froyo ROM's.
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You have a newer build? Mine is 1007, sucked eggs without a nudge.

Miami_Son said:
Don't be fooled by the "glowing" testimonials. All the GB ROMs are still in development and have some issues. It just depends on whether you can live with those issues or not. If you need everything on your phone to work properly, stick with a Froyo-based ROM for now.
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How many GB roms have you tried? I'm on GR-12 after trying every gb release to date and have zero problems and full functionality. Better than any froyo rom I've used and I've used most of them.
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bigbooty said:
How many GB roms have you tried? I'm on GR-12 after trying every gb release to date and have zero problems and full functionality.
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Here's the problem with anecdotal evidence, it only applies to the person giving it. What you consider to be "zero problems and full functionality" is only relevant to the way YOU use your phone. It doesn't mean everyone using that ROM will have the exact same experience because they likely don't use their phone exactly as you do. Reading the various GB ROM threads, there's enough people having issues ranging from minor to major to validate my statement. I don't have to use the ROM to see that. There's a reason "best ROM" threads get deleted or closed in here. It's because what works for one may not work for another. Rather than try to pass off my experience with a ROM I prefer to caution people not to accept the "glowing reviews" without a grain of salt. Maybe there'd be less people with problems if they were just a little hesitant to jump into flashing XYZ ROM based on those glowing reviews.

All gb based roms, as they are right now, are full of bugs/problems. Anyone who states otherwise is either a liar a fan boy or just doesn't know what they are talking about. Period.

GB roms have better battery life which is very important for me. and gallery flies : )
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Here's the thing, GB is the future around here. Very little development is continuing on froyo roms. One very popular rom is being finished by it's developer and a few others are also being finalized. The focus is rapidly shifting to GB for obvious reasons, it's just better and has way more potential. Personally I've had no issues with it and find it every bit as stable as the best froyo roms.
You will never know if you don't try it how it will run for you, but reading threads and listening to people complain about this and that can be found in any rom thread, froyo or GB.

bigbooty said:
Here's the thing, GB is the future around here. Very little development is continuing on froyo roms. One very popular rom is being finished by it's developer and a few others are also being finalized. The focus is rapidly shifting to GB for obvious reasons, it's just better and has way more potential. Personally I've had no issues with it and find it every bit as stable as the best froyo roms.
You will never know if you don't try it how it will run for you, but reading threads and listening to people complain about this and that can be found in any rom thread, froyo or GB.
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The problem is that because it is the next big thing, there are those who are jumping into it who have neither the expertise or ability to fix it when it goes wrong. I see people who haven't even mastered the simpler task of updating from Eclair to Froyo willing to start right off with the more complex procedure of flashing a GB ROM. Then many of those people (if they don't screw up the flash) end up trying to go back not knowing anything about the changed bootloaders and they end up in a world of hurt. The forums are filled with them and their issues. I'm all for experimentation, but human nature often overrides common sense and you get too many people who would rather jump feet first into the deep end and then come looking for someone to throw them a life preserver instead of putting on a flotation device before going into the water.

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The problem is that because it is the next big thing, there are those who are jumping into it who have neither the expertise or ability to fix it when it goes wrong. I see people who haven't even mastered the simpler task of updating from Eclair to Froyo willing to start right off with the more complex procedure of flashing a GB ROM. Then many of those people (if they don't screw up the flash) end up trying to go back not knowing anything about the changed bootloaders and they end up in a world of hurt. The forums are filled with them and their issues. I'm all for experimentation, but human nature often overrides common sense and you get too many people who would rather jump feet first into the deep end and then come looking for someone to throw them a life preserver instead of putting on a flotation device before going into the water.
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Thats a personal decision. I'm not about to tell someone not to try something, it should be their decision based on how comfortable they feel about the process. In reality it's more like 1 or 2% who end up with serious issues, I believe it was icezar who confirmed those percentages. If people take the time and read the instructions, it's no more difficult than flashing froyo. I remember a few bricks when froyo roms started appearing. Your always going to have some idiots who don't read first and get in trouble. Thats why all Devs post a disclaimer in their original posts. User beware no matter what you flash.
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I haven't ran into any problems that have warranted switching back to Froyo ROMs yet. Sure, they're not as polished as some of the Froyo ROMs, but it's not something you can notice right off the bat anyways, unless you're a developer yourself and actually looks for bugs/problems.

Went MIUI a couple of hours ago.
Now i find myself restoring back apps on A3 via TiBu.
Spoiled by stablity.

GR-12 actually got me to use my Captivate again, and even though I sold it, it worked fine for everything I used it for. That's texting, talking on the phone, and GPS, to name a few. Bluetooth may not work while your streaming Pandora as you drive down the road using the calculator, but I didn't really try any of that.
CM7 Inspire 4G

cappysw10 said:
You have a newer build? Mine is 1007, sucked eggs without a nudge.
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Mine is 1009 and GPS doesn't work on any custom ROM, used to work on stock 2.1.

slowing down - stay rooted???

ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark

markkal123 said:
ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
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God... talk about an industrial-strength stupid thread.

loonatik78 said:
God... talk about an industrial-strength stupid thread.
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LMAO ...
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markkal123 said:
ok... looks like the interest in the TB is waning. new phone options are coming available. posts and threads are slowing in this forum and others. development is slowing (Th3ory hasnt put out a new rom in like 1 1/2 weeks now ).
is it time to find one ROM for a daily and settle in? at some point will it make sense to convert the TB back to stock and run with verizon and its updates?
i probably will keep my TB for another year. any thoughts?
thanks
mark
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Yes interest in the TB is slowing and therefore so is development.
Yes newer phones are coming out
Switching to verizon and their updates is a turd choice though unless they come out with something utterly amazing and 0 DEV's here adopt it. Will never happen though unless the entire community is dead.

POQbum said:
Yes interest in the TB is slowing and therefore so is development.
Yes newer phones are coming out
Switching to verizon and their updates is a turd choice though unless they come out with something utterly amazing and 0 DEV's here adopt it. Will never happen though unless the entire community is dead.
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thanks, never meant to start an industrial-strength stupid thread. guess i was just wondering how long developers would be around pumping out new material, and whether or not people more experienced than me wouild be around for my gallacically stupid questions and such.
thanks for your answers
mark

We are getting a great dev coming from the og dinc forum. I say stick around for a few more weeks.
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Sorry man, but I read that OP and thought "What is this guy thinking?!?!?" Go back to stock and take whatever Verizon dishes out? I don't grasp the mental process that would conclude that as an option. I don't think interest is waning. I'll check that dipstick after Verizon sells it for free, or close to it, which is usually when sales get real good. Th3ory isn't exactly a benchmark of ROM development either. In fact, cranking out ROMs at a rate of any more than once every month is kinda unusual. BAMF went nearly 2 months without so much as a revision. Chingy usually goes at least a month. I don't understand what the deal is with Synergy and their goofy nightlies... how much can you tweak something before it's junk? I point to Ziggy's kernels as having exceeded that limit.
I came from the dInc. When I left that device as a primary device I stopped paying much attention to the ROMs for it. Now when I go and look around over there, there's heaps of devs I never heard of (a few with egos WAY too big for their sig), cranking out ROMs of all sorts. I know they hate to admit it over there, but the dInc is DEAD. If you want to see a device that seems dry on interest, visit the dInc2 forums, or some of the Motorola device forums. Or a LOT of forums, really. I don't know where you think devs are going since there isn't actually a better device worth upgrading to on Verizon. And don't say the Bionic; that thing was obsolete almost the day it launched, and the launch of the Inc HD WILL kill it. If you don't think a lot of the dev from that device will trickle down here, may I point you to all the stuff from the EVO 3D that's already made it's way here.

@ loonatik78...
yeah i guess after re-reading my OP it's kind of hard to take seriously. the TB is my first smart phone. never even knew there were forums like this that supported the phone, nor had i even a clue that these things could be rooted and modifed in such a way. certainly glad i googled my way XDA.
support has been wonderful here, and frankly find your posts well worth reading. thanks.
mark
as for going back to stock - well not a chance.

Even if it's the end of the line for sense updates (as far as from verizon), there will be updates to AOSP ROMs like CM7 and OMFGB long after as many phones have.

Switch to a new ROM? For example, Synergy has many updates a week currently and shows no sign of a stopping point in the future. Not to mention the ROM is completly badass and runs smooth like buttah

When was the Tbolt released, Jan or Feb of this year ? Interest will wane around Spring '13... A lot more people keep their phones for the two years or so that VZW "rewards" than you think. It's been what, six months ? The HTC Eris forum is still going strong, just as an example!
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yareally said:
Even if it's the end of the line for sense updates (as far as from verizon), there will be updates to AOSP ROMs like CM7 and OMFGB long after as many phones have.
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If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.

nrfitchett4 said:
If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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First off GPS works fine, second yea, the NFL app is still wonky but I strongly believe there are better alternatives on the market.
Second I would say go to OMFGB, since our phone is in their tree, any updates they make go to our phone, so even when we are forgot about we will still recieve updates as long as their team is around.
Also, synergy is not a bad choice (Especially if you like daily updates), BAMF forever would be a good choice as well. It was just released and runs super smooth. Plus updates are coming every 2 or 3 days at most.
Also, (And hopefully, final) we should be getting a Sense 3.5 port soon, (Team BAMF is currently spearheading that operation).
So sorry to tell you but development is still going strong.

miketoasty said:
First off GPS works fine, second yea, the NFL app is still wonky but I strongly believe there are better alternatives on the market.
Second I would say go to OMFGB, since our phone is in their tree, any updates they make go to our phone, so even when we are forgot about we will still recieve updates as long as their team is around.
Also, synergy is not a bad choice (Especially if you like daily updates), BAMF forever would be a good choice as well. It was just released and runs super smooth. Plus updates are coming every 2 or 3 days at most.
Also, (And hopefully, final) we should be getting a Sense 3.5 port soon, (Team BAMF is currently spearheading that operation).
So sorry to tell you but development is still going strong.
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sorry, but I'm not the only one having problems with gps on aosp ROMs. It's not just getting a working signal before flashing. Even after doing that and maps finding me ok, most apps that need gps to find you, such as search, gasbuddy, etc, end up placing me at least 2 miles away unless wifi is on.
It's ok, really don't mind sense ROMs. I freeze, uninstall a lot of sense parts and use different launchers. Playing with shell 3d right now.

walbuls said:
Switch to a new ROM? For example, Synergy has many updates a week currently and shows no sign of a stopping point in the future. Not to mention the ROM is completly badass and runs smooth like buttah
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+1 synergy has nightly and offical builds so flash away.
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nrfitchett4 said:
If only aosp roms had working nfl app and gps for me. Even with fixes, most apps that use gps either put me across the world, or just error out.
Guess if dev stalls, I might just have to learn to build roms myself.
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Building has proved challenging but as far as taking a leak and debloat deoxed and add root busy box WiFi tether that is very easy. Even adding a custom kernel is very easy. Tweaking extra settings is where I am lost right now such as RAMdisk edits and other such tweaks need info.
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Grnlantern79 said:
Building has proved challenging but as far as taking a leak and debloat deoxed and add root busy box WiFi tether that is very easy. Even adding a custom kernel is very easy. Tweaking extra settings is where I am lost right now such as RAMdisk edits and other such tweaks need info.
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built them on winmo, both tp2 and hd2. Just haven't had time to read up enough on android. But if it becomes a necessity, I will find the time.

[Q] [KERNEL] ?? Anyone have plans for new Sense Kernels (3.5 in particular)?

Now that HTC has dropped source, I'm wondering if anyone has plans for new kernels? I'd like to have proper sliders for overclocking at the least (though I'm grateful for all the hard work around the stock kernels).
If not, I'll see if I can get info from team BAMF and see what I can build because that's been my preferred ROM for a few weeks (running 1.03 right now). I haven't built anything for the public since the ZeusDroid project (OG Droid) though so I have to start from scratch (build environment and all).
The poll is to help me get an idea of much interest there is in such a project so I know whether I should expect to put much time into it.

There are 4 new kernels out for 3.5 roms since the source came out. And you should not have post this in development section this in a Q and A. If you can't find the kernels you are not as smart as you think you are. I will give you and Easter egg hunt if you go to your favorite Rom site you will find one of them made just for your favorite Rom.
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Grnlanturn. Do not insult rainabba. He is very knowledable. I remember the zeusdroid days. But I too am confused by the slider request. But there are a few good kernels can't name them since I run cm7 on my tbolt.
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Ok I won't be one to scare off a potential developer but there are in fact 4 kernels out for 3.5 roms ziggy, imo, jdk, adr. Another will be out when lou drops his. I say if you can make one, make one even in your spare time, it may blow all of them away.
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il say it.... go away

i may be wrong her but i dont think the kernels are "sense" based. they are based off of Android. so this post makes no sense...

andersonrt said:
i may be wrong her but i dont think the kernels are "sense" based. they are based off of Android. so this post makes no sense...
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Was this a joke? There ARE in fact sense based kernels... Hence the importance of HTC dropping its kernel source for sense based ROMs. Also the fact that an AOSP kernel does not work on a sense ROM and vice versa.......................

lol^....I am running BAMF SOAB, and it runs great stock...but the battery life was horrible and there was no overclocking, so I flashed the new imo kernel and its just as fast and way better on battery life...but I was wondering has anyone tried all of the other kernels with SOAB or another sense 3.5 rom?
I am looking for battery life..i was getting 6 hours with synergy with moderate use and now i am getting 8 hours with SOAB and the new imo kernel..if anyone has any suggestions on kernels let me know

musicfreak190 said:
I am looking for battery life..i was getting 6 hours with synergy with moderate use and now i am getting 8 hours with SOAB and the new imo kernel..if anyone has any suggestions on kernels let me know
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I'm at 40% after 12 hours off the charger with mild-moderate use and at least half the day I've been running this kernel (thanks to someone considerate enough to PM me a link instead of wasting posts here trolling) at 1.7GHz with the SmartAss2 governor. I'm not sure if I'm sold on this kernel yet (though it definitely is a nice base so either way, credit to jdkoreclipse).
For at least the last 4 days (and the first half of today), I've been running this kernel at 1.5GHz with the Demand governor and loving it. AMAZINGLY smooth and battery life has been as good as any ROM/Kernel combo I've used on my TBolt to date (12-16 hours with moderate use and lots of time on 4G/no wifi).

I love how this forum has a bunch of asenine "know-it-alls" that pretend to know what they're talking about (btw, this is not in reference to the original poster, but rather the jack asses that are posting replies in this thread).
If you don't have anything productive to add, then why are you here? I don't pretend to know a whole lot about developing, and in short, my contributions to the android community are minimal, at best. But I do contribute when I can, and if there's something I am not sure of, I don't spout off what I "THINK" I know, simply to make myself look like an idiot in front of those who do...
Well done, folks. Well done. I guess this is what everybody is talking about in other Android forums about the idiots on XDA.

playpolo4life said:
Was this a joke? There ARE in fact sense based kernels... Hence the importance of HTC dropping its kernel source for sense based ROMs. Also the fact that an AOSP kernel does not work on a sense ROM and vice versa.......................
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Actually, yes they can.
There is no Sense kernel. There is no AOSP kernel. Changes are mostly in the initramfs. AOSP usually requires a few extra changes as well, but a Sense kernel as you call it CAN boot AOSP. It may not be perfect, and some things may be broken, but most functionality is there. AOSP kernel as you call it may work on Sense based roms. It depends on how close the source is to the original source HTC supplied or worked with.
Note I said kernel. Not initramfs+kernel, aka boot.img.

Boostjunky said:
I love how this forum has a bunch of asenine "know-it-alls" that pretend to know what they're talking about (btw, this is not in reference to the original poster, but rather the jack asses that are posting replies in this thread).
If you don't have anything productive to add, then why are you here? I don't pretend to know a whole lot about developing, and in short, my contributions to the android community are minimal, at best. But I do contribute when I can, and if there's something I am not sure of, I don't spout off what I "THINK" I know, simply to make myself look like an idiot in front of those who do...
Well done, folks. Well done. I guess this is what everybody is talking about in other Android forums about the idiots on XDA.
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And you sir just proved your own point.

theoneownz said:
And you sir just proved your own point.
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You, sir, are correct. And unfortunately I realized it only after submitting my post. Too late to take it back, now. Guess I just needed to get something off my chest, though.
What I don't understand is why people have to attack potential developers on a personal level, I guess. Granted, the o.p. could have posted in a better suited forum, but why make it personal by practically calling him stupid in a round about way?
Sorry for posting at all. I'm sure it's all falling on deaf ears for the most part, anyway.
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Understood.
I apologize if any of my posts were offensive to any of the amazing devs that help to support this forum.
Adrynalyne, I appreciate your work and everything you've done to make our devices what they are today.
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Is there a Stable ROM?

Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.

Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?

Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
elister said:
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.

WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.

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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
K7Cobb said:
U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.

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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox

polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!

WELL SAID!!!!

Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet

Riyal said:
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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jesusjv95 said:
I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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onebornoflight said:
Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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