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need some advice

Ok, so with WM6 still in its "testing" phase and a few bugs that just wont seem to go away, I am being promoted at work and it will require me to use my phone as a tool for the job. ie direct push and all. Should i go back to my carriers WM5 release or Stick with WM6 in hopes that they will fix the rumored direct push issues?

i never got a direct pus problem on wm6... I use my mobile for work and i am using mb edition. I think is quite ok... on Faria`s i got some problems with gprs switching on and off all the time.... strange....

I've never used direct push. how do I go about setting it up. I can put together an exchange box if needed

nottoosmart said:
Ok, so with WM6 still in its "testing" phase and a few bugs that just wont seem to go away, I am being promoted at work and it will require me to use my phone as a tool for the job. ie direct push and all. Should i go back to my carriers WM5 release or Stick with WM6 in hopes that they will fix the rumored direct push issues?
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I have experimented with all the WM6 releases, and have not encountered any issues at all with push mail and my Exchange 2003 Server. Within a couple of seconds of a new e-mail reaching my desktop, it hits my phone.
I also have my POP3 account check for messages at 1 hour intervals. No probs there either.

I was one of the unlucky ones who did have a problem with push email on Farias WM6 ROM. It would sync the first time the phone was switched on, but then some time later would randomly stop working even though the GPRS connection was still up and Activesync said it was 'Connected' - only a manual resync would get it going again.
I tried multiple radio ROMS, 2.19, 2.25, 2.47 and 2.61 (hoping it was a radio ROM problem) but to no avail. Interestingly, I never had this particular problem with the MB WM6 rom - but that ROM had other issues, so in the end (as always) I've dropped back to Farias 3.3 ROM which is rock solid in every area.
Don't get me wrong those of you who take offence easily - Farias ROMS are great and I'm not knocking him any way - it's just "one of those things" that's probably quirky to my setup. If when he produces a new version, I'll test again.
Andrew

Most odd. Like bradsnw I've never had a direct push problem. This includes the more than 50 individual devices I've setup in the past, the 10 or so that I upgrade on a regular basis and mine. As Faria's tester and Junior Chef in Training my poor lil 8125 has seen just about every ROM variant (and mutant) imaginable, but never a DP problem. (And I've created some near bricking ROM's let me tell you!)
One thing I always do however is to not create my initial AS profile with my PC but on my device directly. (This is the only way I can get my task OTA) and I probably hard reset my device on the shoulder of Interstate 95 or a McDonalds parking lot as many times as I do at home.

I've never had an issue with Direct Push/Exchange 2003 while using WM6 either.

Dr Puttingham said:
Most odd. Like bradsnw I've never had a direct push problem. This includes the more than 50 individual devices I've setup in the past, the 10 or so that I upgrade on a regular basis and mine. As Faria's tester and Junior Chef in Training my poor lil 8125 has seen just about every ROM variant (and mutant) imaginable, but never a DP problem. (And I've created some near bricking ROM's let me tell you!)
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I agree - very odd. I've never had push fail before on the multitude of ROMS I've tried - those sort of problems always happened 'to other people' and not me ;^)
I tried all the usual stuff, resets, new partnerships, reloading the same ROM, new radio ROMS, certificates, etc etc etc. But in the end, I had to get the phone working 'for work', so went back to 3.3. Like I said, when Farias next ROM comes out, I'll try it again.
cheers,
Andrew

achick said:
I was one of the unlucky ones who did have a problem with push email on Farias WM6 ROM. It would sync the first time the phone was switched on, but then some time later would randomly stop working even though the GPRS connection was still up and Activesync said it was 'Connected' - only a manual resync would get it going again.
I tried multiple radio ROMS, 2.19, 2.25, 2.47 and 2.61 (hoping it was a radio ROM problem) but to no avail. Interestingly, I never had this particular problem with the MB WM6 rom - but that ROM had other issues, so in the end (as always) I've dropped back to Farias 3.3 ROM which is rock solid in every area.
Don't get me wrong those of you who take offence easily - Farias ROMS are great and I'm not knocking him any way - it's just "one of those things" that's probably quirky to my setup. If when he produces a new version, I'll test again.
Andrew
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There's nothing wrong with your push email.
Connected is good, it means that you have a connection with the server and you're up to date. This is how it shows in WM6
When you see "Synchronized Today" with a time, this means that was the last time your device updated with the server for whatever [email protected] tihs point, if you have signal....do a manual sync.
Again...CONNECTED...is good ......... SYNCHRONIZED TODAY...is ok
If your device doesnt synchronize folders at all ....you need to adjust your network connections and get the web to work 1st and then push email.
This isn't faria specific, that's how WM6 works.

nottoosmart said:
I've never used direct push. how do I go about setting it up. I can put together an exchange box if needed
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You need an exchange account.
I use www.4smartphone.com. It's a paid service that's cheap and I let them deal with the headaches of maintaining a server. The service has been 100% so far, not to try to sell you.
If you have the means and time to set up a box, let me know and I'll help as much as I can.

No problem at all with DP mail. I just give it to the people at IT and they set it up nicely for me. And I have taken it in daily because I keep changing roms!
But I am stopping at Faria's for now

dwny said:
There's nothing wrong with your push email.
Connected is good, it means that you have a connection with the server and you're up to date. This is how it shows in WM6
When you see "Synchronized Today" with a time, this means that was the last time your device updated with the server for whatever [email protected] tihs point, if you have signal....do a manual sync.
Again...CONNECTED...is good ......... SYNCHRONIZED TODAY...is ok
If your device doesnt synchronize folders at all ....you need to adjust your network connections and get the web to work 1st and then push email.
This isn't faria specific, that's how WM6 works.
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dwny, I appreciate your reply, but I beg to differ. I've been using push mail for a long time now, and I know when it's working or not - I'm not going to bore everybody with pointless detail, but:
I had a working internet connection via GPRS - I could surf using Pocket IE.
It would "automatically" sync my folders via GPRS when I turned the phone on. It would then stop working later.
Manually syncing is not push email? I had set the schedule settings to 'as items arrive' - why would I sync manually?
And as I said previously, I did not get the problem with the MB WM6 rom, nor the PDAviet 3 or 4 and I do not get the problem with Farias 3.3. Mail arrives automatically via GPRS (usually a a few seconds before it hits my desktop outlook) just fine in every ROM I've tried except Faria's latest. But I'll repeat - I'm not in any way 'blaming' Faria. It's just one of those things.
Andrew

achick said:
dwny, I appreciate your reply, but I beg to differ. I've been using push mail for a long time now, and I know when it's working or not - I'm not going to bore everybody with pointless detail, but:
I had a working internet connection via GPRS - I could surf using Pocket IE.
It would "automatically" sync my folders via GPRS when I turned the phone on. It would then stop working later.
Manually syncing is not push email? I had set the schedule settings to 'as items arrive' - why would I sync manually?
And as I said previously, I did not get the problem with the MB WM6 rom, nor the PDAviet 3 or 4 and I do not get the problem with Farias 3.3. Mail arrives automatically via GPRS (usually a a few seconds before it hits my desktop outlook) just fine in every ROM I've tried except Faria's latest. But I'll repeat - I'm not in any way 'blaming' Faria. It's just one of those things.
Andrew
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Again...this is how it works in WM6
When your device says "Connected" ... you are up to date.
While there..press Menu > Status and it will tell you when your device last synchronized.
WM5 shows "last synchronized" when up to date
WM6 shows "last synchronized" when not up to date.
What I experienced:
When I get "last synchronized" ... I also don't have internet and everything was working. I go to connections and change the name of the connection and all is well. Try this & see if it works for you.....

dwny, you ARE persistant!
"Again...this is how it works in WM6"
But it *wasn't* working!
I could tell it was not sychronizing because I would get 25 emails arriving in my Outlook inbox over period of an hour, and none of them arrived on my PDA! If I simply manually synced, they would all coming flooding in.
But let's not dwell on this anymore - I'm back on 3.3 now. If I find some time, I'll do a fresh download of the ROM and try again.
thanks for you time,
Andrew

Outlook
First, you get too damn much email. 25/hour? What are you, the president?
Seriously though, something has to be running to be able to get those push notifications. With all the tweaking people do I'm not surprised that things end up breaking. My suggestions are these:
1) Turn off X Button or whatever you are currently using to close rather than hide applications. WM5 and 6 were never designed for the apps to be closed every time. Many have background features that they depend on -- like poutlook. Why do you think it's in your \windows\startup folder.
2) It is *still* in your \windows\startup folder right?
Those are your hints -- all I know is that push worked fine for me as long as I left something there to push to.

baarod said:
First, you get too damn much email. 25/hour? What are you, the president?
Seriously though, something has to be running to be able to get those push notifications. With all the tweaking people do I'm not surprised that things end up breaking. My suggestions are these:
1) Turn off X Button or whatever you are currently using to close rather than hide applications. WM5 and 6 were never designed for the apps to be closed every time. Many have background features that they depend on -- like poutlook. Why do you think it's in your \windows\startup folder.
2) It is *still* in your \windows\startup folder right?
Those are your hints -- all I know is that push worked fine for me as long as I left something there to push to.
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President? - lol... I wish...
I get automated warnings and messages from databases and servers. And when things aren't running well, I get LOTS of emails.
Yep, poutlook was in my startup....
Anyway, after seeing all these success stories, I downloaded the ROM again (didn't trust the last download) and reflashed. Followed exactly the same procedure as normal (I flash ROMS regularly, so literally have my set routine) and guess what?
Works fine - 'straight out of the box'. I did nothing different to every other flash I've ever done....
Andrew
P.S. I now have an 'officially recognised' issue with the 2.61 radio ROM. But at least I'm back in the fold...

i am running the mun rom on tmobile usa and have no problems with exhange mail...push is working 100%
FYI - i am using the 2.61.11 radio rom

achick said:
President? - lol... I wish...
I get automated warnings and messages from databases and servers. And when things aren't running well, I get LOTS of emails.
Yep, poutlook was in my startup....
Anyway, after seeing all these success stories, I downloaded the ROM again (didn't trust the last download) and reflashed. Followed exactly the same procedure as normal (I flash ROMS regularly, so literally have my set routine) and guess what?
Works fine - 'straight out of the box'. I did nothing different to every other flash I've ever done....
Andrew
P.S. I now have an 'officially recognised' issue with the 2.61 radio ROM. But at least I'm back in the fold...
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Glad to see a fresh install worked for you.
Be careful with radio 2.61.11, it's known to cause dialpad issues and missed calls with the newer roms.

Pop mail and cooked roms

Anyone else have the issue of not being able to get pop email from cooked Rom's? I can get exchange mail, I can get phone calls, and hear the system sounds fine. I just cant get pop mail to work. I have tried about 4 or 5 Rom's, and all the radios listed in the sticky post. Please let me know how you fixed it, or if you know how to fix it.
thanks.

Maybe it is more of a setting for the POP account than the ROM's / Radios you have tried.
Maybe the POP accounts settings or port or something else - you are using improper settings? Hard to say...
Maybe someone will chime in with news about 4-5 ROMS all having problems with POP email.

need to go through the account settings in outlook to make sure you are using the right connection. 99.9% sure it is not the rom, just the connection settings

Its the same setting I am using for the one rom that will work. And its gmail, and verizon, so it auto downloads the settings from the web.

Did you make sure you have gmail setup to use pop3 connections?

yes I did. On the rom it works with, I can set it up and work with radio .09, but if I just change to any other radio like .11 or .17 or any other is will stop working. Then change back to .09 it will work again.

can anyone help?

email just broke today
My email was working last night as late as 11 pm. As of this morning I can't even get email to launch! I have tried launching via the today screen, windows live and thru the programs pull down. Now get this, I did a hard reset and reflashed and did a restore of the last good working backup..same thing! I'm running dutty's v7b hybrid rom. Also, voice command just started giving an error immediately on a soft reset. i don't know if this is related or not, but I just started searching for email issues and saw this thread. I have both hotmail and yahoo mail account configured. This after about of week of working fine with a replacement tilt for te 3G bug. Is it possible for AT&T to send something via an update that causes problems for cooked roms? I mean why won't a reflash fix this?
rich

a little help
One thing that I had to do with my comcast email was to forward it to a hotmail account. Nothing I tried would get my comcast email to work on the tilt. This works(or worked ) great for me. My issues are some sort of conflict with apps or a memory leak of some sort, but in general I suspect some email providers don't support pop for whatever reason, so maybe give the forward to hotmail a try.
rich

TimSykes said:
can anyone help?
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Perhaps it may help to be a bit more specific with the problem that you are having? Are you getting any errors or is it that the mail has simply not just appeared? If the latter is the case, not to insult your intelligence, but be sure to go through gmails settings and first of all enable pop...secondly, if you'd used pop somewhere else prior to that phone, you have to tell gmail again to re-enable pop mail even if it has been downloaded (I'm paraphrasing the wordage). You'll have to do this each and every time you switch the device/software you use to get your pop mail. (Imap wouldn't but imap currently is screwed from gmail's end)

without re-flashing my ROM, I can’t get the error, but it said something to the effect that it cannot connect to the server check the dialing rules. Every time I tell it to do a send a receive it would disconnect the 3g, reconnect it about 2 times, then give a issue with the 3g connection. And it’s odd because 3g works with everything but pop mail. It works for internet, and exchange email. It just when I do pop email. I have only been able to get pop to work with official att ROMs, and with radio .09

TimSykes said:
without re-flashing my ROM, I can’t get the error, but it said something to the effect that it cannot connect to the server check the dialing rules. Every time I tell it to do a send a receive it would disconnect the 3g, reconnect it about 2 times, then give a issue with the 3g connection. And it’s odd because 3g works with everything but pop mail. It works for internet, and exchange email. It just when I do pop email. I have only been able to get pop to work with official att ROMs, and with radio .09
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Ok, now I know exactly what you are talking about. I've had the same problems before, it seems as if autoconnect for some reason when I flashed didn't work fully. What I had to do was install the carrier settings cab that I kept over from my previous device. On some roms this happend for me, on others it didn't, it probably has something to do with the rom being HTC based or AT&T based. Try installing the Cingular/AT&T carrier settings cab found here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349630
I've attached to this thread as well. Be sure to report back if this works or not.

great, thanks I will have to flash it tonight and test this out. It would make me very happy.

no it did not work. It killed the internet on my phone.

TimSykes said:
no it did not work. It killed the internet on my phone.
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For what its worth since you're flashing ROMs, try flashing Q-Mobile 1.2 (sounds like you'd want the Tilt version since you're a US AT&T user). I can confirm that pop mail works just fine so if it doesn't work for you there then you can safely assume it is something other than your choice of ROM brand that is causing the issue. Cheers,

I found what it was, I had to change isp.cingular to wap.cingular

Glad to hear...sorry it didn't work immediatly.

Microsoft Exchange on ICS

I see this mentioned in various posts...but can we get a single thread started where we address this issue if it hasn't been addressed already. I need this working for me bad! I noticed some have gone back to Gingerbread...which I will more than likely do but I dislike Gingerbread! I'd rather stay with ICS only if I can get MS Exchange working. It prompts me to invoke security settings but takes me to storage settings???? I have seen where someone even went threw this but it still did not work. I still get the constant bubble at the top of my phone stating that MS Exchange is unable to sync because security settings haven't been enabled. With Gingerbread all you had to do was hit activate then put a pin in and wow your done....with ICS it does not do this...

I run ICS AOSP on my HD2 and it syncs with our Exchange server perfectly. What's the problem?
Sent from my Xoom using xda premium

1. Wrong AREA to post
2. You're using a beta rom, so go back to GB
3. Use a different client in ICS

What do you recommend me using. Aren't they all BETA's?

I use stock email from ics and push mail working good with HTML support.

I have an HTC Sensation and I cannot get it to sync on a fresh flash. Using ICS Stock email

InsertCoin 4.1.1 Android Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0.3 – Full Rom
Works flawlessly with Exchange Sync to what I believe is version 2010
/olme

The issue is with the HTC Sense 3.5 email client. I heard the native ICS email client works.

I have used the built in client in this version of ICS as well as the Sense 3.5 client both with ICS and GB. I have no problems with syncing with a Exchange 2010 server.
On some setups I found the activation screen for the Exchange security flew by quickly after I gave the entry a name..It showed up in the notification tray so I was able to roll down the notification click on the entry and activate it. I suspect if you reboot before activating you might be toast.
If you still are having problems try Touchdown for Smartphones..I found it works very well..in some ways it has better features than the built in client. Worth the 20 bucks.

bobbenedetti said:
I have used the built in client in this version of ICS as well as the Sense 3.5 client both with ICS and GB. I have no problems with syncing with a Exchange 2010 server.
On some setups I found the activation screen for the Exchange security flew by quickly after I gave the entry a name..It showed up in the notification tray so I was able to roll down the notification click on the entry and activate it. I suspect if you reboot before activating you might be toast.
If you still are having problems try Touchdown for Smartphones..I found it works very well..in some ways it has better features than the built in client. Worth the 20 bucks.
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Yea I'm using Elegancia's ICS v.1.0.2. I only use this because the colorful icons at the top..but if I knew how to get those without using that ROM i'll use another..but i'll try the one your using and also I just downloaded Touchdown so i'll check that out as well.

mine works fine on ARHD 6.0.3 Just asked to enable i hit enable and no issues

babyface215 said:
Yea I'm using Elegancia's ICS v.1.0.2. I only use this because the colorful icons at the top..but if I knew how to get those without using that ROM i'll use another..but i'll try the one your using and also I just downloaded Touchdown so i'll check that out as well.
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I should have said I am currently using Megadroid ICS 4.0.3 v 1.4.2

Storage encryption.
Hello,
Mine works. I had to tick the storage encryption.
Beware though.
Enabling encryption on the SD card will WIPE ALL the data on the card without any notice (as far as I remember).
Make a backup of your SD card prior to encrypting.
Should you go back to GB for any reason, you will have to un-encrypt the SD card and that will wipe the card too!
Cheers.
babyface215 said:
I see this mentioned in various posts...but can we get a single thread started where we address this issue if it hasn't been addressed already. I need this working for me bad! I noticed some have gone back to Gingerbread...which I will more than likely do but I dislike Gingerbread! I'd rather stay with ICS only if I can get MS Exchange working. It prompts me to invoke security settings but takes me to storage settings???? I have seen where someone even went threw this but it still did not work. I still get the constant bubble at the top of my phone stating that MS Exchange is unable to sync because security settings haven't been enabled. With Gingerbread all you had to do was hit activate then put a pin in and wow your done....with ICS it does not do this...
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I had an issue with exchange, setup went well to the point to activate securety settings.
it just stopped there and would not activate.
i found out that due to extensive flashing i had used up the max numer of devices on exchange server. Luckely i have my on exchange server so i could reset the device amount.
When this was done the setup went like normal.

Exchange settings don't stick for long
Hi, I too use Exchange on ICS and have had no real issues except this one:
I change the default sync settings from 15mins/1hour to push/manual. Frequently this resets again to the default settings.
Anyone know why this is?
Can I tweak an ini file or is something else causing this?
Hope someone can help as it is becoming quite irritating.

This problem only happens with Hotmail/Live Mail. But you have a point, it's quite annoying. And you can't set it to HTML! This option is greyed out.

Crazykev said:
Hi, I too use Exchange on ICS and have had no real issues except this one:
I change the default sync settings from 15mins/1hour to push/manual. Frequently this resets again to the default settings.
Anyone know why this is?
Can I tweak an ini file or is something else causing this?
Hope someone can help as it is becoming quite irritating.
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Hi, a suggestion for you!
And maybe op and others to try
I also had sync issues with ICS and Sense 3.5/6 and 4, they always reverted back to 15 min, 5kb etc.
But surprise surprise! Baadnewz's Sense 4 beta10 includes a fix for this!!!
I can set options like sync every hour, full message download and they stick!
Even upon reboot
Finally HTC became aware of the issue (and did something about it), maybe it solves issues for op as wel..

hengmy said:
I use stock email from ics and push mail working good with HTML support.
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How can I use the stock email from ICS instead the one from Sense?

Also working on Badnews Insertcoin v5.1.6 ICS v3.6. Exchange settings stick even after reboot....
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

Exchange Server 2010 (14.01.0339.001)
ARHD 6.5.2 XE, kernel SebastianFM v1.30.2 - 1782 MHz
Default email client works perfectly fine. Push email works, limit set to 5kb by default, format HTML. Settings presist through a reboot. Contacts/mail/tasks/calendar are in sync, no problems.
6.5.2 was installed for the 1-st time. I had stock rom/kernel/radio. So you might want to try perform a super-wipe, flash ROM again and install the latest kernel. Also to help you pinpoint the issue, logs from the gateway and the device would help i guess. Exchange ActiveSync is quite weird sometimes, worce is only RPCoHTTP, heh.
EDIT: Also after preforming a clean install of the system, don't restore anything from backup. Test if it works in default configuration. I ran into a few problems after restoring settings from titanium backup.

Official ICS\Sense 3.6 email sync settings problem

Hello,
I never rooted my Sensation, and I just got the official ICS and Sense 3.6 last week.
I found some minor issues that I believe HTC will fix at the near future.
Generally I think it's great update.
The greatest problem is that it always "forget" the mail settings!
I find myself changing the Sense 3.6 mail app settings, and the same at the Exchange Activesync - and it always back to defaults.
So simple: Push mail to my Gmail, mails from 30 days back and fully sync to the Gmail at my PC (when I read mail there, mark it as read!). - and it doesn't work well!
Do anyone else having this problem?
Do anyone can solve it?
Tnx

sensation007 said:
Hello,
I never rooted my Sensation, and I just got the official ICS and Sense 3.6 last week.
I found some minor issues that I believe HTC will fix at the near future.
Generally I think it's great update.
The greatest problem is that it always "forget" the mail settings!
I find myself changing the Sense 3.6 mail app settings, and the same at the Exchange Activesync - and it always back to defaults.
So simple: Push mail to my Gmail, mails from 30 days back and fully sync to the Gmail at my PC (when I read mail there, mark it as read!). - and it doesn't work well!
Do anyone else having this problem?
Do anyone can solve it?
Tnx
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Yepp, seems like a common issue. Please check here.

Exchange profile randomly disappearing...

Does anyone else have the problem of their Exchange/ActiveSync profile just randomly disappearing? It's happened 4 times now. Driving me crazy. Any advise? I can set it down and pick it up 15 minutes later and the profile is gone!
I'm running a stock/non-rooted GT6800 w/ an AT&T SIM. My exchange server is 2010. Everything works perfectly when the profile is there.
Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Honestly I wouldn't care, but most of my contacts are in Exchange and when I lose the profile, I have to re-enter some of the contact info in the phone that exchange doesn't save (Ringtone, etc.)
-TheFixer

Same happens to me. I thought I've done something wrong. But obviously it was not me but Samsung...
Don't know how to solve it other than using another Exchange app or wait until Q3 for the ICS update...

I'm running Tweaked Stock ROM V3 and I only sync mail, no contacts or calender and I've never lost any info or had any trouble? I'm connected to SBS2003.

Having the same issue. I've had my Tab 10 days now and during that time my activesync account has disappeared 3 times now. Have no idea yet what's causing it to happen.

I ended up just using the Touchdown app instead of the built in exchange client.
Sent from Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 4G

Still happening here. I am still on 3.2. I wonder if fixed on 4.0?

going to ICS fixed that problem for me
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Still happening here. I am still on 3.2. I wonder if fixed on 4.0?
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I have not had the problem going since going to ICS with exchange. you have lots of choices on which ROM version to install. the instructions on this site are excellent and should be followed to eliminate problems when you upgrade. hope all goes well.

Same issue with mine.
Mine is rooted with stock rom (3.2).
My exchange account stops working after around 2-3 weeks. It tells me it is something to do with a security certificate.
I then have to remove it and re-enter everything again to get it back

Kind of same issue for me under ICS. It sometimes loses all the Exchange information (Contacts, emails, etc...) and then redownloads everything
Needless to say it is costly in battery life and bandwidth use
That seriously pisses me off, since I had similar problems with my Samsung original Tab 7 !!!! Unbelievable they haven't improved since
Only way onmy Tab for me to ahve something working decently was imply to switch to CM...