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I'm using HTC Desire, which always encounter a problem of low memory space. As for the spec of this handset, there is only 512MB ROM equiped. But I saw handsets by other manufacturer, for example: Samsung, are equiped with 8GB ROM, even more for some models. Is there any concern to equip greater size of ROM in Android handsets? I can't understand the reason for such a great brand in smartphone is supplying such a poor spec for their phones.
Expandable memory, root and apps2sd. Even the Froyo apps2fat works fine to save space.
evilkorn said:
Expandable memory, root and apps2sd. Even the Froyo apps2fat works fine to save space.
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One main problem I've enountered is the speed and launching of applications. When I've moved apps to SD, it may takes quite a long time while booting up, which is, I'm not able to launch any app in the first few minutes of booting up. And widgets from those apps are also unable to launch after rebooting too. So I'm so interested in phones with large internal storage but also love HTC Sense so much.
You're wrong, the Android users have messed up with ROM memory, internal SD, external SD and RAM. Samsung has 8 GB internal SD, not ROM. HTC Amaze 4G has 2.5 GB ROM in total, apparently HTC one S has ~2.2 GB ROM in total but with the same number of apps, one S can achieve 1.8 GB free ROM memory. Correct me if I'm wrong, One series users. There must be something wrong with Amaze's ROM memory utilisation.
On my HTC Amaze 4G, at least 250 MB ROM memory is needed before the "insufficient memory available" bug appears everytime you install an app. As soon as you move apps to external memory in order to save ROM memory, your apps will start to lose integrity and the whole android experience will suck.
I know that they are supposed to come with 4 gigs of memory. My phone its is telling me have have under a gig. Now, I haven't had out long and I only have a few apps. Could myes rooted rom take up all the available space? Or is there's another source? Thanks!
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rubyv said:
I know that they are supposed to come with 4 gigs of memory. My phone its is telling me have have under a gig. Now, I haven't had out long and I only have a few apps. Could myes rooted rom take up all the available space? Or is there's another source? Thanks!
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I think you're confusing internal vs SD card storage. My understanding is it's 1GB internal, and they ship with 8GB SD card (originally they were going to ship with 4GB SD so that's why there are some sites with bad specs out there).
I have a ton of apps installed and I still have half my total internal available.
I was told that the phone had four gbs internal in addition to the eight gig card.
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rubyv said:
I was told that the phone had four gbs internal in addition to the eight gig card.
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I believe you were misinformed. And I stand corrected, it's got 768mb internal, and 8GB flash storage.
Actually it does have 4gb of internal memory, but you can only use slightly over 1gb. This was the same issue with the G2.
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And 768 is the RAM
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droe411 said:
And 768 is the RAM
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I'm not sure this is accurate. What's on the 4gb ROM? Makes no sense to have 4GB of read-only memory on any device.
If the OS\support is generally under 300mb, and is housed within the 768mb, what takes up the 4GB ROM? That wouldn't make any sense. I know there was some bad info that went out when the phone first released.... I think this may have stemmed from that.
I know ot doesnt make sense bit thats what it is. Liok at all stat sheets for.the phone. There is a pile of memory that is rwad only holding a backup of some kind.
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The OS itself is stored in the 4 gig internal SD, and uses RAM out of the 768mb. Even though it has 4 gb of internal storage, the way its formatted only let's us use 2 gigs. its formatted for speed and stability rather than size, therefore we lose half of it, then the OS takes up almost a gig, so now were down to 1 gig of usable storage on the internal card, then we have the 8 gb external.
And I believe the 768 of RAM is for running processes, for multi-tasking.
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di11igaf said:
The OS itself is stored in the 4 gig internal SD, and uses RAM out of the 768mb. Even though it has 4 gb of internal storage, the way its formatted only let's us use 2 gigs. its formatted for speed and stability rather than size, therefore we lose half of it, then the OS takes up almost a gig, so now were down to 1 gig of usable storage on the internal card, then we have the 8 gb external.
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Sounds like the same engineers who designed the AT&T network had their hands involved in this phone's design process.
Let's put a 20 gallon gas tank on a car, but weld a divider down the middle so someone can only put 10 gallons of gas in it. LOL
There was the same issue withe the G2 when it came out. It confused the heck out of a lot of them.
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I'm still noy buyin it that there's a mystery 4GB in the phone.
Looking at the root system it's about 500mb, of which 300mb is free (for tasking), and then I have about 250mb of apps installed, which adds up too close to 768 for coincidence in my mind.
If there were a 4gb ROM floating around in there, it'd be absolutely useless. Obviously the OS isn't installed on it, since It's ROM (read ONLY), and apps don't use it as storage (read ONLY), and it's not used for multitasking space (read ONLY), so there's no logical explanation for it.
MY theory is originally the phone was going to ship with 4GB memory card, and they changed it to 8GB at the last minute.... and that was an artifact that got jumbled with the old specs.... because GSM Arena and AT&T both show 768RAM plus 8GB SD Card only.
bella92108 said:
I'm still noy buyin it that there's a mystery 4GB in the phone.
Looking at the root system it's about 500mb, of which 300mb is free (for tasking), and then I have about 250mb of apps installed, which adds up too close to 768 for coincidence in my mind.
If there were a 4gb ROM floating around in there, it'd be absolutely useless. Obviously the OS isn't installed on it, since It's ROM (read ONLY), and apps don't use it as storage (read ONLY), and it's not used for multitasking space (read ONLY), so there's no logical explanation for it.
MY theory is originally the phone was going to ship with 4GB memory card, and they changed it to 8GB at the last minute.... and that was an artifact that got jumbled with the old specs.... because GSM Arena and AT&T both show 768RAM plus 8GB SD Card only.
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GSMARENA Inspire 4G
gsmarena also states 4GB INTERNAL STORAGE, not ROM specifically.
From their site...
Internal 4 GB storage, 768 MB RAM
Card slot microSD, up to 32GB, 8GB included, buy memory
There is a thread in this forum with this issue questioned, and some guy emailed HTC. The answer we are telling you is the same they tell every one. This is not AT&T HTC phones do this, look at the G2 the Thunderbolt. It isn't a lie they are telling every one. That is what they use the memory for, some sort of back up(I don't know exactly what it is backing up). HTC does this with all the newer phones.....
Here is a good answer for this guys, we lose half the available space for speed and stability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12111805&postcount=11
footbal9584 said:
Here is a good answer for this guys, we lose half the available space for speed and stability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12111805&postcount=11
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I call shenanigans haha
Already many threads on the topic. Yes there is technically 4GB internal but only 1GB is user accessible. The other 3GB is reserved for the OS, ect...
Twenty4 said:
Already many threads on the topic. Yes there is technically 4GB internal but only 1GB is user accessible. The other 3GB is reserved for the OS, ect...
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If I can't use it or see it, it doesn't exist. ;-)
bella92108 said:
If I can't use it or see it, it doesn't exist. ;-)
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I agree, I just pretend it only came with one gig and honestly, with 93 apps (50 on Sdcard), I still have 650 mb left so it doesn't bother me too much.
hey guys.
i m user of htc desire hd. i got 580 mb of ram like everyone but due to installtion of app it remains to 250-280mb after killling apps with appkiller.
is there any way the developer has made to increase ram or transfer sd card memory to ram or use sd card as ram....?
kindly help me and tons of other desire hd users....!
this interests me as well,though i am pretty sure it's a bad idea to use the sd card as ram if you plan on using it for other purposes as well (i'd compare it to hyperboost with usbsticks on win7/vista,which sucks)
I would not recomend using appkillers, Not only they are usless you might harm your phone. Those aplication you are killing are working in background and using very little memory. You cant even tell how little. Use appkiller just to monitor how many ram a program is using.
Ok first of all, i'm OK with the 764MB of ram, actually.
But it's good to know if there is any posibility, of having a 1GB of ram, because there is a lot of phones, with a hiden ram.
Xperia X10 is suposed to have 256, but really have 320, HTC HD2 442mb, 512 real, and other phones with "hidden ram" so, maybe our sensations have 1GB but it's hidden, or unabled!!!
What do you think? there is any way to know that?
thanks
Yes it is possible, like with rom, officialy it is 1GB, but it is 4GB ! 3GB is hidden for system, updates, etc. With s-off and root we could change this. Also in case of ram: 768 is not popular, ram chips are 0,25, 0,5; 1, 2 usual, I dont understand why htc rask manager shows 556 MB (100-180 free), but android running apps shows different number (280-300 MB free)... someone would need to disassemble sensation and look on chips numeration....
elektrownik said:
someone would need to disassemble sensation and look on chips numeration....
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That's true!!
Maybe have FM transmitter, and other unabled features!
We do have an FM radio.
Paging Dr B said:
We do have an FM radio.
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I mean transmiter, not reciver, to transmit the sound of the phone via radio ( if you whant to put your music on a old car via FM )
tomeu0000 said:
I mean transmiter, not reciver, to transmit the sound of the phone via radio ( if you whant to put your music on a old car via FM )
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Ohhh, yeah that would be pretty cool. I've used after market ones, but I wasn't aware that any phones included that built in.
elektrownik said:
Yes it is possible, like with rom, officialy it is 1GB, but it is 4GB ! 3GB is hidden for system, updates, etc. With s-off and root we could change this. Also in case of ram: 768 is not popular, ram chips are 0,25, 0,5; 1, 2 usual, I dont understand why htc rask manager shows 556 MB (100-180 free), but android running apps shows different number (280-300 MB free)... someone would need to disassemble sensation and look on chips numeration....
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While chip is definitely 4gb, it has been formatted to reduce capacity but increase speed. No, you will not get 4gb out of it no matter what you do, once it's formatted that way - there's no way back. There are no "hidden" partitions, nothing is reserved for future updates or any other BS like that.
Ram memory is definitely 768MB. While it's not the most popular size, it has been used before (MyTouch 4G, Incredible S, Desire HD to name few). You will not see all of it in any task manager because 100+ MB is reserved for stuff below OS level (radio, gpu, etc) which is absolutely ridiculous but that's the way HTC does things.
If anyone is wondering, Android's running apps is most likely showing the correct number of free memory.
borodin1 said:
While chip is definitely 4gb, it has been formatted to reduce capacity but increase speed.
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Formatted ?
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-offers-just-1gb-of-4gb-rom-to-users-12145797/
borodin1 said:
it has been formatted to reduce capacity but increase speed.
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SGSII with 16Gb is faster whitout that format...
I don't know why you think it are 768MB
SysInfo tells my my Sensation has 1.15GB
See ScreenShot.
And I have round 95 App's Installed
Ghostrider said:
I don't know why you think it are 768MB
SysInfo tells my my Sensation has 1.15GB
See ScreenShot.
And I have round 95 App's Installed
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He is talking about the amount of RAM inside the phone, while you're talking about the amount of storage space. 2 different things.
IJS-T said:
He is talking about the amount of RAM inside the phone, while you're talking about the amount of storage space. 2 different things.
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Oh..., ok my wrong
but then you all have more then I
Ghostrider said:
I don't know why you think it are 768MB
SysInfo tells my my Sensation has 1.15GB
See ScreenShot.
And I have round 95 App's Installed
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You are looking at disk space (capacity) and they are speaking of RAM (memory).
elektrownik said:
Formatted ?
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-offers-just-1gb-of-4gb-rom-to-users-12145797/
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Partitioned, not formatted. English is not one of my strongest points (second language).
Here's the info, if you're really interested.
http://tjworld.net/wiki/Android/HTC/EMMC/UnderstandingUserCapacity
G2/Desire Z wiki has simpler explanation.
tomeu0000 said:
SGSII with 16Gb is faster whitout that format...
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Faster is not always more reliable but feel free to import one for $800+ and find out.... I'll "crawl" with my "slower" sensation and half of grand in my pocket. And yes, I'll envy you because I do like SGS2, just don't think it's worth that much with very little known about warranty and such....
I recently bought a One S and one thing that has really been bugging me is the fact that I have much les storage than advertised. It says that you get 16 GB, but the actual amount is 12.14, and
2.21 of that is internal memory so I only actually have 9.93 to store my media. Why is this? Also it says it should have 1 GB of RAM but task manager says I only have 650 MB.
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tjamzt said:
I recently bought a One S and one thing that has really been bugging me is the fact that I have much les storage than advertised. It says that you get 16 GB, but the actual amount is 12.14, and
2.21 of that is internal memory so I only actually have 9.93 to store my media. Why is this? Also it says it should have 1 GB of RAM but task manager says I only have 650 MB.
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16 GB storage is partitioned and some RAM is reserved for the system and the GPU.
tjamzt said:
I recently bought a One S and one thing that has really been bugging me is the fact that I have much les storage than advertised. It says that you get 16 GB, but the actual amount is 12.14, and
2.21 of that is internal memory so I only actually have 9.93 to store my media. Why is this? Also it says it should have 1 GB of RAM but task manager says I only have 650 MB.
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First off no hdd or flash memory is ever 100% as advertise because its been formatted to run. That's why there is only 12gb instead of 16gb. And that 2gb is the space dedicated to app installs. And the remainder is for you to do with however you please. Music, videos, extra game data (like many of gameloft games where you need to dl an extra 500 MB or so) or whatever you else you want to throw on other then an app install.
When you see an app in market and you download it and install it, it goes directly to that 2gb partition. If you download an app from a third party website it first goes to the 9gb space and once it installs it, it installs on the 2gb and all you need to do is delete the original dl .apk or keep it as a back up.
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The above answers covered the answer so no need to reiterate but I just want to opine that you should consider yourself lucky, HTC doesn't rape you like Motorola does. On the Razr and Bionic, they are advertised as 16gb internal but only 8 is accessible to the user. They allot 4gb for apps and 4 for the OS. Bonus for them is obviously expandable memory.
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System takes the resources
On many phones the preinstalled software takes a lot of space. I would recommend to install another ROM. I always do that to get rid of the software I don't need.
Ok. Thanks for the help. But what about the RAM? Shouldnt all of it be available?
tjamzt said:
Ok. Thanks for the help. But what about the RAM? Shouldnt all of it be available?
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As already said, some of the RAM is reserved for the system and GPU. For example my HD2 should have 576MB RAM but it only has 411/403 (depends on the ROM/Kernel I guess) because 128MB is for the GPU and the rest is used by the system. I never actually get that much free RAM (I never get more than 200MB free, and that's only on startup; normally I have around 130MB free) but at the same time it's never really been an issue.
Ok. I just though that everything was shown together because I always have 500 MB of RAM used even with all applications closed.
The phone will still reserve some RAM for itself, and that is not the best indicator of RAM that's actually in use.
HTC One S is a gorgeous piece of hardware. To bad they didn't add sd card support...
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My iPad is advertised 16 gb but its 13. Is the answers here applicable to that?
larsibsen said:
On many phones the preinstalled software takes a lot of space. I would recommend to install another ROM. I always do that to get rid of the software I don't need.
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System software installed on separate partition usually. So removing them will not add more space to the user data.
OptimusLove said:
My iPad is advertised 16 gb but its 13. Is the answers here applicable to that?
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Yes