Is there an application for the TP which allows for the device to be used as a HID over Bluetooth to control a desktop PC?
there are programs that let you control your desktop PC in various ways, but nothing specific for TP or the keyboard
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
"can't be that hard"?
How did you come to this conclusion?
Educated guess? Or just guess?
Well it would need to modify a little bit the bluetooth stack and emulate a HID keyboard, I guess.
Tonight I'm the Jeremy Clarkson of the day, with his most famous quote: "how hard can it be?!" when obviously it is very hard to do...
So I absolutely don't mean it is an easy thing to do, but I'm sure some experts in XDA-Dev are skilled enough to do it.
Hey, a man can dream, right?
Another option is to use a program like VNC to pilot your pc from the your raphael.
Used to do it with my old ppc (Toshiba e830). This works only if the computer you want to control is also in the same network (connected either through LAN cable or wifi).
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
Not exactly what you were talking about but...
http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/
About the size of a lighter, and you can use it for you phone as well. (Picture attaching your phone to the TV in the back. Using your bluetooth to open a program on it. Then typing away on the scren with this "futuristic keyboard from the stars!!".... or something like that.)
that must be one of the most useless gadgets ever created
huge initial "wow" factor, but that is all
Useless? I don't know... over priced, and unnecessary maybe, but a portable full sized keyboard doesn't seem useless to me.
Have you tried it?
I have. Very stupid to tap a plain table, since you cannot feel anything (even the separation of the buttons) you make 60% mistakes.
Also, it is not even portable! You need a large flat surface to put it and to let it throw its beam.
(and one more thing to recharge)
I stand by my original wording.
nethopper said:
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
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Well, HID implementation in Windows also includes programs and services that start with your windows. So if you have to install only 1 program to make it run I don't think it is a big deal.
It's 3 years I use my main computer this way. As I have a projector and don't want to start it every time I installed VNC server in my main computer (freeware) and VNC client in both my laptop and PPC, and it works pretty well (especially with Vista on my laptop, it runs pretty smooth).
@NLS:
Hmm, well from that description I will have to agree with you and add useless to my definition of the product as well.
@nethopper:
Yeah if you were looking for remote solutions I would suggest Logmein.com (the free version because I am cheap). If you want something that purely converts your phones keyboard into a computer keyboard... I found ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/communications/blueremote/ ) for palm devices, this ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/enhancements/ppc-tablet-remote-control-suite/ ) for ppc but over TCP/IP instead of bluetooth, and a patent showing that someone *Microsoft* is working/has worked on the idea ( http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0120448.html ) so the search continues
@FlippyTK: I'm aware of the VNC solution, but I'm really looking for something as slim and elegant as the software on the SE phones. There are situations where you don't want or can't install anything on the host PC.
@NetApex: Thanks, for the links. The MS patent is strange, how could they file something as obvious as this? There must be prior art... But the patent might be the reason why such a software does not exist. I guess everybody is afraid of the MS lawyers...
I'll keep searching, please let us know if you have the solution...
I'm not sure a pure HID solution is possible. If the Raphael keyboard is indeed a HID-capable device, then the phone itself is its host. Since you would have to go through the host (in this case, WM) to access the bluetooth stack, the most direct solution is a software "pass-through" program.
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The SE solution is using bluetooth HID emulation, so I will take a look into that.
For now, the TCP/IP solution shouldn't be a problem: you can setup a bluetooth PAN for TCP/IP connectivity.
For reference, one software that is closest to what you have in mind is Synergy, a similar host/client pass-through program that allows you to use one keyboard/mouse on multiple networked computers (without using hardware KVM switch, etc). It's only Windows/Mac/Unix, no PPC client, but maybe it will help point you in the right direction.
I found the following article which gives a nice overview of remote control solutions:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/blogs/3/remote_media_controllers_for_windows_mob
The software from Jerom does a nice job (http://www.jaylee.org/RemoteControl/) and I used it on my Prophet for some time. It requires for a small program to be installed on the host and it is easy to set up. But I had it hang a few times (typically in the middle of a management presentation) and therefore I abandoned it. The SE solution I had before was absolutely reliable and that's why I look for something similar for WM.
In principle, the solution is simple: Implement a HID device driver and pass key/touches to it. I did some programming for WM devices but I never tackled the bluetooth stack... there is a significant hurdle - otherwise someone else would have done this app already. ;-)
that would be cool
using the phone to open an app that is named "operate as bluetooth keyboard" and clicking start to take control of a home theater PC using teh TV as your monitor and the desktop media PC as the CPU and just using your phone as nothing more than a keyboard would be pretty slick.
golympio said:
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
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If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
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If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
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That is cool, but also pricey
UP!!!!!
I searched this now for a few days on the web. I found plenty of programs doing lots of things coming close to what I am looking for but nothing exactly what I am looking for that would work.
I am looking for a program that turns my HD2 into a native bluetooth mouse. I don't need any remote control or remote desktop stuff, I want my HD2 to look like a regular mouse connected by bluetooth.
I found plenty of remote control apps, that would require a server installed to the computer I want to control with my HD2, however this is exactly NOT what I am looking for. I want to control any computer that supports generic bluetooth input devices, no matter if Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever without installing any additional software to the computer.
I found two programs, that claim to do that (mobileSRC RemoteMobile and MobileMouse) but neither will function on the HD2. RemoteMobile does not seem to support the Widcomm Bluetooth Stack and MobileMouse is not usable, because it's not designed for WVGA (at minimum, I cannot get past the Licence Disclaimer after starting the app, because I do not reach any controls to do so).
Is there anything out there that would do what I am looking for on a HD2?
+1 Looking for the same
http://gbmsoftware.com/
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http://gbmsoftware.com/
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oh yeah, this is what I was looking for, thank you very much!
Which irony: I am still looking for what I described in my first post - and while I was searching for a program capable of doing this once again, I stumbled across my own old thread here
Sadly gdayhtc's solution wich seems to make 2 die 4 happy is exaclty what I am *not* looking for. I was aware of GRemote when I wrote this posting in january already. The point is, you need to install a server application on the host you want to use your phone with. The "talking" is done between the application on the phone and the server on the host as regular network traffic. This is not what I am looking for. What I am looking for is an application that basicly says "Hi [whatever operating system you are], I am a regular bluetooth mouse! Go ahead and load your appropriate drivers, so I can talk to you (just as any other bluetooth mouse would do)!" - and if there are Bluetooth touch pads, that the phone could emulate, that would be even better Basicly the phone will promote another bluetooth service to other devices that do a bluetooth service lookup stating that it can be a bluetooth input device. I can't believe nobody did something like that! Besides having to poke around in some bluetooth input device standards it seems like the much cleaner and more appropriate approach to use your phone as an input device over bluetooth compared to what GRemote and the others are doing.
I don't think there is such thing as a 'generic' blue tooth mouse (please correct me if I am wrong).
If you get a logitech one, it still loads its appropriate driver for the operating system you are using. Same for DELL (both use setpoint) and I'm sure Microsoft (and for the different models, there may be different drivers).
What I think you can best hope for is somebody to emulate one of these 'drivers', but at the end of the day, I would assume that some driver will have to be loaded on your pc/server.
I have been thinking that using the glorious HD2 screen would be perfect to watch mobile tv on the phone. I am referring to the tv content broadcast by some providers through the DVB-H standards.
Of course there is no dvb-h receiver inside HD2. So whats the solution. I wondering whether we can use the solution that Nokia employs in some of its handsets. A number of Nokia phones including N97 use a bluetooth Mobile TV Receiver (SU-33W) - http://europe.nokia.com/find-produc...-tv-receivers/nokia-mobile-tv-receiver-su-33w
Is it possible to write an application to enable the HD2 to communicate with the Nokia receiver and thereof be able to get mobile tv in the HD2. Nokia phones use the attached application to enable communication with the receiver. The exe file is a .sis extension for symbian S60.....
Kindly let the experts look at this and see whether its possible.
No chance as there aren't any USB host drivers for the HD2 yet. Even if they come you'd have to carry a separate power supply for the dongle, and find someone to write drivers and an app for it, as symbian is totally different the existing app is useless for the HD2. Chances are awfully low.
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No chance as there aren't any USB host drivers for the HD2 yet. Even if they come you'd have to carry a separate power supply for the dongle, and find someone to write drivers and an app for it, as symbian is totally different the existing app is useless for the HD2. Chances are awfully low.
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its bluetooth not USB!
kilrah said:
No chance as there aren't any USB host drivers for the HD2 yet. Even if they come you'd have to carry a separate power supply for the dongle, and find someone to write drivers and an app for it, as symbian is totally different the existing app is useless for the HD2. Chances are awfully low.
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Sorry its a bluetooth receiver not USB. My bad. And the receiver has its own battery...... So its down to writing an application (and maybe drivers????) to enable communication between the receiver and the HD2.
Anyone?
PlayStation said:
So its down to writing an application (and maybe drivers????)
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it would need both... im not sure if any developers would be interested in this. Sounds good though!
Maybe try posting this in the development and hacking section of XDA?
Oh OK then, seems already a bit easier, but still a long way to go
End Goal:
Control music playing on my Win 7 netbook with my Android phone in the car
(Ok that should probably have been my thread title, since there's probably other ways to achieve this without tcp/ip connection. Too late now)
Description/Details:
Netbook has Win 7 Thin PC (extra cut down version of Win 7)
Phone is Ideos X5 with Android 2.2
Ideally I'd like to use Foobar2000 to play music.
Netbook has Foobar 2000.
Phone has foobar2000 controller: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.cav.foobar2000controller
This works great at home, BUT.... requires a network connection between netbook/phone, as it sends commands via http
But when I'm in the car I have no fixed wifi connection.
Things I have tried:
- Creating adhoc wifi on netbook... Android can't see it
- Creating adhoc wifi on Android.... it just seems to share the phones network connection to the netbook. The phone can't make the foobar http connection with the laptop
- Creating bluetooth PAN. For some reason even though I could connect, I couldn't get the two to talk to each other. Maybe Android was just sharing it's internet connection again. Perhaps this is worth another try?
- Adding adhoc join support to Android... Unfortunately people in the Ideos X5 forum say this doesn't work on my phone
- Getting USBnet on Android to do tcp/ip over USB. Unfortunately my linux/android skills aren't good, and from what I could find out this either wasn't going to work on Android, or was too complicated for me
-Using http://www.connectify.me/ on the netbook... Unfortunately Win 7 Thin PC only supports .Net 4.0, and Connectify is pre 4.0. It could be an option to get another version of Win 7, but I want this to be last resort
Maybe I'm missing something really simple? A nice app available that will solve all my problems?
Help a noob out
Solved?
I know this is nearly a year old post, but did you solve your problem eventually?
Hello everyone. I am an enthusiast on custom software hacks on Android and various other platforms. I know this question has been asked, but read to the end first before you answer.
What if you didn't want to use your device's data connection to tether your computer because you have available wifi, but no wireless card on your computer?
Is it possible to use your phone as your computer's wifi receiver?
And finally, would it be possible to bring this solution to both PC's and Macs alike? I know a solution exists for windows, and I ask this because I have a "Mac" as my primary system.
Thank you in advance for any help and solutions this community can provide.
I'm sure this is possible software and hardware-wise, but why? Don't they have little USB->Wifi adapters for around $20 usd?
Well, yes. But the point is to make the most out of the available hardware.
Don't get me wrong; I will probably go out and buy an adapter soon anyways. My understanding is that OSX has built-in compatibility with most adapters already.