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I can understand how frustrating this must be for people who read this forum and are around to provide help to those who are new but I have a pretty large question..
I recently got an Inspire and I want to put the stock Gingerbread ROM on my phone. I am simply looking for the form factor of the Inspire with the software of the Nexus S.
I have spent countless hours searching throughout these forums for even part of an answer to my question and have done absolutely nothing but confused myself further.. I have jailbroken my iPhone, used home brew on my Pre and constantly switched to leaked firmwares on my Blackberries but what is required to get into my Inspire (on the open software company mind you) is on the verge of impossible for someone such as myself.
As I understand walking me through this process would be very difficult I am simply looking for an answer to my question of, Is it possible to load Gingerbread onto the Inspire at this time?
Thanks to anyone for any help in advance!
Just CM7 for now...
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Start Here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961406
Then go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=973683
Protip: Check out the Development threads. That's where all rooting/romming info is located.
You should check out this thread if you're looking for a CM7 ROM that more closely resembles the one on the Nexus S: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=918639
Now there are official Release Candidates of CM7 available - great!
But there are several things I don't like about them: It's not "Nexus S Android", it uses ADW-Launcher instead of Launcher2, it doesn't have Nexus S Live-Wallpaper and there is a keyboard-bug, which still makes the keyboard a little too small.
Because of this I will now repack CyanogenMod 7 Releases to perfectly fit my own requirements. From time to time I will upload one, so that anyone who likes can also use them.
The aim of this ROM is to look and feel like the original Nexus S ROM, but offering the enhanced functionality of CyanogenMod 7.
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Hey all,
Seeing that Sense 3.0 got ported to the Incredible got me thinking... what happened to the Sense port for Galaxy S?
(I'm not a dev, just wondering/spiking community interest)
Not going to happen. Or at least I doubt it. It would be cool. I'm running it on my inspire and would love it on my captivate
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Why would you want to?
IMHO, it goes like this:
CyanogenMod > Stock Android > TouchWiz > Sense > Moto/Sony/Etc
I'm not counting launchers here, because that's such a simple thing to change, but as far as all the other customizations go, that's how I see it.
CM7 is already being worked on quite fervently, and new Samsung versions keep rolling out, why spend all the time and effort to get one specific version working?
Developers probably realized it was easier to just buy an HTC device with their working GPS and lag-free file system. lol
Ok I am sure I am not the only one that watched the live release of the Galaxy Nexus and Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Being that the Sensation is the flagship device for HTC and that HTC is obligated to update their devices for 18 months. Not to mention that ICS is optimized for dual core devices, the Sensation will get a official update . The o.ly true question is when will the Sensation get this update. Now all of us here on XDA know we will probably get a unofficial update via a custom Android 4.0 ROM from Cyanogen Mod or another AOSP team.
So if anyone out there gets a update avaliable notification or finds a custom Android 4.0 ROM for the Sensation please post it here.
Today's date is Oct. 18 2011 let the count down begin.!
First 24
Oct. 19 2011
Ok it has been 24 hours now sense the start of the live Samsung and Google event yesterday, So lets review what has become available so far.
We have ICS wallpapers via XDA Member matd20012001.
We have the Roboto font via XDA Senior Member Thyrus.
We have a ICS System Dump and ICS Data Folder via XDA Recognized Developer JoelZ9614.
We have the System App dump of ICS via XDA TV Personality azrienoch. He find them on My Droid World forums via p3droid.
And we have the Android 4.0 Platform SDK via the Google Android developers.
First SDK port to the HTC G2 (It is booting but lots of bugs) and I beleive the very first port to any device via XDA Senior Member siulmagic. Also check out the ICS Porting guide by Siulmagic.
Now I may have missed something or need to add extra credits to sources so please let me know if so.
DAY 2
Oct. 20 2011
If I get more information on this I will post it here, but it seems that ICS will be a part of the AOSP. Check out the message on Google+, thanks to XDA Junior Member Psychoticus
Day 3
Oct. 21 2011
HTC says they will be releasing information in the coming weeks on what devices and when the devices will get an update. Thanks to XDA Senior Member tinky1 for the info.
Looks like ICS does support the soft key hardware buttons for older devices. Ckeck out what My Droid World forums member Beezy says about them. Engadget.com, sorry for being late adding this.
Still have support for the buttons,really google couldn't take that out then every phone mf would have to code them back in and updates would take years then.lol
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Day 4
Oct. 22 2011
Yet another statement from a Google saying that ICS will be part of the AOSP. This via XDA Senior Member stonew5082. But from the statement it appears we all will have to wait at least until the Galaxy Nexus is available, if not more devices, to the public as it says the the following.
We plan to release the source for the recently-announced Ice Cream Sandwich soon, once it’s available on devices
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Here is a video of a Nexus One running ICS. As you can see the on screen virtual buttons are not there, and the ROM is using the capacitive buttons. Video posted by XDA Senior Member DirkGently in the "ICS on phones with capacitive buttons", in the General forums of the General discussion forums.
Day 5
Oct.23 2011
Ok this was posted yesterday and I messed it, it is in the HTC HD2 Android development forum. This is info pretty much just for devs but still very useful, it was posted by XDA Senior Member vegaman. Also it seems the HTC HD2 is getting a little ICS love as there is also a booting alpha SDK port for the HTC HD2. Also for any devs or people that want to give it a try here is a place to download a Galaxy Nexus system dump, posted by XDA Seniort Member Proz00. I do not know if it is the same downloads I linked to in my "Fist 24" above or not but I thought it worth linking to. (Confirmed that is just a SDK system dump)
ICS has a Easter Egg too, check out the post by XDA Member Grimms in this thread.
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First, nice work
I discovered a little fun Easter egg, as in gingerbread and i believe in foryo. if you hit the android version in settings a number of times(5-10) you get a little artwork showing in this case a honeycomb bee. have fun
and to the dev/devs keep on the good work
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Day 6
Oct. 24 2011
I decided to see just how many devices have a bootable ICS SDK port. We know the HTC Nexus one, the Samsung Nexus S, Samsung Nexus S 4G, and the HTC HD2 have one it looks like the HTC G2/Desire Z, the HTC Desire, the HTC Droid Incredible, the HTC Desire HD, the HTC EVO Shift 4G, the HTC Droid Incredible 2,the Samsung Infuse 4G,and the XPERIA X10 all have a bootable SDK port. (Whoooo that was more work than i had counted on, glad I am done) I am not 100% sure about that last one booting but it is some real dev work going on on it. Now i know all of these are SDK ports and will never ever be able to be used as a daily driver. But this gives the devs a chance to get their feet wet with ICS and hopefully make it easier for the devs to make some true ASOP ROMs when the source code is released by Google. Thus this is why I went through and found each one, this whay the devs for the Sensation can have a central location to find all the threads on the ICS ports.
Day7
Oct. 24 2011
So I have been reading and this is what I have come up with. The Nexus One devs have got all of the following working, touch screen (no cursor anymore), phone calls (no audio though), wireless data, SMS, Wifi, and the proximity sensor.
The Nexus S port is booting but that is it really.
Beezy and the devs over at My Droid World forums are making god progress with the SDK port for the Nexus S 4G. They have they following working, touch screen, data (no 4G), SMS, MMS, WiFi, and USB (not sure if it is USB mass storage or just USB). It may be more but there is no real full run down of all that is working. You can go here to watch the video on the last version of the ROM. It appears to be stable enough to use as a daily driver, who would have thought. Here is a video of the great port.
I personally tested the port for the HD2 and to put it nice it boots up and that is it, I am sure that will change though.
The devs working on the HTC Desire have got the following working, touchscreen, SD card, and hardware buttons. Here is a video of it.
The HTC Droid Incredible port is pretty much the same as the the HTC HD2.
The HTC Desire HD port is booting but that is pretty much it.
The HTC Evo Shift 4G port has the the following working, phone (without audio), data, and orientation.
The HTC Droid Incredible 2 port is booting but that is it.
The Samsung Infuse 4G port is booting but that is it and the thread has been closed.
The XPERIA X10 port is booting and that is it too.
So as you can see only the Nexus devices are progressing right now with a usable port. I find that a little curious, what about you?
Day 9
Oct. 27 2011
Just for all of you that have not seen the story on the XDA Portal you might want to give it a good read. The story is on the Nexus One but I think it is worth reading as it shows that even though a device can clearly run the new Android 4.0.1 Ice Cream Sandwich, it does not necessary mean it will get the update. Google can you say, "This is our attempt to make you by a new device, and push the agenda of the OEMs." There is a link to the full original article in the story in the Portal.
It may be nothing, but I may have come across something very interesting. The Nexus S has a pretty good ICS port right now, but is it a port or is it a leaked early version of ICS made to run on the Nexus S for testing that has been modded? I will let you make that decision for yourself. Go here and have a read of post #93-#97. Also check out the quote in post #97 as it relates back to the Nexus One not getting a official update.
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I really can not believe I messed this as it was posted on the 19th. But then again the Galaxy Nexus forums are still very new and I have had no real reason to check them out. Anyway XDA Senior Member blunden gives a general explanation to why the ICS SDK dump and the ICS app dumps can not be deodexed with the current smali/baksmali will not work. But he says he got a working baksmali.jar. He also gives links to download deodexed framwork and deodexed apps. Go to here to check out the post.
Looks like Samsung (or Sammy as some call them) has made a official statement on their plans for updating their Galaxy devices. Thanks again to XDA Senior Member Tinky 1 for the info, the link is direct to the source. Hope you can use Google translate.
Day 12
Oct. 30 2011
Looks like we can add the Samsung Galaxy S to the list of devices with a SDK port that boots and is being developed. But it appears to be just booting up for right now.
Day 13
Nov. 1 20011
Well it is not looking good for everyone to get a speedy update to ICS that will get the official update to their device. Check out this article on what the OEMs are saying abot the official updates. Thanks to XDA Senior Member LPChris47
Day 17
Nov. 5 2011
It looks like there is a alleged dump from the Galaxy Nexus. Now this is suppose to be a early version and not the final release version of ICS. Me personally I am holding my opinion on what this is for right now as I have seen it and I am not convinced just yet. Oh yeah this was actually posted yesterday, but i just now got around to posting it here. Sorry I have been busy. Thanks to XDA Senior Member DroidRC1 and XDA Senior Member bonesy for the heads up.
Day 18
Nov. 6 2011
Engadget has posted a article on what devices they can confirm are going to get a official ICS upgrade. The Sensation is not listed under the HTC section as of now, but the article says"Keep checking back here from time to time, as we'll continue to update the list." So kepp a check there, I know I will. Thanks to XDA Senior Member leeskywalker for the heads up on the article.
Day 19Nov 7 2011
HTC Official announcment
It appears HTC has announced that the Sensation along with several other HTC devices will be getting an official ICS upgrade. They used Facebook as their platform to announce this information which really burns my butt cause I personally can not stand face book and despise it. Anyway this is great news as it confirms mine and several other peoples thoughts about the Sensation getting an official upgrade. But one down side of the announcement is that the update will be sometime in early 2012. Now to me early means with in the first 3 months, but to HTC it could mean with in the first 6 months. Thanks to XDA Senior Member illuminarias for posting the link here in the thread. Also thanks to XDA Senior Member austendale9 as it seems he had started a thread with the link a little before illuminarias posted the link here in this thread.
Day 26
Nov. 14 2011
Well even though it is just the Android 4.0.1 version that is on the Galaxy Nexus. Google has released the Source code for ICS today, They also released the previousely unreleased Honeycomb Source code too. Google says they really want people to focus on development for ICS though. And that source for more devices will be filming soon.
I'm just not sure what they'll do with our hardware buttons. It would suck to lose their functionality and have to lose screen real estate or the new on-screen buttons. hopefully there's a way to get rid of the new ones and have ICS use the hardware ones.
Other than that, safe to say a custom rom becomes available here before HTC gets around to releasing it.
geee uhmm i wonder why all the devs are so quiet? maybe a released sdk somewhere?
ak2728 said:
I'm just not sure what they'll do with our hardware buttons. It would suck to lose their functionality and have to lose screen real estate or the new on-screen buttons. hopefully there's a way to get rid of the new ones and have ICS use the hardware ones.
Other than that, safe to say a custom rom becomes available here before HTC gets around to releasing it.
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Yeah the thing about ICS using virtual compactive buttons does pose somewhat of a question if they will be in a ROM for the Sensation. Bit in my opinion and logical thinking on this is that they will make all updates for pre ICS devices use the existing soft keys and not vertual keys because if not that would leave the soft keys useless I highly doubt the OEMs will allow because it would make their devices look bad. Plus as you say it will take up screen real estate and that is not good. Plus I am not sure if the hardware soft keys can be done away with without causing some unwanted problems. So I say the existing hardware buttons will be used in ICS but we still might have to have the onscreen button to bring up the multitasking thumbnails as I don't know if you can make the search hardware button function for both buttons.
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geee uhmm i wonder why all the devs are so quiet? maybe a released sdk somewhere?
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Yrs the SDK is avaliable right now so you are probably right.
Customization mate! Even if 4.0 has built in buttons other phones besides sensation uses kapa buttons. Whereas google would have had to be shooting heroine through the pupil if the didn't took that in consideration.
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I have the ics sysytem app dump. Ill post a link in a bit
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HTC: We're reviewing Ice Cream Sandwich and determining our plans
HTC: We are excited about the latest update for Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, and are currently reviewing its features and functionality to determine our upgrade plans. Our goal for Android updates is to give every customer an improved user experience, which means balancing each phone's unique hardware, HTC Sense experience and the Android kernel. While our goal is to upgrade as many of our recent devices as possible, we are committed to maintaining every phone's performance and usability first. Please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans.
Via: Engadget.com
Not meaning to be the downer, but I'm pretty sure I can safely say you won't be seeing an ICS update from HTC for many, many months. And for CM9? I'm sure that will be a couple of months too.
Based on previous experiences with several phones.
I hope the CM port goes quicker and smoother the CM7.1, its so darn buggy
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I thought the SDK is only for app developers? We don't have the source yet do we?
Hey, you know that feeling in MMORPG's where you reach the highest level and all of a sudden the game isn't as fun anymore because you have nothing to work towards? And no matter how many more monsters you killed or quests you did, you would no longer level up because the EXP is wasted?
ICS is like extending that soft level cap so we can look forward to things in the future. Might not come today, might not come next week. Might not even be for another month or so. But it's something to look forward to. And I'm happy with that.
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I'm just not sure what they'll do with our hardware buttons. It would suck to lose their functionality and have to lose screen real estate or the new on-screen buttons. hopefully there's a way to get rid of the new ones and have ICS use the hardware ones.
Other than that, safe to say a custom rom becomes available here before HTC gets around to releasing it.
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My guess is we will be able to use the existing buttons on our phones. Home = home. Menu = multi tasking. Back = back... Just my guess
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Yea it'd be dumb if they didn't do anything, lol.
From what I've read ICS gives devs the option to do away with hardware buttons, so it won't be a problem. ICS can use either.
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I hope the CM port goes quicker and smoother the CM7.1, its so darn buggy
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CM is awesome, and ICS looks great, those two would be the best thing man ever programmed
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CM is awesome, and ICS looks great, those two would be the best thing man ever programmed
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Until jellybean + cm
Rellikzephyr
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Until jellybean + cm
Rellikzephyr
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Yeah Jellybean is suppose to have what has been labeled as "Game Changing Stuff" in it. And CM ROMe are already top notch ROMs so when the CM team finally get a hold of Jellybean it is truly no telling what will be the out come.
But we are really getting ahead of ourselfs here cause Jellybean has not been officially adopted as the name for the next Android version and ICS was just released last night and it is only at 4.0 right now so it is still plenty of room for more growth with ICS. Plus Google has said nothing yet about ICS being open sourced yet. So if Google does the same with ICS as they did with Honeycomb then we may never see a CM ICS ROM.
Im holding out for Jollyrancher...Itll make toast for you.
Matt
On Gizmodo there is a vote for what "J" will be called. I voted for Jeff Goldblum! LOL!
I hate sense. I hate it so much that I am ready to get rid of the phone even though overall it is a great phone. Who in their right mind thinks dragging a circle into a ring is intuitive? Most of my friends cant figure out how to anser my phone and they own other android phones. I have now had this phone for about 6 months. My previous phones were the Nexus One, which was awesome, and had i not dropped and broke the screen I would still be using that phone. T-mobile replaced it with a galaxy s which was a complete POS which led to this phone. I want to root my phone, and install ice cream sandwich (ICS), or at least native android but I do not want sense. Every thread I have found on here all seem to include the sense with ICS. Can someone point me to a ROM that will meet my needs?
To root: [Guide] to Installing S-off, Unlocking, ClockWork, Root, SuperCID & S-on
I'm currently running ARHD 4.1.9 with a no sense add on script.
This link here: [ROM] Android Revolution HD™ 5.0.2 XE | ICS | Sense 3.5 | High Quality & Performance
will direct you to the downloads for a good ICS rom install.
This link: ARHD No Sense Script
Is the add on you flash straight after you flash the rom to remove the sense script (don't reboot CWM or 4EXT flash straight after). It will give you standard android with Go Launcher EX.
It's good as a daily.
Soon enough, CM9 will be available if you're willing to wait. It's AOSP 4.0 and apparently it's progressing nicely. Now, I don't want to ask this, but why buy an HTC if you hate Sense? I know AOSP is out there, but there are better phones with AOSP (GNexus, for example). I mean, half of the Sensations have "WITH HTC SENSE" right on the battery housing.
I don't get it. HTC makes Sense, it's what differentiates HTC from others, why buy an HTC if you hate Sense?
Edit: I want to make it clear, I'm not trying to hate or be a condescending douche, I'm just trying to see a different perspective. I actually don't mind Sense, but it depends how it's done. None of the 3.5 roms run great for me, ARHD 3.x seems to be the only rom that does Sense right. Smooth and fast, lag free.
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Soon enough, CM9 will be available if you're willing to wait. It's AOSP 4.0 and apparently it's progressing nicely. Now, I don't want to ask this, but why buy an HTC if you hate Sense? I know AOSP is out there, but there are better phones with AOSP (GNexus, for example). I mean, half of the Sensations have "WITH HTC SENSE" right on the battery housing.
I don't get it. HTC makes Sense, it's what differentiates HTC from others, why buy an HTC if you hate Sense?
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Because they make great hardware? Because the Sensation is way better in terms of build quality, materials quality and weight balance than the Galaxy S II(which was the other phone I was considering). I've had several HTCs (Qtek 9100, HTC Diamond, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation) and they are all exceptionally well built.
The Diamond was the first phone where they started bundling some crappy "shell"(early version of Sense, but the name was different) on top of the Windows OS. It was really pointless for me, so I just disabled it(it was much easier back then - Settings > Today > Plugins, and you're ready ) After the Diamond I used an Nokia E51 for a while, and then bought the Desire... a nice phone indeed, but something was not right... After I downloaded and flashed CM6 for the first time I never went back to Sense again, Sense just looks ridiculous to me...
And when I bought the Sensation I used it for around 5 minutes with Sense, just to give it a try, but it was still the same $#!7.
So I, and a lot of other more advanced users, hate Sense. It is what differentiates HTC for the beginner and average user. For the advanced user the competitive advantage of HTC is their materials and build quality. And and HTC makes a great device to run CyanogenMod on(the best Android distro).
PS The Nexus S is a great phone, but I wanted the extra screen real estate and the dual-core CPU. The Galaxy Nexus is even better, but it wasn't available when I bought my Sensation. The HTC Nexus One was available when I bought my Desire, but it was 120 Euro more expensive, and I really dislike capacitive buttons(sadly, they seem to be the standard these days)
So this is basically why someone would buy HTC, and hate Sense
mafiabs said:
Because they make great hardware? Because the Sensation is way better in terms of build quality, materials quality and weight balance than the Galaxy S II(which was the other phone I was considering). I've had several HTCs (Qtek 9100, HTC Diamond, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation) and they are all exceptionally well built.
The Diamond was the first phone where they started bundling some crappy "shell"(early version of Sense, but the name was different) on top of the Windows OS. It was really pointless for me, so I just disabled it(it was much easier back then - Settings > Today > Plugins, and you're ready ) After the Diamond I used an Nokia E51 for a while, and then bought the Desire... a nice phone indeed, but something was not right... After I downloaded and flashed CM6 for the first time I never went back to Sense again, Sense just looks ridiculous to me...
And when I bought the Sensation I used it for around 5 minutes with Sense, just to give it a try, but it was still the same $#!7.
So I, and a lot of other more advanced users, hate Sense. It is what differentiates HTC for the beginner and average user. For the advanced user the competitive advantage of HTC is their materials and build quality. And and HTC makes a great device to run CyanogenMod on(the best Android distro).
PS The Nexus S is a great phone, but I wanted the extra screen real estate and the dual-core CPU. The Galaxy Nexus is even better, but it wasn't available when I bought my Sensation. The HTC Nexus One was available when I bought my Desire, but it was 120 Euro more expensive, and I really dislike capacitive buttons(sadly, they seem to be the standard these days)
So this is basically why someone would buy HTC, and hate Sense
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Sense 3.0 is the thing what made me buy HTC Sensation... believe me, even my wife bought a Xperia Arc "after" using my old Desire HD for a while... and she made me sell it at a loss after a weeks time...and got a Sensation XE...
If you hate Sense so much, go for SII ..... but i simply cannot live without Sense ... there is so much in it...
Why should I buy SII when I don't like the hardware? Crappy plastic, horribly light, otherwise a decent phone. I don't mind Sense being loaded when I buy the phone, as long as I can install whatever I want after that. After all I do realize that Sense is a major selling point for HTC. A lot of non-technical users love it, and there is nothing wrong with that. A lot of non-technical users also like Windows, and that's why the PC business is what it is today, but still I wouldn't use it even for a day
Also, when you say that there is so much in Sense you obviously haven't tried CyanogenMod... there are settings and customizations which I(and probably you also) didn't even suspected to exist, while using Sense...
Have a nice day, and use whatever makes more sense to you, after all that's why we use an open system
Not all HTC phones have Sense. I guess you miss my post about having a Nexus One? That is an HTC phone.. No sense, just native Android, and it was flawless. I had 4 samsung galaxys and they all had problems within 4 months and 1 of them lasted 2.5 months before it failed. So basically I had 1 fail after 2 months then every one after that had issues within a few days to a week of getting it in the mail. After reading the reviews of the galaxy nexus, i am not interested. Same cheap feel as the current and previous galaxy and they still have the same problems as the previous versions. I just read a thread about how tapping the galaxy nexus phone causes it to buzz/vibrate. I had the same problem with 2 of my galaxy phones, not to mention none of them worked with GPS even after installing the samsung "fix", and then resorting to changing the server settings ect.. Samsung makes great displays, too bad the only quality part is the screen. This phone was sent to me as a replacement to my galaxy so I really didnt buy it. Other than HTC, at this point there really is no alternative. In my opinion no other manufacturer makes a quality phone so that is why i choose HTC as a manufacturer. I also knew if I didnt like the phone, once rooting was available I could root it and install native android which is why I am here.
To everyone arguing why sense is good: Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.
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Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.
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woah! Sounds like you're going to pop a blood vessel! If you hate sense that much.. You can use the "no-sense" scripts which should do the job for the most part! You wouldn't have to deal with that stupid ring haha, try that. You lose most sense features (which isn't what you're looking for anyway) and it's still good! Some guys have developed roms that they just get rid of sense for. Check those out once you root your phone. I would advise not going for ICS yet or the roms with sense 3.5 until they're stable (That's just my opinion though) Sense 3.0 gives me 1day + of battery life and I'm not even being careful with it. Sense 3.5 gives about 18 hours with less usage and effs with my gps a bit. When you root it, my suggestion is sense 3.0 rom DE-SENSED and go from there!
The guy who posted right after you showed you what to do as well and that's for ICS
For answering the phone, u may either drag the answer call ball into the ring
or just simply drag the ring like unlocking the phone
Sense is HTC's biggest weapon
without sense, HTC may die decades ago
I guess that makes sense. I never really noticed their hardware was that much better, but sounds solid to me.
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woah! Sounds like you're going to pop a blood vessel! If you hate sense that much.. You can use the "no-sense" scripts which should do the job for the most part! You wouldn't have to deal with that stupid ring haha, try that. You lose most sense features (which isn't what you're looking for anyway) and it's still good! Some guys have developed roms that they just get rid of sense for. Check those out once you root your phone. I would advise not going for ICS yet or the roms with sense 3.5 until they're stable (That's just my opinion though) Sense 3.0 gives me 1day + of battery life and I'm not even being careful with it. Sense 3.5 gives about 18 hours with less usage and effs with my gps a bit. When you root it, my suggestion is sense 3.0 rom DE-SENSED and go from there!
The guy who posted right after you showed you what to do as well and that's for ICS
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No, not mad at all but Im sure you saw only 1 post was on topic, (the one you mentioned and the one below was kind of on topic) the others were people trying to explain why they like sense and basically telling me if I didnt like sense I should have bought a samsung. I have had this phone for 6 months, and gave it a chance (which was stated in the first post). I have used sense for 6 months and I still dont like it. I don't need other peoples opinion on why sense is good, or how their wife made them sell their phone. What does any of that have to do with me rooting my phone and installing ICS, or a rom without sense? None of those replies address the point of this thread. I want this thread to stay on track, not turn into a "I love sense" VS "I hate sense thread". I think its pretty obvious, that is the direction it was headed.
Thank you for the information. I will probably try simply removing sense from the phone first as you suggested. I dont need ICS, I just figured since I was going to root, ICS would be better. I also know ICS is coming soon with OTA. I might simply wait for that, then remove sense. I am assuming the script will work for the OTA since it works to remove sense 3.5 from the current rom floating around.
See how you get on with CM7. It's not ICS and development may have ceased in favour of CM9, but for me it's clean, fast and solid.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258543
holy crap thats a long thread... 500+ pages? WOW! Seems like a lot of people are using that. Thanks!!!
Everybody throws around the word intuitive. I like the way the lock ring works, and do find it intuitive to me. For others. Not so much. For those who have no desire to figure anything out for themselves, and would rather be told every move to make, then there is an entire company dedicated to doing just that. The name rymes with Snapple
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rumors are rumors. there was a thread or post somewhere stating that sense on ics will toned/slimmed down since ics already has most of the features. I believe sense 3.5 was added to ics so they can work out the bugs. Well only time will tell though. Lets just see when it gets release lol.
masondoctorjt said:
Everybody throws around the word intuitive. I like the way the lock ring works, and do find it intuitive to me. For others. Not so much. For those who have no desire to figure anything out for themselves, and would rather be told every move to make, then there is an entire company dedicated to doing just that. The name rymes with Snapple
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While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. But again I dont understand why this is becoming a "Why I like sense" thread...
The rings are not intuitive. It requires you be familiar with the phone (which by definition makes it not intuitive) and as much as I dislike the Iphone and apple products in general, I can pick up any Iphone no matter what generation and use it without issue, and I sure as heck dont have to "figure out" how to answer the phone when it rings. Same goes for any native android phone, but the vast majority of people who pick up my phone have to ask how to unlock it. Having a red decline button and a green answer button requiring them to be pulled into a ring is not intuitive. However, a green button that says answer and a red button that says decline that you press to perform the action stated on the button, I find intuitive. I have no problem answering the phone, or using the phone, but I have found certain things about sense I just dislike as a whole, especially after using native android on my nexus one. The lock/unlock ring, and answer buttons are just the tip of the iceberg. In my opinion, all android phones should have the option to use native android, or the manufacturers GUI and I hope Google implements that.
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To everyone arguing why sense is good: Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.
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Dude. Calm down. I don't particularly like Sense either, but it sure is pretty and fun to play around with for a bit.
The bad news is there's no real 'native' (I assume you mean AOSP) ICS out there yet. There's the 'Voldemort ROM' that we're not allowed to discuss or link to here, but it's not usable yet. If you're really desperate for ICS, you could try out Virtuous Inquisition from the development section. It's the Sense-ICS leak but it's had almost all of Sense stripped out. It's far far better than I was expecting it to be, but it's not without its bugs.
Your best bet would be to just install CyanogenMod 7 and wait for KMobs to release CM9 for us - when it's ready.
Edit: Hah! I didn't even see there was a second page!
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and happy new year in advance. I pray to God that our Sensation should get all the upgrades as early as possible like native ics.
I really want some ICS love! Anyone know any thing about any ROMs based off of ICS or.... even better.... CM9? I am new to this rooting thing so...
Wow. Just search through all the topics in the skyrocket forum and you'll find your answer
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This is like some kind of Platonic Ideal of a post here.
But, I'm pretty sure they're going to release ICS at the big Samsung/AT&T/Google event tomorrow.
Savitt said:
I really want some ICS love! Anyone know any thing about any ROMs based off of ICS or.... even better.... CM9? I am new to this rooting thing so...
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Before you ask a question, please search the forum first, therefore other members will not give you harsh answers.
If you are looking for answers to rooting your device, please go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383464
If you are searching for rom developments, please go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1383
If you are searching for information on Ice Cream Sandwich, best luck is to search google or in the general section. There is NO certain release date of when ICS will be available, but there are rumors and some information that states it will be in Q1 of 2012.
Good luck to you.
Please press "Thanks" if I have helped you in anyway.
What event? Do you have a link. ?
I think he's referring to the CES 2012 event on January 9th.
Oh thats not tomarrow lol tomarrow is the 5th . Darn i was hoping there was some att/sammy event tomarrow.
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I think he's referring to the CES 2012 event on January 9th.
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Indeed. That is the only upcoming event that I am aware of.
I wasn't...LOL. I can't afford to buy another phone. I just pre-ordered the Transformer Prime so I'm out of money...so my wife says.
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Oh thats not tomarrow lol tomarrow is the 5th . Darn i was hoping there was some att/sammy event tomarrow.
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Haha me too my friend l lol the hope jumped up through my body!
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No, I was being mean. There's not event tomorrow and ICS is but a distant dream. Enjoy your device now and don't sweat the OS version number. ICS is not going to give much more over what you have now.
I'm sort of with the OP in wanting to know about any rom based on ICS. I've searched the forums and google to no avail. I'm seeing other devices getting a version of CM9, but nothing for the Skyrocket yet.
So, my question is this: Is anyone working on an ICS rom for the Skyrocket such as CM9? If I had the know-how I'd be all over that since we have such a great and powerful phone. I know AT&T and Samsung will eventually release ICS, but it'll never compare to the likes of CyanogenMod.
No no ones working on it. Why make a hacked up version. Thats not very functional. When our update is just around the corner. We will see ics, and mabye cm9 but.not until theres a leak for the skyrocket or the actuall update.
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No no ones working on it. Why make a hacked up version. Thats not very functional. When our update is just around the corner. We will see ics, and mabye cm9 but.not until theres a leak for the skyrocket or the actuall update.
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Thanks. Like some others I'm an impatient type...especially after using ICS on my HTC Incredible. Can hardly wait to have it on my Skyrocket, but will sit quietly (maybe) and wait.
Not saying this to start a flamewar or anything but why are so many people with talent focusing on old roms and tweaks and not ICS? IMO this is what is hurting Android with better development etc, it seems like iOS hacking and tweeking seems to be more tight-knit and innovative, where Android seems to just have (almost) the same thing over and over again.
Now, I am not saying it is the same, there are obviously very difficult functions and programming that needs to be done, but I don't get why all efforts by everyone wouldn't be focused on ICS since it is what Android needs, a fresh new OS that could change the game.
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Not saying this to start a flamewar or anything but why are so many people with talent focusing on old roms and tweaks and not ICS? IMO this is what is hurting Android with better development etc, it seems like iOS hacking and tweeking seems to be more tight-knit and innovative, where Android seems to just have (almost) the same thing over and over again.
Now, I am not saying it is the same, there are obviously very difficult functions and programming that needs to be done, but I don't get why all efforts by everyone wouldn't be focused on ICS since it is what Android needs, a fresh new OS that could change the game.
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so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
samsung has not provided us with enough driver libraries/binary blobs that work properly with AOSP GB, let alone ICS.
the problem here is the manufacturers. they control the proprietary hardware/drivers we need to focus attention on something. we could hack something together, but it wouldnt be worth a crap, and by the time we got something working half decent, Official would be dropped on us with source and we would have to basically start fresh....
tl;dr: it is not worth the time it takes to try to hack something together until we have 'something' from samsung.
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so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
samsung has not provided us with enough driver libraries/binary blobs that work properly with AOSP GB, let alone ICS.
the problem here is the manufacturers. they control the proprietary hardware/drivers we need to focus attention on something. we could hack something together, but it wouldnt be worth a crap, and by the time we got something working half decent, Official would be dropped on us with source and we would have to basically start fresh....
tl;dr: it is not worth the time it takes to try to hack something together until we have 'something' from samsung.
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Exactly its not as simple as ics source code being out, you also need proper drivers for the hardware
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so you want us to randomly pull kernel source for ICS (linux kernel 3.0+) out of our ass?
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That answers a lot for me, like I said I am not too familiar coming from Iphone (day one, I just got a Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (Skyrocket))
So obviously you need the kernel to work with the OS, I didn't know they were not released.
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....you also need proper drivers for the hardware
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Is it harder for phone hardware? Seems to be a lot of open source, or scene made drivers for, say video cards.
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That answers a lot for me, like I said I am not too familiar coming from Iphone (day one, I just got a Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (Skyrocket))
So obviously you need the kernel to work with the OS, I didn't know they were not released.
So what exactly is open about Android then? If you are at the mercy of the manufacture's to release the kernel, how is that open?
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Android itself is OPEN. you can go and build your very own version of 4.0 ICS right now from source code. there are very few phones you can STABLY and RELIABLY run it on though.
The NEXUS line of phones exists for a reason. they are untouched by carriers (verizon teabagged the Galaxy Nexus a little), and do not have some stupid overlay on them. they are developer devices in that it is the first phone to get android updates straight from google (no manufacturer interference required).
every other phone is tainted with a manufacturer's UI. Touchwiz on Samsung phones (galaxy nexus is a samsung but they provided the hardware not the software), Sense on HTC, 'non-blur' on Motorola, whatever Sony calls theirs...lol, LG, etc
on top of that tainted Android interface is a carrier branding or lockdown (doesnt apply to the entire world, but im only referring to US here)
so google releases new version of Android
manufacturers build phone, and customize android to fit their model (this is where android almost stops being OPEN)
carriers get a hold of the manufacturers build of android and tweak and modify it themselves (more than likely they just tell the manufacturers what they want), as you know they love to include bloat and lock it down from the user
you receive your android phone after it has gone through all those steps....long process huh? we dont get updates to newer versions as quickly because of that long process...and they would rather us buy new phones instead of improving perfectly good hardware.
Android is open in the sense that manufacturers can use it however they wish, within reason. it is not necessarily meant to be 'open' to the average end user, and manufacturers dont want you messing with the phone they built. its the reason XDA is what it is today, albeit with roots deep in WinMo hacking.
Hey Pirateghost Really great in-depth info with your permission I would like to add this info for noobs here.
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Android itself is OPEN. you can go and build your very own version of 4.0 ICS right now from source code. there are very few phones you can STABLY and RELIABLY run it on though.
The NEXUS line of phones exists for a reason. they are untouched by carriers (verizon teabagged the Galaxy Nexus a little), and do not have some stupid overlay on them. they are developer devices in that it is the first phone to get android updates straight from google (no manufacturer interference required).
every other phone is tainted with a manufacturer's UI. Touchwiz on Samsung phones (galaxy nexus is a samsung but they provided the hardware not the software), Sense on HTC, 'non-blur' on Motorola, whatever Sony calls theirs...lol, LG, etc
on top of that tainted Android interface is a carrier branding or lockdown (doesnt apply to the entire world, but im only referring to US here)
so google releases new version of Android
manufacturers build phone, and customize android to fit their model (this is where android almost stops being OPEN)
carriers get a hold of the manufacturers build of android and tweak and modify it themselves (more than likely they just tell the manufacturers what they want), as you know they love to include bloat and lock it down from the user
you receive your android phone after it has gone through all those steps....long process huh? we dont get updates to newer versions as quickly because of that long process...and they would rather us buy new phones instead of improving perfectly good hardware.
Android is open in the sense that manufacturers can use it however they wish, within reason. it is not necessarily meant to be 'open' to the average end user, and manufacturers dont want you messing with the phone they built. its the reason XDA is what it is today, albeit with roots deep in WinMo hacking.
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