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Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
d0nkey said:
Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
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HEAR HEAR!!!!
I had to do a lot of reading to get my RC30 back to RC29, then reflash the recovery image, then reflash w/ the patched RC30. One topic had the recovery.img install and a whole other post had the patched RC30 install. There was no link to the USB driver for the G1 needed for ADB to communicate, I had to go find that on my own (not hard).
One problem I had was I couldn't execute the SU command in the ADB shell. It said that the command wasn't found - which is because I was still trying to put the recovery image on with RC30. I had to ADB put the file and then use the terminal on the phone to execute the shell commands needed to flash it. I don't know if that was a typo or if the directions were from RC19 where it might have had the SU command included but I couldn't do it from RC29.
Perhaps if someone were to put all the steps in the right order with links to the proper files all in one page - it would be simpler for people trying to do this. Of course there are two sides to this - too easy access to steps that can brick the phone can result in a huge increase of dead phones being sent in for warranty, too difficult a procedure can also result in the same thing with half finished installs.
All of the information is out there but there isn't a very clear path towards it. I don't know if making it easy for any idiot to do is a good thing at this point or not. The people who can't figure it out on their own probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place since there really isn't anything that "Joe I-Just-Upgraded-From-A-Sidekick" should be doing w/ root access at the moment.
I think this is the most well laid out version of the walk through we have. Unforutunately, no one has stickied it, and it falls like a brick. It should also be updated with the new instructions. If anyone has the time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443797&highlight=step
The very same problem with multiple posts is also screwing us Android Newbies. We dont know where to start. Searching is great, I am a big fan. But unfortunately we dont know WHAT to search FOR. This is a new process to us, and there isnt a Android for Dummies book yet. Once a GOOD turorial is made (I think this wiki covers it now)(edit, plus the link above looks great too!), this will die down. Until then, a lot of us have NO idea what order to do these steps in, and apparently we are asses for asking. Sorry we aint all smart n stuff, but we has to lern somehow
I will be following the Wiki that I posted above when I have some down time, until then I will crawl back in my WM equipped corner and STFU so as not to create unwanted posts.
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Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
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and to the bajillion differing instructions on how to root/devboot/jf 1.3
u got everyone telling you different things to do... my guess is when you had root there was one topic to do root. one option at a time. now the people who just got root obviously know to use the happynew.zip or the other 2 listed but after u got the ability to root i read about 4 other stickies on what to do next. blindly since people dont clarify i took the risk and did it how i wanted and got stuck in a boot loop. thank god common sense tells me that i should pull the battery and then put back in and vola booted up. then i loaded it into bootloader and then vola saw skate boards.
instead of insults you can take the time and spend it helping other people with your superior expertise hell i wasnt even half way through finishing my phone and took time to help out....
happy holidays.. to you as well
I have to agree that figuring out how to get root and the updated stuff is a little confusing. When modified RC 30 first came out, there was just 2 posts you could refer to and after reading it was fairly straight forward. Now those posts seem to have disapeared/modified.
I had to read 3 different topics and 3 different wikis before i kinda new what to do. the instructions being not very clear on where things should be done, terminal in linux or on the phone.
Im not here that often, but IMO the search is awefull, not returning search results for posts i know exist or bringing up tons of unrelevent information. and im not a newb to searching, im an active member over at a mycolgy forum and the search there is awesome and that site is based on the same type of forum as this.
that aside, this is an amazing forum. You all put in a **** load of effort to make things better for all of us. Im well impressed that its only taken 4 months.
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no, there were still tons of threads on how to do it.. in fact, it was probably WORSE when i was rooting my device.. since there was no structure to the postings at all.
I just took my time and read all the information available to me.. and it was very simple.
and for the record, im not even talking about the posts in the 'hax my phone' threads... im talking about the tons of old threads that all the new rooters are reading now that they have root and asking ridiculous questions that have been answered months ago.
and..
"All of the information is out there but there isn't a very clear path towards it. I don't know if making it easy for any idiot to do is a good thing at this point or not."
There is a good reason that the information is scattered all over the place. RETARDS CANT HIT THE SEARCH BUTTON! If they did a search for it, and read for a little bit before posting questions at random, the information wouldnt be scattered about.
If people dont have time to search and read about something that they are interested in doing, then they should just leave it alone.
let me also add, that it isn't always about the search button. It just about reading the threads all the way through, then asking questions. Because 99% of the time people's questions have already been asked.
So, if you are new to all this, just read all the posts and you shouldn't have to make a post yourself. ever.
"Bush and Cheney are hanging out in the oval office one day, and Mr. Bush picks up a paper and reads teh headline: 7 Brazillian men killed in latest attacks.
Bush cant believe what he is reading, he says "7 brazilian men killed [email protected]! We gotta get these sons of b!tch3s"
Then he turns to Cheney and says " How many is a brazilian? "
triple post ftw
d0nkey said:
Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
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Yeah lets not post on a forum... I hear ya about searching but alot of info on here is from one end to the other.. And isnt this a FORUM???? Who would want to post a question on a forum? Thats just CRAZY!!!
Yeah im bored. Just sick of all the dont post n00b questions....this isnt a forum post LOL
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It just about reading the threads all the way through, then asking questions
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If that is the case, then maybe the posters need to be more responsible with their posts. For example, instead of a new post Koush changed the topic to "How to get Root on ALL G1s - RC30 and RC8+ INCLUDED!! (Updated 1/1/2009)" which is great for the first post. Then, as you read the second you quickly figure out that this stuff is a month old and only the first post and the last page pertain. All it is doing is making things more confusing. A NEW post with the same heading, and a timelined group of questions that are RELEVANT to the topic would have made things MUCH less confusing. And these are the experts, so they can follow it and figure it out.
If someone had a map of the steps required to downgrade, as well as the steps to achieve a modded RC30 and it were made a sticky, that would likely end many of the questions. I cant speak for everyone, but I dont mind learning- but there is no structure to the method of "learning" you expect of us. Until there is, you will continue to see the questions.
I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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I agree with ya too BUT this is a VERY busy site. There is info on here for every phone out there. Soooo there is going to be alot of traffic and alot of people in a hurry to get a answer to there problem and nooo they arent going to use the search button. Its just something that has to be gotten used to. Going to be like this until this site closes.
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If that is the case, then maybe the posters need to be more responsible with their posts. For example, instead of a new post Koush changed the topic to "How to get Root on ALL G1s - RC30 and RC8+ INCLUDED!! (Updated 1/1/2009)" which is great for the first post. Then, as you read the second you quickly figure out that this stuff is a month old and only the first post and the last page pertain. All it is doing is making things more confusing. A NEW post with the same heading, and a timelined group of questions that are RELEVANT to the topic would have made things MUCH less confusing. And these are the experts, so they can follow it and figure it out.
If someone had a map of the steps required to downgrade, as well as the steps to achieve a modded RC30 and it were made a sticky, that would likely end many of the questions. I cant speak for everyone, but I dont mind learning- but there is no structure to the method of "learning" you expect of us. Until there is, you will continue to see the questions.
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exactly that u got 2 months or more on a topic that doesnt even apply and this carries over to the wing thread AND everyone else.... you see that little number next to each post here watch this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3113025&postcount=144 takes me to the exact thread and POST if i am referencing ANYTHING but no one seems to use it. so we sift through 300 posts to find outdated info then wonder why people get mad.... and both the searches on this post are not the best. i typed in adb in the build in search because i can exact it to the dream thread " SORRY No matches found" honestly now. we are smart but dont inidate us with a topic hashed to death with things 3 months old and expect everyone to not ask questions...
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I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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well stir the pot or not hopefully this calls attention to how PEOPLE in general post there things. it is not just the dream forums it was a habbit of the rom cooks in the wing as well as im sure many other posts.... like i said before if those editing or modifying threads to include new updates it would be helpful to say forinstance for those downgrading skip these steps and follow from post #87 or copy that little number 87# of that threat into it as a link. we do appricate everyones hard work but making it not so clear causes confusion. if you were unsure that you would brick your 400$ phone modifying it with out dated material would you?
First time poster.
Got to say, I've found it /really/ easy to get the answers to any problems I've stumbled into, the sticky posts are great, and any bodges have been my mistake not following the posts.
VERY impressive community.
i think you guys are right im one of the guys that just got root last night and i think people should search the forums and google b4 the start looking for easy way out
Some one tell me how to update to the picture attached without loosing my current root
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You have to have a pretty-much rock-stock ROM for this update to work. You could just install attn1's version of the stock ROM with this update already applied, then properly rooted and packaged for installation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058042
After installing, the update screen will show that you are up to date.
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Some one tell me how to update to the picture attached without loosing my current root
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Since Gene has graciously answered your question, may I remind you that this is one of the most common questions asked, over and over. Please do a little searching first.
Thanks!
See I don't won't to have to go back to stock or any of thst stuff why can't I just flash it in hboot
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See I don't won't to have to go back to stock or any of thst stuff why can't I just flash it in hboot
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That is how flash attn1 rom. I think you might have misunderstood. He meant that you could go back to stock stock and apply it. Because if your rooted it will fail to install OR. Apply attn1 rom.
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Attn1's ROM is flashed in hboot because it includes a radio. It is the ota update your phone is trying to get, but with root. He also has one in that same thread with sideloading enabled.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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its probably because to newer users, its a little intimidating to go thru many posts and threads, and they also know some info could be outdated. Maybe on the site, there should be an official, updated "how to" glossary or wiki.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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I'll tell you why....
Because the question was already answered for one thing.
It's also forum rules, and I've seen it mentioned by Mods a million times.
Community moderation...I let people know in the hopes of breaking a habit before it starts: posting a new thread for every single question that crosses their mind, and, eventually, expect to be given answers to everything, getting even more reluctant to do the "work" of finding answers and learning about their phones on their own.
Next thing you know, we're up to our necks in duplicate posts. Then, NOBODY will want to answer ANYTHING, because they have to wade through 4 tons of duplicate crap, and it ain't worth it.
How hard is it to Google "inspire OTA update root" ?
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I'll tell you why....
Because the question was already answered for one thing.
It's also forum rules, and I've seen it mentioned by Mods a million times.
Community moderation...I let people know in the hopes of breaking a habit before it starts: posting a new thread for every single question that crosses their mind, and, eventually, expect to be given answers to everything, getting even more reluctant to do the "work" of finding answers and learning about their phones on their own.
Next thing you know, we're up to our necks in duplicate posts. Then, NOBODY will want to answer ANYTHING, because they have to wade through 4 tons of duplicate crap, and it ain't worth it.
How hard is it to Google "inspire OTA update root" ?
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As to the last question: speaking for myself, I am tempted to just ask question, not because I can't effin search, but some of my questions, one has to weed through all manner of material on multiple threads, some pertinent, some not, since February to ascertain "the" answer. This is all well and good and maybe an exercise in disciple, like back in school or something, but maybe some of us just get impatient in an effort to save time. That said, I am fully on board with the forum rules, because da rules are da rules, and this is where one has to come for this sort of stuff :-D.
meiguoguizi said:
As to the last question: speaking for myself, I am tempted to just ask question, not because I can't effin search, but some of my questions, one has to weed through all manner of material on multiple threads, some pertinent, some not, since February to ascertain "the" answer. This is all well and good and maybe an exercise in disciple, like back in school or something, but maybe some of us just get impatient in an effort to save time. That said, I am fully on board with the forum rules, because da rules are da rules, and this is where one has to come for this sort of stuff :-D.
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Oh I agree. Everyone has questions, and everyone has opinions. There are often times wrong/incomplete answers to things, and both yes and no to the same question.
It's not necessarily easy to parse through and distill all of this stuff. But it can be done. I often times run across answers that go both ways, and that can be unsettling, especially if it involves potentially bricking a device if you get it wrong.
It's just a question of analysis, and I concede some people are more comfortable doing it than others. I guess I never expected to be handed all of the answers to basic questions.
I've always preferred searching over posting in asking a question, as it usually always provides the answer *quicker* than waiting for someone to post back an answer to the question.
Not to mention, if it turns out it was a much easier answer to find than first apparent, or that it was one's own oversight responsible for a problem that motivated the question, one can bypass getting antagonized by jerks like me.
I hear ya
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Oh I agree. Everyone has questions, and everyone has opinions. There are often times wrong/incomplete answers to things, and both yes and no to the same question.
It's not necessarily easy to parse through and distill all of this stuff. But it can be done. I often times run across answers that go both ways, and that can be unsettling, especially if it involves potentially bricking a device if you get it wrong.
It's just a question of analysis, and I concede some people are more comfortable doing it than others. I guess I never expected to be handed all of the answers to basic questions.
I've always preferred searching over posting in asking a question, as it usually always provides the answer *quicker* than waiting for someone to post back an answer to the question.
Not to mention, if it turns out it was a much easier answer to find than first apparent, or that it was one's own oversight responsible for a problem that motivated the question, one can bypass getting antagonized by jerks like me.
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Just presenting another side...because I can . One side of me just want's to get things done. Another side thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning the ins and outs of my beloved now rooted device by weeding through a community forum of all things...all good!
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Just presenting another side...because I can . One side of me just want's to get things done. Another side thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning the ins and outs of my beloved now rooted device by weeding through a community forum of all things...all good!
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Again, I agree. It really depends on the urgency of the situation. If your phone is boot-looping, it's understandable want to get the thing running again as quickly as possible.
Thank You
Scott_S said:
Again, I agree. It really depends on the urgency of the situation. If your phone is boot-looping, it's understandable want to get the thing running again as quickly as possible.
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Yes this. Exactly. 10 words.
Scott, why must you pretend to be GOD in these forums which you clearly aren't....if the guy wants to ask, let him ask...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways, so i would of done the same exact thing. don't like reading something that is redundant, then go grab the book War and Peace and entertain yourself. I am sure that by the time you are done with it, all items here would be OUTDATED and you will have no choice but to ask questions yourself, which is where i would answer you back with this:
"i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick."
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Scott, why must you pretend to be GOD in these forums which you clearly aren't....if the guy wants to ask, let him ask...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways, so i would of done the same exact thing. don't like reading something that is redundant, then go grab the book War and Peace and entertain yourself. I am sure that by the time you are done with it, all items here would be OUTDATED and you will have no choice but to ask questions yourself, which is where i would answer you back with this:
"i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick."
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I'm not pretending anything. Searching before posting is forum rules, often cited by mods. I happen to feel it's important enough to remind people, and I'm not the only one. It's called community moderation.
No, a lot of stuff does NOT get outdated. Some do, like radio flashing and not needing eng s-off, but others don't, or haven't yet and don't look like they're going to.
For example, rooting remains the same basic process as when it started. One of two methods are available, and likely there won't be any new ground-breaking discoveries, at least for a while. Maybe it will change in the future, but it hasn't yet.
Another example... Until someone makes ATT want to push their otas to rooted devices, the process by which to update one's rooted phone with those OTA updates will remain the same. Etc....
And Google works just fine, better than the built-in search function of many sites.
Saying "I can't search because search sux" is a cop-out, plain and simple.
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...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways...
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Umm, no. At least not on the full site. If you look right above the forum frames (up, up a little more, no down, yeah, there, on the right) you'll see the search you should be using. It searches recursively from wherever you are. Forum home? Searches the whole board. Inspire home? Searches the whole Inspire board. Inspire Dev? Yep, just the dev section. It goes clear down to searching within a thread. Hardly sucky.
I have been rooted for about a month now and have flashed several custom roms but am now back at the stock rooted rom desiring the latest at&t ota update. I read earlier in this thread that because I'm already rooted the update won't install. My question is can I just flash the attn1 rom even though I rooted my device using bubby's root method?
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I have been rooted for about a month now and have flashed several custom roms but am now back at the stock rooted rom desiring the latest at&t ota update. I read earlier in this thread that because I'm already rooted the update won't install. My question is can I just flash the attn1 rom even though I rooted my device using bubby's root method?
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It should work fine. All attn1's ROM needs is s-off. Bubby's give you that.
I'm not positive but I think att1 updated rooted stock rom w/sideloading is in the form of pd98img.zip file which u need to put on on your SD card but not in a folder. Then turn off fastboot in settings, power off your phone, then while holding down the vol down button push your power button. The phone should boot into hboot where it will search for the pd98img for a few seconds then ask you to update. Once it's done you can reboot & delete the file off your SD card cause it's around 300 or so mb. Once your all done with that you also might want to get the matching ril file for the new radio that's in the update which you can flash in cwr.
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Ok, it's pretty sad that the SGS4G forum has the issues that is does. I have another phone and have been in it's XDA forum as well, to see that people in there aren't as lazy and stupid as some are in this forum. They actually READ the OP, search for answers to their questions before posting them and when they cannot find the answers, then they post to the forum in the appropriate spots with logcat (if available) included! Amazing isn't it... This is why we have lost DEVs. STUPIDITY!
Did you know (and I speak form experience) that if you do not read and follow an OP on how to flash a ROM you could end up with:
1) A bricked phone (super hard bricked too... meaning, NON RECOVERABLE!)
2) A trashed sim card (yeah, I know it isn't that abd, but it is still a pain in the ass to call and deal with customer support to order a new one and then go to the store to pick it up or skip the call and go down to your service provider and pay up to 35 bucks for a new one... that can get pricey after just a few "I do what I want" flash mistakes.
3) A bad flash resulting in an unstable unusable ROM. And then when you decide to flash it correctly, you have lost that time...forever... Oh, and let's not forget the time and space you wasted on here asking the same question 300 other dummies already asked.
There are so many BAD possibilities that could result in not following directions. Didn't your momma teach you to follow directions? There was a reason for it! Plus, didn't your daddy teach you to help yourself first, and then when you had exhausted all options, ask for help?
Granted, I have made these same mistakes before. But I have learned. But there just seems to be SOOOOOOO many of you that just don't get it! To the point that I have actually seen some one ask the a question by quoting the post that contained the answer! That is purely STUPID!
Is this a flame? You damn right it is! But I am not only here to vent my frustrations out on you, but to help you.
Read the rules aka The Ten Commandments, they are simple and easy to follow (I will make a pictorial upon request):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
If you are Noob, which means you have never, or only done it once or twice, flashed a ROM, theme, etc, here is a great link for you to ask many of your questions:
Universal Question Solver
Now before you post in the DEV section assuming you have trolled and spam other forums, use this link to guide you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
Read the ENTIRE OP for christs sake!
After all that is done, like maybe 10-20 minutes of your time then post a thread IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION, or reply to a thread with your questions or issues WITH A LOGCAT! Oh, and it doesn't have to be the entire logcat, just the part that pertains to your issue. If you do not know how to read your logcat, you can always post it for free, after registering, here:
pastebin.com
Please guys, FOR THE LOVE OF OUR PHONES, lets try to lay nicely and by the rules...
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Ok, it's pretty sad that the SGS4G forum has the issues that is does. I have another phone and have been in it's XDA forum as well, to see that people in there aren't as lazy and stupid as some are in this forum. They actually READ the OP, search for answers to their questions before posting them and when they cannot find the answers, then they post to the forum in the appropriate spots with logcat (if available) included! Amazing isn't it... This is why we have lost DEVs. STUPIDITY!
Did you know (and I speak form experience) that if you do not read and follow an OP on how to flash a ROM you could end up with:
1) A bricked phone (super hard bricked too... meaning, NON RECOVERABLE!)
2) A trashed sim card (yeah, I know it isn't that abd, but it is still a pain in the ass to call and deal with customer support to order a new one and then go to the store to pick it up or skip the call and go down to your service provider and pay up to 35 bucks for a new one... that can get pricey after just a few "I do what I want" flash mistakes.
3) A bad flash resulting in an unstable unusable ROM. And then when you decide to flash it correctly, you have lost that time...forever... Oh, and let's not forget the time and space you wasted on here asking the same question 300 other dummies already asked.
There are so many BAD possibilities that could result in not following directions. Didn't your momma teach you to follow directions? There was a reason for it! Plus, didn't your daddy teach you to help yourself first, and then when you had exhausted all options, ask for help?
Granted, I have made these same mistakes before. But I have learned. But there just seems to be SOOOOOOO many of you that just don't get it! To the point that I have actually seen some one ask the a question by quoting the post that contained the answer! That is purely STUPID!
Is this a flame? You damn right it is! But I am not only here to vent my frustrations out on you, but to help you.
Read the rules aka The Ten Commandments, they are simple and easy to follow (I will make a pictorial upon request):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
If you are Noob, which means you have never, or only done it once or twice, flashed a ROM, theme, etc, here is a great link for you to ask many of your questions:
Universal Question Solver
Now before you post in the DEV section assuming you have trolled and spam other forums, use this link to guide you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
Read the ENTIRE OP for christs sake!
After all that is done, like maybe 10-20 minutes of your time then post a thread IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION, or reply to a thread with your questions or issues WITH A LOGCAT! Oh, and it doesn't have to be the entire logcat, just the part that pertains to your issue. If you do not know how to read your logcat, you can always post it for free, after registering, here:
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Please guys, FOR THE LOVE OF OUR PHONES, lets try to lay nicely and by the rules...
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Nice
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20030358
This has been my homework lately. I think it would help the community to read the same thing. Although it may not really matter. As the warden in Cool Hand Luke so eloquently said, "Some men you just can't reach." I'm also going to try and learn how to read the darn things so I can try to help out even further. But since I'm not terribly familiar with Linux commands it may take a little while.
Thread bump. And sorry dude but the world needs more bass
http://notreble.com
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Jules is it necessary to quote long post? Really?
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thomas
I here you. It's been done before. People just don't get it. Vent away though.
Jules
What lumin said. A simple nice would have sufficed.
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Thread bump. And sorry dude but the world needs more bass
http://notreble.com
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Thank you Bassmanjames... For being the prime example of the f**king jackasses that I am talking about. What the hell does a site about bass guitars adn crap have to do with anything I said. I am glad I put this up... We shall call this training for dumbies like you!
And to give you and the rest of your clan a little insight... I use to be totally against the flame... But now I see why it happens... Go troll on crackberry or something...
Jules
I trully believe you have good intentions and you want to become this phone dev, but you write too much, quote too much and generally flud all the threads.
I don't think it helps you on the long run. If you want to be a dev - read, search, then read and search and if you really have to, post a private message, otherwise you seem like a noob calling yourself a dev in progress.
Read the 'how to decompile an apk' in the modding forum and all the 'how to make a custom ROM' general forum threads, download root explorer for the trial and error and notepad++ for the updater script and make a productive contribution to the community.
Good luck.
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Just want to throw out there that as bad as this forum may seem, its a hella lot better than some.
I got so sick of the g2x forums I flamed someone (which I make a point to avoid doing) and came back to this phone! (course the main reason is cause this is just a superior device in every way)
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SMH. This is what gives XDA a bad name.
+1 Thomas
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well you sure do have a point - 10x for that.
Hopefully people will read and internalize it.
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Thank you Bassmanjames... For being the prime example of the f**king jackasses that I am talking about. What the hell does a site about bass guitars adn crap have to do with anything I said. I am glad I put this up... We shall call this training for dumbies like you!
And to give you and the rest of your clan a little insight... I use to be totally against the flame... But now I see why it happens... Go troll on crackberry or something...
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LOL glad i could help. Your welcome everyone needs to vent once in a while. I have already participated in many general threads about this topic and in accordance with the rules why did you start another? It is sad that the general populous can't search or feels so entitled they don't think they should have to; but, such is life sir, as you can see.
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The forum is a great tool...
but posting in the wrong forum can ruin it :-(
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Lol nice there thomas. Also, I agree about quoting long posts. I use to cut them just to let the people know what I'm answering or just mention @username and write. Also, no need for signatures or wether you are sending the post from xda premium or free or whatever phone.
In my opinion, this forum sucks because of little moderation by those who can. Threads and posts need to be deleted every now and then. I have made a ticket with xda regarding this but they told me to use the report button... bah. We all have to admit than sometimes threads get to the 1000's post and its difficult to keep track of every post so one has to ask same question because of the useless crap posted and I understand doesn't have an option.
Anyway, if I got to be a noob or a disturbing person... sorry, not my intention as I use to read more than post. If I flamed you... well you probably deserved it and I'm not sorry. I hope this forum gets some massive clean up one day and to see everything organized.
At the end of the day a forum is used to post... and people will post what they want even if its crap like what I just wrote in this post. Lol
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At the end of the day a forum is used to post... and people will post what they want even if its crap like what I just wrote in this post. Lol
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+1000 man!
Take note how I cut down the quote peeps. I left just the meat and potatoes... In the army, we have what is called the K.I.S.S. method...
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
I still think that this forum needs more Operatives or Moderator watching out for the forum...
too bad there is only one
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Also, no need for signatures or wether you are sending the post from xda premium or free or whatever phone.
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It just keeps piling on, pretty soon someone will say there's no need for posting actual posts.
BTW, if you're going to suggest there's no need for signatures, please remove yours
Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but I think some of this is getting out of hand, one extreme to another. From little policing, by those that should, to over policing by those who re self-appointed, Vigilante's as it were.
There are moderators, there are tools to be used for reporting specific threads or posts in case they are overlooked.
Use those tools enough and the PTB's will start paying more attention to this forum maybe, and keeping it a bit more cleaned up.
Our mod seems to have a lot of other forums to police as well... so maybe we can end up with one who has more time to keep an eye on this place.
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It just keeps piling on, pretty soon someone will say there's no need for posting actual posts.
BTW, if you're going to suggest there's no need for signatures, please remove yours
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I mean the signature from the phone "Sent from T959 using Xda..." you know... not the one here. My bad.
Anyway I stated that people can and will post whatever they want, either be a good post or one ready to get flame. I was just saying my opinion. No offense intended.
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I mean the signature from the phone "Sent from T959 using Xda..." you know... not the one here. My bad.
Anyway I stated that people can and will post whatever they want, either be a good post or one ready to get flame. I was just saying my opinion. No offense intended.
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None taken, it's extremely hard to offend me anyway.
The XDA app and Tapatalk both add that little signature line by default. It's a single line and takes up less space than most other signatures (my own included, although I did drop my graphic at least)
And yea, people will be people, no matter what the rest of us say or do we're going to continue to see peeps that don't bother to search, they just want someone to spoonfeed them.
They are the same people who, after reading app and/or rom descriptions install/flash and then complain it's not what they expected, and they want this/that/or the other added to it, or removed from it, and they want it now.
Mostly this is because the whole world revolves around them, and these devs are here solely to provide them with everything, for free, without complaint, in a timely manner (timely being instantly!)
No matter how many posts are made referencing the proper way to do things, these same people will ignore them, because they know that the rules don't apply to them, those rules are for the 'other people', the ones the world doesn't revolve around.
So I use my own rules in regards to those wonderful folks. I flag/report the trolls, point out threads that need removed, help those that seem truly lost, yet not demanding, point others to the door.
The mods do respond, usually pretty quickly, to reported threads and posts. They just seem to stealth in and handle it.
I made use of it last night for a thread, when I got up this morning, the thread was gone.
Listen Up!! Not to sound rude but to all the noobs out there in the Atrix 2 forum PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read the forums before posting!! We have had at least 10 different threads started by noobs to answer the same question. Please before you post use the search function or take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1396650
If you still have a relevant question then try to find a thread that relates to you problem and then post it there. Once you have searched and looked at the noob guide, and haven't found ANYTHING that relates, then you may post a new thread.
Thank you for your time!
Also, Please just do a search even before posting in any thread. ONLY POST IF YOU CAN NOT FIND ANYTHING CLOSE ENOUGH TO FIX YOUR ISSUE. Most likely someone has seen your issue in here, we have seen things like the 2.3.6 update for over 2 months in here, from using cheesecake, and trust me, someone has already done it, or borked their phone in a similar way as you have.
I really don't want to see any more demands from people who messed up their phone and are demanding support. Remember YOU are the one that decided to hit that update button, or make that change on your phone, none of us forced you to do so.
I will ONLY tell everyone this, one time, just like lfaber06, I have had people demand things either in posts or PMs. The first time you make a demand from me is the last time I will ever read anything you post ever again, and good luck getting help from me after that.
Remember myself and lfaber06, and others here too, do these things in our free time, and do this at no cost to everyone here, and there are a ton of people in here as well, that most likely do similar things in their job, so, remember this, when you actually ask for help.
Although I agree with all you say, I think is better to spend time into actually developing android rather than persecuting n00bs,
XDA DEvelopers still remains about developers..
Thread closed.
Firstly i'll admit this may come off as a rant, but i will be making some valid points that i believe need to be addressed
Secondly, i really don't care if anybody finds this offensive because well points need to be made and sometimes they have to be bluntly made.
Thirdly, i'm sure many of you will agree with me on these points.
Fourthly, @Mods i understand this may come off a bit harsh to some people but again things need to be said.
Finally, please enjoy this read
Well here's the story of how i ended up writing this thread, ever since the Galaxy S3 came out many of you probably noticed that i was constantly helping people every single day, basically answering the same questions day in and day out. For a while i was fine with that, but the past few months i've almost ceased posting entirely, why you ask? Because answering the same questions everyday when their are plenty of stickies, and plenty of threads already asking those exact questions just got tiring and frustrating. Its very simple to search the forums as well as google, and to post a thread asking about a problem that can be answered by simply looking 1 to 5 threads down is just laziness and not needed. I understand people want answers quickly, but sometimes where you post these issues becomes an issue as well.
Issues #1: READ THE ORIGINAL POST (OP)
Example A: Bajee11 brought rootbox to our phones, and now he's closed his thread. Why? Because people couldn't just read the original post and keep non-development talk out of his thread.
Thread can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134052
If you read his original post right below the downloads section is a Non-development | Discussion | Support banner in big bold letters with a link to where non-development talk should be discussed, simple enough to read and understand. Its not hidden away at all, so their should be no reason why somebody can't see it.
What happened? Somebody flashed the i9300 (european) rom onto their i535 (verizon) phone. And essentially bricked the phone (wouldn't boot up) and that user posted about it asking for support. (ALL posts in their have since been removed so i can't show them to you but please take my word for it)
At this point, support should not be asked in the developers thread when he's stated not to post non development stuff in his thread.
But that's now what happened, people started helping him which is nice to do, but again in the wrong place. And posts continued which clogged up the thread and made things more difficult. Eventually the developer asked that it be stopped and taken somewhere else so that his thread wasn't clogged up with that junk, and this is what happened.
Originally Posted by Internet Guy
Don't be a ****. This forum is here to not only provide Roms and various tools for android users, but also to provide help when needed.
Take a chill pill, friend.
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Bajee11: Dude, this is my thread so I expect the rules to be followed. I have over 20 threads to maintain and I don't want to come back here for every single post when it's not development related. You guys have no clue how hard it is to track bugs when users don't follow any rules and specially when you got several devices to maintain. Not only do you not know what a development thread is, you even take on me for pointing out this not the right place for bricked phone discussion? This is why XDA has different sections for these kind of things and users like you should learn that. Anyways, closing thread.
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Somebody goes and decides to challenge him instead of being respectful and taking NON ROM DEVELOPMENT talk somewhere else, it could've easily been dealt with in PM's, or searching the forum, or help me god making yet another thread about it.
This user that had an issue could've solved his problem by simply looking at this sticky thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079399
Why is this a problem?
Well quite frankly the people that were using the Rootbox rom now have to sit, wait and wonder whether support will continue for D2VZW or if they should move on, just because some people couldn't read the OP and follow the simple requests, and had to feel the need to then challenge the OP instead of just respecting him.
Oh but that only applies to one rom my rom is fine
Have you ever tried to figure what bugs are in a rom only to be forced to read a million posts that aren't related to that rom at all but instead somebody doing something stupid resulting in user error not rom error? I know i have, its so frustrating to have to skim through 20 pages when in reality if people could keep things where they belong we wouldn't have that issue. Once you flash something that's not stock on the rom, ANY BUGS that occur are not the roms fault, because their is no way of knowing whether whatever you flashed caused it or not.
Flash a different kernel, then have x,y,z errors? Post in the KERNEL thread about it, i guarantee you'll get more kernel support their than in the Rom thread. You could make a simple post in the Rom thread and say "hey guys i flashed X kernel and now Y isn't working, just letting others know" Bam end of story, its simple, alerts other users and keeps thing clean.
Okay so that's one post but i see a million of them, okay well lets say User A posts that, then users B-Y post irrelevant nonsense then user Z posts the same thing as A, that's why you see it a bunch. Because B-Y or a combination had irrelevant information in their posts.
Solutions:
Option 1: I realize this is hard but please people have some respect and self control and keep posts where they are relevant. Or maybe the mod's should just start warning/giving infractions to people that can't obey the rules and have some damn respect when a developer asks you to please take business somewhere else.
Option 2: Instead of cluttering up the development thread, go make some thread in Q/A even though that'll go against my second issue it'll be better than clogging up relevant rom information/development, that users want to see. I'm sorry but if you brick your phone flashing something that's not meant for your phone that your own damn fault for not reading what you're download and flashing.
Option 3: If you can't read the OP then you shouldn't be rooting your phone. Honestly folks its not hard to read the OP, its their for a reason, not for you to skip down to the downloads link, flash the rom, and then say "X and Y are missing" when in the OP it clearly states they aren't there. And what do you know that's one more useless post.
Time for me to take a breath...
Issue #2: Not using the search function
I realize this may be hard for people to understand but its their for a reason, not to just look pretty. Its sole purpose is to try and keep things clean and help users to find helpful information. How many of you use google search everyday? i know i do, probably over 100 times a day and its very helpful, so i KNOW that you other users have used a search engine before, so why not use the one on XDA? Its not rocket science and its got plenty of options to help you narrow stuff down.
Hell even before you post a thread, it'll automatically search for relevant threads related to your title.
Notice: When you enter a thread title the system will search for similar threads which have already been posted. That should help you to find answers.
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Now tell me are you blind, or do you choose to ignore it? I'm guessing its the second one. Or maybe people are too lazy to just read the titles of threads, i guarantee you whatever issue you are having somebody else has had and already got an answer for it. Obviously we can't force people to use it, but please people, google is your friend, the search bar is your friend.
Solutions:
Option 1: Up the post requirement for development sections, i know i know this probably will be hated but its clear that it's needed. People still can't seem to just get it right anymore. Maybe if they have to spend a little more time actually using the forum they'll actually start to realize all these helpful things around them.
Option 2: Can we just start banning people? haha i kid i kid. But seriously, can we give Rom developers the right to edit posts in their respective threads, so if they deem something as pointless, then bam deleted
At this point i'm out of breath and tired from staring at the screen.
But i'll leave with this 99% of errors are user errors not rom errors. Yes that's right i'm blaming the users, because hey its your fault for messing something up. I flash rom's everyday and yet i don't have these crazy errors that others have, but hey i'm flashing stuff that's meant for my phone People really need to stop being dumb and start reading the OP it contains so much information, i swear some of you will flashing anything even if in the OP it states "THIS WILL DESTROY YOUR PHONE" and guess what, you'll flash it anyways because you're too lazy to take ONE minute to read it. You could read while making your nandroid backup, oh hey that's a great idea And when you have an issue, just use the search function.
I understand we were all noobs at once, but still... like i said, most issues are user error.
TLTR:
-Please read OP's
-Please use the search bar
-Please post issues in their respective threads
-Please don't post irrelevant nonsense in development threads, that's not the place for it.
-Please if you flash anything not stock with the rom, don't blame the rom.
-Please post rom issues in rom threads, and kernel issues in kernel threads.
-Please if you do something stupid, keep it out of the rom/kernel thread.
-Please read stickies, they contain more information than your heart desires and will help you in the long run.
-Please try and understand where i am coming from
Oh and again, i don't care if i offended some of you.
-NeverEndingXsin
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Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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On accident. I'm so used to replying with a quote that I forgot not to.
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bobAbooE said:
Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
Neverendingxsin said:
The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
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Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Obaterista93 said:
Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Its a damn shame things go down like that. But i can't blame the developers for getting sick of it. People expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter, but that's not how life is.
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
PureMotive said:
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
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Thanks As a user myself i find it hard enough to deal with, as a developer i imagine its a whole lot worse. Just trying to make things a bit easier for you guys!
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
luis86dr said:
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
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I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
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I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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Keyword: "If" i doubt that would ever happen
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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llama555 said:
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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Not even that they won't find the thread, but they'll just skip over it. And then anyone that actually opens the thread most likely won't bother to read this OP either...
That's the truth
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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Shouldn't be necessary in the first place. My entire point is that people should be reading OPs and showing respect for them.