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[Q] Is a dual-core Windows Phone coming this year?

I thought one of the main disadvantages of WP7 has been inferior hardware.
For the original release Microsoft only supported the old snapdragon CPU with 1Ghz and Adreno 200.
Now for Mango, they did obviously update their support
for 8X55 and 7X30.
None of those are actually dualcore SoC's.
How are they going to keep up with Android if they continue offering inferior hardware specs? Or did I miss something?

I wish they do relase one which does. but they dont need dual core for the os so why burden the battery

"inferior hardware"
wow really?
dude, 1ghz, on a phone, thats everything else but inferior
it may be the truth that andoid is goin to need dual cores to give users a good looking and fluid experience, but windows phone is not.
no matter what handset you get, its working faaaast. no lags, no hickups, almost no loading times (and with mango its getting better)
so why would windows phone need it ?

However I would really like to have dual core phone,jut like to think that I have one of the fastest phones. But its true windows os is so smooth it wont make a perfermonce differnece, only thing that can help is using NAND memory instead of SD. Howver I want a better GPU so we can play faster games with good FPS and better quality, not saying that the quality is poor atm its great but it can always improve.

webwalk® said:
"inferior hardware"
wow really?
dude, 1ghz, on a phone, thats everything else but inferior
it may be the truth that andoid is goin to need dual cores to give users a good looking and fluid experience, but windows phone is not.
no matter what handset you get, its working faaaast. no lags, no hickups, almost no loading times (and with mango its getting better)
so why would windows phone need it ?
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the problem is it's not about "why would WP need it".
The average consumer, who is used to buying PCs based on their specs, will look at an Android phone and a WP and compare them. If they don't know the difference between the two OS then they'll be looking at the specs.
What do you think they're going to choose..?

Casey_boy said:
I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the problem is it's not about "why would WP need it".
The average consumer, who is used to buying PCs based on their specs, will look at an Android phone and a WP and compare them. If they don't know the difference between the two OS then they'll be looking at the specs.
What do you think they're going to choose..?
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to be frank, the average customer knows a superficial knowledge of cell phones...and many still market dumb phones as the approach for all user needs. Nokia has addressed the h/w issues ad nauseum, so it wouldn't surprise me if Nokia would be the first wp7 with a dual core. In fact, I would love to grab a Nokia phone...

i thought of your point too
its true the specs are taken in consideration
but currently im not aware of any device that stand out..
i think the average people would think
2x cores = 2x power needed = half the battery
battery is a major aspect
so still, why build a dual core if nothing is using it, besides the battery
like i said, android may be able to to make their os fast & fluid
but why cant they do it on the current specs
you simply dont need heavy processin unit on your mobile device, as long as you wont do heavy processin on the device. the phone wont need it, but the tablet does.
the average user is used to windows
the average user uses the phone for not much more then phone, text, surf, game.
last but not least, the price, i dont know much about dual core phones (do they already exists?) but double the cores, may raise the price by a lot.
this year we wont need no dual cores....

To be honest, I never really felt the need of such a powerful processor in a phone. What can you use it for apart from games with high graphics?
I'm sure opening office docs, web pages, utility apps, music...everything at once still won't slow down the processes. It's a phone guys. Not a desktop PC.
Many years ago, I had a 1.2 GHz CPU running windows XP, which in fact ran heavy programs without any lag. And today, our phones have 1GHz CPU running a phone OS and apps that hardly go above 50mb.
What's the need, seriously?

I don't care about dual core yet, but would like to see some higher end devices. All first gen releases were very generic.
Newer Gen CPU/GPU (dual core not necessary till things are coded for it)
High Quality Material/build
32GB or 64GB Internal ROM
Super AMOLED/next gen if avail
512MB RAM
Good Battery
Good Quality Optics (iPhone4 or better (like Nokia N8))
Thats all I want. Maybe a FFC just for ****s n' giggles, but thats not high on my priority list.

[email protected] said:
Now for Mango, they did obviously update their support
for 8X55 and 7X30.
None of those are actually dualcore SoC's.
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Well just like you said they have added support for new processors but neither of the new ones are dual core. We've heard rumors that ST-Ericsson will be supplying dual core chips for Nokia's Windows Phones but for now Qualcomm says they're the only WP7 manufacturer.
I don't doubt Windows Phone will see dual core support in the future. I have a feeling that Nokia won't be launching their Windows Phone alongside the others in September/October, but later in November or even December. That's when I think we'll see the first dual core Windows Phone. (Just speculation. No evidence for this.)

dtboos said:
I don't care about dual core yet, but would like to see some higher end devices. All first gen releases were very generic.
Newer Gen CPU/GPU (dual core not necessary till things are coded for it)
High Quality Material/build
32GB or 64GB Internal ROM
Super AMOLED/next gen if avail
512MB RAM
Good Battery
Good Quality Optics (iPhone4 or better (like Nokia N8))
Thats all I want. Maybe a FFC just for ****s n' giggles, but thats not high on my priority list.
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Well you just described Nokia N9 except for the screen ... only Sammy can put Super-AMOLED and the RAM is 768MB
PS. I though someone from Microsoft or Nokia I can't recall said that WP7 is already dual-core ready, so maybe it doesn't need new coding or I'm terribly wrong

kainy said:
Well you just described Nokia N9 except for the screen ... only Sammy can put Super-AMOLED and the RAM is 768MB
PS. I though someone from Microsoft or Nokia I can't recall said that WP7 is already dual-core ready, so maybe it doesn't need new coding or I'm terribly wrong
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Aye Why I know the phone I want is easily within reach. That would be more than powerful enough for the next couple years. This is also why I was excited about the Nokia deal because they have some excellent quality hardware & optics in some of their phones.

Android needs dual-core because the OS is so cluttered and filled with junk. WP7 phone have "inferior hardware" yet still run smoother than any Android phone would.

yea it should b strong

dual core phones worth it ??

hey guys,
i just wanted to ask if its worth buying a dual core phone right now .. since no apps that are out now, really make use of the dual core processor.
i was thinking of buying either the SAMSUNG GALAXY R or the SONY ERICSSON XPERIA NEO V ..
so i was wondering if i really need the galaxy R (1GHZ dual core and 1GB of RAM).. or should i just stick to neo V(1GHZ single core and 512MB ram) as i'd be saving about a 60$.. other than that both phones are very similar .. i.e both are getting ICS .. both a 5MP camera.. etc..
please give me your suggestions as i just cant make up my mind !!
GALAXY R or NEO V ??

I think it really depends. I think Android ICS for example could handle the dual core chips a bit better than Gingerbread, but OEMS do try to customize the OS so it can handle resources as needed. All it does really is to speed up multitasking and other resource intensive apps. My biggest concern is how much more bloatware the OEMs and wireless carriers put onto the device, thus making it buggy and slower than it should. So in the end it wouldn't matter if u had a dual core or single core, 512 or 1GB RAM, it would depend how buggy you want the phone to be. It may not be buggy out of the box, but once u begin using it in the real world (downloading apps, making calls while surfing the web, playing games, etc) it could begin to run a bit slower.
Personally, I don't really think a dual core chip is needed if the OS is streamlined enough where it can handle and allocate resources when it needs them. With the combination of dual core chips, 4G HSPA+ and LTE, i would argue that you would be sacrificing some battery life.
If you are going with Android, i would say to spring for the dual core chipset since it seems thats where software is headed. As a WP7 user, it doesn't bother me using a single core chip. The OS runs very fluid and it can intelligently manage its resources. I trust ICS will manage resources as needed too.
As far as RAM, it is always good to have more RAM in the device. If you go with the phone with beefier specs then u know that it will last you longer as far as support for the device, updates, etc.
Hope u r not bothered by me being a WP7 user and giving u advice for Android. I do have an Android tablet that i do use from time to time. It has a sinlge core chipset and it does run fairly smooth, for an Android device that is. My friend has a MyTouch 4G and it runs fairly smooth, but at times i notice it lags.
I would say to play around with them in the store and compare the two side by side.

I would hold off until after the MWC where everyone will be showing the new quad core phones that will become the standard.

@TKETZ196
thanks a lot that kinda did clear a few things..
so i'm starting to lean towards the dual core phone.. guess there's no arguing its more future proof..

insane91 said:
@TKETZ196
thanks a lot that kinda did clear a few things..
so i'm starting to lean towards the dual core phone.. guess there's no arguing its more future proof..
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Its not really future proof with quadcore phones coming out. Once they do we will all be in the same boat we are in now. Apps and OS updates will be tailored for the quadcore instead of the dual core.

ok but they do stand a better chance compared to the single core ones right ! i'm looking at a phone that should last me another year and a half atleast.
given the choices that i have in the mid range budget i want to know if the GALAXY R is a good candidate to place my money on.. given that its one of the very few nice dual core phone in the price bracket other than optimus 2x.

insane91 said:
ok but they do stand a better chance compared to the single core ones right ! i'm looking at a phone that should last me another year and a half atleast.
given the choices that i have in the mid range budget i want to know if the GALAXY R is a good candidate to place my money on.. given that its one of the very few nice dual core phone in the price bracket other than optimus 2x.
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Will they last. Oh of course. Just like the single core does now. It still works and you can still get apps for it. Will it be upgradable to newer OSs maybe maybe not. Can't know for sure. Only Google knows that for sure. If upgrades are what you are worried about then get a nexus as it will get them for sure. Anything else is up to the carriers or running a custom rom. I am waiting for a quadxore myself this way I know I would t have to worry about to many hardware restrictions. But all in all do some research before making a choice. Mainly keep an eye on MWC. Remember phones are already outdated by the time we get them and the next Gen are already being worked on.

Dual-Core is imo just Marketing. Nobody needs the power in normal use of the phone. If you play games this will be different, but at least playing games on 4" Devices isn't the funniest thing.
Tablets with Dual-Core and Quad-Core SoC's are the future, and to be state of the Art Dual-Core Smartphone SoC's will be Standard 2012.

phuxus said:
Dual-Core is imo just Marketing. Nobody needs the power in normal use of the phone. If you play games this will be different, but at least playing games on 4" Devices isn't the funniest thing.
Tablets with Dual-Core and Quad-Core SoC's are the future, and to be state of the Art Dual-Core Smartphone SoC's will be Standard 2012.
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i agree, but going multi-core is the future. it all depends on what apps you intend to run on your device. i just hope that battery technology can cope up with the rapid pace of mobile with multi-processors.
your unit may be uber quad-core fast, but would that last you for a day?

It's just a question of use.
If you only use your phone to text, phone, and a little web surfing, just stay on a single core.
If you want to have an advanced use of it, playing games, web surfing fluently with flash plugins, an interface with smooth scrollings...And with evolving capacities, like said before, on new versions of ROMS with plenty of possibilities, just go for it. May be you will keep your device longer, and it will worth your extra 60 bucks.
You just have to find the good ratio use/long lasting/short lasting/speed.

A non dual core phone is like buying a non dual core computer only do it if it's your only option.
IMHO
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dual core advantages
Dual core definitely has its advantages especially running ICS where there is a demand for more power
GPU,s respond better with dual core tech..will be quite a while before quad core takes hold so dual is the way to go for at least a year..more like six months though I would expect.

[Q] [about to buy] Questions about ram

Im about to buy an unlocked phone @ amazon, im between the super hardware of the atrix with better front camera and led notifications, and the freedom of the nexus s.
The only thing that really keeps me thinking, its the amount of ram of each phone. Right now i have a Moto Milestone, just 256mb of ram, very annoying and limiting,i dont want that in the near future, so what do you think about this? Are the 512mb of ram plenty enough? Im used to keep just a few apps opened with the milestone, but im paying to improve, so i dont want to do a mistake and i want to hear opinions from actual users of the phone.
How good is the battery? Will it last 18hs?
Thanks a lot.

Hi,
my battery is at the end of the day at 30 - 70 %, depending on the usage of the day.
But I find the RAM really limiting. I use it some times for geocaching and displaying maps using Locus. This is a rather RAM consuming use pattern so I think that the 512 MB RAM (which aren't used completely by the way, because a part of it is used for the GPU) isn't enough.
I really like the freedom of chose for ROMs for the Nexus S but I personally would buy it at this time but go for a more advanced phone with more RAM and Dual-Core CPU.

development for the nexus s is crazy! so I dont think you can go wrong. battery depends on you but with the right setup I think you can easily get 18 hours from your phone. I have never had an issue with running out of ram but thats just my opinion.

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I get 335mb useable ram with CNA 1.4 with T11 Trinity kernal. Amount may differ depending on kernal/rom combinations.
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Yes 512mb ram will be enough
Battery life is also not bad
I'm personally an ex milestone owner as well
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Great phone all rounder.

The thing is, for the same price, i have the Atrix with 1gb of ram and a dual core tegra, but i dont know if the development is active, or good. And by good i mean that its possible to do things with the phone, no blocked things and so.
I would want a fully functional (i could skip fingerprint reader, webtop and hdmi) Rom, with no known issues, like camera not working or so.
And at the same time, i want a future proof hardware, i dont want to be where i am with my milestone right now with poor ram or processor.

Did you check the section here in XDA what ROMs are available?
I really like the development and the freedom of choice with the Nexus S, that was the reason to buy this phone for me last year. The new galaxy nexus is a little to big I think.
EDIT: I forgot to put the phone in the charger yesterday evening and got 32% this morning after about 23 hours.

I don't know the Atrix's capabilities first hand, but the specs say it is much better than the Nexus S hardware-wise. But nothing comes close to the freedom of choice and development that goes on for the Nexus line.
The 384MB available is a good number, but not a great one. This phone would be far better with 768MB overall, with 512 solely for the system. Is it a problem with regular use? Definitely not, and with custom kernels and roms performance doesn't really suffer at all except in performance heavy games.
It is still a single core though, albeit probably the best single core phone out there. Battery is not great, but it is what should be expected from a 4" touch phone. You'll likely get around 4 hours of screen time in a day with some battery to spare, though this also depends on how tightly knit you keep the system. It's generally no worse than any other android out there without some huge battery.
Have a look at the Atrix ROMs and features. In the end it's your choice, but i'd be looking at it with a freedom or power perspective. Which one means more to you?

Why do people always compare phones with the chipset and RAM?? The nexus S has a vastly superior display which is really important thing for smartphone experience.
And nexus S has much better still picture camera as well. Every chipset will ultimately be outdated but a beautiful screen and camera will always be good features.

Is it meaningful to have 2-cores, 4-cores, or 8-cores in the phone?

I use a phone with single core yet and I managed to buy a new phone recently, do you think it is meaningful to have 2-cores, 4-cores, or 8-cores in the phone?

doubleelec said:
I use a phone with single core yet and I managed to buy a new phone recently, do you think it is meaningful to have 2-cores, 4-cores, or 8-cores in the phone?
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with the abundance of quad cores nowadays flooding the market, developers and apps would surely catch on optimizing apps to take advantage of
4 cores. As for octa cores, if you're seriously into multi tasking or using your phone/tablet for number crunching, then 8 cores would help.

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I think today Quad core is must, and even better if it comes with 2GB ram.
The prices keep dropping and if it fits the budget it better.
For the Octa core- I think it's the same stupid race like with the Camera MP - "look!- I have 30MP!"
Strong Quad core with 2GB ram in enough I think.

The Bigger. The Better
I had a dual core phone with half a gig of ram until a few months ago..then i switched to quad core & a gig ram..i really didnt notice much of difference..until last week, when i switched back to my old phone(as it has beautiful AMOLED screen..i just love that)..i realized that my old is quite slow n can't keep up to me speed..
so..there u go..the bigger the better..

Same thing happened in PC industry.
The software, especially video games will use every bit of your cores,no matter how many they are.

Xperia-Ray said:
For the Octa core- I think it's the same stupid race like with the Camera MP - "look!- I have 30MP!"
Strong Quad core with 2GB ram in enough I think.
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totally agree with you! :good:

I think that the Quad-Core cpu is the best, it will works perfectly for years and years (that s my opinion)
But the software optimization is even more important
Sorry for my bad english

Is 6GB worth it over 4GB?

I have a 6GB Mate 9 and it is hands down the fastest zippiest smoothest loveliest phone I have ever owned.
I'm not sure if this is due to Huawei's alleged anti-slowdown software, the faster processor (although getting any phone I got had the fastest processor available at the time and never felt this quick), or the fact that I chose one with a whopping 6GB RAM.
I now want to buy a Mate 10 and can get either the 6GB or the 4GB version. Does the extra GB make that much difference? I've heard that android doesn't use it. But then why are phones coming out in 6GB and even 8GB versions? I'm hoping devs on here will have a better idea of extra RAM usage than the general public.

i'm no dev but ram is ram.. think of it as a pc , could u fill up 6gb of ram ? yes, depends on usage. what about the mate 10 ? yes and again it all depends on your usage, whether u wanna do so is all up to you.
of course you have to factor in the factory rom and ram memory freeing algorithm and how it works. so is it beneficial for your kind of usage all goes back to you whether u wanna spend the lil extra to have 2 more gb of ram or not.
with my mate 9 at 4 gb i usually have 1gb+ of ram free for my kind of usage, so a 6gb version wouldn't necessarily be useful with my kind of usage or with the apps that i use.
you decide my friend.

You never know what future version of Android or other software require. I would go for the 6 Gb version.

don't think it is worth it,mostly useless.i'd go for the 4gb and save some money.