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Hey, really quick question here.i just read somewhere that setting taskkiller to autokill actually decreases your battery. At first I thought it was a load of bs, but then I read that "android does a very good job in running and managing the apps it needs to run. By interrupting this regime,you are forcing android to keep opening and closing the apps."
Is this possibly true? Or is it just bs. Btw, I am using taskkiller with autokill.
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i quit using the task killer from the market, let the phone do it's own thing, and my phone runs smoother and lasts longer...
Zdravkobg said:
Hey, really quick question here.i just read somewhere that setting taskkiller to autokill actually decreases your battery. At first I thought it was a load of bs, but then I read that "android does a very good job in running and managing the apps it needs to run. By interrupting this regime,you are forcing android to keep opening and closing the apps."
Is this possibly true? Or is it just bs. Btw, I am using taskkiller with autokill.
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Before the flame fest gets stated you need to read through THIS and study it.
Android is built off of the Kernel style of computers operating systems. Like what Apple and Linux use. These machines [Apple and Linux] are natively Multi-Tasking monsters. And people who are not familiar with them do not know this. They only know that windows slows down with the more windows you have open. So they think the same thing about their SmartPhone (Android/Blackberry/iOS/WebOS) so they want to throw task killers on their phones. I've owned Blackberries i know they ask for them. And I know retail stores push them, and i know your "buddy" probably recommend it to you. But the truth is Android esp. with 2.2 and greater will handle Multitasking better than any developed application can do it. In fact most ROM developers will not accept a log if you use a ATK. The ROM cannot do what it needs to do if you are forcing to do something else. i'd promise you if you remove that ATK your phone will run better and get better battery life.
yeah, it's true. same thing happened to me. i have read about that somewhere to, and a realized it makes perfect sense, since it comes from linux. i just let froyo do it's thing, and my battery improves, not that much, but enough for me to notice, plus apps dont FC that much anymore.
http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Check out what cyanogen himself has to say about the matter.
I'm new to the android thing, but I've done homework, so pardon me if this question is dumb.
I understand that an app, when loaded into memory, simply gets unloaded as android deems necessary. Fair enough.
Where task killers seem to be useful is when you run an app which then fires off a service/server, and it will continue to bleed off cpu even after you've exited.
Or more annoyingly it will ping the network for refresh data automatically.
(which I'm trying to avoid since I'm on a limited data plan).
Since I'm on a limited data plan, I poked around in the app a bit and couldn't figure out why it was doing that. Since I couldn't (shouldn't?) kill it, I just uninstalled it and rebooted the phone.
It's not a big deal, but it feels a bit needless and overkill.
- Frank
honestly task killers are subjective
it seems like if a phone has a lot of ram ala mytouch 4g then task killers arent needed as much
But things with 512 mb of ram, need a task killer alot
and this is my opinion
i've never had any adverse effects from using a task killer...been using one since november 2009
I recommend them for all android users...it takes to long to wait for android to do it itself
If you're rooted, you can download an app called AutoKiller Memory Optimizer. This app doesn't kill tasks; instead, it lets you modify system settings that determine when to start closing apps to release memory.
Read about it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645539
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These machines [Apple and Linux] are natively Multi-Tasking monsters. And people who are not familiar with them do not know this. They only know that windows slows down with the more windows you have open. So they think the same thing about their SmartPhone
I always felt that if I didn't know what it was running then it didn't need to be running, so, when I got my X, an ATK came quickly. I finally go tired of the notifications and uninstalled it though. Now that I'm rooted, I just freeze what I don't want or uninstall it. My experience is that I'm better without.
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In case you still don't believe it: more info on how totally worthless task-killers are.
I would like to know what are your guys readings of RAM usage. Mine sits around 240MB/339MB
Is that high or normal? I do have quite a bit of widgets on different home screens so I dont know what the baseline is. Please share your results.
Good topic I was wondering this myself ...
Average ram I have is about 128MB free out off 339MB
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179mb out of 339
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179mb out of 339
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Wow, running widgets? maybe I should modify my running apps.
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Wow, running widgets? maybe I should modify my running apps.
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No widgets running at the moment though.
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Task MAnagers!?!?!
I'm not sure if i am 100% right about this maybe won of the senior members who does know can enlighten us on this...
But I remember reading somewhere that task managers some times can hurt your phones RAM usage. I don't use one anymore unless it comes stock. and then I rarely find a reason to open it on mine. In standby I am running around 80-100 with 200-300 of freem RAM so with the SGS4G i don't think i will find a reason to use more than the stock utilities. I somtimes will installl a tool to monitor the RAM to see what I'm usin but every once in a while I go through and uninstall anything I don't need right away. I figure ussually being in good internet coverage I can always put something back.
So does anyone else know about wether or not the "Task Manager" could actually be a tantric in some cases?
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No widgets running at the moment though.
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So widgets are the ram hog on this phone? I have been constantly clearing ram in the task manager to help with speed. I only run clock, battery, and calender widgets on my device. Are they enough to boost me all the way to 240+ even after a RAM clearing? Considering the age of this thread is this still the case with new ROM's that are starting to roll out? I'm still stock, and very noob to android devices, but the urge for mods is growing given the positive responses to them.
http://m.lifehacker.com/5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Very good article about task killers
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So widgets are the ram hog on this phone? I have been constantly clearing ram in the task manager to help with speed. I only run clock, battery, and calender widgets on my device. Are they enough to boost me all the way to 240+ even after a RAM clearing? Considering the age of this thread is this still the case with new ROM's that are starting to roll out? I'm still stock, and very noob to android devices, but the urge for mods is growing given the positive responses to them.
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Well, this is def not the case anymore. I sit around 200MB free. Ever since cwm's final release the doors opened for us. Go get some love
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You shouldn't have to worry too much about RAM usage. A lot of it used by the OS. But yeah widgets does lower it and whatever app you're using. But I hope you don't resort to using task killers just to save 50mb's of RAM. It's there for use and shouldn't be looked at too much.
Mine shows about 400/626, but haven't noticed any big difference in battery drain when it's at 300/626.
Simple answer....everything hogs ram. The best way to tell what's worse is settings » applications » manage applications and watch your ram usage when you have certain things running. You will notice what is hogging more than others.
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Thank you for the info everybody. Been ruinning just fine all day with the ram almost maxed out, hard to break that task manager habit though lol. Goona keep reading before I root-flash-mod need to make sure I get it right the first time.
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Samsung and Tmo set many bloatware to run ALL the time and hogs RAM
via Linda file manager and auto memory manager (which tweak's android's memory management, not a standard task killer), i saw many apps that always run (many with priority equals to android system and the phone app) such as "wifi calling, visual voice mail, my account, qik, device management, drm, etc.
not everyone use these apps and they take up precious RAM and tiny amount of CPU cycles.
worse, however, is how the phone keeps loading unused, unaccessed, unwanted apps into memory (been weeks since I used pandora, yet it keeps getting reloaded into memory).
from clean boot, I get 150mb free. after a week, I get 45-55mb. This causes memory manager to kill off app as soon as you switch away and alot of stutter (dont you hate it when your browser gets killed)
Dont know if theres a fix for this. I tried tweaking the OOM parameters but it doesnt seem to work on this phone. Samsung probably tweaked something that broke this.
Ok so I was wondering about couple of things about the 2.2.1 and about task killing I know some ppl say not to have it. But some say they like using task killer. Does 2.2.1 have a task killer built in? What are some tools to use to kill off the task I did have advance task killer on my phone and it seemed like it helped out a lot even the battery life. Is it really just a personal thing to have.
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Ok so I was wondering about couple of things about the 2.2.1 and about task killing I know some ppl say not to have it. But some say they like using task killer. Does 2.2.1 have a task killer built in? What are some tools to use to kill off the task I did have advance task killer on my phone and it seemed like it helped out a lot even the battery life. Is it really just a personal thing to have.
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What you want to do is, if you feel you're having issues and you aren't sure what app might be causing them, is get something like Watchdog, which tells you how much CPU each app is using, and optionally will alert you when an app crosses the line of acceptable amount of CPU usage. You can kill the problematic app at that point, in Watchdog.
Other than that, task killers should be avoided. They cause problems.
As far as built-in, it's not an condoned activity to be killing apps whimsically, so I would say that it's not built-in in the sense that I think you're talking about.
You can force stop apps by way of settings>manage applications, if you really must.
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cool..I have been reading about the pros and cons about task killer. I mean idk also I see a lot of ppl talk about the battery life and an app called juice defender. Didnt know how good that really is reviews seem 50/50.
Android will kill apps as it needs to, Linux kernel has this built in. No task killer will be as efficient or effective as what you already have.
When you kill apps with a task killer, most are gonna restart, which is gonna waste more battery. Let the kernel do its thing, you'll be fine
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cool..I have been reading about the pros and cons about task killer. I mean idk also I see a lot of ppl talk about the battery life and an app called juice defender. Didnt know how good that really is reviews seem 50/50.
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A lot of people use juice defender. It's not really a task manager, more of a hardware battery usage manager.
I thought about it, but battery life isn't something that causes me that much of a problem, and a lot of the things it does I do anyway, so...
The custom rom I use improved battery life over stock, and I just manually keep things off/turned down while not in use, plus, I'm used to throwing my phone on the charger before I go to bed anyway... It lasts me through the day, so...
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Android will kill apps as it needs to, Linux kernel has this built in. No task killer will be as efficient or effective as what you already have.
When you kill apps with a task killer, most are gonna restart, which is gonna waste more battery. Let the kernel do its thing, you'll be fine
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To add to what dilligaf said, if he doesn't mind. Generally apps only consuming battery when they using your cpu, when you aren't using an app (the easiest way to explain it) it goes into a dormant state, but remains on your ram so it doesn't have to load the entire app the next time you open it.
Which is why watchdog is recommended.
cool I'll look into that also on a different note I see ppl talk about the side load update and att not knowing anything about it and calling up and having it push to them. Question is what the update for and is the same as side loader wonder machine?
also about my email not being so instant I see the settings for peak time and off peak time
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cool I'll look into that also on a different note I see ppl talk about the side load update and att not knowing anything about it and calling up and having it push to them. Question is what the update for and is the same as side loader wonder machine?
also about my email not being so instant I see the settings for peak time and off peak time
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The ATT sideloading update enables "unknown sources" in settings, allowing you to sideload at will on a non-rooted, stock phone.
The wonder machine, though I've never used it personally, sideloads an app on a per app basis, on an otherwise sideloading-disabled non-rooted phone.
In other words, to have to run it every time you want to sideload an app.
Having the "unknown sources" (sideloading) setting enabled on the phone, which is normally hidden, either by way of ATT's recent update, or by rooting (the most widely used technique here on XDA), frees you of the need to run wonder machine each individual time you want to install a non-market app.
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ah ok I thought thats what it did.. I still have not seen my update I go in to the settings and about phone click for updates and its saying everything is up to date and I have wait like 24 hrs later lol
I've got a sgs+ I updated to android 2.3.5 from 2.3.3 it improved the overall lagginess abit. I have tried almost everything not too difficult to smoothen things out because I'm not really into custom rom kinda deep stuff. For instance, temple run, lags every 10 secs and I fail. Angry birds? Same thing. My buddy with SGS "classic" does not have any of these kind of problems.
Ps: sorry for being NOOB
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I've got a sgs+ I updated to android 2.3.5 from 2.3.3 it improved the overall lagginess abit. I have tried almost everything not too difficult to smoothen things out because I'm not really into custom rom kinda deep stuff. For instance, temple run, lags every 10 secs and I fail. Angry birds? Same thing. My buddy with SGS "classic" does not have any of these kind of problems.
Ps: sorry for being NOOB
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If you want to have a better gaming experience (no lag..) you can either buy a phone with a stronger cpu, or root (which is really easy) and see if there is any custom kernels available for your device. With a custom rom and kernel you can make your phone more powerful than it is by increasing the speeds of your cpu. Phone's that don't have enough power don't play certain games well. I know you said you aren't into roms... It's really not that complicated. There is no way to make your phone more powerful, than to root and install a custom rom and kernel... Hope that helped.
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If you want to have a better gaming experience (no lag..) you can either buy a phone with a stronger cpu, or root (which is really easy) and see if there is any custom kernels available for your device. With a custom rom and kernel you can make your phone more powerful than it is by increasing the speeds of your cpu. Phone's that don't have enough power don't play certain games well. I know you said you aren't into roms... It's really not that complicated. There is no way to make your phone more powerful, than to root and install a custom rom and kernel... Hope that helped.
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The only problem with that is that the sgs+ has a 1.4ghz processor *COUGH*. its a single core but 1.4 is more than enough for temple run or angry birds. have you checked what programs are in the background? maybe there is a process that is polling every few seconds and lags the phone.
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The only problem with that is that the sgs+ has a 1.4ghz processor *COUGH*. its a single core but 1.4 is more than enough for temple run or angry birds. have you checked what programs are in the background? maybe there is a process that is polling every few seconds and lags the phone.
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Thanks for this. I'm trying to get my 10 helpful posts so I can post on threads.. Didn't know what exact specs were...lol. XDA is great! Tks for correcting that!
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When was the last time you turned your phone off?
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When was the last time you turned your phone off?
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Yeah my phone too can get pretty laggy crashy and unstable when I am using it allot without turning it off.
ICS on my Samsung Gio lagged allot so I had to switch back to an earlyer version which increased my CPU performance by 400%, (however, graphic performance change was almost negligible)
You could also try something like a2sd, if you already have something like that your SDcard might be slow. (I suggest you get some confirmation on this one from more experienced android users before actually going and buying a new one, since I am quite new to this whole android stuff).
Hope I could be of service,
R.
You probably have a lot of apps running at the background. Try installing a 3rd party app manager and end all apps. I mean all. Should work. If not then your phone has a problem. SGS+ SHOULDN'T lag behind the SGS not unless the SGS is rooted.
What is your "better phone for games"? Will it be released for ever?
Buy an iPhone for 0 lag gaming.. Android has some lags.
If you don't want to root and install ROMs then pretty much your only option is to uninstall unnecessary services and apps. Try uninstalling an app, testing the game, and keep uninstalling untill you know which app is possibly the offending one.
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do a reboot,and use 3rd party task killer to see what had auto bootup and slowing down ur phone
My dad barely let me root to make a backup before updating. (my phone but still) And then there is warranty, I already have problems with GPS. I'm probably not going to do that. Thanks for trying, thanked.
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The only problem with that is that the sgs+ has a 1.4ghz processor *COUGH*. its a single core but 1.4 is more than enough for temple run or angry birds. have you checked what programs are in the background? maybe there is a process that is polling every few seconds and lags the phone.
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I tried advanced task killer, but it really didn't make a difference. I think there are some self-restarters out there. And with app called watchdog, I didn't saw any active apps. Thanked
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If u root the thing and want to restore to factory default for warranty purpose, theres always odin. Just few clicks away and your phone is fresh default like its only been minutes its out of factory.
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If you don't want to root and install ROMs then pretty much your only option is to uninstall unnecessary services and apps. Try uninstalling an app, testing the game, and keep uninstalling untill you know which app is possibly the offending one.
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I did a factory reset. Then I tried to play something, it helped, probably the most. But there still was some lag? My friends stock non-rooted sgs classic runs better with like 70 apps installed.
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What is your "better phone for games"? Will it be released for ever?
Buy an iPhone for 0 lag gaming.. Android has some lags.
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I like the customizing of android. I can make my phone look like IPhone but not other way around.
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Yeah my phone too can get pretty laggy crashy and unstable when I am using it allot without turning it off.
ICS on my Samsung Gio lagged allot so I had to switch back to an earlyer version which increased my CPU performance by 400%, (however, graphic performance change was almost negligible)
You could also try something like a2sd, if you already have something like that your SDcard might be slow. (I suggest you get some confirmation on this one from more experienced android users before actually going and buying a new one, since I am quite new to this whole android stuff).
Hope I could be of service,
R.
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Rebooting helps for some 10 minutes, I really don't want to reboot that often. My phone goes 40-50fps but lags 1/4 seconds every 10 secs. I sometimes get bigger fps drops when playing reckless racing 2. I guess that is for dual core processors, but mostly it runs fairly well apart from those little lags
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Thanks to anyone for quick responses. I appreciate it.
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Sigh...... advanced task killers or any of them are just a pile or **it, they just use up ram, on android we all know theres no way to close all apps, they'll just keep opening anyway and they can't close most apps. It drains your battery and has your processors trying harder with a ram drainage. Absolutely USELESS.
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Sigh...... advanced task killers or any of them are just a pile or **it, they just use up ram, on android we all know theres no way to close all apps, they'll just keep opening anyway and they can't close most apps. It drains your battery and has your processors trying harder with a ram drainage. Absolutely USELESS.
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I knew that, that's why I used watchdog. It shows how much CPU power everything uses. Ram is there too but that is kinda useless.
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hello
dear user it may occur to you that sometimes when you apply a custom rom to a phone it is now built right for that phone because of all the different specs to that phone so it would be best advised to stick with the set defaults if you don't realy know what you are doind (like me) but also you could try and root is (universil androrot) and then use some programs like memory booster or just un install some apps from your device all together so free up some of the phones memorry.
hope it helped daveveej.
Whenever i use game killer on an aosp rom and when i look for the values it reboots. i have tried on paranoid android and liquidsmooth and same thing happens. is there any specific settings on how to use it with an aosp rom? it works fine on touchwiz. any help with this will be gladly appreciated.
Did you happen to find out how to fix this?
since1876 said:
Did you happen to find out how to fix this?
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Nope. Maybe is because none uses this game hack apps
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picarito said:
Nope. Maybe is because none uses this game hack apps
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I have used it on kairosoft games and never had any problems with it so I can't help you out.
Thousands of people do my decision was to flash cleanbean which is a stripped touchwiz rom. It's not the best choice though since half my ram is in constant use but it works. It used to work fine on cyanogenmod I don't know what happened. Oh well.
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Thousands of people do my decision was to flash cleanbean which is a stripped touchwiz rom. It's not the best choice though since half my ram is in constant use but it works. It used to work fine on cyanogenmod I don't know what happened. Oh well.
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You know the old saying "Doc it hurts when I do this" .
Well don't do that then....
If your RAM is half full consistently, then your ROM is broken. The Android (Linux) OS memory manager strives to keep the RAM 80% used /full all the time so that apps load faster. If its less than that you either don't have any apps installed or, you dorkeked something. Lots of times people try to use auto task killers, which work against the OS and cause much memory thrashing and gnashing of teeth and resultant poor performance. Having 60% of the RAM free might make you feel better, but it won;t make your phone faster, just the opposite.