Removed by me.
Still something that should be considered though.
No disrespect intended but I would take this down before you get shut down. This is not the droid forum and this is how it is done here in the Captivate forum. There is more to each of these ROMs that separates it from one and other. Try running them one by one and you will see what I mean. Some are heavy, some are light, some are slower and some burn your freaden hand(hypothetically speaking of course.) A lot of hard work goes into each and every ROM and you will get a lot of crap for this post. Also, look at each ROM, do you see anything that is different among them? check out the firmware they are based on. Some are I9000, some are Vibrant and some are the new GB from the Nexus firmware. There is plenty that make them unique to the dev. Please consider removing this post, we want the Captivate forum to be a friendly place and this is definitely going to cause some issues.
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No disrespect intended but I would take this down before you get shut down. This is not the droid forum and this is how it is done here in the Captivate forum. There is more to each of these ROMs that separates it from one and other. Try running them one by one and you will see what I mean. Some are heavy, some are light, some are slower and some burn your freaden hand(hypothetically speaking of course.) A lot of hard work goes into each and every ROM and you will get a lot of crap for this post. Also, look at each ROM, do you see anything that is different among them? check out the firmware they are based on. Some are I9000, some are Vibrant and some are the new GB from the Nexus firmware. There is plenty that make them unique to the dev. Please consider removing this post, we want the Captivate forum to be a friendly place and this is definitely going to cause some issues.
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Based on this post you should consider yourself lucky only one person saw the original post.
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I always miss the good posts! It definitely must have been something for you to respond like that, Adam.
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Removed by me.
Still something that should be considered though.
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Given only a very small number of people saw your original post, whatever it was is a bit hard to consider, isn't it?
I am constantly amazed at how many people have the gall to complain about ROMs. ROMs that the devs build for free, in their personal time.
Spend less time whining and more time flashing, you will see how little overlap there is.
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I wasn't complaining i was suggesting that more of the devs work together rather than alone. As in there seems to be some overlap in some roms.
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I wasn't complaining i was suggesting that more of the devs work together rather than alone. As in there seems to be some overlap in some roms.
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So develop your own ROM with no overlap whatsoever.
polarbee said:
So develop your own ROM with no overlap whatsoever.
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In binary.
On an abacus.
That you made from sticks.
Won't overlap a thing in existence that way.
God forbid some things overlap with limited sources i.e. i9000 ish and NO source for FROYO on the captivate... REALLY man? like 5 people actually DEV for the captivate and they all put out some good stuff. A few more port stuff from other galaxy s phones. Be thankful we have these guys. Or better yet, sell your captivate and go get an EVO there are TONS of roms for that. Then you can flash something totally different everyday so you get no overlap. You NOTICE how i randomly CAPITALIZE words? FAIL to you buddy.
I have conducted many searches on anything pertaining to software or rom development for the LG Fathom, but find very little. One of the reasons I bought the phone was because of the OS and the possibilities of customization. It was something I enjoyed abut owning an HTC Excalibur and made me want to own another Windows Mobile phone. Is the phone too difficult to tailor to or is it just not popular enough? Being one of the later models to include 6.5.3 I'm surprised it doesn't have it's own sub-forum. I know there's an issue with app access to the accelerometer, for example. Is there no one willing to tackle this? This phone has so much potential it'd be a shame to see it go to waste.
Anyone....
probably because its not popular enough. if more people had this phone, then that would be a different story
Well, at least that's something. Thanks, dude.
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probably because its not popular enough. if more people had this phone, then that would be a different story
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Hi, my opinion is the same. People who works modifying roms, likes to work with popular devices.
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Hi, my opinion is the same. People who works modifying roms, likes to work with popular devices.
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I can understand that, but it's a shame to let its potential go to waste. I just found out I'll be getting an HD7 on the first, anyways.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362961
how about this one on our HErcules?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362961
how about this one on our HErcules?
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This is no way, shape or form looks anything like development to me. Wastefull Thread.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362961
how about this one on our HErcules?
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Why? Partly because its a different processor, and partly because its a completely different phone. Suggest you don't flash and roms ever if you are asking this question.
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steveweng said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362961
how about this one on our HErcules?
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As bad as the vibrant is (I had one), and it was a terrible phone (software), it's been around long enough to attract actual developers. people that take the source code and develop a suitable ROM. That'd be my guess anyway. I haven't traveled over there in a year. perhaps they ported from the GS forum rather than build from source. This community doesn't really have developers. Like many phone forums it has custom MOD'rs. Which still has value but these guys aren't developing anything; They are taking existing ROM's and essentially putting themes to them although there is some legitimate menu customization. It's just not development. The GS2 isn't unique in that area though. But with Tmobile's decision to use a CPU that was different than the core GS2 configuration it did keep this forum weak in context of options. Frankly I've just reconciled waiting for CM9. That will be the first true developed ROM for this phone from the looks of it. And the first ICS ROM. Until then you'll get new fonts, a few menus and so on, and for GB.
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As bad as the vibrant is (I had one), and it was a terrible phone (software), it's been around long enough to attract actual developers. people that take the source code and develop a suitable ROM. That'd be my guess anyway. I haven't traveled over there in a year. perhaps they ported from the GS forum rather than build from source. This community doesn't really have developers. Like many phone forums it has custom MOD'rs. Which still has value but these guys aren't developing anything; They are taking existing ROM's and essentially putting themes to them although there is some legitimate menu customization. It's just not development. The GS2 isn't unique in that area though. But with Tmobile's decision to use a CPU that was different than the core GS2 configuration it did keep this forum weak in context of options. Frankly I've just reconciled waiting for CM9. That will be the first true developed ROM for this phone from the looks of it. And the first ICS ROM. Until then you'll get new fonts, a few menus and so on, and for GB.
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Well put! And the truth too!
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No offense but this belongs in general discussion gentlemen.
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So much that you quarantine it to an inactive iphone dev forums? Apple should just be treated as a normal phone brand. Im not ranting or whatevs but why do you really need to create a separate site for it?
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So much that you quarantine it to an inactive iphone dev forums? Apple should just be treated as a normal phone brand. Im not ranting or whatevs but why do you really need to create a separate site for it?
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So much that you quarantine it to an inactive iphone dev forums? Apple should just be treated as a normal phone brand. Im not ranting or whatevs but why do you really need to create a separate site for it?
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iThink (see what I did there? ) it's more to do with the fact that XDA is a 'Windows Phone and Android' development site, plus the iPhone is a completely different device to everything else. You can't flash custom ROMs on it or anything like that, all you can do is jailbreak it (as far as I know).
IB4L.
Seriously, you are asking this question in a non-iPhone forum?
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IB4L.
Seriously, you are asking this question in a non-iPhone forum?
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Nahhh, its only because most phone manufacturers are listed here except Apple. Sorry if its not allowed.
And my Mommy has an iphone 4 so I could ask questions regarding problems she might encountter.
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Nahhh, its only because most phone manufacturers are listed here except Apple. Sorry if its not allowed.
And my Mommy has an iphone 4 so I could ask questions regarding problems she might encountter.
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If you really want (and if you're slightly crazy) don't consider the iPhone as being in quarantine but as having it's own special place
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If you really want (and if you're slightly crazy) don't consider the iPhone as being in quarantine but as having it's own special place
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Good way of looking at it.
Nigeldg said:
If you really want (and if you're slightly crazy) don't consider the iPhone as being in quarantine but as having it's own special place
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Special phone with special needs, should have own special place
Most popular phones include their sections because development is different between them. And, as you can see, IOS has it's own section just like android, wp7 and the others. So I don't see any hate at all, just logically organised forums...
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If I could be so blunt and I don't mean it in a derogatory way, iPhones are not really a smartphone,they are smart to the masses who feel they have to fit in and they are special to the people who make them I suppose. A completely overated device that only lets you do what the makers want you to do, it's a fashion accessory and nothing else.
Every phone listed on this site can do exactly the same and better and the makers believe in letting the consumer decide how they want their phone that they've paid for to behave,power to the people.
IPhones=power to noone except the "brand".
Do I like iPhones?, I can't stick them and credit to xda for banishing them from our site
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If I could be so blunt and I don't mean it in a derogatory way, iPhones are not really a smartphone,they are smart to the masses who feel they have to fit in and they are special to the people who make them I suppose. A completely overated device that only lets you do what the makers want you to do, it's a fashion accessory and nothing else.
Every phone listed on this site can do exactly the same and better and the makers believe in letting the consumer decide how they want their phone that they've paid for to behave,power to the people.
IPhones=power to noone except the "brand".
Do I like iPhones?, I can't stick them and credit to xda for banishing them from our site
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+10 on that, my -exact- opinion which is purely based on my experience. We should hang out
lol, ok guys, i think this one has been answered.
Seriously though, the 'I' devices have their own specific site and their own dedicated sites, why duplicate here? XDA roots are windows mobile and more recently droid and winphone
Thread closed, thanks. (Enjoy iphone devs forum )
Hi.
I don't post much, I know, but I've been a lurker for quite a while. Anyway, long story short, I had a SGS for a while and by then (when it was new and shiny and the best thing of the world) every (or almost every) custom rom had something that distinguished it from the others (even with all the locked and closed source stuff). Either a new launcher, supercharged scripts, themes... you probably know what I mean. Fast-forward to 2014 and here I am with a brand new Nexus 5 with readily available source and binaries... I mean it's the or one of the most open phones in the world.
But, every custom ROM, be it stock or CM based, looks the same to me. Sure, names differ a lot (Dark UI, Black Carbon Fibers or whatever it is) but the overall functionality is the same. Innovation (or Imagination?) is near null values.
Apart from a few (SlimKat comes to mind even tho it has much of the functionality of the others, it's quite small in size compared) every rom looks the same. Not to mention there is quite less roms available for the device than for others.
Note that by saying this I mean no disrespect to the cookers or kitchen teams. Their work is highly appreciated.
Is it just me? Am I missing something?
Because every dev is building their ROMs using the same source.
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Hi.
I don't post much, I know, but I've been a lurker for quite a while. Anyway, long story short, I had a SGS for a while and by then (when it was new and shiny and the best thing of the world) every (or almost every) custom rom had something that distinguished it from the others (even with all the locked and closed source stuff). Either a new launcher, supercharged scripts, themes... you probably know what I mean. Fast-forward to 2014 and here I am with a brand new Nexus 5 with readily available source and binaries... I mean it's the or one of the most open phones in the world.
But, every custom ROM, be it stock or CM based, looks the same to me. Sure, names differ a lot (Dark UI, Black Carbon Fibers or whatever it is) but the overall functionality is the same. Innovation (or Imagination?) is near null values.
Apart from a few (SlimKat comes to mind even tho it has much of the functionality of the others, it's quite small in size compared) every rom looks the same. Not to mention there is quite less roms available for the device than for others.
Note that by saying this I mean no disrespect to the cookers or kitchen teams. Their work is highly appreciated.
Is it just me? Am I missing something?
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by look the same, you mean theming? you can do your own theming. nexus devices are lucky, they have access to source and the binaries, the other devices dont. from what i see, most other devices try to get aosp working on them, but dont fully or in a non hacky way. so they try other stuff with their roms, like more theming. people mostly buy nexus devices because they lack all the oem thrown in stuff and run pure android. the developers buy nexus devices for the same reason. generally, there isnt much demand for theming a nexus rom. nexus people like the basic android ui, as well as the developers. plus, id say that the over all age of nexus users is a little older than other android phones, and theming is more prefered by children and teenagers.
oh, and btw, nexus developers only use open source code, as its illegal to publish anything public using closed sourced code. anyways, nexus is all ooen source code, except for the binaries.
While all my examples were about theming, I didn't want to focus just on theming. I don't see roms using custom launchers or even a custom theme or kernel.. Nor do they integrate apps from other devices or from the market/devs here on XDA. Every cm11 based rom is pretty much the same functionality wise and I don't even want to talk about the stock based ones.
I thought that nexus owners being them users or developers bought the devices because it would be easier to use or create custom roms for them due to the openness of the system.
Also if it is illegal to post stuff with closed source code (and I know it is) why do all the other devices have a ****load of roms with proprietary stuff in them?? They're still pretty much available here (I'm thinking of the live with Walkman forum)..
Most roms there have stuff from newer and better devices which do actually work and that phone is really poor on terms of hardware specs.
It seems to me that most cookers for the nexus 5 are cooking the same dish but calling it different names because they might plate it In a different way.
It's a bit late now for me now, but I guess sooner or later I'm going to create a deviation of the rom list available as a Google document here and try every rom and compare them feature wise. So I can know for sure if I'm right with what I say here or if it's just a product of my imagination.
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While all my examples were about theming, I didn't want to focus just on theming. I don't see roms using custom launchers or even a custom theme or kernel.. Nor do they integrate apps from other devices or from the market/devs here on XDA. Every cm11 based rom is pretty much the same functionality wise and I don't even want to talk about the stock based ones.
I thought that nexus owners being them users or developers bought the devices because it would be easier to use or create custom roms for them due to the openness of the system.
Also if it is illegal to post stuff with closed source code (and I know it is) why do all the other devices have a ****load of roms with proprietary stuff in them?? They're still pretty much available here (I'm thinking of the live with Walkman forum)..
Most roms there have stuff from newer and better devices which do actually work and that phone is really poor on terms of hardware specs.
It seems to me that most cookers for the nexus 5 are cooking the same dish but calling it different names because they might plate it In a different way.
It's a bit late now for me now, but I guess sooner or later I'm going to create a deviation of the rom list available as a Google document here and try every rom and compare them feature wise. So I can know for sure if I'm right with what I say here or if it's just a product of my imagination.
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well, then nexus romming wont be right for you.
on second thought, the nexus 5 is definitely not right for you.
there are many roms that include custom kernels. and, there is a large number of custom kernels that you yourself can CHOOSE to flash on your own.
and the thing about nexus devices, all of them, is that they dont include bloat. which is another reason people buy them. the far majority of people here dont want roms to add more apps. again, you can do that on your own. it gives you choice of what you want, and you dont. many here like roms debloated.
and you talk about cm as its something big. cm isnt big for the nexus 5, its aosp. thats what people want. they want the pureness. not the over-hacked bloated of a rom. and again, thats what people buy nexus devices. we have full source. no over hackery needed, its clean and pure.
the proprietary stuff comes with the phones already, so people that buy those phones have a right to it. anyways, people that arent part of open source steal it. sometimes they get in trouble, sometimes they dont. legally, they can get in trouble if they distribute it. people that are part of open source respect others rights, and adhere to the rules and practices.
and there are two kinds of developer forums here, if you haven't noticed. android development and original development. in original development, they create an original piece of work. in android development, they take whats already out there, and do what they want with it.
it also seems as you think of the same and original works are about features. well, they are not. most of it is going to be inside the rom itself. like things that add speed, smoothness, and efficiency. most of the features are just added into the roms later, what its users like.
there are so many ways that you can make a rom your own, original. there are multitudes of ways you can mod what you are running. be creative, set it up as you personally like. make it yours.
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I'm going to create a deviation of the rom list available as a Google document here and try every rom and compare them feature wise. So I can know for sure if I'm right with what I say here or if it's just a product of my imagination.
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Don't post it here. It will be against the rules.
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Whatever you say we all love our Nexus 5 and what it offers..
shadowdevil said:
Whatever you say we all love our Nexus 5 and what it offers..
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I do love mine as well.
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Don't post it here. It will be against the rules.
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Really? There's one already available here (even tho it's outdated), that I found out in the OP of this Stickied Thread
simms22 said:
well, then nexus romming wont be right for you.
on second thought, the nexus 5 is definitely not right for you.
there are many roms that include custom kernels. and, there is a large number of custom kernels that you yourself can CHOOSE to flash on your own.
and the thing about nexus devices, all of them, is that they dont include bloat. which is another reason people buy them. the far majority of people here dont want roms to add more apps. again, you can do that on your own. it gives you choice of what you want, and you dont. many here like roms debloated.
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Well, I never meant to say that I wanted bloated roms. I understand the Nexus thing with AOSP, I really do. But while I agree that it having AOSP with full source and absolutely no bloat is its greater selling point (and one of the reasons I bought it), I'd think that if people with "closed devices" are tinkering with their devices in order to make them faster/nicer/prettier/<insert adjective here>, that a device for which there is full source and binary blobs compatible with every android version released after the device's released date, people would be more inclined to make custom roms that differ a bit more/offer more functionaly than AOSP. One of the things with open-source is freedom of choice, and sure, if you want pureness by all means go AOSP, but what if you don't? While AOSP is pure, it's lacking quite some features we've come to love on other phones...
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and you talk about cm as its something big. cm isnt big for the nexus 5, its aosp. thats what people want. they want the pureness. not the over-hacked bloated of a rom. and again, thats what people buy nexus devices. we have full source. no over hackery needed, its clean and pure.
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Again, see my previous point. If we have full source, we should have less issues while creating something more functional, prettier than people with closed devices.
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the proprietary stuff comes with the phones already, so people that buy those phones have a right to it. anyways, people that arent part of open source steal it. sometimes they get in trouble, sometimes they dont. legally, they can get in trouble if they distribute it. people that are part of open source respect others rights, and adhere to the rules and practices.
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Sure they have rights to it, as long as it is from the same device. Having a Xperia Z1 or T lockscreen or system UI on a LWW rom tho? I know it's illegal (on most countries) yet it is "accepted" here. I don't want stuff from another phone in my Nexus, but in the market there are so many good alternatives to AOSP/CM defaults that I find it strange that everyone is using either the AOSP Launcher (which has almost nil features and settings) or Launcher3 (or whatever it's called, which has like 1 or 2 more features than the AOSP launcher) and this is just a simple example.
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Really? There's one already available here (even tho it's outdated), that I found out in the OP of this Stickied Thread
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Thats a list of roms, kernels and mods. It just gives people links. It does not seek to compare. Its comparison that is not allowed
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Thats a list of roms, kernels and mods. It just gives people links. It does not seek to compare. Its comparison that is not allowed
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he's talking about the google excel spreadsheet that compares the features. its a link in the thread.
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he's talking about the google excel spreadsheet that compares the features. its a link in the thread.
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I guess it's been missed by the moderators then as any comparison is against the rules.
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I guess it's been missed by the moderators then as any comparison is against the rules.
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Is this an xda-wide rule? I've seen posts such as this one for quite a while now.
source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-s/general/war-obscurity-enter-risk-t2551028
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If we have full source, we should have less issues while creating something more functional, prettier than people with closed devices.
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You mean you expect devs here to build a rom that is quite similar to touchwiz, sense, and miui?
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Again, see my previous point. If we have full source, we should have less issues while creating something more functional, prettier than people with closed devices.
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prettier.. you do realized pretty is in the eye of the beholder? whats pretty to you is ugly as sin to me.
anyways, about creating something new and more functional.. the devs here work for free, on their own time. they have full time jobs, families, kids, and so on. they dont get paid for their efforts, or otberwise rewarded. where are they supposed to get the time for it? by the time they cteate something new, a new version of android will come out, and what they made will be looked past, among other things. maybe if we had full time xda devs.
what you need to do is create a rom yourself, or "shut up". as what you are posting is very disrespectful to the developers that we do have here.
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The forum rules don't say anything about this. The only thing that seems similar is the "no best rom threads," but there's nothing about not being allowed to create a comparison thread.
Anyway, I think there are a few reasons for what the OP is saying.
The SGS ran a custom manufacturer skin, so you would have an assortment of TouchWiz ROMs and AOSP ROMs that would seem to lead to more variety.
Although it has always been possible to run a custom launcher, Google has made it much easier/more seamlessly integrated with the addition of the Home settings. There's no real reason to integrate a custom launcher unless you're building your own, which CM does still include.
With the Theme Engine you don't see too many ROMs integrating their own themes. SlimKat does still have TRDS which is basically a custom theme.
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The forum rules don't say anything about this. The only thing that seems similar is the "no best rom threads," but there's nothing about not being allowed to create a comparison thread.
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It's right up there in the general forum. It's a STICKIE! I don't know how you missed it.
Anyways here's the thread made by a moderator where it's clearly written that any kind of comparison threads aren't allowed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/message-moderators-users-please-read-t2500184
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ej8989 said:
Is this an xda-wide rule?
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Yes it is. Comparison threads are frowned upon everywhere.
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It's right up there in the general forum. It's a STICKIE! I don't know how you missed it.
Anyways here's the thread made by a moderator where it's clearly written that any kind of comparison threads aren't allowed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/message-moderators-users-please-read-t2500184
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Yes it is. Comparison threads are frowned upon everywhere.
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IMHO, the list about OP is talking about is much more a "feature list" than a "comparison list".
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IMHO, the list about OP is talking about is much more a "feature list" than a "comparison list".
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I didn't quote the OP, did I?? I was replying to the other two.
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IMHO, the list about OP is talking about is much more a "feature list" than a "comparison list".
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lol, the op is NOT talking features. he wants to compare Roms for oiriginality, that isn't a feature list.
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It's right up there in the general forum. It's a STICKIE! I don't know how you missed it.
Anyways here's the thread made by a moderator where it's clearly written that any kind of comparison threads aren't allowed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/message-moderators-users-please-read-t2500184
I missed it because we're in the Q&A forum not the general forum
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lol, the op is NOT talking features. he wants to compare Roms for oiriginality, that isn't a feature list.
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It's a bit late now for me now, but I guess sooner or later I'm going to create a deviation of the rom list available as a Google document here and try every rom and compare them feature wise. So I can know for sure if I'm right with what I say here or if it's just a product of my imagination.
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