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You haven't lost me yet guys but i picked one up today

SO I'M STILL A G2X FAN THE TECH IN ME MADE ME DROP 600$ TODAY A HOUR AGO ON THIS SENSATION SO FAR
WELL I HAVE THE G2X AS WELL AND THIS DEVICE IS A LOT SLOWER FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S 1.2 GHZ AND 768 RAM VS 512 AND FOR IT TO BE QHD IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE MY OLD ATRIX AND MY G2X SCREEN JUST POPS MORE NOW THAT ALL MY GRIPES OUT THE WAY.
THE GOOD LOVE THE BUILD UNI BODY GOOD CAMERA NICE SIZE SCREEN UMM WHAT ELSE THAT'S IT FOR NOW THIS BABY NEEDS ROMS AND ROOT UNTILL I CAN SAY MORE AND YES I CAN SEND PICS OF BOTH MY G2X AND SENSATION FOR THE TROLLS JUST ASK.
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Thought the same thing about that phone.
Btw, I felt I was being screamed at while reading your post though
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Is this the new XDA trend to start a post about switching every phone you buy? I am going to start one for when I take a **** as each one will be slightly different as well.
GUYS THIS ONE HAD PEANUTS IN IT & I DIDN'T EAT NUTS!!! ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
j/k wish you the best either route you go.
Edit: I would have normally not responded to this type of thread but I been up all night and kinda loopy.

Holy crap! Nobody takes a person seriously when confronted by a wall of caps lock.
Go to school and learn how to type.
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Last time I read something that was all in caps, some rich dude in Nigeria really needed my help getting his 14 million dollars out of the country after a coup... come to think of it, I haven't heard from him in a while...
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Holy capslock, I think your sensation is broken.
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BobbyDukes707 said:
Last time I read something that was all in caps, some rich dude in Nigeria really needed my help getting his 14 million dollars out of the country after a coup... come to think of it, I haven't heard from him in a while...
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Lololololololol hillarious

dude u gots to be kidding me. if i hear about the sensation one more time im gonna hulk smash my desk top into 532 pieces, then non shalantly act like it never happened as my wife sits there screaming wtf u asshole!!!

nucentury08 said:
SO I'M STILL A G2X FAN THE TECH IN ME MADE ME DROP 600$ TODAY A HOUR AGO ON THIS SENSATION SO FAR
WELL I HAVE THE G2X AS WELL AND THIS DEVICE IS A LOT SLOWER FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S 1.2 GHZ AND 768 RAM VS 512 AND FOR IT TO BE QHD IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE MY OLD ATRIX AND MY G2X SCREEN JUST POPS MORE NOW THAT ALL MY GRIPES OUT THE WAY.
THE GOOD LOVE THE BUILD UNI BODY GOOD CAMERA NICE SIZE SCREEN UMM WHAT ELSE THAT'S IT FOR NOW THIS BABY NEEDS ROMS AND ROOT UNTILL I CAN SAY MORE AND YES I CAN SEND PICS OF BOTH MY G2X AND SENSATION FOR THE TROLLS JUST ASK.
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Ok...after you hear about the caps from others. I would NEVER mention all caps to anyone....seriously....this is tehe G2x forum. To get to the Sensation forum, scroll up, on the right hand side, Find your device...type Sensation...you can use all caps if you wish...and boom there ya go .
Speaking of the Sensation...did you see the LG Thrill yet?????

alodar1 said:
Speaking of the Sensation...did you see the LG Thrill yet?????
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Dual core OMAP, tri-dual channels, PowerVR GPU, Wow! Gonna decimate all phones too bad it doesn't have T-Mo 4G AT&T only boo!

nucentury08 said:
SO I'M STILL A G2X FAN THE TECH IN ME MADE ME DROP 600$ TODAY A HOUR AGO ON THIS SENSATION SO FAR
WELL I HAVE THE G2X AS WELL AND THIS DEVICE IS A LOT SLOWER FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S 1.2 GHZ AND 768 RAM VS 512 AND FOR IT TO BE QHD IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE MY OLD ATRIX AND MY G2X SCREEN JUST POPS MORE NOW THAT ALL MY GRIPES OUT THE WAY.
THE GOOD LOVE THE BUILD UNI BODY GOOD CAMERA NICE SIZE SCREEN UMM WHAT ELSE THAT'S IT FOR NOW THIS BABY NEEDS ROMS AND ROOT UNTILL I CAN SAY MORE AND YES I CAN SEND PICS OF BOTH MY G2X AND SENSATION FOR THE TROLLS JUST ASK.
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So which screen looks better in direct sunlight g2x or sensation
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!

tweezit said:
Is this the new XDA trend to start a post about switching every phone you buy? I am going to start one for when I take a **** as each one will be slightly different as well.
GUYS THIS ONE HAD PEANUTS IN IT & I DIDN'T EAT NUTS!!! ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
j/k wish you the best either route you go.
Edit: I would have normally not responded to this type of thread but I been up all night and kinda loopy.
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I had grapes for breakfast
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!

tackleberry said:
So which screen looks better in direct sunlight g2x or sensation
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!
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I have both phones and would test this....but I live in Washington state...we don't have sunlight.

alodar1 said:
I have both phones and would test this....but I live in Washington state...we don't have sunlight.
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LOL
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tweezit said:
Is this the new XDA trend to start a post about switching every phone you buy? I am going to start one for when I take a **** as each one will be slightly different as well.
GUYS THIS ONE HAD PEANUTS IN IT & I DIDN'T EAT NUTS!!! ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
j/k wish you the best either route you go.
Edit: I would have normally not responded to this type of thread but I been up all night and kinda loopy.
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LMAO I take about 3-4 a day so I can be here all day posting about my turds!
Suprah..."no cyanogen, rom manager still fake flashes the roms thats y for nvidia phones we have to use nvflash"

Almost picked up a sensation today but wasn't really impressed with it. The screen was average, only thing good was the larger screen and unibody...my g2x screen looked better.
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Dual core OMAP, tri-dual channels, PowerVR GPU, Wow! Gonna decimate all phones too bad it doesn't have T-Mo 4G AT&T only boo!
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Would you really buy another LG phone after the way they have handled the G2X? I love my G2X but LG will not get more business from me when the time comes to get a new phone in a year or so....

show me how your rockin your g2x....

Ok so I'm pretty content with how my phone looks rite now. I think it looks badass rite now. I'm running cm7. My lockscreen is ripple lock, my theme Chooser and adw theme is synergy. U can grab all these in the market. Oh and my live wallpaper is vortex galaxy .....let's see yours
Lockscreen, looking like honeycomb
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My homescreen...
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Not done much since I got my g2x back cause been enjoying a stable phone. But here's what my homescreen looks like ..
Edit: quick lil spice up

smashpunks said:
Not done much since I got my g2x back cause been enjoying a stable phone. But here's what my hinescreen looks like ..
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Nice! Brotha....

sarni84 said:
Nice! Brotha....
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Thank ya thank ya, by the way. Your number 15 in the world on the g2x on that benchmark sure helped me come back from that slow ass sensation after a few days of system bog down.

My screen. I love it
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Here's my home page. As you can see, I keep it extra simple.
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My Homescreen.
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mhsamma said:
My Homescreen.
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What's that cell and wifi one.? Thanks.

mhsamma said:
My Homescreen.
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What clock widget are you using and what app is the one with the wifi and ringer toggle?

smashpunks said:
Thank ya thank ya, by the way. Your number 15 in the world on the g2x on that benchmark sure helped me come back from that slow ass sensation after a few days of system bog down.
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Thanx dude and yea man that sucks u had to go thru some stupid **** like that but ya know what I guess it all happened for a reason cuz in the end seems like your happy and the g2x is running nice ; )

@ bkrill its sense analog clock in the market for free too

Captivated Theme and Sense Widget
Stock Density @ 240
Custom Density @ 190

sarni84 said:
Thanx dude and yea man that sucks u had to go thru some stupid **** like that but ya know what I guess it all happened for a reason cuz in the end seems like your happy and the g2x is running nice ; )
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Very very happy. Hell I just saw a article on the g2x having issues, mentioned screen bleed which I don't have, reboots which also don't have and battery heat issues.
Lol id rather have all of those vs the sensation dust, dead pixels, unforgivable wifi, screen not responding to fast swypes, way hotter than the g2x, two different screens which wash out baaaaad.
G2x ftw. Only issue I ever had on ny last g2x was a few reboots out a month. Meh no biggie

And ya know what smashpunks alot of people dog the **** outta this phone but for LG and there first big android phone I think its beautiful. Everything about it. Yea they should have this update out and definitely should have did more qa. But for being LG it is not a bad phone at all I know some peeps are sour about the g2x but I have no complaints never really did I love my phone and I'm super happy. **** HTC is known way better then LG in terms of phones and even tho the g2x came out 2 months earlier it was still a better device. Which is crazy cuz we all know how fast new phones get phased out......think about it

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Which is crazy cuz we all know how fast new phones get phased out......think about it
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And ours got phased out quicker than any phone before it . Sorry, I had to...

Pretty basic...love this wallpaper
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PikkonX said:
And ours got phased out quicker than any phone before it . Sorry, I had to...
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Not my phone......sorry I had to

sarni84 said:
And ya know what smashpunks alot of people dog the **** outta this phone but for LG and there first big android phone I think its beautiful. Everything about it. Yea they should have this update out and definitely should have did more qa. But for being LG it is not a bad phone at all I know some peeps are sour about the g2x but I have no complaints never really did I love my phone and I'm super happy. **** HTC is known way better then LG in terms of phones and even tho the g2x came out 2 months earlier it was still a better device. Which is crazy cuz we all know how fast new phones get phased out......think about it
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I think people were just too hard on LG cause it was the first high end smartphone of theirs. Again the sensation issues wow. I think its cool if not many more g2xs are sold, kind of gives us that love it our own special place.lol but for real, the sensation features had me at hello, but once those wore off the performance just degraded and I missed my g2x. I sure love mine. Especially with cm7. That brightness in the scroll bar like the vibrant is genius ...
I had a n1, people dogged it non true MT screen, and now look at it, still big. People dogged the vibrant, look at it, still strong and part of the elite screen club and its gourmet wow., now this, dog it, but it flunking flying.
Long live the few g2xs left and strong.

Cool thing you can do with battery cover

Don't know if this is the right thread to post in but saw this fix you can do with your sensations battery cover! Pretty cool if I ever get an extra battery cover think ill try it!
http://blog.whitesites.com/HTC-Sensation-4G-Chrome-Polished-Frame__634471425817343750_blog.htm
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*edit found this posted in sensation General already somebody beat me!
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Sick!!!!!!!!
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wow that is ****ing bad as

tbubba said:
Don't know if this is the right thread to post in but saw this fix you can do with your sensations battery cover! Pretty cool if I ever get an extra battery cover think ill try it!
http://blog.whitesites.com/HTC-Sensation-4G-Chrome-Polished-Frame__634471425817343750_blog.htm
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COOL.... COOL, indeed.

Would be better if you knew a jeweler. The guy at the general forums said it took.him 6 hours to do.
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Oh, i talked to HTC customer support today about some problems, and asked if they had any plans to release custom battery covers, and i gave him the link to your blog, and he liked it! So he went away for a couple of minutes, came back and even gave me price for custom battery covers, it was 75 USD in Norway, maybe cheaper in other country's

Utking said:
Oh, i talked to HTC customer support today about some problems, and asked if they had any plans to release custom battery covers, and i gave him the link to your blog, and he liked it! So he went away for a couple of minutes, came back and even gave me price for custom battery covers, it was 75 USD in Norway, maybe cheaper in other country's
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Can anyone else confirm custom oem battery covers?? :-/
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Looks brilliant! I don't have the patience to do that lol
I want a white cover
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I love that cover. However wouldn't that process be faster if you use a metal paint remover?
Just an observation, that's what I had in mind to use.
Is there a reason why you selected a different route?
Great job however

riverajuan said:
I love that cover. However wouldn't that process be faster if you use a metal paint remover?
Just an observation, that's what I had in mind to use.
Is there a reason why you selected a different route?
Great job however
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aircraft remover would work MUCH faster, yes. i may have to do that this weekend...

nicky041192 said:
Looks brilliant! I don't have the patience to do that lol
I want a white cover
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It would be easily painted tbh, it would need sanding down then painting with a primer/undercoat then a topcoat of your choosing (Depending on the paint you may need to add a top coat of lacquer)

tbubba said:
*edit found this posted in sensation General already somebody beat me!
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The person that actually did it posted a thread with a link to his blog
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Ya I know! Wished I saw that first before I posted this but o well!
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u can buy them
has anyone seen the prices for chrome cases, its a skank!

nicky041192 said:
Looks brilliant! I don't have the patience to do that lol
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Quietly Brilliant right? Sorry, just couldn't resist it.
This guy has beat HTC at their own design.

The problem with the pain removers is that it would also remove it from the "htc" which then takes away from the appeal imo.
if you look at the pictures theyre still black against chrome

maybe you guys are looking at this thing too much and now his site is down because
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm216/tcs007/ray-charles-i-cant-see-****.jpg

Here is my device.
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Site is back up and running.
that looks amazing bro. i may go and try the brushed metal look. I have done a similar process to my SE K790.

should I switch my g2x out for a mytouch 4g slide?

I've been wondering if I should switch my g2x out for a mytouch 4g slide. I like the g2x but its been causing problems ... not to mention the horrible battery life
Ive always liked the mytouch brand and I believe the new slide is dual 1.2ghz Processer.
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If you like the mytouch better then yes you should switch. Why keep a phone if you don't want it?
G2X CM7

I don't really think there's a reason to have a physical keyboard anymore unless your a female with long nails. A keyboard just adds more bulk to the phone. In the end, your going to have to figure out which phone suites your needs better.
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It's not that I don't want the g2x. Its just too many problems you know? And an actual keyboard comes in handy sometimes. I'll do come more research on it, I don't thing the new slide is that thick. I could be wrong.
What I really want is my iPhone 4 back.. I was usingg it for almost a year and then it took a dive in the lake.. now it boots up to the iTunes logo if I have it plugged in but then halfway through a restore, I know its not totally fried cuz then it wouldn't even turn on.
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Get another iphone
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Since I have T-Mobile it will be expensive to buy the same 32gig I had.
Maybe the next iPhone will launch on T-Mobile
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I like the Slide better than the G2x. In fact, now I like most phones more than it. I haven't noticed *too much* that I lost .3 inches of screen. I can't say that i would like it more if LG actually released a proper update though.
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That screen looks alot smaller than just 0.3. I don't think I could never go lower than 4"
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If the screen is the same as the mytouch 4g then it isn't a big problem for me. Besides I heard it has a pretty good resolution as well
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Traded a nib g2x for a myt4g slide, its the wifes. I still have my g2x.
Camera goes slide easy
Screen on g2x looks and feels much bigger
Battery is tie. I've never had bad battery on any android I've had
Its not thick for having a keyboard
Sense sucks
G2x blows doors off the slide at this point
No perm root
Hate physical buttons
Speakers are same as g2x.
G2x looks better
Meh, your choice op but id keep the g2x. Get a hardware bug free one, slap cm7 on there and be happy..

You should just wait for the Hercules
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gubidi said:
You should just wait for the Hercules
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That's what I'm waiting for. I am now salivating at the mouth thinking about it. I really want Super AMOLED back along with the second best camera in smartphone history.

If u want ur iPhone fixed pm me. I can help u out, just tell me what os u have
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moeahmad1995 said:
If u want ur iPhone fixed pm me. I can help u out, just tell me what os u have
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Lol. Sketchy.

jrwingate6 said:
That's what I'm waiting for. I am now salivating at the mouth thinking about it. I really want Super AMOLED back along with the second best camera in smartphone history.
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Do you know what processor there putting in that?

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Do you know what processor there putting in that?
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Yea dude that phone looks sick, that's definitely my next, hopefully September!!! And to the op I say if u ain't happy with your g2x screw it get the mytouch slide it is a nice phone, but me I would keep g2x, now it would be a different story if the Hercules was out

I thought about it until I read how crappy the screen is. Instant no no.
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!

smashpunks said:
Do you know what processor there putting in that?
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I don't know. Each blog I've read states something different but now that the device is close to being released, none of them are speculating. Everything spec wise is just a rumor at this point. I asked my step father who sometimes knows these things but he didn't know. He said he would ask someone who might though. He did tell me that Samsung would be releasing the phone on every carrier on the same day or atleast that's what they want to do.
In my opinion, I think every GSII variant in the US will have the Exynos CPU. I would think they want each region to have the same CPU.
The battery cover on that Hercules looms like its brushed metal.
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gubidi said:
You should just wait for the Hercules
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Can't wait until september!
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4.5 inch screen sounds great....just as long as it works in direct sunlight of course and the charger is not on the top of the phone. And root of course
G2x with CM7 and faux kernel. NONSENSE!!!!

Been fun mt4g!!! Who is getting the one x??

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Next week I'm ordering a new phone with at&t. Development has been booming here but its time for me to get a bit better phone!! Thank you to all the devs for giving the glacier 9 lives!!! See u in the sg2 forums!!!
EDIT I'm getting the HTC ONE X
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rpomponio said:
Next week I'm ordering a new phone with at&t. Development has been booming here but its time for me to get a bit better phone!! Thank you to all the devs for giving the glacier 9 lives!!! See u in the sg2 forums!!!
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sg2? WEAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
im a samsung hater.. even though HTC is moving in the wrong direction with the non-removable battery and lack of sd-card.. ill never switch to samsung again
i used to love samsung for their sleek and sexy designs, until i realized theyre so cheaply made..
HTC = SOLID

Lmao!!! This phone is week!!!!
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Wait, you got rid of the mt4g to go with an sg2? Really? Theres the HTC amaze, HTC one s thats just dropped and the sg3 that's about to drop soon but then again you went for an sg2. Well, I guess...whatever floats your boat.

You should for the One X, since you're going to at&t. A better phone, and will last longer in this dev community I think
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Yea get the One X.
Or even better, wait for the GS3.
I'm assuming you haven't been around the internet for the past few hours...
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I2IEAILiiTY said:
Yea get the One X.
Or even better, wait for the GS3.
I'm assuming you haven't been around the internet for the past few hours...
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the Sammy gs3 is pretty darn good. Too bad its made of plastic and has pentile (but I read that with its screen size and stuff, pentile is hardly noticeable). Touchwiz is far more better than the sgsII's one. It would be a waste going for the sgsII when the sgs3 is around the corner (June for America, Samsung said)
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Thanks everyone, think I will get a one now, lol
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Have you seen this yet?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633789

ronin178 said:
Have you seen this yet?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633789
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This has got me all messed up now.... Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ronin178 said:
Have you seen this yet?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633789
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it has been decided: i am never going back to AT&T again...

Soon of a *****!!! , idk what I'm gonna do now....
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rpomponio said:
Soon of a *****!!! , idk what I'm gonna do now....
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Stay where you are right now lol. Until there's a phone that can be hacked and fully unlocked or whatever. Galaxy nexus is an option
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Read this...
http://www.androidcentral.com/att-one-x-prototype-may-mean-early-access-hackery
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dude just get the Galaxy Nexus from Google Play! it's only $400, completely unlocked, no contract and all that bs.
i'm considering getting one... lol it's either the Galaxy Nexus or the Sensation...

Wife wants the I phone, that's the whole reason I'm switching to AT&T can't afford a 400 dollar phone anyways. Rather put 400 in the bank... Lol
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I smell a queen song coming on.....
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

rpomponio said:
Wife wants the I phone, that's the whole reason I'm switching to AT&T can't afford a 400 dollar phone anyways. Rather put 400 in the bank... Lol
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You do know a new iPhone will be announced in a couple of months right? I think in a couple of months...since WWDC is in June
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Get the Galaxy Nexus. Even though its not the best spec'd phone currently out, it's still by far the best phone to get if you're a ROM flasher... And the screen with on screen soft keys is just too much awesome. Plus, dev scene is the best.
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Gnex is an awesome phone so far. I think I will miss the physical hardware buttons and trackpad, but this is only day 1 using it, maybe I will get along fine without them.
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