[PROJECT] Debian for Galaxy 3 - Galaxy 3 Android Development

So you've no doubt seen all the people who've managed to put Debian/Ubuntu on their Galaxy S or their HTC Desire or something expensive that we poor people can't afford? Well this is the same deal but for our Galaxy 3!
I was bored and decided to try it for myself and well it seems to be working. I'm still configuring it but I'm not just gonna end it at "we've got VNC into it so it's done", I want to hopefully get it to be a full ROM that can be booted on it's own. It's ambitious, I know, but isn't it fun trying?
This is not a shoop.
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This is really me connected to my phone in adb, and I have apt-get (a major feature of Debian) is working, and you can see the kernel is our own G3MOD.
How does this work?
It's not a virtual machine or an emulator or anything like that, this is NATIVE ARM code. Real Linux. How it works is not by heavily modifying my system or anything, that is completely fine. In fact I can still ring people, SMS, use the 3G connection, all that fun stuff is still there. It's still an Android, but at the same time there is a process for bash sitting in the background on the phone which uses a totally different root directory (chroot) and this bash has surrounding it all of Debians files and such for the armel build: it is a full Debian install sitting there, but because there is alreayd a Linux kernel there (G3MOD) it doesn't need to run another one so it runs technically at full speed on top of the kernel, just in it's own little area off to the side, kind of like the kiddies pool.
Currently I am working on making Debian work on it's own so there will be no Android beside it.
Can it run X-Windows?
Yup. As you can see in the screenshot, X11 is outputting directly to the screen. It's using the framebuffer right now, and I want to see if I can make it hardware accelerated. You can't control it yet as I need the touchscreen to work right. I can access it, but it is outputting data in a format that X11 doesn't like.
Amazingly Awesome Video
What is working?
Base Debian (working both alongside Android and on it's own)
X11
VNC and SSH
Framebuffer
Buttons and touchpanel detected but not mapped
What needs to be done?
FIMG support (I need to see if it's possible to use the Android drivers or if X11 is not gonna work with that)
Support for controlling the WiFi (not needing Android)
Controlling the modem
Sound
Button mappings
Bluetooth
FM Radio
When will it be done?
Don't ask. I don't know. This project is a side-project for me and I only put in effort when I'm bored and need something to do, so I don't have a clue. When will it go alpha? Again, I don't know. I don't want to release it all broken and stuff, so we have to wait.
Again, this is not an emulator, it's not something whipped up in Java, this is REAL Debian Linux running inside my phone.
Any questions?

You just gotta keep pushing yourself to the absolute limits dont you?? Awesome work man.. Looking forward to it! Good luck!!

harkan89 said:
You just gotta keep pushing yourself to the absolute limits dont you?? Awesome work man.. Looking forward to it! Good luck!!
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Actually this is me relaxing. To me relaxing is just poking around with files and seeing what I can come up with. There was barely any coding required. The hard part is waiting for apt-get.
It won't be until I get into the nitty gritty of getting X11 to directly use the hardware rather than working in a box where I get into the hard part.

hillbeast said:
Actually this is me relaxing. To me relaxing is just poking around with files and seeing what I can come up with. There was barely any coding required. The hard part is waiting for apt-get.
It won't be until I get into the nitty gritty of getting X11 to directly use the hardware rather than working in a box where I get into the hard part.
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Hey... Just kinda curious.. But if I look into the system utilities of my mac.. I can see an X11 there.. Is it the same thing?? The X11 terminal??

harkan89 said:
Hey... Just kinda curious.. But if I look into the system utilities of my mac.. I can see an X11 there.. Is it the same thing?? The X11 terminal??
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X11 on Mac is a utility for Macs so you can run X11 applications inside Mac OS X (I'm not sure what the technical name for the window server is in Mac OS, Cocoa or Carbon or something like that). Basically think of it as an emulator but without emulation. It's there so Linux users can move onto Mac and keep their programs, or so you can run Linux utilities such as Wine. But X11 isn't necessarily a Linux thing, it's more a UNIX-based thing as I believe it works on UNIX and BSD and such.
I think Mac OS X is BSD based.

as a non techie i really dont know wat it means or wats the use, but all i know is u have done something cool for the phone...cheers

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X11 on Mac is a utility for Macs so you can run X11 applications inside Mac OS X (I'm not sure what the technical name for the window server is in Mac OS, Cocoa or Carbon or something like that). Basically think of it as an emulator but without emulation. It's there so Linux users can move onto Mac and keep their programs, or so you can run Linux utilities such as Wine. But X11 isn't necessarily a Linux thing, it's more a UNIX-based thing as I believe it works on UNIX and BSD and such.
I think Mac OS X is BSD based.
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Yeah.. Mac is BSD based.. And I guess the window server is Carbon..

deadwood01 said:
as a non techie i really dont know wat it means or wats the use, but all i know is u have done something cool for the phone...cheers
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Basically, the Galaxy 3 can now run pretty much anything you can run on your desktop computer, provided you can be patient with it. It's kind of slow.
Also I have X11 working now. Gonna see what I can do.

AMAZING!
Very good job hillbeast, very good!

Great!
When i saw Ubuntu installation on an android phone on youtube, i thought this could be bigger than Android (U know wht i mean)
Then i saw the desktop UI on a small phone and the VNC deal, then thought eeh i dont think this is practical, I wish there was a versin of Ubuntu specially for fones, (any phone) like a universal Mobile OS, (That way we wont have to deal with (i hope) problems like porting, driver compatibily issues etc anymore!
This is great man, All the best Best!

While I think that the screen of our phone is to small to actually do something useful with a full featured Debian, I really like that you are trying it

Shree_Jamdar said:
When i saw Ubuntu installation on an android phone on youtube, i thought this could be bigger than Android (U know wht i mean)
Then i saw the desktop UI on a small phone and the VNC deal, then thought eeh i dont think this is practical, I wish there was a versin of Ubuntu specially for fones, (any phone) like a universal Mobile OS, (That way we wont have to deal with (i hope) problems like porting, driver compatibily issues etc anymore!
This is great man, All the best Best!
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Yeah the interface is not... perfect. However for various tasks here and there that you wouldn't normally get from Android, I think it could be handy to someone.
Benjamin_L said:
While I think that the screen of our phone is to small to actually do something useful with a full featured Debian, I really like that you are trying it
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Well there is a zoom capability, but yes I aagree that our screen is a little too small. But you /can/ VNC into it from a computer if you want a big screen and if I get this fast enough we could technically use our phones as a portable workstation. Not sure what's wrong with a laptop, but what's the point of the XDA if not to push the boundaries of what's possible?

Added video to first post.

When this is fully working and such, maybe it's an idea to try and create a simple mobile UI made for our screen size.
I would surely be interested to try and create something like that!
Keep up the good work Hillbeast ;D
Dympy.
Ps. So this is your definition of resting? xD

dympy said:
When this is fully working and such, maybe it's an idea to try and create a simple mobile UI made for our screen size.
I would surely be interested to try and create something like that!
Keep up the good work Hillbeast ;D
Dympy.
Ps. So this is your definition of resting? xD
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Yes I think a nice UI would be handy. And this actually is me resting. Me resting is me just playing around to see what comes up. No deadlines, no requests, just me making stuff happen.

I know that feeling, the thing is, I can't say no to stuff friends ask so I don't end up with lots of free time.
After the G3RM site I'm going to take a break (vacation is coming for me, just one week) and then I'll try messing around to see if I can create a nice simple UI
My Archos 43 also has the ability to boot Debian, but the desktop UI is just annoying on a screen smaller then at least 7 inches, so if this actually works I can also use the UI for that device
Good luck with getting it to work!
Dympy.

dympy said:
I know that feeling, the thing is, I can't say no to stuff friends ask so I don't end up with lots of free time.
After the G3RM site I'm going to take a break (vacation is coming for me, just one week) and then I'll try messing around to see if I can create a nice simple UI
My Archos 43 also has the ability to boot Debian, but the desktop UI is just annoying on a screen smaller then at least 7 inches, so if this actually works I can also use the UI for that device
Good luck with getting it to work!
Dympy.
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Thanks. Right now I want to cut as much out of Android so I can free up some RAM for Debian. I think it's running slow because Android is nicking all the RAM.

Impressive!! Good Luck With Your Work

Hillbeast maybe can You give us some info how to install and run debian on our G3 to test it a little? can you upload your files, I mean install.sh, boototheros etc? It will be nice to try it

djmaxis said:
Hillbeast maybe can You give us some info how to install and run debian on our G3 to test it a little? can you upload your files, I mean install.sh, boototheros etc? It will be nice to try it
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Once I have finished fiddling with it I will package it up. It's pretty massive.

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Debian??

ok so im noobish and before anyone rips me apart for even asking i did look it up and still dont understand...i have never used(or heard of) Debian but i see alot of pople talking bout running in on the g1 along side android..and im just wondering what kind benefiets is there to it.abd yea i kno im gonna get some greif for this but be gentel (ive seen dumber posts...ps2 emu..lol)
thanks in advance for not ripping me apart
hey i tried to PM you and says u have choosen to not recieve PMs...
I've noticed quite a few people have issues with the current debian how-to so perhaps since you are offering to help people over pm, you could draft up a friendly how-to to save yourself the onslaught of private messages
I know I would appreciate it as I would love a place to point co-workers/friends to for guidance instead of me just doing it for them...
resize debian image on windows
ive been researching this topic for some time now and have successfully installed the 750mb image but i cant seem to find any information on resizing the image on windows xp as i have only found information on resizing in linux.
also what additional programs can u install and run to utilize the debian os?
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248
there is an installer for debian. works great and easy. I really need somebody to make a working 1.5gig image. this would be greatly apreciated.
I recommend downloading (it's free) a ubuntu or kubuntu CD, these are the most popular linux distros that require basically no knowlage of linux or computers to run. My Grandma uses this and my grandad an avid windows fan for 10 years is considering switching. You could also dual boot (Windows + Ubuntu choice at startup) or use a virtual PC, though i personally don't like them.
Then you can follow the instructions to resize, I doubt there's a way to do it on windows and I find faffing around in windows command line harder than bash (linux command line).
as far as running it on your phone. There's a fair amount doable in command line if you get confident at that. Run it as a webserver, convert files to a format that android can run etc.
Also there's a large amount you can do with a window manager, although that's limited to the g1's fairly bad specs (most applications are designed for fast processors aka computers + Laptops)
Has anyone tried VLC yet?
i second this..if anybody has a larger image than the regular 750mb can u please upload it or message me thanks
4u2nv68 said:
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248
I really need somebody to make a working 1.5gig image. this would be greatly apreciated.
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as being the origanel poster here i dont know much of anything about debian but i have read some people have put vlc on g1 but its currently non operation(dont understand why u would want it if it wasnt working) again im just curious and b4 the post get off topic and anyone wouldnt mind talking to a noob PM and enlighten me on some of the beneifiets of running debian....thanks guiy xda has helped me alot. love this place full of g1 jedis!
XDA-Karma said:
Im just finishing up the image i will try to upload it but im not sure how or where too anybody can help me please!! it will be 3.5gig
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[Q] Ubuntu or Windows 7

I've been reading up on this subject ... I really want to try Ubuntu but I hear it has major bugs ...which on in y'all opinions do you prefer and why?
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i recocmend u try a dual boot its actually really easy if u follow the instructions.
i installed ubu about 3weeks ago and i love it because u can customize it to no end and it really dosnt have that many bugs.
i installed inside of windows and did a 20gig partition so its defiantly not my daily, but its still fun to mess around with.
and if you need help with the installation feel free to pm me.
You can try the live image, to test if it suits your purpose. Also, you can use virtual machine to install ubuntu with Windows to test it.
Id reccomend the liveCD or as mentioned running in a virtual machine if your pc can handle it.
This will allow you to explore Ubuntu without any major bugs or chances of wiping your hard drive
Personally i prefer Windows for a development environment, but Ubuntu has its advantages.
I suggest you to choose windows, the best ever, ubuntu is good but not like windows
I have test Linux one times per Year. I will never love it. I use Windows since 3.1. Linux/Ubuntu is not Windows. If you know how windows work use this.
Tri boot OSX Lion, Arch Linux, and Windows 7.
Ubuntu is bloated, and Unity is TERRIBLE.
actually ive been hearing really good things about linux mint isadora its pretty much the same as ubu but has a cleaner overlay and more user freindly.
arch linux just has way more repositorys than ubu and arch linux is more complicated to install.
man the geek radar just went off the charts with that one lmao.
I'm standing at the edge on this one as well. I really like the way Ubuntu looks and how it operates, I'm just not 100% sold yet.
it is what it is, its a love hate relationship with me i love the open source like android but i hate how it looks.
i would definitely recommend running it in virtual machine to try it first before you do any hdd partitions.
if you like mac youll probably like linux since mac is pretty much linux on steroids lol.
Bierce22 said:
actually ive been hearing really good things about linux mint isadora its pretty much the same as ubu but has a cleaner overlay and more user freindly.
arch linux just has way more repositorys than ubu and arch linux is more complicated to install.
man the geek radar just went off the charts with that one lmao.
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LinuxMint is based off of Ubuntu, but, is much more user-friendly for beginner Linux users (comes will all codecs and what not pre-installed, saves having to play around with the Package Manager, etc).
With Linux, there are several different desktop environments. KDE, is the Windows look-a-like, so, choose a KDE version if you prefer and are used to the Windows layout.
I suggest to the OP to go to http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php and download the DVD edition. Burn it to a blank DVD disc, put it into the computer and restart, and start trialling Linux from there (yes, it's that simple). To get the best of both worlds, dual boot (we can help you with that if you're having difficulty ).
It's entirely up to you though. There are advantages and there are disadvantages for choosing one over another. But, there is a learning curve to Linux. It isn't like Windows and you'll just be asking yourself for a recipe for disaster if you just go straight in and expect it to be the same.
man i almost crapped myself the first time i installed ubu i did it without anyones help and the first time i did it i did what u said and restarted with the dvd then hit escape for options then somehow crashed my system it seriously took 2hrs for my computer to restore its self after that one but thankfully it did. once it fully booted again i just popped the dvd into the tray and ran wubi installer on my desktop and i was done in about 5min i was seriously punching myself on that one lol.
also if u dont have any blank dvds laying around im pretty sure you can use daemon tools to mount the iso if your installing inside windows like i did.
If you have to ask then I suggest Windows 7 (if you have sufficient hardware). If you're interested in getting to know Linux then Ubuntu, Mint or any other variation of Ubuntu would be best. Granted there are better distros out there but they require a fair bit of knowledge.
Someone suggested Arch to a noob!?! Why not Slackware??
I'm running Lubuntu on an old machine only because XP is too heavy for it. Bottom line as a Desktop I still like Windows (let the hazing begin...)
heres kde or kubuntu in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyEx3hVTGDk&feature=related
and heres ubu in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFCnNs8jbgw
both are not my videos fyi
just out of curiosity has anyone got tethering to work on ubu 11.0.4 because for me itll recognize the ssid but will never connect to it usb tether works fine though.
ApplesRevenge said:
Id reccomend the liveCD or as mentioned running in a virtual machine if your pc can handle it.
This will allow you to explore Ubuntu without any major bugs or chances of wiping your hard drive
Personally i prefer Windows for a development environment, but Ubuntu has its advantages.
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Hi, everyone has his/her own taste of OSs (and any other things ), so I suggest you should answer by yourself.
In my oppinion, there no bug in Ubuntu. One difficult thing when using Ubuntu is: it cannot run our Windows software (for instance: MS Office, IDM, WinRar, etc)
You can try Ubuntu by use Live CD (download from ubuntu.com) or install it in dual mode. This way you can use Ubuntu w/u effecting your Win 7.
Enjoy.
I think window 7 is really good. Relatively easy to operate.
for common use windows,
for developing, ubuntu

PC emulation on Android - OS XDA project links.

So in this thread it tells you how to install pc operating systems like windows and linux on the Evo 3D.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459153
This, is freaking awesome. This one is a big breakthrough.
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Here is the thread in the Nook Color forums for ubuntu on the device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055954
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These two threads are native installs, not using some client to access the installation, the device itself is the client as it should be.
This is not some chrooted virtual OS simulation, but the real deal installed to the device.
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In the back of my mind i've wanted to play with ubuntu installed on the MT4GS, but not a virtual installation I want it installed and running on the device natively.
I definitely don't have the time to do this and a lot i'm trying to do around here even if I wasn't in my busy season for work.
Dropping this information so I can find it later when I do get to trying to get ubuntu (and now windows XP looks like a possibility) installed on this device.
If anyone else feels like looking into this, here's a good place to start. If anyone comes across any other projects that are the real deal and not virtual installs please post links here.
Have fun!
Blue6IX said:
So in this thread it tells you how to install pc operating systems like windows and linux on the Evo 3D.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459153
This, is freaking awesome. This one is a big breakthrough.
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Here is the thread in the Nook Color forums for ubuntu on the device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055954
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These two threads are native installs, not using some client to access the installation, the device itself is the client as it should be.
This is not some chrooted virtual OS simulation, but the real deal installed to the device.
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In the back of my mind i've wanted to play with ubuntu installed on the MT4GS, but not a virtual installation I want it installed and running on the device natively.
I definitely don't have the time to do this and a lot i'm trying to do around here even if I wasn't in my busy season for work.
Dropping this information so I can find it later when I do get to trying to get ubuntu (and now windows XP looks like a possibility) installed on this device.
If anyone else feels like looking into this, here's a good place to start. If anyone comes across any other projects that are the real deal and not virtual installs please post links here.
Have fun!
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Regardless of what impression you may have, it is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to run MSWin on ARM hardware natively. The reason for this is that MSWin is x86 and ARM is... ARM. The approach used in the first link is to use BOCHS (pronounced "Box"), which is a VIRTUAL HARDWARE EMULATOR. It requires a host operating system to be functioning in the background, in this case Linux.
As for Ubuntu... well sure. No problem. Its Linux and the phone runs Linux. Not that big of a stretch to replace the Android parts with GNU.
Note that NONE of this is any kind of "great breakthrough". Bochs has been around for a VERY long time. First OPEN SOURCED in early 2000. Yeah, 12 years ago. As for Ubuntu... well I suppose that the main reason that most people aren't making a native android replacement out of ubuntu, is that not many people are all that interested in it. Cute in theory, but not practical.
What would be a more worthy project would be to upgrade android to GNU libraries and utilities. This would afford us an actually USEFUL balance between the two. Also the ability to run X *through* android without having to do stupid things like VNC. Have the proper interface ***AS AN ANDROID APPLICATION***, leaving Android to work (i.e., phone calls, etc.) while simultaneously offering the standard Linux applications.
My thought though, is that this is becoming less and less important. Firefox is on Android now, the Document foundation has announced LibreOffice for Android -- supposed to be by late 2012 to early 2013... GIMP has no place on Android... That certainly covers the basics.
Appreciate the post. I didn't have time to dig into it too deeply, so took it at face value for the impression I got. Happened to come across it in passing and didn't want to lose track of something vital to the future dev of a project like this on the doubleshot. (but definitely this doesn't belong in the dev section at this time - just clutter there.)
I was hoping people would add to it, especially the way you have, who had more of an understanding of what's going on there - I didn't realize that it was a virtual environment for the windows stuff, but it did seem to good to be true.
Even if no one responded I figured the thread would get pushed down out of the way, but still be here when I got the time to come back to it.
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My reason for running native linux on the device itself is to be able to use the Android SDK and tools without needing a computer to do so. I have 2 of these phones and a Nook Color. The NC has USB host support, so I could plug the doubleshot into it without frying either device. (yes, i'm blending android and linux concepts here - but usb host support in android shows that it's capable of doing it)
Even from one doubleshot to the other I could use wifi adb for a lot of stuff without plugging them into each other through USB and frying the phones. So that would be a victory as well.
The lack of a hardware charging circuit in the doubleshot makes the worry of frying the phones a big deal, power transfer through USB is a big hurdle to jump in management.
Beyond that - the doubleshot is powerful enough on hardware specs to be able to compile a kernel, but that's not gonna happen through a virtual linux install because the overhead is too much. A native install might just be able to do it though. Won't know until I try, but it's worth the work to get to the point of trying, even if it doesn't work out.
The Nook Color probably won't be able to compile a kernel - it's asking too much from a device not really able to handle that.
Getting what I mentioned above to work would mean I could do all my dev work with what fits in my pocket, and let me keep working wherever I am.
I do like the idea of an app to work with this through Android itself - but I don't see how I could use the SDk and variety of user-created tools without a native linux install. Worth pursuing either way though.
If anyone has anything to add, i'd be welcome to hear it. Just understand this is not a project i'm working on or actively pursuing right now - but fully intend to down the line.
Actually blue. There is a thread somewhere that has a step by step on installing ubuntu on gingerbread. I meant to add it when I added the backtrack link. For some reason I didn't, I probably forgot, I actually think the link for it is in the backtrack thread in the sticky.
If I do find it ill let you know.
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Ubuntu, Fedora 12, Mint 8, Mandriva Linux 2010, OpenSUSE, and others! (?)

Okay gang,
Getting my feet wet with Linux -or soon will be, but just not sure where to start. I can obviously get the versions listed in the thread title without any issues, just not sure which one to begin with. For obvious reasons, I'm looking to learn Linux for use on Android development, and potentially beyond that scope. But, I'm asking for input and/or direction as to where to begin. Albeit, I'm slightly overwhelmed by the variations surrounding Linux as an OS, I just want to be certain that I'm choosing an appropriate starting point with my self-taught approach.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Okay gang,
Getting my feet wet with Linux -or soon will be, but just not sure where to start. I can obviously get the versions listed in the thread title without any issues, just not sure which one to begin with. For obvious reasons, I'm looking to learn Linux for use on Android development, and potentially beyond that scope. But, I'm asking for input and/or direction as to where to begin. Albeit, I'm slightly overwhelmed by the variations surrounding Linux as an OS, I just want to be certain that I'm choosing an appropriate starting point with my self-taught approach.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Go grab unbuntu, it is by far the best desktop experience and has the most support for android development, plus it is debian under the covers (in other words very stable).
http://www.ubuntu.com/download
jimbridgman said:
Go grab unbuntu, it is by far the best desktop experience and has the most support for android development, plus it is debian under the covers (in other words very stable).
http://www.ubuntu.com/download
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Will second that .....
Also recommend to do this will make it closer to a windows (new ubuntu panel is crap)..... If you like mac I can give you code to make it close to that os.....
After you install run this command from terminal sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback log out then click
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
then pick
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Will second that .....
Also recomend to do this to get menu more like windows.....
After you install run this command from terminal --- sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback ---- ..... log out then click
then pick
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Heck just run Gnome 3... it is much better than unity and it is now part of the standard ubuntu install, just select it from the login screen the very first login, or log out and then select it from the login screen.
I personally use Gnome 3 and I love it.
jimbridgman said:
Go grab unbuntu, it is by far the best desktop experience and has the most support for android development, plus it is debian under the covers (in other words very stable).
http://www.ubuntu.com/download
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Thanks Jim,
I was just at B&N picking around through the Computer/Software Dev section and thought, "If I'm ever going to do this, I need to DO this!" I noticed several Ubuntu reference and starter books, as well as a slew of others relating to the many Linux versions. Headed to another book store now to see what I can find. May need to just come to terms with coughing up the $50 bucks for the more in-depth read on Ubuntu... thanks for the input!
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jimbridgman said:
Heck just run Gnome 3... it is much better than unity and it is now part of the standard ubuntu install, just select it from the login screen the very first login, or log out and then select it from the login screen.
I personally use Gnome 3 and I love it.
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Yea gnome is by far the best imho..... Did not realize gnome was on install just did one yesterday and had to add gnome shell????? better update my live cd.....:good:
Apex_Strider said:
Thanks Jim,
I was just at B&N picking around through the Computer/Software Dev section and thought, "If I'm ever going to do this, I need to DO this!" I noticed several Ubuntu reference and starter books, as well as a slew of others relating to the many Linux versions. Headed to another book store now to see what I can find. May need to just come to terms with coughing up the $50 bucks for the more in-depth read on Ubuntu... thanks for the input!
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Go to half price books... just find a basic linux book.. no need for one specifically on ubuntu. All the commands and stuff are the same, it does not matter the version or distro.
Here is a good free start commands..... I got tons in bookmarks Will post more if you need..... This is also useful wiki Ubuntu_Precise
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Go to half price books... just find a basic linux book.. no need for one specifically on ubuntu. All the commands and stuff are the same, it does not matter the version or distro.
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I found nothing for Ubuntu at Half Price Books, only Linux and Win-d'ohs ones. There was a pretty thick book for Ubuntu at B&N that came with the install disk. Looked pretty comprehensive in content, so maybe I'll scoop that one up as well as a "Linux for Dummies"-type reference, since clearly that last part would be applicable to me!
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I'm right there with you I need to start learning Linux/Ubuntu and android as well maybe then I can contribute something useful
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I found nothing for Ubuntu at Half Price Books, only Linux and Win-d'ohs ones. There was a pretty thick book for Ubuntu at B&N that came with the install disk. Looked pretty comprehensive in content, so maybe I'll scoop that one up as well as a "Linux for Dummies"-type reference, since clearly that last part would be applicable to me!
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That is all you need is a linux book... forget about ubuntu or mandrivia or whichever distro it is... just think about all the distros like a stock rom built by someone different.... they are all the same underneath just packaged up and looks a little different, but still android underneath it all.
No need to a get dummies book... those are the worst they are really like crash notes from when you were in school, they give you enough to pass a test, but you really don't learn anything.
Get a book similar to this:
http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Com...?ie=UTF8&qid=1341699303&sr=8-1&keywords=Linux
And this:
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-...?ie=UTF8&qid=1341699303&sr=8-8&keywords=Linux
Same book And in kindle form:
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-...ie=UTF8&qid=1341699303&sr=8-10&keywords=Linux
This one too:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Linux-Com...ie=UTF8&qid=1341699303&sr=8-16&keywords=Linux
Those are couple of decent ones.
Big thing about the guide books for a lot of people they are in greek hard to understand..... First you should get some basic terminology down..... not many people just jump into Qt4 python whatever..... This might help to translate some of those terms you will come upon Basic_Terminology
And there is the ubuntu community forums that are a god send.....
hankbizzo5 said:
Big thing about the guide books for a lot of people they are in greek hard to understand..... First you should get some basic terminology down..... not many people just jump into Qt4 python whatever..... This might help to translate some of those terms you will come upon Basic_Terminology
And there is the ubuntu community forums that are a god send.....
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Can you suggest some good forums I can join to get so "non-n00by" about the basics, and eventually get some good info/direction when I get a bit more familiar?
Jim, hankbizzo5, I appreciate all of your insights with this quandary.
Here you go almost anything you could ever need to know Ubuntu is here..... start here
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Here you go almost anything you could ever need to know Ubuntu is here..... start here
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Thank you, hankbizzo5! (Limited to 8 'thanks' per day? What is that?) lol I appreciate your help...
hankbizzo5 said:
Here you go almost anything you could ever need to know Ubuntu is here..... start here
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I agree ubuntuforums is a great place to check out.
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Thank you, hankbizzo5! (Limited to 8 'thanks' per day? What is that?) lol I appreciate your help...
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No prob..... did you download the live cd yet?????get it here :highfive:
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No prob..... did you download the live cd yet?????get it here :highfive:
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No, I haven't downloaded yet. I need to take a look at my laptop, and see how much free space I have, and how much I need for Ubuntu. I may have to clean up my hard disk first. But, that it on my agenda for today! I will be traveling this week for work, so I should have plenty of time to dig into this and get myself somewhat familiar with it!
Best solution:
1) Get Ubuntu ISO (desktop i386 is fine, there's no requirement to get the AMD64/x64 version, none whatsoever, and there are always some issues with x64 versions - people will say there aren't but, after dealing with Linux since it first came out and Slackware 1.0 nearly 20+ years ago, I'm not kidding). Best source for the torrent (and fast to download) is here:
http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Ubuntu/precise/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
2) Get Wubi from here:
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer
Wubi is a tiny Windows executable that allows you to "install" Ubuntu into a folder - literally the full entire OS is installed inside a folder (it'll be \Ubuntu in the root directory unless you choose a different location with the installer). The purpose of Wubi is to allow you to "install" Ubuntu without mucking up your system:
Note: the Wubi.exe file is also included inside the Ubuntu 12.04 ISO but some people either aren't aware of it or don't know how to extract a file from an ISO (WinRAR can "read" ISO files just fine if you use it). I gave the direct link to Wubi for download because on occasion it is updated and could fix a bug or whatever that was in the original version included on the distribution media, aka the ISO. Ubuntu 12.04 came out in April so it's been out awhile now, best course of action is get the direct download version of Wubi from the link I provided.
What it does by installing into a single folder is allowing you to continue using Windows as you want, and if you get the urge to do some Ubuntu work, you reboot the PC, choose Ubuntu in the boot menu (it does not install GRUB into the Windows bootloader, it just adds an entry to point to the folder where Ubuntu is which has a chainloader GRUB bootloader which THEN kicks in - your Windows bootloader is never altered or changed in any way).
You then "boot" into Ubuntu, do all the necessary setup since it's the first boot, set up the user account/password, etc, and it'll reboot of course when the updates are installed and you choose Ubuntu again, etc. Or back in to Windows, it's your choice.
Now, the beauty of all this is simple: it doesn't require partitioning the hard drive since you're installing into a single folder. Wubi does ask you for the size of the installation, and depending on the free space you have it'll make a suggestion, but a full complete installation of Ubuntu 12.04 will be about 4.8GB after all the updates and patches are installed, so if you choose something like 12GB for the installation size, you'll be fine for a very long time to come. You could install every Linux dev tool there is, every compiler, IDE, etc, and you'd still have gigs to spare.
Anywho, the final grand aspect of this is that if you get sick of Ubuntu, decide it's not for you, or you just flat out give up on it (you probably won't given your posts so far), you can run the Wubi installer once more from inside Windows (obviously), and click Uninstall and wham, in about 3 seconds, Ubuntu is gone, completely, with no trace of it aside from the Wubi installer and the Ubuntu ISO if you keep it around.
That's it. That's the simplest way to use Ubuntu on a PC - this is a better method in the long run that using a VM because you're not dealing with a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) and you get direct "bare bones bare metal" work on Linux/Ubuntu.
If you choose to take the Virtual Machine route, VirtualBox is the recommended VM app. VMWare Workstation or Player is nice also but hugely bloated stuff, and they both leave 5 services running in the background even when the main application isn't running - VirtualBox is clean, has nothing running when it's not, and is very lean and mean on resources. Takes longer to get set up than using Wubi but, the primary benefit with using a virtual machine is you run both OSes at the same time, no rebooting to one or the other is necessary.
And VirtualBox has excellent USB support nowadays (USB 2.0 also) so it's entirely possible to do all your learning and experimentation with Ubuntu in VirtualBox and get things done just as easily without having to dual boot.
Hope this helps, but if you need more info just ask, someone will cough up the info.
Thank you for the info, br0adband!
This sounds like what I was thinking of doing, since I do have a Win-d'ohs OS PC laptop and don't really want to go full Linux on the thing. I was also concerned with the whole "dual boot" thing. I'd like to be able to have both OS's running at the same time -eventually. However, I don't really mind having to reboot from Ubuntu to get back to Win-d'ohs, or at least that's my thinking at this stage in the game. That may change, however.
Once I get up and get myself a bucket of cowboy coffee, I will start messing around with my PC laptop, and see what measures I need to have in place to get Ubuntu up and running before I leave town for work this coming week. I'd like to have everything I need (as far as setup) completed by this afternoon, so I can start familiarizing myself with Ubuntu over the next several days.
I appreciate the help, and I hope you, Jim, and hankbizzo5 won't mind if I pester you all occasionally with some "nooby" questions about all of this!

How To Run Windows on Android!

I made this video to show all of you guys some cool novelty stuff.
If you're going to watch the embedded video, turn subtitles on. If not, go here.
This video shows any user, not just Cyanpeople how to run Windows 95 on your phone.
Also, please comment for any concerns or other things.
Unfortunately, there is a lack of commentation on a lot of my "development" threads (boot animation creation and such) that I am slightly discouraged in doing these things. So, please, comment or thanks! or both.
So here's the second video I promised. It shows a basic installation of a program and hardware acceleration settings. In Limbo, you mount an .iso to the CD drive. I recommend using Ubuntu to compress the .exe that you need into that .iso file, it's fast and easy. It's how I installed Daggerfall
If you want the original on YouTube, go here.
Bump, still no comments. I kinda was hoping to get some feedback, but alas, just like at my workplace, I am taken advantage of.
I don't find it useful to me but nice to see this. Great job and hope you find other things to develope. Thanks for your hard work.
Cheers
afcrib said:
I don't find it useful to me but nice to see this. Great job and hope you find other things to develope. Thanks for your hard work.
Cheers
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Thanks, man! :good:
thanks for this @AndrMatr , will give it a go. pretty much computer illiterate ; lol , but we'll see.:good::thumbup:
"all i can really do , is stay out of my own way and let the will of heaven be done"
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thanks for this @AndrMatr , will give it a go. pretty much computer illiterate ; lol , but we'll see.:good::thumbup:
"all i can really do , is stay out of my own way and let the will of heaven be done"
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If you need any help with computers (hardware-wise) I can help. It's what I went to college for.
Nice thread. This is a QEMU emulator. I had tested this before in my old Note N7000 and was.. well.. a gimmick. A QEMU emulator is capable to run an emulated x86 architecture over an ARM device, there's no proper driver for video, hardware aceleration, camera, sound (some emulators have this working but pretty buggy), sensors, etc. It just loads a barebones Windows with almost all capabilities disabled. Just forget to run Microsoft Office on it or navigate via web or play DOOM on it. Yes, you can run even Windows 7 on it (I've seen a jailbroken iPad with this working).
Anyway, is good to see that people like you expands what QEMU emulator is, as just a few knows what this emulator can do.
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Nice thread. This is a QEMU emulator. I had tested this before in my old Note N7000 and was.. well.. a gimmick. A QEMU emulator is capable to run an emulated x86 architecture over an ARM device, there's no proper driver for video, hardware aceleration, camera, sound (some emulators have this working but pretty buggy), sensors, etc. It just loads a barebones Windows with almost all capabilities disabled. Just forget to run Microsoft Office on it or navigate via web or play DOOM on it. Yes, you can run even Windows 7 on it (I've seen a jailbroken iPad with this working).
Anyway, is good to see that people like you expands what QEMU emulator is, as just a few knows what this emulator can do.
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Actually, Daggerfall runs smoothly now and the sound works I installed Abiword, too. Runs fine.
Bump, thanks everybody for their support! I will be uploading more videos soon, it will be in an edit so stay tuned and/or subscribe!
Alright, that second video is up in the first post like I said it would. enjoy!

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