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When (if) gingerbread is released, will it be the last update?

I'm wondering what you guys think. Will the gingerbread update be the last official update the g2x gets? Or do you think it will get ice cream sandwich and beyond?
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Officially? Who knows. But the fantastic devs will almost certainly release custom roms the will go beyond gingerbread.
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The alpha omega update? This was the case with the HTC shadow, just 1 update, it's first and last.
Any way what would be great and keep our G2x top of the line and extend it's life would be if nvidia were to release driver updates for the CPU/GPU, as they do for their PC graphics cards.
Nvidia is awesome at releasing timely updates of their video drivers, hopefully they consider doing it for their tegra chips.

One of the key points of doing a stock Android is to have a constant stream of releases. Once the bugs are worked out....updating to the most current android should not be a lot of new work.
The G2x has enough horsepower to run many more updates than just one or two

If not then it will be ported.
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I hope we do get more updates.
The thing is that LG is new in this game and I really hope they start doing best practices from other businesses, maybe Nvidia can help them push a little as well as T-Mobile to keep releasing updates even though that T-Mobile is less than likely to push them since they want to sell the last new thing.
But yeah, if they wise they'll and really care about their customers and want to position theirselves as one of the smartphone companies then they'll have to have the updates coming.
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Honestly I don't understand why this phone couldn't get multiple updates. I thought the whole reason for it having basic Android was so that it could be easier to udate. As well, rumor mill has it that later versions of Android are going to require a dual core, well this phone has everything under the hood for it to have a long shelf life. I hope they do right by this phone.
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Didn't the big phone companies recently promise Google they'd update their phones on a timely (regular?) basis.....

ickster said:
Didn't the big phone companies recently promise Google they'd update their phones on a timely (regular?) basis.....
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For the first 18 months after release. Its part of their contract with Google and the open hand set alliance.
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I think it remains to be seen if this phone is even a viable product. Will the phone ever be back in stock and saleable from T-Mo?
If a jillion more G2xs are sold then we will see many updates and a bunch of dev support. But, if the phone is never brought back then we are stuck in a dead end with a failed experiment.
I believe LG's future as trusted top-tier brand is at stake, but I'm still not certain they'll ever get it right.

If this update fixes all the issues and allows tmobile to resume selling their stock, than it will probably see more updates.
If after all this time they still can't get it right, and tmobile refuses to sell their stock? She'll be dead Jim. Of course this is all speculation... Nobody knows.
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People act like this is lg's first android phone ...I'm thinking the only way we get limited updates is of the merger goes through
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It'll be just like the g2, numerous updates because it's stock android...oh wait, nvm.
My guess is GB will be the last update.
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laker666 said:
People act like this is lg's first android phone ...I'm thinking the only way we get limited updates is of the merger goes through
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They have made a lot of second tier also-ran Android phones, but this is their first attempt at a serious smartphone contender in this market.

squish099 said:
For the first 18 months after release. Its part of their contract with Google and the open hand set alliance.
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Then we should see updates until September of 2012, no?

Spyvie said:
They have made a lot of second tier also-ran Android phones, but this is their first attempt at a serious smartphone contender in this market.
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And?
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laker666 said:
And?
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And... it remains to be seen if LG is ultimately capable of producing and supporting a top tier Android smartphone. Right now the answer to that question is no.

Spyvie said:
I think it remains to be seen if this phone is even a viable product. Will the phone ever be back in stock and saleable from T-Mo?
If a jillion more G2xs are sold then we will see many updates and a bunch of dev support. But, if the phone is never brought back then we are stuck in a dead end with a failed experiment.
I believe LG's future as trusted top-tier brand is at stake, but I'm still not certain they'll ever get it right.
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Crack smoking dreaming. The G2x is still being sold, that the actual web-store of T-Mobile does not have any instock is meaningless. They still are supporting their distribution channel, so those partners are not feeling left out in the cold. Amazon, Wirefly, Costco...they all still sell them. It is lame, very lame to define selling the phones from T-mobile as just via their webstore.
If you were selling phones for T-mobile as a third-party vendor, would you be happy that T-mobile hoards the supply? Or would you raise the price to make your vendors prices seem much better than they could do directly.
Thinking that LG that makes lots of phones, is going down by the simple fact that a backlight turned up to max brightness shows some bleed. Turning to max brightness in a darkroom even to watch movies is not likely.
Users already report that custom ROMs fix most if not all the software caused problem.
So your theory is that LG can not duplicate, or even outright use as basis other coders solutions to fix the problems. What are you 15?

Actually I'm 48, I've been working in IT since the early 90s and I haven't smoked any crack in months.

People keep fliping out on the G2X and calling it a failure. Here's a secret. Less than 1% of all the G2X's sold have been returned to TMO, I would say that's pretty awesome and does not signify any major issues. People are not screaming about the Sidekick 4G being a major flop even though you can't get it in stores or on the web right now either. It's called product shortage. The manufacutrer produced to little to keep up with the demand and that is unfortunate.
As for the long term upgrade viability of the phone, being a stock Android phone I see this phone having a nice healthy span for at least the next 18 months whether by Tmo and Google or through the Developers. The hardware can support it so there will be nothing stoping it.

Droid prime to soon

The droid prime is suppose to be the successor to the droid charge, that's my problem with android. The charge just came out a couple of months back, and yet to receive a major update! What samsung should be doing is updating there flag ship phones first, there just selfish, knowing people will continue buying there new products they just leave us to rot. these phones come out way to fast, can we get a chance to enjoy the phone with gb first? The prime will probably be out before we even get gb smh. HELLO SAMSUNG AND VERIZON, THE DROID CHARGE IS ONE OF YOUR FLAGSHIP DEVICES, UPDATE TO THE LATEST SOFTWARE!, THEY RELEASE A BUGGY PHONE FOR NEARLY 600$ AND I GOT MINE FREE! JUST IMAGINE IF I WOULD'VE PAID I'D BE REALLY PISSED. bottom line is the droid charge is a great phone and I want to use it to its full potential before I upgrade to a newer device.spread the word care for your customers
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So would you rather they release buggy software prematurely to fix a buggy phone? They've been working on GB (and it's been leaking), which is why I've been enjoying GB for well over a month. Anyways, what you're upset about is the way the cell phone industry tends to work. They're not going to stop updating their model lines just because they haven't put out an update for existing models yet.
Just imagine how Thunderbolt owners feel.

Correction: Droid(Nexus) Prime time is a Nexus successor.
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phone envy is frequent for me personally
whenever a new phone comes out i get pissed i bought my previous one
but honestly the prime and charge have little connection to each other...if the prime is a nexus phone then basically its a samsung designed phone that google does the software for, so it would have no impact whatsoever on touchwiz updates for the charge
samsung has submitted dozens of builds to verizon and from what i can see each one gets better and better
is it annoying that there is no official gb yet? sure but the same could be said for the fascinate or even worse no official FROYO for the continuum
vzw and samsung combo equals slow updates
its a reality of buying from those two and its not a secret (droid branding or not)
the thunderbolt doesnt have official gb either fwiw nor the lg lte phone
i personally have an inc2 and wont be pissed when the vigor comes out (same time frame inc2 launch to vigor vs charge launch to prime)...granted i have several upgrades and will probably just go pick that up too

The Droid Prime is likely NOT to be a Nexus device (or else it would have the Nexus name). It's software will most likely be managed by Verizon, rather than Google, and probably carry all of the crapware we've all come to know and love hate.
Phone dev cycles seem to be roughly bi-annually to quarterly, depending on the software and hardware available. At any given time, any one dev shop (HTC, Samsung, wherever) will be simultaneously be working on at least 2 software versions for any given device (as evidenced by the lower build date on the Fascinate's initial GB leak compared to the final FroYo leak).
And to pick some nits with the OP:
supposed, their, they're, their, too

Thank you BGR for starting the DROID Prime rumor. NO ONE knows what the device will be when it shows up, when it will show up, or much of anything else about it. We have a few unconfirmed details, but that is it. The people that do know what the device will be called aren't talking. Also, just because it is labeled with DROID doesn't mean that it won't be a Google Experience Phone. Unless you have physical proof of what you're talking about, it would be great of everyone to stop with the DROID Prime rumor until the actual device name is announced.

Another thing is, touch wiz 4 is out.so why aren't we going to get the latest update of touchwiz? Thats just bs, if you have updated software, update your damn your damn phones to the latest software! Whats an update if there not updating the ui
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juanzr1 said:
Another thing is, touch wiz 4 is out.so why aren't we going to get the latest update of touchwiz? Thats just bs, if you have updated software, update your damn your damn phones to the latest software! Whats an update if there not updating the ui
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Could be that features of TW4 require something specific to the SGS2 phone. Or, Samsung doesn't want to back-port it on their own. Either way, nothing you can really do about it.
If you buy a car, and they change the features on the next model year, do you go and complain to the car manufacturer/dealer like this? You're spending significantly more than $600 for a new car, so I'd hope so...

Smells like buyers remorse in here.

There's a thread like this one in every phone's forum on XDA without exception.
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imnuts said:
Could be that features of TW4 require something specific to the SGS2 phone. Or, Samsung doesn't want to back-port it on their own. Either way, nothing you can really do about it.
If you buy a car, and they change the features on the next model year, do you go and complain to the car manufacturer/dealer like this? You're spending significantly more than $600 for a new car, so I'd hope so...
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They have the software, and its not hardware that I'm complaining about, but software updates like touch wiz 4 should even be on the fascinate, and no buyers remorse here since I didn't even buy the phone. Its just how it should be, but no problem, I will get the samsung prime knowing they won't be able to improve the next gen devices by alot.the wave of android phones will slow down significantly. Peace xda family
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charlie_c said:
Smells like buyers remorse in here.
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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Coming to the Charge from the Fascinate I knew damn well that this would happen but I took it anyway as it was the best option (and still is... LOL bionic), and I don't regret it at all... if you haven't figured out by now that there's gonna be a new phone out every six months or so thats 10 times better than your current one then you must be new to android... I know it must take a lot to try and update the tons of phones a carrier has on each cell provider, making specific coding changes to get it to work with the individual phones hardware and whatnot so I don't mind and will be more than happy to burn an upgrade or drop some money on the new beast thats out at the time

imnuts said:
Also, just because it is labeled with DROID doesn't mean that it won't be a Google Experience Phone. Unless you have physical proof of what you're talking about, it would be great of everyone to stop with the DROID Prime rumor until the actual device name is announced.
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Exactly. Motorola Droid, anyone? Google Experience phone(even though I don't remember if it had any of the Verizon bloatware)
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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That includes quite a high percentage of people on this forum...lol

Is there any confirmation that the Prime is even going to be released on Verizon?

DirgeExtinction said:
Exactly. Motorola Droid, anyone? Google Experience phone(even though I don't remember if it had any of the Verizon bloatware)
Your right, hopefully droid prime gets pure google like the motorola droid did
That includes quite a high percentage of people on this forum...lol
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juanzr1 said:
The droid prime is suppose to be the successor to the droid charge, that's my problem with android. The charge just came out a couple of months back, and yet to receive a major update!
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Buy an iCrap if you want boxed up updates with a nice bow and personal nametag.
juanzr1 said:
THEY RELEASE A BUGGY PHONE FOR NEARLY 600$ AND I GOT MINE FREE!
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I DID pay for this phone and am in no way pissed at samsung or verizon. You got the phone for free, so shut your mouth and count your blessings.
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there just selfish, knowing people will continue buying there new products they just leave us to rot
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Technology changes faster than a retards underwear.
Also, aren't the samsung droid charge devs on xda? What updates aren't you getting
Last thing....
Your problem with android is superior technology and forward motion?
I guess im confused.
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juanzr1 said:
Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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Buyer/owner, whatever...my point was that you sound like you don't want the phone in its current state. I'm running a Gingerbread ROM with the TouchWiz 4.0 launcher. If your biggest complaint is the lack of those two things, they've both been available for those willing to put them on the phone themselves.

juanzr1 said:
They have the software, and its not hardware that I'm complaining about, but software updates like touch wiz 4 should even be on the fascinate, and no buyers remorse here since I didn't even buy the phone. Its just how it should be, but no problem, I will get the samsung prime knowing they won't be able to improve the next gen devices by alot.the wave of android phones will slow down significantly. Peace xda family
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It's called technology ... it's moving forward. Once the phones catch up to the current technology, the onslaught of phones will stop ... just like you stated. The fact you even brought this up, about a phone that details about the phone aren't even released yet. Much less even said to be released on the Verizon network ... is redundant in itself. You're a troll, and must be treated as such. I would ignore any comments this moron makes just for the simple fact he's moaning about a device he may not even see. Not to mention ... Droid Charge isn't even Verizon's "flagship" phone. That would be the Bionic. Have a nice day.

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It's called technology ... it's moving forward. Once the phones catch up to the current technology, the onslaught of phones will stop ... just like you stated. The fact you even brought this up, about a phone that details about the phone aren't even released yet. Much less even said to be released on the Verizon network ... is redundant in itself. You're a troll, and must be treated as such. I would ignore any comments this moron makes just for the simple fact he's moaning about a device he may not even see. Not to mention ... Droid Charge isn't even Verizon's "flagship" phone. That would be the Bionic. Have a nice day.
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Hater, your the troll I just said what was on my mind about the manufacturer never said the droid charge wasn't a great phone so how am I trolling, I dislike people like you who come on the forum just to talk smack about a person's thoughts, speak on the subject not about me you punk.have a good day, you need it.
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Twice as good(better) than g2x

http://www.tmonews.com/2012/02/t-mo...lg-g2x/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Looks promising
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really not a fan of the g#x name scheme

Sounds good. I sure hope they don't screw up with it as they did with the G2x.
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I have no faith in that future lol.
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mt3g said:
I have no faith in that future lol.
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so if lg had not hand in making this device with the above specs it would soundssomewhat promising.

dligon said:
so if lg had not hand in making this device with the above specs it would soundssomewhat promising.
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The 720p & 21mbps thing also lg should be stepping their game up lol... I'll be going for specific processor chips from now on, I'm tired of the run around lol. Don't want to have to rely on awesome devs to support us.
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Not to be overly cynical, but I think this might be the reason LG hasn't outright said they will upgrade our phone to ICS. I fail to see how this new one would be such a cut above ours other than it will be sporting ICS. And yes, I know that LG has stated they will upgrade the O2X and they are basically the same phone so let's stay off of that merry-go-round.
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It will be hilarious if the next phone to that is G8x. G8 in Chinese sounds the same as the male part. Some believe it the reason why Canon skipped PowerShot G8 and directly to G9.

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It'll be called the Optimus 3x, and the T-mobile version will be the G3x, because of the Tegra 3.
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Not to be overly cynical, but I think this might be the reason LG hasn't outright said they will upgrade our phone to ICS. I fail to see how this new one would be such a cut above ours other than it will be sporting ICS. And yes, I know that LG has stated they will upgrade the O2X and they are basically the same phone so let's stay off of that merry-go-round.
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Quad core processing, will have at least a gig of RAM, so twice as much RAM, 100% faster processing times. Not to mention a 4.7 inch screen, real 720p HD screen and 21 mbps radio instead of 14.4.

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It'll be called the Optimus 3x, and the T-mobile version will be the G3x, because of the Tegra 3.
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That makes way more sense than G4x.
However, I am an LG owner scorned. It's either iPhone or Nexus device for me.
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darbear5610 said:
That makes way more sense than G4x.
However, I am an LG owner scorned. It's either iPhone or Nexus device for me.
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Amen
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This is a very tempting phone. But it's just hard to put all your cards in LG and nVidia again.

I will buy g4x, the screen on g2x look way better than Samsung and HTC phones, hopefully g4x will have nice and easy to clean screen.

If only it didn't say lg on it. Smh
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With Samsung dominating the Android phone market, it would be wise for LG to pull a Hyundai. Meaning, institute a 3 year update Guarantee on all phones going forward. Basically, within 3 months of a major release of Android (Think Eclair->Froyo->Gingerbread) you are Guaranteed the update, or you get a full refund on the price of the phone(What you paid for the phone when you bought it, granted you actually have to contact LG before getting the refund) That way you know that when you buy an LG phone you are assured you will have an updated phone. Sounds crazy? People said a 10 year warrantee was crazy, but Hyundai is doing pretty damn awesome right now. And 3 years worth of updates isn't asking for a heck of a lot.
Imagine the impact this would have on the industry? If successful, this would force HTC, Samsung, Motorola and other manufactures to get their stuff together and support phones instead of slight upgrades throughout the year (Think Droid3->Droid4 and Atrix->Atrix2, as well as the Myriad of phones related to the original EVO 4G).
It'll take a true leader to show this industry changing innovation, and someone who isn't a foolish corporate pig to pull it off. I just don't know if any corporation that makes our beloved phones have the courage or the scruples to actually try this.
Imagine, even as a sheeple consumer, seeing on a phone 3 year update guarantee on a big sticker on the box. Most would wonder what makes that special, and on the back can be a section explaining how most phones are forgotten a couple months after release, but if you get an LG phone, you are guarenteed your money back, if your phone isn't updated to the newest OS within three months of release. Then it could go on about how the updates help security and stability with the phone, as well as better support for future apps.
Could turn LG's business around. But what do I know? I just put out good ideas while the execs at LG release a highly anticipated phone only to have it fall on its face and walk away from it pretending it never happened, leaving it's customers high and dry...they clearly know what they are doing. Put me in charge of LG and I promise that they will be the smartphone leader in 2 years (any LG people listening ;P )

That's not wise at all…. LG will never ever guarantee that, considering android is developed by a different company. Who knows if future iterations of android will require significantly more power. Google's own Nexus One isn't even being updated to ICS, and that was only 2 years ago. Also LG will never be able to sell any low or mid range phones, considering they don't have top of the line hardware to begin with.
Then if LG fail to deliver their promise based on the first point, they have to essentially buy back 2-3 year old hardware they had already sold at their original price.
That idea is ludicrous and there is a reason it hasn't been implemented.
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With Samsung dominating the Android phone market, it would be wise for LG to pull a Hyundai. Meaning, institute a 3 year update Guarantee on all phones going forward. Basically, within 3 months of a major release of Android (Think Eclair->Froyo->Gingerbread) you are Guaranteed the update, or you get a full refund on the price of the phone(What you paid for the phone when you bought it, granted you actually have to contact LG before getting the refund) That way you know that when you buy an LG phone you are assured you will have an updated phone. Sounds crazy? People said a 10 year warrantee was crazy, but Hyundai is doing pretty damn awesome right now. And 3 years worth of updates isn't asking for a heck of a lot.
Imagine the impact this would have on the industry? If successful, this would force HTC, Samsung, Motorola and other manufactures to get their stuff together and support phones instead of slight upgrades throughout the year (Think Droid3->Droid4 and Atrix->Atrix2, as well as the Myriad of phones related to the original EVO 4G).
It'll take a true leader to show this industry changing innovation, and someone who isn't a foolish corporate pig to pull it off. I just don't know if any corporation that makes our beloved phones have the courage or the scruples to actually try this.
Imagine, even as a sheeple consumer, seeing on a phone 3 year update guarantee on a big sticker on the box. Most would wonder what makes that special, and on the back can be a section explaining how most phones are forgotten a couple months after release, but if you get an LG phone, you are guarenteed your money back, if your phone isn't updated to the newest OS within three months of release. Then it could go on about how the updates help security and stability with the phone, as well as better support for future apps.
Could turn LG's business around. But what do I know? I just put out good ideas while the execs at LG release a highly anticipated phone only to have it fall on its face and walk away from it pretending it never happened, leaving it's customers high and dry...they clearly know what they are doing. Put me in charge of LG and I promise that they will be the smartphone leader in 2 years (any LG people listening ;P )
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rauelius said:
With Samsung dominating the Android phone market, it would be wise for LG to pull a Hyundai. Meaning, institute a 3 year update Guarantee on all phones going forward. Basically, within 3 months of a major release of Android (Think Eclair->Froyo->Gingerbread) you are Guaranteed the update, or you get a full refund on the price of the phone(What you paid for the phone when you bought it, granted you actually have to contact LG before getting the refund) That way you know that when you buy an LG phone you are assured you will have an updated phone. Sounds crazy? People said a 10 year warrantee was crazy, but Hyundai is doing pretty damn awesome right now. And 3 years worth of updates isn't asking for a heck of a lot.
Imagine the impact this would have on the industry? If successful, this would force HTC, Samsung, Motorola and other manufactures to get their stuff together and support phones instead of slight upgrades throughout the year (Think Droid3->Droid4 and Atrix->Atrix2, as well as the Myriad of phones related to the original EVO 4G).
It'll take a true leader to show this industry changing innovation, and someone who isn't a foolish corporate pig to pull it off. I just don't know if any corporation that makes our beloved phones have the courage or the scruples to actually try this.
Imagine, even as a sheeple consumer, seeing on a phone 3 year update guarantee on a big sticker on the box. Most would wonder what makes that special, and on the back can be a section explaining how most phones are forgotten a couple months after release, but if you get an LG phone, you are guarenteed your money back, if your phone isn't updated to the newest OS within three months of release. Then it could go on about how the updates help security and stability with the phone, as well as better support for future apps.
Could turn LG's business around. But what do I know? I just put out good ideas while the execs at LG release a highly anticipated phone only to have it fall on its face and walk away from it pretending it never happened, leaving it's customers high and dry...they clearly know what they are doing. Put me in charge of LG and I promise that they will be the smartphone leader in 2 years (any LG people listening ;P )
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You, sir, are a genius.
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Yeah, basically same thing that was said about Hyundai, thanks for proving my point! "How can you support a car for 10 Years?!?!" And honestly, ICS really should've been release for the Nexus One. Low end phones going forward will be at about the level of the G2x and the original Transformer (Look up ZTE Tegra2 phone, it's considered a mid-level 2012 phone). Besides, this could be offered only to premium handsets.
Also, you assume that 100% of the people will actually take advantage of the warranty. Reality is about 12.5% actually use the warranty on products. I actually learned 30% in marketing, and in my 10 years in corporate business, it's actually more like 12.5%. Better marketing, vs at most 30% of people taking advantage of it (unrealistic)
The idea isn't ludicrous, it just saddens me that their are such self-limited minds out there.
alphs said:
That's not wise at all…. LG will never ever guarantee that, considering android is developed by a different company. Who knows if future iterations of android will require significantly more power. Google's own Nexus One isn't even being updated to ICS, and that was only 2 years ago. Also LG will never be able to sell any low or mid range phones, considering they don't have top of the line hardware to begin with.
Then if LG fail to deliver their promise based on the first point, they have to essentially buy back 2-3 year old hardware they had already sold at their original price.
That idea is ludicrous and there is a reason it hasn't been implemented.
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Hands on video
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On T-Mobile & Needs new phone

So I'm coming from the T-Mobile G2x and wondering what good phone I should get? Something fast, has ROMS, etc. Do you know of a phone getting released for T-Mobile? Should I wait till a new phones gets released? Let me know I can be patient. :good:

From what I've seen only the One S and SGSII are worth it atm.. T-Mobile usually releases a lot of new handsets during Q3

nanosp said:
From what I've seen only the One S and SGSII are worth it atm.. T-Mobile usually releases a lot of new handsets during Q3
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I wish good phones like the Attrix HD or the Razor Maxx from Motorola was on T-Mobile because I would really buy those phones. And wow Q3, that's supposedly when the ICS comes out for the G2x.

I have the amaze awesome phone if you like sense and stock otherwise don't get it. I'm wanting to upgrade but my recommendation is to wait.
1. T-Mobile aws bands are being upgraded to lte.
2. T-Mobile is refarming their 1900 band for hspa+ meaning you can bring almost any phone you want. Domestic and international. And the iPhone as well.
1. Is to be deployed by 2013 maybe complete 2014.
2. Is to be deployed by end of this year maybe complete 2nd quarter 2013
So you can either get something temporary or wait it out
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I have the amaze awesome phone if you like sense and stock otherwise don't get it. I'm wanting to upgrade but my recommendation is to wait.
1. T-Mobile aws bands are being upgraded to lte.
2. T-Mobile is refarming their 1900 band for hspa+ meaning you can bring almost any phone you want. Domestic and international. And the iPhone as well.
1. Is to be deployed by 2013 maybe complete 2014.
2. Is to be deployed by end of this year maybe complete 2nd quarter 2013
So you can either get something temporary or wait it out
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Oh wow! I knew they were upgrading their bands but I didn't know about the 1900 band for HSPA+ so you can bring "almost" any phone I want. Thats awesome!! But my memory is not so good on remembering these stuff but is Q2 is March?

richie390 said:
Oh wow! I knew they were upgrading their bands but I didn't know about the 1900 band for HSPA+ so you can bring "almost" any phone I want. Thats awesome!! But my memory is not so good on remembering these stuff but is Q2 is March?
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Yeah around there that could be start of 2nd quarter or could be the end of it who knows
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richie390 said:
I wish good phones like the Attrix HD or the Razor Maxx from Motorola was on T-Mobile because I would really buy those phones. And wow Q3, that's supposedly when the ICS comes out for the G2x.
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Considering that you want to Rom and mod Motorola is the last company you want any part of. Grab up a Galaxy SII or a Nexus and be glad that you can get such goodness. I'd recommend that you look at the Sony Xperia P as well.

GS3 is current top of the line. I personally don't like it that much and think it's worth waiting. No idea what's next for T Mob but the next Nexus is always an option.
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The Janitor Mop said:
GS3 is current top of the line. I personally don't like it that much and think it's worth waiting. No idea what's next for T Mob but the next Nexus is always an option.
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Yeah next nexus or the g3 as well. Plus I hear the gs3 is having ppl lose their imei
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HTC One S is the best phone you'll be able to get on Tmobile.

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Considering that you want to Rom and mod Motorola is the last company you want any part of. Grab up a Galaxy SII or a Nexus and be glad that you can get such goodness. I'd recommend that you look at the Sony Xperia P as well.
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Whats wrong with ROMing with Motorola?
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HTC One S is the best phone you'll be able to get on Tmobile.
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Yeah I heard S2, OneS, and Nexus are good phones. But after what fcpelayo said I might just get a phone around September to October.

richie390 said:
Whats wrong with ROMing with Motorola?
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The fact that Moto and VZ find new ways to screw with us after every single update. Trust me, you do not want a new Motorola if flashing Roms is your thing. The Droid 2 and X are the last ones seeing heavy development. Check the available Roms for the Razr and then look at older Droids and newer HTCs and other phones on VZ. Heck, I think the S3 might have more Roms than the RAZR already.
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SG3, Note, Galaxy Nexus (get from play store for $350 (until the injunction sets in again), sign up with $30/month 100min 5gb t-mobile prepaid, save $1000 over two years, win).
Next Nexus (with which you can implement the pre-paid plan) and next Note (which with you might not be able to) will also be coming out within a few months.

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The fact that Moto and VZ find new ways to screw with us after every single update. Trust me, you do not want a new Motorola if flashing Roms is your thing. The Droid 2 and X are the last ones seeing heavy development. Check the available Roms for the Razr and then look at older Droids and newer HTCs and other phones on VZ. Heck, I think the S3 might have more Roms than the RAZR already.
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Ahh sounds like LG. But new phones always gets the development these days.
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SG3, Note, Galaxy Nexus (get from play store for $350 (until the injunction sets in again), sign up with $30/month 100min 5gb t-mobile prepaid, save $1000 over two years, win).
Next Nexus (with which you can implement the pre-paid plan) and next Note (which with you might not be able to) will also be coming out within a few months.
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Well the plans Im not worried about but I'll look into it more. Now I'm hearing so much about the next nexus, is it good? Wow phone decisions is hard lol

richie390 said:
Ahh sounds like LG. But new phones always gets the development these days.
Well the plans Im not worried about but I'll look into it more. Now I'm hearing so much about the next nexus, is it good? Wow phone decisions is hard lol
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We know nothing about the next Nexus as of now. Only thing we've heard is that there may be multiple Nexus phones from different manufacturers. That's a may. And yep, phone decisions are tough. Once you accept that no matter what device you get it will be outdated within 4-6 months, you learn to not take it too seriously.

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We know nothing about the next Nexus as of now. Only thing we've heard is that there may be multiple Nexus phones from different manufacturers. That's a may. And yep, phone decisions are tough. Once you accept that no matter what device you get it will be outdated within 4-6 months, you learn to not take it too seriously.
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Thats true, and I accept it. But can I ask you guys do you guys prefer the 3 button (Back - Menu - Search)[I think] phones or the 4 button (Menu - Home - Back - Search)?
Because for some reason these nexus and new phones seem to come with the 3 button, and Im not a fan of it.

richie390 said:
Thats true, and I accept it. But can I ask you guys do you guys prefer the 3 button (Back - Menu - Search)[I think] phones or the 4 button (Menu - Home - Back - Search)?
Because for some reason these nexus and new phones seem to come with the 3 button, and Im not a fan of it.
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Personally, the new button arrangements don't make much sense to me. I prefer what my Sensation has: Home, menu, back, search (and in that order, too; I have never understood placing menu before home, it's the damn home button it should be first). I don't get the arrangement that phones like the One X have: back, home, recent apps. The only button I don't use on my Sensation is search, so I think the proper 3-button arrangement should be : home, menu, back. A recent apps button is pointless because I find that long-pressing home in order to view recent apps (like on my Sensation) works perfectly. Removing the menu button also makes no sense because it was a useful button.
The removal of menu was effectively based on Google's push to move away from it, which I find dumb. But it ultimately isn't that big a deal and even though I don't like the new button arrangements I wouldn't let that deter me from new phones.

New note is using a quad core exynos lte support as well.
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The Janitor Mop said:
Personally, the new button arrangements don't make much sense to me. I prefer what my Sensation has: Home, menu, back, search (and in that order, too; I have never understood placing menu before home, it's the damn home button it should be first).
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I use the menu button a while heck of a lot more than I do the home key. Menu gives you options everywhere, including inside apps ; home exits to home or brings up recent apps. The menu key is probably more utilized for most users.
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One thing I want to point out here: the play store edition of the Galaxy Nexus will work on T-Mobile 4G, and you'll get a bring-your-own-phone discount. And, it's development is perhaps the best possible on any android device
Not as much power as the GS3, and a bit smaller screen, but better software and a bit higher PPI.

Samsung made me rage a little today

So today Samsung officially announced their new low-end phone, the Galaxy Music.
http://m.gsmarena.com/the_samsung_g...icial_has_a_dualsim_version_too-news-4921.php
Why did this make me rage? It has 850 MHz processor, and 512 mb of ram, and is running touchwiz ICS.
You know, the same touchwiz ICS that Samsung said is unable to run on our phone. We have a faster processor and the same amount of ram as this device, but they said it couldn't run on our device.
Why Samsung? Why would you lie to us?

Wow I agree
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still good news if someone is able to port the ROM to our phones.

The Nexus S has it, lots of other phones do with the same specs. It's who they decide to screw over and sadly our phones that get sold to the smaller carriers using the 1700 spectrum get left out. My old Alcatel phone got left at 2.1, while the new version that came out with identical specs but no slide out keyboard had 2.3. There is other phones at Wind (the Canadian TMobile) that got left behind too. Guess they don't sell enough to justify it or just don't care. lol.

getochkn said:
The Nexus S has it, lots of other phones do with the same specs. It's who they decide to screw over and sadly our phones that get sold to the smaller carriers using the 1700 spectrum get left out. My old Alcatel phone got left at 2.1, while the new version that came out with identical specs but no slide out keyboard had 2.3. There is other phones at Wind (the Canadian TMobile) that got left behind too. Guess they don't sell enough to justify it or just don't care. lol.
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The galaxy s line was one of the best selling android phones at the time. There were millions sold, enough the justify an update. This makes me want to stay away from Samsung, who's to say they won't give the same treatment to the galaxy s 3 or note 2 after a year?

"They" will. Once a phone is no longer "new" the carriers don't have incentives to pay the manufacturer to update the phone. The manufacturer has no incentive once the phone has faded to the point that it no longer can demand a high price from the carrier.
It's not a Samsung thing. It will be for any market players.
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Yeah this isnt something new look at what Motorola just did. They promised ICS to several devices and just went back on that. There is no implied or contractual standing that manufacturers have to provide a update beyond what the phone is shipped with. I know there is some agreements between Google and the manufacturers but with what Motorola just did its proof that is easy to get out of.
When you buy a pc do you get guaranteed updates to the OS for free? Im glad we have the ability to build our own versions and install on the devices.

Look at all the people that bought a brand new PowerPC Mac, then Mac switched to Intel/X86 chips. Sure, for the first year or so, they got updates and people made software for both PowerPC and Intel Mac's, but that faded quick and now the new MacOS's are Intel only and all new Mac software is for Intel based Mac's. People bought a $4000 Mac and got screwed 6 months later.
And as stated above, it's not just Samsung, as I said, my Alcatel got screwed up. They even promised a 2.3upgrade, then poof, nothing. Luckily a devoted XDA dev made a 2.3 for it, but again, it's in the hands of Devs, not the company.
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pisherthefisher said:
The galaxy s line was one of the best selling android phones at the time. There were millions sold, enough the justify an update. This makes me want to stay away from Samsung, who's to say they won't give the same treatment to the galaxy s 3 or note 2 after a year?
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Who's to say LG or HTC or Motorola or Huawi or whatever phone you go to, won't do the same thing with the new phone you buy that's not a Samsung.

This is exactly why I'm just going with the next nexus. Either that or the iPhone. Say what you want to about the iPhone but it simply works. It doesn't need custom rooms, hacking, or anything for it to just work smooth, fast, and have amazing battery life. I don't care if it doesn't have the same customizations..I don't spend my entire day customizing my phone. The only time I ever bother doing that is right after I flash a rom and after that I just use it..
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icy56 said:
This is exactly why I'm just going with the next nexus. Either that or the iPhone. Say what you want to about the iPhone but it simply works. It doesn't need custom rooms, hacking, or anything for it to just work smooth, fast, and have amazing battery life. I don't care if it doesn't have the same customizations..I don't spend my entire day customizing my phone. The only time I ever bother doing that is right after I flash a rom and after that I just use it..
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The problem is they get left out too. Siri comes out, won't run on older phones. Next year IOS 7 will be out and will have a bunch of new stuff that only works on the iPhone 5 and 6, and some things that will work on the 4G, and maybe a few things that work for the 4 and 3's. They leave people old in the cold with older phones just as much as Android does. Oh, let's make new phones "Retina" display, then make "retina" only new apps, anyone with a year old iphone 4gs, gets screwed because their phone isn't "retina".
Add that to having to jailbreak a phone just to install a 3rd party app, no thanks. Least we can check a box to install 3rd party apps, not jump through hoops. Despite the fact that jailbreaking is legal, Apple makes it harder and harder every time. Jailbreak your phone just to install an app that wasn't approved from the Apple store, then try and get service on the phone, even for a hardware problem and see the trouble you get.

You guys don't understand how these updates work.
Even if the specs are the same, sometimes is not possible to update. Why? Because the phone has to update from gingerbread to ICS WITHOUT a data wipe. Updates always keep your data intact. With only 512mb of RAM its not possible to patch on a brand new os on top of the old one and retain all of the users data.
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KiNG OMaR said:
With only 512mb of RAM its not possible to patch on a brand new os on top of the old one and retain all of the users data.
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T-Mobile did supply FOTA updates. It was quite possible to do it as they "reserved" the space in the OEM ROMs using a couple files in, as I recall, /data/fota/ which were recreated on boot if they did not exist.
One of the early "discoveries" of the SGS4G was that a user could recover something like 150 MB of space by deleting them and making the directory read-only.
I'm not sure why, within reason, the amount of RAM has much to do with the amount of user data. Only the system and system-app data would need to be migrated. Am I missing something in my thinking?
Edit: Credit may be wrong, but that was one of the earliest threads I found referring to it.

Its all about the money
Just wait for the Aries kernel. Don't even bother waiting for Samsung. AOSP based is better and honestly TouchWiz is nasty, so who cares?
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