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I did a small search but could not find anything.
Would it be possible for some smart developer to create new drivers/application for htc camera?
I mean iphone 4 has 5 megapixel camera just like htc hd2 however it can record 720p resolution videos. I will dear to say it quite good quality!!!
How come Leo can not do it? Is it possibly down to hardware as well?
720p video resolution is 1280x720 and 5mp stills are easilly 2x that?
so
1st: the 5 megapixel are for pictures only.
2nd: i think the Hardware of the HD2 is capable of 720p videos as it is the same camera as in the Desire/Nexus One...
3rd: as windows mobile doesnt support 720p video playback (i think so) i dont think that it could record it
if it is possible, then in android...
ruscik said:
I did a small search but could not find anything.
Would it be possible for some smart developer to create new drivers/application for htc camera?
I mean iphone 4 has 5 megapixel camera just like htc hd2 however it can record 720p resolution videos. I will dear to say it quite good quality!!!
How come Leo can not do it? Is it possibly down to hardware as well?
720p video resolution is 1280x720 and 5mp stills are easilly 2x that?
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He does sorta kinda have a good point
720p does not mean the quality is going to be better. it means that the resolution is going to be larger.
you can stretch a VHS video to 720p... but at the end of the day its still a VHS.
Its all down to the camera sensor. Thats why you can pick up a 12MP digi cam for £60 or a 10.1MP Canon 1DS Mk3 for £1700.
I know which one I would have...
Oberoth said:
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1st: the 5 megapixel are for pictures only.
2nd: i think the Hardware of the HD2 is capable of 720p videos as it is the same camera as in the Desire/Nexus One...
3rd: as windows mobile doesnt support 720p video playback (i think so) i dont think that it could record it
if it is possible, then in android...
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I know that about camera still shots being 5mp only. Windows not supporting 720p is partially correct. Windows media player does not want to play anything bigger then 800x640 while core player shouts at me at 1024x768 sp not short of 720p, it is obvious it's driver/codec/software issue only for playback. Did anyone try tcpmp for 720p playback?
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720p does not mean the quality is going to be better. it means that the resolution is going to be larger.
you can stretch a VHS video to 720p... but at the end of the day its still a VHS.
Its all down to the camera sensor. Thats why you can pick up a 12MP digi cam for £60 or a 10.1MP Canon 1DS Mk3 for £1700.
I know which one I would have...
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720p does mean quality will be better.
Resolution 640x480 is 307200 pixels per frame plus what ever colour depth so x16 for 16m and so on.
Resolution 1280x720 is 921600 pixels which is over twice as much data to be displayed on the same surface.
Single pixel size on 32" screen with 640 resolution will be much bigger and therefore have much less details then with 1280 resolution.
Twice as much data will have to equal better quality.
I know that camera sensor is very important, quite often more then MP value. However our sensor if good enough to catch twice the resolution of 720p and after all video is just a bunch of still images played one after another (a bit more in to that I know ).
On HTC HD2 there was a burst photo option. With registry edit you could tell it to make 20 pictures a second ad 1280x720p or something similar. Almost full frame late
With Android (today build) you can rec 800x480 video file
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With Android (today build) you can rec 800x480 video file
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is it real? how can i find this build?
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With Android (today build) you can rec 800x480 video file
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This would be true except there is no button on the HD2 to activate video recording (at least through the default android video recording facility. I'm assuming someone is working out how to remap one of the keys whilst in this program. It will happen though.
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This would be true except there is no button on the HD2 to activate video recording (at least through the default android video recording facility. I'm assuming someone is working out how to remap one of the keys whilst in this program. It will happen though.
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On the build I used, you simply press on the screen for 3 secs...
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On the build I used, you simply press on the screen for 3 secs...
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THATS ONLY FOR THE CAMERA DUDE LOL
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No it doesn't.
As he mentioned, you can stretch any video source to make it 720p or even 1080p or even go to 4k if you want.
It's up to the camera sensor to fill in the extra pixels to make it a high def image, if it can't then all you're doing is making 1 pixel use 2 pixels instead.
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No it doesn't.
As he mentioned, you can stretch any video source to make it 720p or even 1080p or even go to 4k if you want.
It's up to the camera sensor to fill in the extra pixels to make it a high def image, if it can't then all you're doing is making 1 pixel use 2 pixels instead.
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For one pixel to be used on two is upscaling. That is a software option and our camera for now does not have it. But even if camera would only do that to 10% of the extra spaces it has to fill the quality will be much better as that still means 10% extra data captured.
Pixel size in standard and 720p resolution is not the same. If the picture will be split it will also be compressed to fit smaller pixel keeping the same ammount of data mostly (this one we will not know until we try it) so when used on bigger screens there will be mroe detail there.
It is down to sensor to pickup everything at desired resolution and as long as we do not exceed 5mp still it does. What is the problem is speed that sensor processes the information, converts it to known format, sends it and stores it.
In other words how fast is the cpu that converts it, communication with cpu and memory, plus finally speed it can save it to card.
If you have an HD camcorder get it to record stock resolution, then get a class 1 sd card and get it to record 1080p. Compare the images.
At 1080p sensor will get all the pixels but will not be able to save them and it will be similar situation to what Leo camera will do. Without trying we will not know how much. Fact that Android can record at 800x480 should say it will be better as cam was instantly capable of that.
I am not working in video industry but I do a lot of editing and video processing from my, and my friends motorcycle cameras and other action cams. I know a thing or two about videos. Sometimes you do not need much improvement in camera to see a lot improvement in quality. It is all down to how much camera can save per frame.
I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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I think the quality is pretty good but the autofocus or shutter is a bit laggy. Reminds me of digital cameras 10 years ago....
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I think the quality is pretty good but the autofocus or shutter is a bit laggy. Reminds me of digital cameras 10 years ago....
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They don't look bad on the MT4G screen, but on computer - (especially if you zoom even a little) - not as good as N1...
Update - I checked settings and the the camera was set to wide, so it apparently just crops the pictures to fit, so what you get is about 3.3 mp. Change to to 4:3, and the resolution goes up to 5mp.
I will take a few pictures set this way and see how they compare.
How about we start posting pics in this thread to see what everyone is talking about.
Seeing is believing!
Here is a pic I took yesterday while watching bad boys 2.
*Edit* this pic is 2592 x 1456 which = 3.8 mp and it's set to widescreen, setting it to 4:3 standard gives you 2592 x 1952 which = 5.1 mp
That looks pretty good! No? Or can it be better?
myTouch4G (Glacier)
i dont think its bad at all
i went to the air show yesterday
and my dogs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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I don't know... I would easily trade ease of use (nice functions, dedicated shutter button, face recognition, LED flash) over many of the cameras, which may take slightly better photos.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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+1
I watched that video last night and I agree that the video and picture capability of the MT4G is great!
I think people just have to "try" to find something to complain about.
I LOVE THIS PHONE!!!
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I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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now i believe u lose some quality when u have widescreen mode on. uncheck it take a picture and compare the 2 pictures.
s10shane said:
now i believe u lose some quality when u have widescreen mode on. uncheck it take a picture and compare the 2 pictures.
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There wouldn't be any difference in quality. Widescreen is simply a normal 4:3 that is digitally cropped on the top and bottom. Therefore, of course there are few pixels (lower resolution).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Get better camera quality in the light. So that looked great...
myTouch4G (Glacier)
Has anyone connected their phone to an HDTv yet, to see what video quality/pictures look like?
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There wouldn't be any difference in quality. Widescreen is simply a normal 4:3 that is digitally cropped on the top and bottom. Therefore, of course there are few pixels (lower resolution).
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yeah but some people complained about the hd2 when it would tale widescreen mode pics that it isnt true 5mp it was 4mp and if u took off widescreen mode then it was true 5mp. so thats what i am going based off of. but i still think the pictures i take in widescreen mode on the mt4g are great in widescreen mode. i have no complaints
Is there any way to boost the frames per second for the video? I've been comparing photo and video quality pretty heavily with an iPhone 4, and overall the MT4G would be "better" IF the autofocus lag was fixed, and the fps for video was 30 fps.
I find the colors and auto-levels to be superior on the MT4G, but the fps thing is really annoying.
Looks like this camera has the same problem the G2 camera has.
Download the trial of Camera 360 and set the JPEG compression to a more reasonable level. The default camera app on the G2 compresses the everloving CRAP out of the pics and makes them look TERRIBLE.
I've taken some pics with the G2 camera via Camera360 that were remarkably improved over the stock Camera app.
The pictures at 4:3 were better, but the camera 360 pictures and features are better still. Can it be set up to open with the camera button?
Update - it must be the compression in the OEM camera app - would be nice if it could be turned off. The uncompressed Camera 360 shots are twice the size at the same resolution settings. When you look at them on computer screen and zoom in - big difference!
Hi today i was trying to record some videos on full 1080p and i noticed that the camera is very bad on this . I compaire to my nexus s that records 480p, Nexus s records better video even tough its not HD, what u guy think of the camera do u feel thet its 1080p or even 720p quality?
I think it's pretty darn good, though I do think it's better at 720 than it is at 1080. The Engadget review said essentially the same thing.
I have a Nexus as well, it's camera worked just fine also, just not as fine as the G2x camera does.
There is a thread around here somewhere with a number of G2x YouTube test videos in it, lemme see if I can find it...
ETA: Here it is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055611
i dont know i dont see it being better then nexus s, i'm recording it outside and when i move around and record the video becomes very bad starts dropping frames, i do the same with nexus s its very good , i think its just a marketing to just put 1080p on the box to sell phones.
This phone does 24FPS at 1080p but 30FPS with 720p. 720p should be smoother.
I did 720p too its smoother but the video looks blurred, and yes I cleaned the lenses
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I did 720p too its smoother but the video looks blurred, and yes I cleaned the lenses
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Could be just your phone. Mine is better than my Vibrant. Does Nexus S even have 720p recording? I thought it doesn't.
no the Nexus s is 480p but the videos look much better on my hdtv then G2X's videos
I never tried 1080p but 720p does a good job.
No issues here. Tried both resolutions.
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I dont know if anyone noticed but i tryed this took a picture with a backcover on 8mp (left) and with backcover off 5mp (right), with backcover on no matter how i clean the glass on the backcover in front of the camera the images and the video come blurry
I wonder if he is running on the unpatched stock rom and it is just slowing down
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I dont know if anyone noticed but i tryed this took a picture with a backcover on and with backcover off, with backcover on no matter how i clean the glass on the backcover in front of the camera the images and the video come blurry
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WOW what a difference.
You don't have an extra piece of shipping plastic over the lense do you?
no nothing on the plastic i made shure to clean realy good and still when i put it on it takes with a blurr but now withoth it its perfect , thats why my videos looked blury too now its off and i put it in a case withouth the backcover and still nice and tight. just try youself and ull see the difference. maan im heappy again
Maybe it's your phone. My video is better than it was on my Nexus and my Vibrant. I have shot videos in 720 and 1080.
really???
yall are noobs most of u dont kno what the hell yall talking nexus better than g2x camera quality?? lmao people that dont kno what the hell their talking bout need to stop posting stupid crap i have no problem with my g2x record up to 1080p and comes out great and 720p. if u aint up with technology go back to old school flip fones man
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yall are noobs most of u dont kno what the hell yall talking nexus better than g2x camera quality?? lmao people that dont kno what the hell their talking bout need to stop posting stupid crap i have no problem with my g2x record up to 1080p and comes out great and 720p. if u aint up with technology go back to old school flip fones man
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I agree, I have 2 full 1080p native res LCD tvs one Philips and one Panasonic. The G2x @ 1080p or 720p is the best camera with the smoothest video I have seen to date from a cell phone.
Be nice if the vids where in mp4 instead of 3gp but the camera quality if just the best there is.
Going to have a ball using it at the mothers day get together tomorrow lol.
Tested on 2 full 1080p native res TVs and my pc monitor wich is 32in @720p native res though.
The 2nd phone in video camcord quality will have to go to the samsung line up with the Vibrant for example. Vibrant owns the HTC phones Vibrant > G2 / MyTouch4G / Evo4G. HTC @ 720p was very choppy frame rate. Vibrant / G2x Constantly smooth. G2x with the edge being able to go up to 1080p
I Agree with THE VIBRANT CAMERA BEING SUPERIOR
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nystatus23 said:
yall are noobs most of u dont kno what the hell yall talking nexus better than g2x camera quality?? lmao people that dont kno what the hell their talking bout need to stop posting stupid crap i have no problem with my g2x record up to 1080p and comes out great and 720p. if u aint up with technology go back to old school flip fones man
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These posts are what makes people leave XDA.
If you read through the posts it appears this user has a bad plastic cover over the camera and was the cause of his initial opinion of the camera.
I see you have a tmobile tag. I understand that this is tmobiles new stance on treating customers but dont bring it here.
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I dont know if anyone noticed but i tryed this took a picture with a backcover on 8mp (left) and with backcover off 5mp (right), with backcover on no matter how i clean the glass on the backcover in front of the camera the images and the video come blurry
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I think you mean washed out. Take a look at what I did to the glass on my phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225902
The pictures look 100x better
By the looks of things, I would guess 60. I might be wrong though. I thought I would hate the video camera because of the lower resolution. I also expected it to be the usual low and blurry framerate of my previous phones. I was pleasantly surprised. One of the things I don't like about it is the lens is too wide angle for me. I prefer something closer to what the average person sees which is in the 50mm range (slr). It puts things too far away in the picture when I'm actually close to what I'm capturing.
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I believe that it is 30 fps.
Comparing this camera (photo and video) to my old HTC Evo is all the proof I will ever need that Megapixels don't mean crap!
HTC camera have always been crap another reason i dont like HTC anymore
lol even my friends thunderbolt 8MP takes horrid pics...he wanted it becasue it was 8MP and i told him doesn't mean ****. He didnt listen and made him eat his words when we compared pics side by side
but both were put to shame by his moms iphone 4 camera
Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Very interesting indeed. Still haven't bothered capturing at 4k as I don't have a display to do it justice. Might start recording and archive so come the time for a new TV I have some bright sharp memories to view.
I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong, the comparison is as valid as any comparison between 2 devices. It would be like saying you can't compare benchmarks between Note 3 and GS5, because GS 5 has CPU running at higher frequency.
The fact is Note 3 can record 4k video out of the box and can record higher resolution, sharper video, than any DSLR currently on the market, period. Of course those were done in full sun/ good light, in low light Canon would win hands down. You could also see blown highlights in Note 3 video, but never the less our phone has excellent video recording capabilities I bet a lot of people are not even aware off and you have to remember Canon 5D mark III has probably one of the best video recording capabilities among DSLR and was used in quiet few commercial video recordings you see on TV. Even thought some people dismiss this as useless gimmick, it was one of the reasons I got Note 3 and I record all video in 4k, mostly of my kids, for the future memories. Right now none of my computers can play 4k video smoothly and I don't even have 4k display yet, but all this will be rectified before end of this year. Funny thing is, it is Samsung pushing the envelope, where the hell is Sony, commercial and consumer video leader?
arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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Apparently you didn't see the video comparison, which clearly shows Note 3 video is much sharper, even on low resolution screen and apparently you never looked at benchmarks, clearly showing that everything else being equal, phone running at higher GHz will run faster most of the time, otherwise you wouldn't call it a myth. As far as low light goes, every camera sucks, it just a matter of how little is not enough. Canon 5d has full size sensor, which is almost as big as half width of the phone and this size sensor could not be fitted in a small phone and forget about optics required, never the less, with huge handicap in sensor size, much, much lower price and basic optics, Note 3 is competitive in good light. In low light it is much worse, but if you ever went to the movie set, just about half of the equipment is lights to improve exposure and they have cameras costing more than most people house, so yeah, good light is required for all cameras if you want good video.