Can't say I'm surprised: http://support.vzw.com/system_update/thunderbolt.html
No voicemail notifications and FFC issues. Wonderful. How did this pass VZW testing again?
Nothing against you but people have een crying about other devices getting GB first and how we are getting screwed and blah blah and now GB is finally just around the corner and people are going to complain again. Can't be pleased it seems. Just root and run a custom ROM that runs better than stock and it's smooth(er) sailing!
I am running a custom rom. My point is that it's been how long since we were promised GB? 4 months? Weren't we supposed to get it in June? You'd think they would at least be able to iron out the bugs with this long of a delay. It's the end of September and they can't fix voicemail notifications which have plagued every leaked build for months? That's a huge bug (especially since voicemail is a Verizon feature) and it hasn't been fixed yet. Come onnnnn.
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I am running a custom rom. My point is that it's been how long since we were promised GB? 4 months? Weren't we supposed to get it in June? You'd think they would at least be able to iron out the bugs with this long of a delay. It's the end of September and they can't fix voicemail notifications which have plagued every leaked build for months? That's a huge bug (especially since voicemail is a Verizon feature) and it hasn't been fixed yet. Come onnnnn.
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I see your point but I guess it all boils down to is GB worth not being notified of a VM especially with the other alternatives that are out there. With that said I do agree they should of made VM notifications work but I guess that means they will put out another update to fix that and other issues soon (hopefully).
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I see your point but I guess it all boils down to is GB worth not being notified of a VM especially with the other alternatives that are out there.
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I think what it really boils down to is the fact that VZW is releasing this buggy version as an OTA update, which will be rolled out to lots and lots of people who have never heard of ROMs or rooting or anything, and they will be stuck without voicemail notifications or a properly working front camera until VZW (I'm guessing) releases *another* OTA update later on to fix those problems. That's pretty bad customer service. I think they're just releasing it so they can (finally) actually stick to a release date, even if the release is buggy.
People who run custom ROMs won't have to worry about it too much but we are a small minority of all the people who have Thunderbolts.
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I think what it really boils down to is the fact that VZW is releasing this buggy version as an OTA update, which will be rolled out to lots and lots of people who have never heard of ROMs or rooting or anything, and they will be stuck without voicemail notifications or a properly working front camera until VZW (I'm guessing) releases *another* OTA update later on to fix those problems. That's pretty bad customer service. I think they're just releasing it so they can (finally) actually stick to a release date, even if the release is buggy.
People who run custom ROMs won't have to worry about it too much but we are a small minority of all the people who have Thunderbolts.
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This is true but nothing anyone can do about it. VzW will have to deal with all the customer service calls they get for lack of VM notifications then and that sucks for them.
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People who run custom ROMs won't have to worry about it too much but we are a small minority of all the people who have Thunderbolts.
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Actually, people who run custom roms WILL have to worry about it. Custom roms do not fix this problem. Using this phone for business it will be a HUGE problem...a liability problem.
I doubt they VM problem will be in this build thats pushing out whenever.
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Actually, people who run custom roms WILL have to worry about it. Custom roms do not fix this problem. Using this phone for business it will be a HUGE problem...a liability problem.
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You have usable, valid alternatives so it's not a make-or-break deal.
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This is true but nothing anyone can do about it. VzW will have to deal with all the customer service calls they get for lack of VM notifications then and that sucks for them.
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Those who don't use Google Voice or YouMail and so on should call and call and call to get VZW and HTC motivated enough to fix it quickly. Maybe that will motivate them enough.... On the other hand, I have to think fixing VM notifications, for whatever reason, must be extremely difficult. I really don't see either company releasing an update without seriously trying to have fixed this.
People who use the Thunderbolt but do not know about leaked RUUs will not know about the VM bug. They will see their phone prompt them to update and click accept just to get rid of it. If they're in the subway, underground, or a place with no reception and someone leaves them a VM, they will have no idea it's broken until their find out the good old hard way. As you said, VZW will have their hands full with custom complaints in a few days after the OTA hits.
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You have usable, valid alternatives so it's not a make-or-break deal.
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We were speaking specifically about custom roms, not 3rd party software. Everyone has access to those alternatives, whether its a custom rom or not.
Ahhh, yes, I overlooked that aspect of the issue. One won't KNOW they've rec'd a voicemail with this update.... I doubt people randomly check their voicemail to see if there's a new VM. People only do it when their phone tells them they have a VM waiting.
I really expected VZW to acknowledge this issue in their 'announcement' and to at least say "a minor s/w update will be released in the near future to resolve this".
Those are the details for the last ota update
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I doubt they VM problem will be in this build thats pushing out whenever.
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The build number is the same as the leak from the other day, so it's there. Let's hope they do change the build before they push it.
Is there a way to not accept the ota? And just prevent it from downloading on its own? My wife's phone is stock and unrooted
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So where's that new dock we were supposed to get with this OTA? I flashed it and nothing...
solarpolitiks said:
So where's that new dock we were supposed to get with this OTA? I flashed it and nothing...
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No new dock here either. I'm hoping the actual ota is different from this leak.
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Ahhh, yes, I overlooked that aspect of the issue. One won't KNOW they've rec'd a voicemail with this update.... I doubt people randomly check their voicemail to see if there's a new VM. People only do it when their phone tells them they have a VM waiting.
I really expected VZW to acknowledge this issue in their 'announcement' and to at least say "a minor s/w update will be released in the near future to resolve this".
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Use google voice. Problem solved!
Guys it's possible that voice mail and other things will work. The update according to them will be 147mb, much smaller than the full rom leak. As this is an "update" the camera and voice mail may work just fine.
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I doubt they VM problem will be in this build thats pushing out whenever.
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Wanna make a friendly wager?
5 bucks?
Send me your paypal.
I'll drop 5 that they do not have it fixed.
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"won't have to wait long for??"
Think we'll get this instead of 2.3.3? (Adds video chat to Google Talk, so most likely not on the Nexus One).
ref: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...e-video-chat-no-need-to-wait-until-google-io/
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"won't have to wait long for??"
Think we'll get this instead of 2.3.3? (Adds video chat to Google Talk, so most likely not on the Nexus One).
ref: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...e-video-chat-no-need-to-wait-until-google-io/
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"carl" seems to think so..... but my guess is sense its tmobile we will get 2.3.3 in july-august (even though they say june/soon)
and wont see 2.3.4 till mid fall....
but ill give a 9/10 for wishful thinking
Maybe not officially but CM7 will have this and other unofficial roms.
I'd rather get frequent steppings and options then 1 upgrade in a year.
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"carl" seems to think so..... but my guess is sense its tmobile we will get 2.3.3 in july-august (even though they say june/soon)
and wont see 2.3.4 till mid fall....
but ill give a 9/10 for wishful thinking
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Maybe so, but since they specifically say it's for video chat (ie. front facing camera) would make sense it would hit the G2x sooner rather than later (yes, yes, I know, I said "Make Sense" in regard to a Carrier). Would also explain why the G2X didn't hit with 2.3.3 with 2.3.4 in the wings.
Note: Google Tweet says this is heading to the Nexus One also
http://twitter.com/#!/googlenexus/status/63707554831806464
Android 2.3.4 OTA rolling out over the next few weeks! Has bug fixes for Nexus One, video chat for Nexus S. But a surprise is still to come!
I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
You purchase a phone with specific version....why is update required?
I think updates for bug fixes are required but fixes for improved features....not so much...
In that case I should call honda our chevy to get my updates....
In some cases the updates are promised in which case it should be given on schedule but when its not promised....just be glad they aren't charging for them like apple......
I don't see anyone "complaining" about not getting updates. It was a simple musing on an announcement.
androph said:
I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
You purchase a phone with specific version....why is update required?
I think updates for bug fixes are required but fixes for improved features....not so much...
In that case I should call honda our chevy to get my updates....
In some cases the updates are promised in which case it should be given on schedule but when its not promised....just be glad they aren't charging for them like apple......
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There's sort of an expectation when it comes to software that you'll get updates for at least 12 months after purchase. Maybe not new software outright, but at least be up to date with whats current.
But even then, this phone would benefit hugely from a software update and I do think it's up to Tmobile and LG to fix a few of the launch issues.
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I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
You purchase a phone with specific version....why is update required?
I think updates for bug fixes are required but fixes for improved features....not so much...
In that case I should call honda our chevy to get my updates....
In some cases the updates are promised in which case it should be given on schedule but when its not promised....just be glad they aren't charging for them like apple......
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No one was complaining, they were just speculating. Also, upon release the g2x was already "behind" in it's os version compared to some other phones, which creates even more of an expectation for a timely release of a new version.
Also, are you really from the camp where you expect NO additional features stemming from updates for your phone? If that is the case, you probably would be better off with a *phone.
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I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
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There's a difference between "wanting" one and "needing" one. This phone is buggy as crap. I'd love Gingerbread but I'd settle for:
- Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and a radio that get along.
- Bluetooth that remembers profiles.
- Not getting random reboots.
- Faster 4G than my old G2.
- A signal indicator that displays what the phone's actually doing.
There's more, but you get the idea.
androph said:
I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
You purchase a phone with specific version....why is update required?
I think updates for bug fixes are required but fixes for improved features....not so much...
In that case I should call honda our chevy to get my updates....
In some cases the updates are promised in which case it should be given on schedule but when its not promised....just be glad they aren't charging for them like apple......
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Probably because in most cases you have to sign up for a 2 year contract, which is like 5 years in techland. But that's just me.
Just an FYI, Google pushed the source and binaries for 2.3.4 to ASOP a little while ago.. and the signed update.zip for Samsung is available for direct download.
Sooner than we think may really be sooner than we think.
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Just an FYI, Google pushed the source and binaries for 2.3.4 to ASOP a little while ago.. and the signed update.zip for Samsung is available for direct download.
Sooner than we think may really be sooner than we think.
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With the code now in ASOP, I would imagine that it will be a part of the CM7 build that finally gets released for us.
Just read on twitter the update has been delayed to an unspecified date.
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miketoasty said:
Just read on twitter the update has been delayed to an unspecified date.
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Who posted it?
It's on droid life.
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Betting we get 2.3.4 on CM7 working flawlessly before this pushes...
deltwalrus said:
Betting we get 2.3.4 on CM7 working flawlessly before this pushes...
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One can only hope.
Shocking... :-|
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same old verizon. We are going to release it, with a big NOOTTT at the end. I can't believe they can't make up their minds about update, why even announce you are going to release it if you are having second thoughts.
Maybe they finally decided that the rebooted actual do happen! Maybe they are going to fix them before releasing a new update.... Nah.
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Thank God for rooting and custom ROM's. At least the dev's around here all care about pushing out quality updates for their stuff in a timely manner. Verizon can suck it.
TheStick13 said:
Thank God for rooting and custom ROM's. At least the dev's around here all care about pushing out quality updates for their stuff in a timely manner. Verizon can suck it.
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Quality or lack of is what I would assume the reason behind halting the update. At least Verizon Cates about pushing "working" updates.
I would rather wait for them to bang out the issues as opposed to them dropping every little piece of garbage that gets coded.
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lol, I'm sure there was a legitimate reason for delaying it. You guys act like they delayed it for no reason other than to make people angry.
Heelfan71 said:
lol, I'm sure there was a legitimate reason for delaying it. You guys act like they delayed it for no reason other than to make people angry.
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most definitely, maybe they realized the new radio was causing random reboots and thought that it might not be such a good idea to push that to the mass public...go figure
People are machines programmed to believe in their own importance above all other things. It follows that any event which (they believe) inconveniences them is, by necessity, either a conspiracy or a purposeful act of G_d. Anything else would deminish their perceived importance. Remember friends, the best way to find the center of the universe is to look in a mirror... now where is that sarcasm punctuation mark on my keyboard...
All I can find is that SAME article (Repeated over and over on a couple different websites) with that SAME screenshot, but no hard proof. @VZWSupport on twitter is still telling people it's rolling out so until something is proven to me that it is delayed, I'm gonna sit here waiting for my phone to update.
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All I can find is that SAME article (Repeated over and over on a couple different websites) with that SAME screenshot, but no hard proof. @VZWSupport on twitter is still telling people it's rolling out so until something is proven to me that it is delayed, I'm gonna sit here waiting for my phone to update.
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The screenshot is from verizon wireless and says its delayed. Also if you call tech support, they will tell you its delayed. How much more proof do you need?
You might be waiting a while..
Also to add, (pls take it for what you will, I trust my source and have no doubt there is some truth to this).
Verizon has delayed the tbolt OTA and a few others (over 10 others) due to issues with verizons system. There has been no mention of the tbolt ota or others having issues themselves. The biggest concern is not letting all the OTA's roll out to close together because it will jam the system. They are discussing which OTA's should go first by necessity and/or importance. They also say that LTE has been an issue and is part of the issues with verizons system.
So it seems that if the ota does roll out in the near future, it will not be changed (also since this is considered a maitenance update, they usually stay seperate from major updates such as o/s ones).
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/01/htc...ers-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-scheduled/
I look forward to the official update so the devs can get to work and this whole Ginger radio thing can be put to bed.
You would think so but you never know with HTC. Here is for hoping though.
bigd5783 said:
You would think so but you never know with HTC. Here is for hoping though.
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Very true. However, they at least have the sense overlay done (or so it would seem), so that leaves the LTE radio... that's about it.
*raises a glass to HTC*
Don't let me down *****es.
I am so jelous.
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Gingerbread will come out after the maintenance fix update that verizon & HTC are working on. The maintenance update is scheduled for this month so hopefully not to much longer for ginger...
Jrocker23 said:
Gingerbread will come out after the maintenance fix update that verizon & HTC are working on. The maintenance update is scheduled for this month so hopefully not to much longer for ginger...
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You say that pretty confidently. Do you have a good source of information? Just curious if you've got inside knowledge or if this is coming from the internet rumor mill.
Either way I hope you're right. I can't wait for some GB action.
Thanks!
Let's hope they fix it because my Bolt has been a turd. 5 random reboots yesterday.
playbeasy said:
You say that pretty confidently. Do you have a good source of information? Just curious if you've got inside knowledge or if this is coming from the internet rumor mill.
Either way I hope you're right. I can't wait for some GB action.
Thanks!
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I can say that it does come from verizon and its not your everyday cs rep or a store employee. I have known the person since I'm 5 (41 Now) and they have been with verizon 15 years and has worked his way up from tech to a nice position.
I can also add that they were looking into making the maintenance update part of the GB upgrade but were having issues with it so as of now they are two seperate ota's.
Im sure some of the devs here can check and see if this has any validity. I cant get him to confirm a GB date but he said nothing will be set for GB until current issues are dealt with..
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I can say that it does come from verizon and its not your everyday cs rep or a store employee. I have known the person since I'm 5 (41 Now) and they have been with verizon 15 years and has worked his way up from tech to a nice position.
I can also add that they were looking into making the maintenance update part of the GB upgrade but were having issues with it so as of now they are two seperate ota's.
Im sure some of the devs here can check and see if this has any validity. I cant get him to confirm a GB date but he said nothing will be set for GB until current issues are dealt with..
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Where have you been all my (Android) life?!
miketoasty said:
Where have you been all my (Android) life?!
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In my pants...
Been using multiple GB 2.3.3, and 2.3.4 roms, including alpha CM7, with very little issue. I would expect official release soon if I didn't know Verizon so well.
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The EVO has been out a longer than the thunderbolt, and its just now getting it. I'm not saying it will take that long for the tbolt to ft GB, I'm just saying don't get your heart completely set on getting it real soon. Who knows these days really..
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I hope it doesn't have the issues the Droid X has with the ota update that rolled out.
jakkzen said:
I hope it doesn't have the issues the Droid X has with the ota update that rolled out.
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All updates have issues so it's going to be pretty much unavoidable. Factory resets can generally clear up most of them though.
Ok guys so I might not seem "reputable" Ive always been more of an observer of the forums..instead of putting my 2cents in about everything..yes I work for a T-Mobile authorized dealer for the past 3yrs..4yrs @ Verizon b4 this.. every so often LG/Samsung/Nokia reps stop in.. today it was LG who I haven't seen since the g2x launch.. obviously I asked questions.. he told me that the g2x was written w/code for 2.3 to be updated soon after release.. the problem was the code was written wrong..and thats why the phone reboots..because it thinks theres an update so it shuts down..and it took an extremely long time to find where the problem was and write proper code.. they didn't want to take the chance of releasing an update without being 100% sure, obviously consumers wouldn't be happy with a faulty update..he continued to say it is absolutely a software issue..he also said the update will be in two parts.. the 1st is a software patch to fix the reboot issue and the 2nd is gingerbread. He took down my email address so he can send me the update when he gets it next week..so that way reps can test it out and start pushing it in stores.. in my opinion I don't see the update coming in the next few weeks to customers if an LG reps g2x isn't even updated yet..and is barely starting to roll out for reps to test out.. sorry for the long post..and once again..DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER! LOL
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Bang!!! Sorry had tooo
Cool if it's true, meh if it's not.
The only ones I trust less than CSR (as they are just telling all of us what they are told to say) is reps.... sorry just like salesmen if there mouths are moving they are lying.
Just putting this out there...I talked to the lawyer from the class action lawsuit. Its very legit. With that hitting Tmobile/LG if there ever was a real update(and I don't think there was) I bet it is now going to be even slower getting to us.
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sabo2000 said:
The only ones I trust less than CSR (as they are just telling all of us what they are told to say) is reps.... sorry just like salesmen if there mouths are moving they are lying.
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I definitely understand where your coming from..just wanted to pass on info.. but more then anything..I'm a customer as well..and I can't speak for any rep, but the only way I've been successful in sales for the past 7yrs is by being honest
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I am rep for technical care and I am currently testing the 2.3 rom on my personal G2X. From what I can tell so far, it is pretty much in the same state + some stability improvements that came with the leaked rom a couple months ago.
Hopefully this update won't mess up with my non-reboot G2x.
Seems like baseband patch first and OS the next.
Adam7986 said:
I am rep for technical care and I am currently testing the 2.3 rom on my personal G2X. From what I can tell so far, it is pretty much in the same state + some stability improvements that came with the leaked rom a couple months ago.
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what is the version number? v21?
why would we shoot
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Ok guys so I might not seem "reputable" Ive always been more of an observer of the forums..instead of putting my 2cents in about everything..yes I work for a T-Mobile authorized dealer for the past 3yrs..4yrs @ Verizon b4 this.. every so often LG/Samsung/Nokia reps stop in.. today it was LG who I haven't seen since the g2x launch.. obviously I asked questions.. he told me that the g2x was written w/code for 2.3 to be updated soon after release.. the problem was the code was written wrong..and thats why the phone reboots..because it thinks theres an update so it shuts down..and it took an extremely long time to find where the problem was and write proper code.. they didn't want to take the chance of releasing an update without being 100% sure, obviously consumers wouldn't be happy with a faulty update..he continued to say it is absolutely a software issue..he also said the update will be in two parts.. the 1st is a software patch to fix the reboot issue and the 2nd is gingerbread. He took down my email address so he can send me the update when he gets it next week..so that way reps can test it out and start pushing it in stores.. in my opinion I don't see the update coming in the next few weeks to customers if an LG reps g2x isn't even updated yet..and is barely starting to roll out for reps to test out.. sorry for the long post..and once again..DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER! LOL
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actually this makes sense.
1) people who have said their phones said there was an update after phone rebooted .. this has been mentioned several times so that part makes sense.
2) you are the second person from a different source today to mention an update for next week.
obviously its probably just getting to tmobile next week but at least thats something.
Let us know how it goes. if you dont see an internal update by next week than well know thats its probably not trust worthy. but what he said makes sense regarding the update stuff.
and hopefully the gb update fixes gps and wifi
thanks man at least its something.
Adam7986 said:
I am rep for technical care and I am currently testing the 2.3 rom on my personal G2X. From what I can tell so far, it is pretty much in the same state + some stability improvements that came with the leaked rom a couple months ago.
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Does it have the LG camera in it?
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Does it have the LG camera in it?
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No, which leads me to believe it is still the same update and I am desperately hoping I get that camera back because the stock camera is terrible.
richteralan said:
what is the version number? v21?
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Officially it is listed as V21e
@OP
Makes some sense, but at this point its just another rumor.
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Adam7986 said:
Officially it is listed as V21e
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Guess a lot of things fixed since the leak (v20n).
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Guess a lot of things fixed since the leak (v20n).
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I can say my battery life appears to be better, no random reboots yet.
I've also previously experienced what I call hibernate which is where I have to press the power key 12 times to unlock the screen. Seems to run a bit smoother as well.
Problems so far are the camera sucks now. When the screen goes to standby after I load a webpage and I unlock the screen, it reverts to the previous page.
I have had a few occasions where I have had to click a link like 10 times to get data to load the page. That all I've notices so far within the 24 hours I've been running the update.
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I can say my battery life appears to be better, no random reboots yet.
I've also previously experienced what I call hibernate which is where I have to press the power key 12 times to unlock the screen. Seems to run a bit smoother as well.
Problems so far are the camera sucks now. When the screen goes to standby after I load a webpage and I unlock the screen, it reverts to the previous page.
I have had a few occasions where I have had to click a link like 10 times to get data to load the page. That all I've notices so far within the 24 hours I've been running the update.
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This is not good. I havent got these problems with my current version.
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gps and wifi
Adam7986 said:
I can say my battery life appears to be better, no random reboots yet.
I've also previously experienced what I call hibernate which is where I have to press the power key 12 times to unlock the screen. Seems to run a bit smoother as well.
Problems so far are the camera sucks now. When the screen goes to standby after I load a webpage and I unlock the screen, it reverts to the previous page.
I have had a few occasions where I have had to click a link like 10 times to get data to load the page. That all I've notices so far within the 24 hours I've been running the update.
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do gps and wifi appear to be working ?
thanks for the info
richteralan said:
This is not good. I havent got these problems with my current version.
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Keep in mind this is a trial update to see what bugs we find, still in testing. Should be fixed by the time the actual update rolls out. I hope at least.
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do gps and wifi appear to be working ?
thanks for the info
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Just curious what is this GPS WiFi problems ?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-says-bootloader-unlock-tool-coming-gps-hard-yall
so, I know I personally am absolutely 100% enraged to read about this, since we still haven't heard anything about an official ota for NS4G.
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
Ya, it is a bit disturbing.
Well, the work week just started back up for them, so maybe we will hear something in the next couple days?
hp420 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-says-bootloader-unlock-tool-coming-gps-hard-yall
so, I know I personally am absolutely 100% enraged to read about this, since we still haven't heard anything about an official ota for NS4G.
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Sprint says we'll be "among the first" to updates, not "the first".
hp420 said:
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
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I'd be amazed if this is Google's doing.
Sprint's website says "It runs Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) the latest version of Android for smartphones." They're the ones that are clueopenic, not Google.
Don't get me wrong: I'm plenty annoyed at not getting OTA ICS. It's just that I don't actually expect Sprint to live up to their promises, since this is not something they've ever tended to do in the past. Sprint users go through this with every software update for every platform on every phone.
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Sprint says we'll be "among the first" to updates, not "the first".
I'd be amazed if this is Google's doing.
Sprint's website says "It runs Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) the latest version of Android for smartphones." They're the ones that are clueopenic, not Google.
Don't get me wrong: I'm plenty annoyed at not getting OTA ICS. It's just that I don't actually expect Sprint to live up to their promises, since this is not something they've ever tended to do in the past. Sprint users go through this with every software update for every platform on every phone.
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The update does come directly from Google. Sprint works with Samsung to create proprietary hardware drivers that contain everything you need to access Sprint's cell phone network. These drivers are then made available in binary only form to Google. Google then adds these drivers to their official build. The final product is then delivered directly from Google to your Nexus S 4G phone.
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this quote came from sprint community forums. http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/380145#380145
Sprint does NOT provide our update...google does. Google is falling behind, and they need to be held accountable for their screw-ups. Just because they didn't say "NS4G will be the first" does not make it acceptable for 3rd parties to get an update before they can even get off their lazy asses just to push a button for their OFFICIAL FIRST-PARTY USERS. Everything we need is on their server for download, and if devs here can get off their asses top compile this rom, google sure as hell can do the same!!!
No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
mstevens said:
No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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Source or GTFO. And we've already got the drivers, I'm using ICS on my NS4G right now. 4g and everything.
mstevens said:
No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
I'm not saying you're wrong, but in my opinion, it does not look like it's sprint's fault. It looks like Google is either lazy about releasing it, or they are too dumb to build a rom that's working properly so it's stuck in pre-release testing. However, this is just my opinion....but as far as actually building/releasing the OTA, that is 100% on google's end. whether or not the authorization is coming/has to come from sprint is another story entirely....the point is, if that is the case, google isn't doing their jobs and telling them to screw themselves so they don't look like the bad guy in this!! It's not sprint who will have the damaged reputation after this is all said & done.
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Source or GTFO. And we've already got the drivers, I'm using ICS on my NS4G right now. 4g and everything.
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<shrug> it's the way it's always worked.
This worked in our favor earlier when Sprint okayed deployment of Google Wallet on our devices and GSM users were foaming at the mouth to get it. In those cases, too, it wasn't Google (which has excellent reasons for getting Wallet into as many hands as possible) but the carriers which held up release.
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hp420 said:
lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
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No.
What is the connection between having all the files on the server and Sprint's approval of a final release version?
In your earlier quote lifted from another site, the poster was saying the updates are pushed from Google's servers, not Sprints. That's correct. However, they can't just start pushing updates without carrier approval. This is why, for example, T-Mobile got ICS before ATT.
mstevens said:
<shrug> it's the way it's always worked.
This worked in our favor earlier when Sprint okayed deployment of Google Wallet on our devices and GSM users were foaming at the mouth to get it. In those cases, too, it wasn't Google (which has excellent reasons for getting Wallet into as many hands as possible) but the carriers which held up release.
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No.
What is the connection between having all the files on the server and Sprint's approval of a final release version?
In your earlier quote lifted from another site, the poster was saying the updates are pushed from Google's servers, not Sprints. That's correct. However, they can't just start pushing updates without carrier approval. This is why, for example, T-Mobile got ICS before ATT.
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that was a result of carriers' investment in other companies that developed very similar software to google wallet....exactly the same as when the GN was delayed for verizon because google wanted wallet on their official device and verizon had a coronary about it because they had already backed another company's software that does exactly the same thing.
as for carrier approval, google can only wait so long before they just snap and push the update anyway. carriers can not make the rest of the world wait for an update just because they don't want it released to their devices yet. Google needs to just ***** slap sprint, tell them to shut the hell up, and push the update before this damages their reputation any more than it already has. Like I said, it won't be sprint whose rep is damaged from all of this, just like no one looks towards verizon for the GN delay...the world will blame google, and they aren't even standing up for themselves.
hp420 said:
lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
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Sure, they could build ICS for the NS4G but the 4G radio wouldn't work. Drivers aren't part of AOSP.
Also, didn't Google pulled the ICS update for the (tmobile) Nexus S? If that's still true, they're clearly working out the issues with ICS before releasing it to the NS4G, etc.
It is most likely *not* Googles doing. I don't know where half of you get these crack pot ideas from that Google or any other OEM is in control over how and when they push an update.
- OEM builds ROM
- OEM submits ROM to carriers (i.e. Sprint branded phone would require Sprint to approve the update).
Carriers can be total dicks about updates and providing OTA. I've seen it all first hand from when I had a Motorola Milestone (Motorola telling us the 2.1 has been built and has gone through testing but they are waiting for carriers to approve them on their networks) we had to waiting months for the updates due to some carriers.
nside said:
Sure, they could build ICS for the NS4G but the 4G radio wouldn't work. Drivers aren't part of AOSP.
Also, didn't Google pulled the ICS update for the (tmobile) Nexus S? If that's still true, they're clearly working out the issues with ICS before releasing it to the NS4G, etc.
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Driver binaries are on Google's servers for nexus devices. 100% built from source and 4g works just fine.....
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we are waiting for sprint to approve the new radio that will come with the ota. That is what causes the holdup.
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maybe Google is still fixing what does not go to ics now and then....maybe xD we can see ics on all nexus ^^
hp420 said:
that was a result of carriers' investment in other companies that developed very similar software to google wallet...
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Precisely. I'm glad you finally see my point that Google can't just push out an update because they want to, but are hampered by needing carrier approval.
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hp420 said:
carriers can not make the rest of the world wait for an update just because they don't want it released to their devices yet.
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When did this start being true?
It's absolutely true that carriers CAN prevent official release of an update for any reason, or for no reason. They've done it many times before and they'll do it again. Sprint has a long track record of doing exactly this.
hp420 said:
Google needs to just ***** slap sprint, tell them to shut the hell up, and push the update
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You have an awfully lot to learn about how contracts work.
If I run a massive business and another massive business violates my contract with them (for example, pushes an unapproved update to what I think of as "my" devices irrespective of the beliefs or desires of my subscribers), many lawyers are going to be fed and I will expect a massive transfer of assets from that other company to mine.
mstevens is dead on. Sprint will not allow the push of an ota until they can be sure this update won't toast peoples phones, and for the people in the world that have a nxs4g and don't do modding, if the update is broken, they can't just fix what Google's update did. My brother has the GSM version, and received the update, and honestly were not missing anything. The user made roms are already becoming superior builds anyway. We will eventually get the update, I for one am glad sprint said no at the moment though, I would hate to waste my time on a broken ota lol
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lol...too many people to quote you all, so I'm gonna do my best to answer everyone
Ok, I understand how contracts work. My point is this: yes, google has a contract with sprint (or any other carrier, for that matter) to provide radios, wimax drivers, what-have-you, and I understand that if sprint won't sign, there's not much the manufacturer can do...I get that. But my biggest concern with all of this is that google is not flexing their muscles. They have made a guarantee to their customers (not explicit, but still implied) that they would provide ALL NEXUS UPDATES in a timely manner. Sprint is now holding google back from seeing this implied promise carried through, and the fact that other manufacturers are already pushing full ota updates now makes google look bad (grounds for a lawsuit).
I understand that if google were to break that contract by circumventing sprint by releasing the update anyway, they could be sued...I get that. However, google could also counter-sue for making customers wait an unreasonable amount of time for an update that is, by all rights, a "god-given right" to all nexus users prior to anyone else getting it.
Now let's talk about how many people use an NS4G to develop software that they get paid top develop. By sprint not releasing an official update, they are now inhibiting developers from doing business, and therefore they are taking money out of people's pockets. Yes, I know this last example is far-fetched a little bit, but honestly, it's really not all that far off. Yeah, people can just compile aosp themselves, and if they are truly developers, they should know how to do that....but let's say they are working on one particular app that is exclusive for sprint users, and they want to make sure it will run properly on sprint's network via an ICS handset....oh, wait...they can't because sprint are a bunch of lazy pieces of **** who won't sign. This is grounds for class-action, IMHO.
I may not be a lawyer, but it's blatantly obvious to me that if sprint holds out long enough, they are absolutely 100% vulnerable to class-action suits...and maybe even a suit from google, as well. Let's face it, no one but sprint & google execs really know the terms of the contract, but for all we know, it IS in the contract to provide timely updates. If this is the case, I hope someone gets sued like a SOB for this delay, because it's unacceptable!!!!!
hp420 said:
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
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I suggest that this LARGE chunk of nexus users may be better served by one of the many other smartphone mfrs who provided a pure ICS update (i.e. no BS extra UI layer and no bloat) over the holiday. Which one will you choose? Oh, wait.
hp420 said:
I hope someone gets sued like a SOB for this delay, because it's unacceptable!!!!!
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Really. You want a lawsuit, because a bunch of software developers wouldn't work at your whim over the nation's biggest holiday?
The111 said:
I suggest that this LARGE chunk of nexus users may be better served by one of the many other smartphone mfrs who provided a pure ICS update (i.e. no BS extra UI layer and no bloat) over the holiday. Which one will you choose? Oh, wait.
Really. You want a lawsuit, because a bunch of software developers wouldn't work at your whim over the nation's biggest holiday?
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actually, since the drivers, kernel, etc. was all pushed to google's update servers WELL over a week before christmas, they wouldn't have been working during the holiday at all to get it pushed to NS4g...they just had to click a few buttons....something I've done a few hundred thousand times in the last 5 minutes.
BTW, no need to be a smartass about it. if I want to switch from nexus to get a pure android ui, I can always just root and modify the ota to have a stock theme. So now what do you have to say about that, smartass??? Oh wait...
tool.
hp420 said:
actually, since the drivers, kernel, etc. was all pushed to google's update servers WELL over a week before christmas, they wouldn't have been working during the holiday at all to get it pushed to NS4g...they just had to click a few buttons....something I've done a few hundred thousand times in the last 5 minutes.
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You're making multiple assumptions. You assume that by the existence of particular source files on a particular server, you know what Google's stance as to the public release candidacy of a compiled package is. Please explain why you believe this. There are only two ways we could know such a thing:
1) Google publicly declares it (i.e. this compiled package IS ready for public use... or vice versa)
2) Google actually pushes the compiled package (in the absence of such an action, the logical assumption to make is that they are not ready to do such a thing yet, for their own reasons... i.e. there is still something else they need to do. NOT that they are "too lazy/stupid to push a few buttons")
hp420 said:
BTW, no need to be a smartass about it. if I want to switch from nexus to get a pure android ui, I can always just root and modify the ota to have a stock theme. So now what do you have to say about that, smartass??? Oh wait...
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You're right, the sarcasm is 100% optional. It's an option that I quite enjoy though. I won't, however, stoop to personal attacks.
How about this. Sarcasm removed for you, I will ask the question that was clearly evident in my last post. If you decide to "leave Google" because of your discontent, which handset vendor will you turn to? Who do you believe is a better option? Who will give you a pure Android update in a shorter timespan? I am genuinely (no sarcasm) interested!