[Q] Music Player Aggravation - EVO Shift 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Get ready for yet another post where I sound like a grumpy old man (hint: it's because I am).
I listen to a lot of audiobooks. I loaded my current book onto my Shift running MikShifted-G and started listening to my latest book. I love the music thing on the lock screen. But what frustrates me is that sometimes (ok, all the time) when I stop in the middle of a track, when I go to resume later, it restarts the track. My guess is that either this is a quirk of the music player, in which case I don't know if it's a Sense issue or a MikShifted-G issue, or if it's the task manager that's included in MSG killing my music app and resetting that. I can't figure out any way in that task manager to tell it not to kill things. I'm thinking about just removing that, since I've never really felt a strong need for a task manager app.
Any good advice?

I use PowerAmp and it has an option to keep it in memory. I use WidgetLocker with the PowerAmp widget and there some hiccups but they're minimal, mostly to do with opening the app after pressing on the widget. Not sure about the task killer, I think I've read that ROMs based on 2.3 use an aggressive policy on apps in memory.
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Music Player issue

Does anybody else have a problem with their phone "stuttering" when they switch songs on their Captivate. I mean, sometimes it's okay because it just happens at the beginning of the song, but other times it continues for half the song, and it's really frustrating me. I can't seem to find any other threads with people having this problem, so.... any suggestions? also, if it helps, I'm using stock JH7 with the one click lag fix available on the market... I have messed with all of the options a while back, but I never set any to "set on boot" also, I am using setCPU as "conservative" but I tried it on "performance" and still had the same problem.
Any suggestions are welcome.
I used to get this a lot and I will say that what you have running in background can make this happen more. But, I'd recommend getting rid of the one click lag fix and upgrading to the voodoo lag fix. Besides helping with music studders, voodoo has made my phone so much snappier!
edit: also you might try a different music program. Try searching for android stock music player, or doubletwist in the market. I use btunes but it isn't free.
InsaneJester17 said:
I used to get this a lot and I will say that what you have running in background can make this happen more. But, I'd recommend getting rid of the one click lag fix and upgrading to the voodoo lag fix. Besides helping with music studders, voodoo has made my phone so much snappier!
edit: also you might try a different music program. Try searching for android stock music player, or doubletwist in the market. I use btunes but it isn't free.
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I was using Voodoo before, and it seemed to make the stuttering worse... but I think I might just wait until 2.2 and see if Voodoo is available for it. Also, I totally forgot about what was running in the background. I forgot that the browser doesn't close without the aid of a task manager (SO FRUSTRATING.) and I prefer stock over the alternatives... Call me old fashioned.
But using ATK to kill the browser worked miracles for my music performance!

(Q) Android bad as ios when it comes to multitasking..

My phone before moving to android was a n900 with maemo. Problem I have is that with that you had card based multitasking which for example you could be playing a YouTube video on the browser or a app. Then minimize it and still hear it running in the background while you text...with android the app seems to just freeze which is what IV always hated about iPhones...
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P.S By freezing I mean freezing the state of the app as opposed to "crashing" lol
What exactly are u stating you say its bad but then u complain it just freezes.???? If I may add, android does this and over time shuts off the app....iphone usually doesn't all the time..... And unless your playing music in the backround I find no need to be running music while on the phone doing stuff, it saves ram.....also there's an app for that (possibly) pun intended
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Get a task killer? I've had no problems with freezing. I'm actually streaming music from Slacker radio right now; no slowdown at all.
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I dont mean the phone freezes lol I mean android freezes the state of the app rather than letting it carry on running fully as maemo would..
Just wondering if there is a way around this..
Im pretty sure the n900 was underpowered compared to a Nexus S hence why I thought it would be able to keep apps running not in a "frozen state" in the background...
Oh. Never mind then, sorry about that lol. I'm not sure how to prevent that.
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@sottyc
Multitasking of OS doesn't mean every app is always minimized - that would be really bad. It means app could run in background if it want. YouTupe app doesn't want to do that and this makes much sense for me.
You could try to find an app to play YouTube videos in the background, but I don't think this is a good idea. Phone isn't a PC, you know ;-)
As a user you shouldn't notice any difference to your app's behaviour whether it's frozen or even killed in the meantime. As a developer you can influence, to a degree, your app's priority, or create a service, so that android doesn't freeze or kill your app - it still will in extreme cases. In most cases, however, you shouldn't need to.
You wouldn't have an enjoyable experience running youtube and anything else simultaneously. Phones just aren't that powerful, although the dual cores will probably be an improvement.
This is what alot of people dont get...its not to do with performance..My PC back in the day had less power than modern phones and it still worked fine with windows 98 lol...
As said the N900 is underpowered compared to most android devices and that could run anything in background in fact to could have loads of apps open and keep running while you do other stuff..
Youtube might seem a stupid one but I only use it to listen to music so can be useful to be running..
I dont think its anything to do with power, its the OS not being able to cope...
You cant even run online radio via flash via a website and minimize it so you can keep listening.
There are many uses for this...just never thought android does not like to cope with a load..
To say that the OS cannot cope with multi-tasking is like saying linux cannot cope with multitasking. What you describe are design decisions of the developers of the apps you mention. So, I guess, you should get apps that work for you.
The things you are talking about, Youtube streaming and running Flash, are resource intensive.
Multitasking with these is not the same thing as editing a document and periodically checking your email account ot updating your FB status!
@sottyc
As I told you: you could create an app which will play music from youtube or from WWW in the background. But developers don't do that, because this isn't a great idea - no matter which OS you use.

Sense 3.6 mail & music player meesed up

Hi,
Yesterday I updated my phone with the official android 4.0 update. Some things work faster, for the most part things seem to have taken a turn for the worse. Never mind that all the menu's now show way more information than you need, more importantly it seems htc broke the mail and music player app.
The mail app seems to revert push mail settings to every 15 minutes by itself and also reset the amount of days of email it should download back to 3 days. Basically the mail app became a useless piece of crap. No more push mail and no more having all your emails. Way to go HTC.
The geniuses at HTC also decided that it'd be nice to **** up the music player. It used to work perfectly fine. Easy and fast to navigate with just your thumb and playing music worked like a charm.
Not anymore. Switching between artist, albums etc is a horror now. Drop down menu **** instead of just a bar at the bottom of your screen. Worst of all is that music playback isn't smooth anymore. Try to skip more than 2 songs by swiping the screen fast and **** hits the fan. Also instead of playing music until you stop at a song you want music now stops playing right away and gives a 'pop' every time a new song starts.
Basically we now got a bit faster home screen scrolling. All other things got ****ed up. Way to go HTC. How about maybe bothering doing some quality checks next time?
Hi,
I was also annoyed about the Mail-app in ICS. At first I downgraded and wanted to wait until the official release was there. However, the official release didn't fix this issue, so I ended up searching for a fix for a very long time.
After all, I installed Aqua-Mail from the Market - it's free and you can set up IMAP-Push - it's working great without any issues.
Concerning the music player I'm using Real-Player - just give it a try!
Best regards
Manuel
Wait, what? the bug was there in leaked versions and the ****ers didn't even bother to fix it?? How can you possibly release a broken email application? The mind boggels... Do you happen to know if they fixed it with sense 4.0? I'm thinking about rooting as soon as there is a way of rooting Hboot 1.27 and than upgrading to 4.0.
Thanks for the pointer about aquamail but I can't find it in the market for my device. Seems the dev didn't roll it out in my country yet.
I really wonder what the whole deal about ICS is. For me, it only made things worse. There is a very small gain in smoothness but you get broken basic applications and the whole messed up ICS menu option overkill.
sjaak1234 said:
Wait, what? the bug was there in leaked versions and the ****ers didn't even bother to fix it?? How can you possibly release a broken email application? The mind boggels... Do you happen to know if they fixed it with sense 4.0?
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My thoughts exactly.
I tried Sense 4.0 today and it seems fixed in that.
sjaak1234 said:
Hi,
Yesterday I updated my phone with the official android 4.0 update. Some things work faster, for the most part things seem to have taken a turn for the worse. Never mind that all the menu's now show way more information than you need, more importantly it seems htc broke the mail and music player app.
The mail app seems to revert push mail settings to every 15 minutes by itself and also reset the amount of days of email it should download back to 3 days. Basically the mail app became a useless piece of crap. No more push mail and no more having all your emails. Way to go HTC.
The geniuses at HTC also decided that it'd be nice to **** up the music player. It used to work perfectly fine. Easy and fast to navigate with just your thumb and playing music worked like a charm.
Not anymore. Switching between artist, albums etc is a horror now. Drop down menu **** instead of just a bar at the bottom of your screen. Worst of all is that music playback isn't smooth anymore. Try to skip more than 2 songs by swiping the screen fast and **** hits the fan. Also instead of playing music until you stop at a song you want music now stops playing right away and gives a 'pop' every time a new song starts.
Basically we now got a bit faster home screen scrolling. All other things got ****ed up. Way to go HTC. How about maybe bothering doing some quality checks next time?
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The Music application issue is not with my phone, but the Mail app thing is. It's very annoying since I like to get my e-mails via Push Mail. I've been using the built-in Gmail app more and more because of it. Hope they either issue an update to fix the Mail thing or give us Sense 4.0--- though I suppose that would be too demanding since a lot of people with EVO3Ds and such are already complaining about Sensation and Sensation XE users getting the ICS + Sense 3.6 update first.
But seriously. I use the Mail app a lot. A whole lot. I hope they fix it.
k0zmic said:
My thoughts exactly.
I tried Sense 4.0 today and it seems fixed in that.
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Multitasking is a joke on the One X!

What in the world did HTC do to Android ICS mulitasking!? Apps seem to be completely removed from cache every single time they're closed for ~30 seconds. They also no longer re-open in the same state that you left them! If I leave the browser, it needs to reload the web page. If I leave a game, I need to start from the beginning. If I pause and exit Slacker radio for a minute, the app closes and I can't even resume my music with the headphones button! I need to re-open the app and start playing all over again.
With my old Galaxy Nexus I never had ANY of these issues and multitasking was clearly the best of any smartphone on the market. HTC has completely crippled this device and it's becoming more and more frustrating (push email notifications & sms notifications are a whole other mess). It seems HTC has created Sense to focus more on preserving battery than focusing on creating a good user experience. The first few days with the phone were great but as more and more of these "instances" pop up, this phone is beginning to seem less and less powerful and intuitive.
NextNexus said:
What in the world did HTC do to Android ICS mulitasking!? Apps seem to be completely removed from cache every single time they're closed for ~30 seconds. They also no longer re-open in the same state that you left them! If I leave the browser, it needs to reload the web page. If I leave a game, I need to start from the beginning. If I pause and exit Slacker radio for a minute, the app closes and I can't even resume my music with the headphones button! I need to re-open the app and start playing all over again.
With my old Galaxy Nexus I never had ANY of these issues and multitasking was clearly the best of any smartphone on the market. HTC has completely crippled this device and it's becoming more and more frustrating (push email notifications & sms notifications are a whole other mess). It seems HTC has created Sense to focus more on preserving battery than focusing on creating a good user experience. The first few days with the phone were great but as more and more of these "instances" pop up, this phone is beginning to seem less and less powerful and intuitive.
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I agree, they're using very aggressive memory management.
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mobilehavoc said:
I agree, they're using very aggressive memory management.
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So much so that multitasking seemed significantly more advanced on my iPhone 4S. This is supposed to be Android's strong suit!
Ya its not even like saved state. Its just a new icon for your previously opened apps.
This is one area where I wish I still had my gnex. HOwever everything else is better on this phone.
With root available, you can probably tweak this a bit with the likes of auto killer, or a similar min free tweaking app.
Music works fine, hell it even remember my last song and position played after a reboot, using htc music.
I made two videos of the problem:
If I just tried to copy and paste these links and make this post on my one x it would have never worked, would have kept reloading the page and forget everything I typed. Lol.
demarton said:
Music works fine, hell it even remember my last song and position played after a reboot, using htc music.
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HTC Music is an HTC developed app so it's possible they tweaked their own app to work well. I listen to most of my music online and prefer Slacker radio which has been nothing short of a disaster with this device b/c of the multitasking issues.
demarton said:
Music works fine, hell it even remember my last song and position played after a reboot, using htc music.
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Does streaming google music play(app) work in the background ( while using navigation or a browser ) ?
With auto killer, i just tested, and i can keep 3 apps running in the memory. Try it out.
edit* scratch that, i tryed after a few minutes of inactivity, reloads.
I believe the reason they are using such aggressive memory management is because on the One X International Version Sense would constantly crash and you would see the "loading" screen.
Frankly I dont know which is more annoying...
dharani1234 said:
Does the music play in the background ( while using navigation or a browser ) ?
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Music works in the background for me while it's playing (even Slacker). But if I pause the music for a minute to go do something, it's impossible for me to begin playing from where I left off and I have to re-open the app and start playing a song from the beginning. It's very annoying.
spyz88 said:
I believe the reason they are using such aggressive memory management is because on the One X International Version Sense would constantly crash and you would see the "loading" screen.
Frankly I dont know which is more annoying...
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Oh it still does that also, but it isn't a crash, it happens when you go back to the home screen, you just see "loading"
I am just hoping the phone is still fast and has good battery life once/if this is fixed.
wrxdrunkie said:
I made two videos of the problem:
If I just tried to copy and paste these links and make this post on my one x it would have never worked, would have kept reloading the page and forget everything I typed. Lol.
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Thank you for portraying what I mean...but your issue is even WORSE than mine. If I switch back to an app THAT quickly it won't reload like that. For me, it has to be around 30 seconds.
Lets hope we get root soon. I'm sure some custom roms will cure this issue
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Bigjim1488 said:
Lets hope we get root soon. I'm sure some custom roms will cure this issue
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Root is already possible since yesterday. Custom ROM is not possible until we get bootloader unlocked.
i'm guessing that's why my simiclock doesn't update after i don't touch my phone for a long period of time (overnight)
In the developer settings, there is an option to set the limit of background processes. The default is set to "standard limit." Does anyone know what this limit is, or if changing it to 4 processes might actually help?
Edit: just tried and it clearly does not help.
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Try going to settings developer opinions and look under apps and make sure those settings are to your liking. It has a setting for turning off apps right away and how many apps can run in the background.
Edit: I keep on going in and out of apps trying this but unless I'm out for like 5 min its not making me start over Pandora. Try clicking and unclicking apps close right away.
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The issue definitely needs addressing, and I'm sure it's not a "what was HTC thinking" situation so much as a bug that they'll fix.
I've noticed the issue myself, but it hasn't annoyed me to the point of complaining. Maybe it's better on my phone. It'll almost certainly depend on what background services you have running. By that, I mean GMail, Email, Twitter/Facebook updates, playing music. Also, some apps seem to handle multitasking pretty well. NFS Hot Pursuit was obviously coded to accommodate Android multitasking, as I can quit it, check my email/twitter, maybe browse a website, and when I go back to NFS, it's on the pause screen and I can pick up the race where I left off.
Different processes receive different priorities as far as Android memory management go. If you're playing music (in HTC Music, Play Music, PowerAmp, etc,) then Android recognizes that this app is actively doing something, even if you consecutively load up every other app on your phone. You can go back to the music app and it won't have to reload anything. That's just an example. Other apps can do this too, as long as the programmers coded it right. I'm guessing NFS Hot Pursuit does this as I've never had a problem with it.
Of course, none of that excuses the poor multitasking, since the gnex seems much better at it. (And I'm assuming you people who have tried both have been running virtually identical apps on each phone.)
I don't know a ton about memory management and multitasking in Android, so I could only speculate as to where the problem really lies. Could be that Sense takes up too much memory (surprise surprise!), could be that HTC made the memory management too agressive, could be weird other things that I don't even know about, such as some sort of time-out for background apps.
I'm going to do some playing around and let you know if I can find any ways to improve it easily.

Minfree - optimal settings/exclusions?

Hi Everyone,
Currently using the ViperX ROM, and loving the ability to toggle minfree on the fly. This isn't exclusive to this ROM but I've always had a problem playing music on the One-X, which I find amusing.
Basically if I open the player, and background it, it'll randomly kill itself. I might get 30 seconds out of it, I might get an hour.
Not only that, but I pretty much can't use anything else. If I go on a webpage - dead. Music killed.
What are the optimal settings for keeping my backgrounded apps alive? I'm happy enough to lose some 'free' RAM in order to constantly keep my music alive, even if I have to manually kill it I'm okay with this.
Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks everyone.
Eambo said:
Hi Everyone,
Currently using the ViperX ROM, and loving the ability to toggle minfree on the fly. This isn't exclusive to this ROM but I've always had a problem playing music on the One-X, which I find amusing.
Basically if I open the player, and background it, it'll randomly kill itself. I might get 30 seconds out of it, I might get an hour.
Not only that, but I pretty much can't use anything else. If I go on a webpage - dead. Music killed.
What are the optimal settings for keeping my backgrounded apps alive? I'm happy enough to lose some 'free' RAM in order to constantly keep my music alive, even if I have to manually kill it I'm okay with this.
Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks everyone.
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Wrong Forum. ViperX is for the International One X, not the LTE One XL
Eambo said:
Hi Everyone,
Currently using the ViperX ROM, and loving the ability to toggle minfree on the fly. This isn't exclusive to this ROM but I've always had a problem playing music on the One-X, which I find amusing.
Basically if I open the player, and background it, it'll randomly kill itself. I might get 30 seconds out of it, I might get an hour.
Not only that, but I pretty much can't use anything else. If I go on a webpage - dead. Music killed.
What are the optimal settings for keeping my backgrounded apps alive? I'm happy enough to lose some 'free' RAM in order to constantly keep my music alive, even if I have to manually kill it I'm okay with this.
Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks everyone.
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What music player are you using? Either the app itself or the ROM might be the problem, I'd say nandroid and then flash something else to see if you have the same problem.
I don't know how I keep doing this, keep getting into the wrong forums! Really sorry about that
As for the music player, it happens with a few different ones. The one I use most is actually a YouTube streamer - it streams the audio without the video, and works backgrounded too.
Long shot here, bit have you checked settings,developer options for kill back ground apps after so many are running or kill stuff not on screen..?
If not something like that, it's over my head.
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