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I just read a piece on Boy Genius Report in regards to the differences between the Captivate/Vibrant and the Epic. The blogger states the following
"Samsung’s TouchWiz UI doesn’t feel as mature as Sense. This seems blatantly obvious in the Captivate and Vibrant but is much less noticeable in the EPIC 4G. The device feels much faster than the Captivate or Vibrant and having social network integration, power controls, and a host of widgets actually becomes more useful instead of an annoyance."
He then proceeds to make presumptions about the ROM in the captivate/Vibrant being SD cards and the ROM inside the Epic being a much Faster NAND variant.
"We’re assuming the phone uses NAND Flash as the internal memory medium. On the Captivate if you navigate to Settings >SD Card and phones storage you see “External SD Card” and “Internal SD Card” listed. On the EPIC you see “External SD Card” and “Internal Phone storage.” We’ve reached out to Sprint for clarification and will update this article if they respond with a definitive answer."
I know the Epic isn't out yet, but does anyone have some better insight into this?
Original piece is here
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/08/18/your-epic-4g-questions-answered/
I believe that the Epic 4G does not have as much internal storage space as the captivate (or vibrant). Standard Galaxy S phones have 16 GB of internal storage, of which about 2GB is reserved for apps and the OS. I think the Galaxy S Pro (Epic 4G) has substantially less. I believe that either the engadget or gizmodo review listed the phone as having on 400MB available for app storage, suggesting less than 1GB of internal storage for OS and apps. To compensate, the Epic is sold with a 16GB micro-sd card.
I'm afraid I don't know anything about the read/write speeds for the internal storage on both devices, or if the two phones have different types of memory. But my captivate lists 3 different types of memory in it's "SD card and phone storage menu": SD, internal SD and internal phone storage. It sounds like the Epic just don't have any 'internal sd' storage capacity at all, so it only shows 'SD' and 'internal phone storage.'
hennethannun said:
I believe that the Epic 4G does not have as much internal storage space as the captivate (or vibrant). Standard Galaxy S phones have 16 GB of internal storage, of which about 2GB is reserved for apps and the OS. I think the Galaxy S Pro (Epic 4G) has substantially less. I believe that either the engadget or gizmodo review listed the phone as having on 400MB available for app storage, suggesting less than 1GB of internal storage for OS and apps. To compensate, the Epic is sold with a 16GB micro-sd card.
I'm afraid I don't know anything about the read/write speeds for the internal storage on both devices, or if the two phones have different types of memory. But my captivate lists 3 different types of memory in it's "SD card and phone storage menu": SD, internal SD and internal phone storage. It sounds like the Epic just don't have any 'internal sd' storage capacity at all, so it only shows 'SD' and 'internal phone storage.'
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You are correct about the internal storage on the Epic. Thanks for pointing out that there is indeed a third storage type on the captivate, I've never scrolled past the internal SD part of the menu.
This leads me to believe that BGR really has no clue of what theyre talking about.
I read somewhere that despite the 16gb storage in teh captive, there is only about 13gb left from the stock rom, is that correct?
a quick question, I thought if the phone comes with 16gb, you can use all of the 16 gb for apps and such, am I mistaken with this? I was under the impression that the whole 16gb is available for everything but you can also add more via SD.
PUTALE said:
I read somewhere that despite the 16gb storage in teh captive, there is only about 13gb left from the stock rom, is that correct?
a quick question, I thought if the phone comes with 16gb, you can use all of the 16 gb for apps and such, am I mistaken with this? I was under the impression that the whole 16gb is available for everything but you can also add more via SD.
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Even though the phone says it's 16gb, you only get to use about 13 gig of that. You can add up to a 32gb micro SD card to it though. It's like that with most if not all phones. iPhone is done in a similar way. The OS takes up space.
YEAH, I understand that the phone OS takes up space. But the whole 13GB that's free can be used for apps and such right? WinMo are a bit different I think the ROM is for OS and apps.
I saw a few android based phone has only 1GB internal memory (Sony Xperia) which is quite low. Does that mean that the maximum number of apps you can install is 1GB? Or that you can install apps on the SD
If only Samsung would realize that rfs fails and they should use Ext4 for data storage :\
BGR is full of clueless idiots. I would not rely on a second rate blog's assumptions.
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BGR is full of clueless idiots. I would not rely on a second rate blog's assumptions.
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Yes, I figured as much. I posted several comments that corrected their post, and implored them to do their homework prior to posting reviews. I come to find out later that the author deleted all of my posts. Talk about censorship.
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It sounds like the Epic just don't have any 'internal sd' storage capacity at all, so it only shows 'SD' and 'internal phone storage.'
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Perhaps this is why the Epic 4G boots up so quickly.
When I installed and partitioned an SSD on my PC I needed to make some calculations to make sure the participation fell on "boundaries" to get the highest level of performance from my SSD. Do I need to do the same with a microSD card?
I guess my question might really be "how much like a SSD is an external SD card?"
I have a 32 GB (actually 29.8 GiB) external micro SD that I want to partition and format. I am considering following sizes and formats: Ext4 4GiB; FAT32 25.5 GiB; SWAP remaining (about .3) GiB.
I know in the past it was felt that the EXT partition need to be only 1 or 2 GiB in size, but with a more powerful device and larger apps appearing, I would rather have an extra couple of GiBs than have to repartition in the near future.
Are the partition sizes I am allocating reasonable?
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When I installed and partitioned an SSD on my PC I needed to make some calculations to make sure the participation fell on "boundaries" to get the highest level of performance from my SSD. Do I need to do the same with a microSD card?
I guess my question might really be "how much like a SSD is an external SD card?"
I have a 32 GB (actually 29.8 GiB) external micro SD that I want to partition and format. I am considering following sizes and formats: Ext4 4GiB; FAT32 25.5 GiB; SWAP remaining (about .3) GiB.
I know in the past it was felt that the EXT partition need to be only 1 or 2 GiB in size, but with a more powerful device and larger apps appearing, I would rather have an extra couple of GiBs than have to repartition in the near future.
Are the partition sizes I am allocating reasonable?
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No need to partition the card for use in the g2x. 1 we have no rom's that even support apps to ext/sd. 2 it has 1.5 gig for apps, 5.5 gig internal sd..
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squish099 said:
No need to partition the card for use in the g2x. 1 we have no rom's that even support apps to ext/sd. 2 it has 1.5 gig for apps, 5.5 gig internal sd..
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Thank you for the information.
So my "google" phone does not support an official google app (i.e. Apps2SD) which is supported by froyo. Also, I thought Cyanogen supported Apps2sd, I have not flashed a CM rom so I have no first hand experience.
Is this lack of support just another "bug" awaiting a fix? I would think that a phone whose design begs to have gaming apps running, would have had this feature working.
It supports the official apps to SD.. the ext partition method came from g1 development because of lack of app space.. basically its not required with the g2x w/1.5 gigs of app storage and the official apps to SD method, but I'm pretty sure on the stock rom it will put your apps on the internal SD as opposed to your micro SD card (I hope this is understandable)
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The HTC One X has 16GB of storage total, but only about 2GB can be used for apps. I don't get it, its all internal memory, why separate it like that? Or is it just similar to my current Android phone where i have 2 separate storage areas, a small amount of phone memory, and SD Card. Should i think of the One X as having phone memory and a built in SD card so to speak. Because on my current phone i can move some apps from phone memory to SD card in Android Settings based off how they work, and some need to stay on the phone. Would this be a similar way that it may work on the One X?
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The HTC One X has 16GB of storage total, but only about 2GB can be used for apps. I don't get it, its all internal memory, why separate it like that? Or is it just similar to my current Android phone where i have 2 separate storage areas, a small amount of phone memory, and SD Card. Should i think of the One X as having phone memory and a built in SD card so to speak. Because on my current phone i can move some apps from phone memory to SD card in Android Settings based off how they work, and some need to stay on the phone. Would this be a similar way that it may work on the One X?
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the 10gb partition is basically an sdcard yes. 2gb of app storage is actually a lot. if an app needs extra data, it's saved to the internal memory (10gb).
That's the typical configuration for almost all Android phones. You have system partition where the kernel/OS/system resides. You have app paritition where all apps install to. Then you have the SDcard type storage area where all user/app data stores to.
2GB app partition is quite large. You can also install app to SDcard if you use up all the 2GB space.
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The HTC One X has 16GB of storage total, but only about 2GB can be used for apps. I don't get it, its all internal memory, why separate it like that? Or is it just similar to my current Android phone where i have 2 separate storage areas, a small amount of phone memory, and SD Card. Should i think of the One X as having phone memory and a built in SD card so to speak. Because on my current phone i can move some apps from phone memory to SD card in Android Settings based off how they work, and some need to stay on the phone. Would this be a similar way that it may work on the One X?
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This has been covered before, but the reason HTC went this route is to have usb mass storage mode. With one big partion, such as I have on my gtab 10.1 mtp is used, usb mass storage is not an option.
And yes, moving apps to sd works, even large games where most of the data is downloaded afterwords, that data goes to your "sd". In short, the 2gb app partion is plenty.
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really?
don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but really, is 2gb enough? i'm on a t-mobile mytouch 4g slide and i might be leaving t-mobile to come to at&t and get the htc one x, but one of my biggest complaints is the storage space. i'm CONSTANTLY having to delete apps to stay above 200mb free (and i have no music on my phone and all pics are on the sd card). right now i have 102 apps/games installed. i find that if i start moving apps/games to sd i start having phone issues (and i know not to move apps that have widgets, but even still, just installing games and stuff still tends to cause freezes and force closes). now the only reason i might be able to trust you guys and take the leap of faith here with the 2gb is that i'm running android 2.3 here... i know that android 4.0 is a totally different beast and things just run amazingly better to begin with (especially with the added hardware of the one x)... so maybe i really don't need to worry about moving some of my bigger games like plants vs zombies and peggle (thats like 150mb right there on the phone storage alone) to sd on this android 4.0 device...
SO... anyone wanna help me feel a little better about this and give me some more assurance that everything is just gonna be ok haha.
thanks
One major difference here is that your T-Mo MyTouch 4G Slide needs to use the slower microSD card for SD storage. Due to the speed difference and general unreliable performance of external SD storage, it could cause issues for apps stored on those external SD cards.
For HOX, there is no external SD card involved. The 10 GB or so storage you can use is from the same NAND chip that is used by the internal 2GB app storage. So, there shouldn't be any problem for moving apps to that storage.
foxbat121 said:
One major difference here is that your T-Mo MyTouch 4G Slide needs to use the slower microSD card for SD storage. Due to the speed difference and general unreliable performance of external SD storage, it could cause issues for apps stored on those external SD cards.
For HOX, there is no external SD card involved. The 10 GB or so storage you can use is from the same NAND chip that is used by the internal 2GB app storage. So, there shouldn't be any problem for moving apps to that storage.
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interesting. sounds pretty reasonable. i don't really store any music on my phone other than a few spotify offline playlists, and no movies, so the space would be totally pictures, apps and games... so if what you're saying is true, i guess i shouldn't really worry about the 2gb... gonna go play with one in a store tomorrow to make sure i'll be happy jumping from 3.7 to 4.7" but i think this might be a done deal for me ...
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That's the typical configuration for almost all Android phones. You have system partition where the kernel/OS/system resides. You have app paritition where all apps install to. Then you have the SDcard type storage area where all user/app data stores to.
2GB app partition is quite large. You can also install app to SDcard if you use up all the 2GB space.
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No it is not the typical configuration for all Android phones, not after ICS. After ICS I think HTC is the only one who insist on sticking to it. Even though MTP have its pro and cons, I think sticking to the old 2 GB partition has more Cons than Pros.
And while 2GB is enough for many users, for many others, it is NOT enough. FYI not all apps can be moved to SDcard and right now I have almost 4 GB on apps on my tablet. So for a heavy user, 2GB space is both restrictive AND unnecessary.
This is a stupid decision by HTC that has stopped me from buying their phone since HTC desire HD (which gave me such an headache due to this restriction)
Also consider the exponential growth in the file size of the apps. A few years ago, you will have hard pressed to find an apps that is more than 100 MB, now some apps even approaches 0.5 GB to 1GB size. Enough? Hardly.
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don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but really, is 2gb enough? i'm on a t-mobile mytouch 4g slide and i might be leaving t-mobile to come to at&t and get the htc one x, but one of my biggest complaints is the storage space. i'm CONSTANTLY having to delete apps to stay above 200mb free (and i have no music on my phone and all pics are on the sd card). right now i have 102 apps/games installed. i find that if i start moving apps/games to sd i start having phone issues (and i know not to move apps that have widgets, but even still, just installing games and stuff still tends to cause freezes and force closes). now the only reason i might be able to trust you guys and take the leap of faith here with the 2gb is that i'm running android 2.3 here... i know that android 4.0 is a totally different beast and things just run amazingly better to begin with (especially with the added hardware of the one x)... so maybe i really don't need to worry about moving some of my bigger games like plants vs zombies and peggle (thats like 150mb right there on the phone storage alone) to sd on this android 4.0 device...
SO... anyone wanna help me feel a little better about this and give me some more assurance that everything is just gonna be ok haha.
thanks
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Of those 102 apps/games, name 51 of them without looking lol.
Why is this here?
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OK, so I knew this was limited to the internal 16GB, but now I'm reading that it is partitioned so that 4GB is system that I'll never see, 2GB is apps, and 10GB is media storage.
Is the 2GB the same as the internal storage on other Androids, and the 10GB same as an external SD card, so the 10GB has the same external SD limitations? I'm assuming that when an app has an option to store things on external SD I should take advantage of it to preserve the 2GB?
Finally, what are the paths for the different partitions (I'm on a non rooted stock TmoUS)?
Thanks!
THe main thing I'm wondering about is why the hell it's a 4gb system partition. That is HUGE!
htc sensation xe has the same 4 gb internal memory from which the user has only 1 gb for apps
so...only HTC knows the answer
For phones like the S3, you can get them with up to 64 GB internal phone storage, what's the point?
You can't transfer your songs or movies from your SD card to your phone, so that means the internal memory can only store apps, and who has 64 GB of apps?
Isn't 1GB big enough for all your apps?
Or am I missing something here?
... I have over 1Gb of apps and I don't even have any particularly big ones on there... and I didn't think I had many, either. I have been considering a nearly 1Gb game app for my tablet, and I'm sure some people have mental fortitude to play such games on their phones (I like the bigger screen, can't concentrate on the phone sized screen for really detailed games).
Why couldn't you put music and movies on the internal storage ? Kies will try to put music on internal by default - I actually had to move to the external SD after transferring because I didn't realise that. I'm sure I could do the file transfer in the opposite direction as well and cut and paste from external to internal.
I think ur misunderstood by 64GB in S3...its Internal USB storage (in-built memory card) not phone memory.
I have a 32GB Galaxy S2 model..it doesn't mean that it has 32GB phone memory..lol
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For phones like the S3, you can get them with up to 64 GB internal phone storage, what's the point?
You can't transfer your songs or movies from your SD card to your phone, so that means the internal memory can only store apps, and who has 64 GB of apps?
Isn't 1GB big enough for all your apps?
Or am I missing something here?
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This is internal but accessable as storage space for films etc.
On many new devices (like nexus4/7/10) everything is kept on one partition so the internal memory is for apps and files
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Pennycake said:
... I have over 1Gb of apps and I don't even have any particularly big ones on there... and I didn't think I had many, either. I have been considering a nearly 1Gb game app for my tablet, and I'm sure some people have mental fortitude to play such games on their phones (I like the bigger screen, can't concentrate on the phone sized screen for really detailed games).
Why couldn't you put music and movies on the internal storage ? Kies will try to put music on internal by default - I actually had to move to the external SD after transferring because I didn't realise that. I'm sure I could do the file transfer in the opposite direction as well and cut and paste from external to internal.
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Wait, so you're saying that I can transfer files from my computer/sd card to the internal storage?
How?
DD-Ripper said:
I think ur misunderstood by 64GB in S3...its Internal USB storage (in-built memory card) not phone memory.
I have a 32GB Galaxy S2 model..it doesn't mean that it has 32GB phone memory..lol
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Yeah, I meant internal storage, as in space, and not RAM, if that's what you mean.
Unless you're saying there's the internal storage + internal sd card + external sd card?
You can drag and drop or use Kies/Kies Air or any other such program. I mean, they're not going to mandate you buy an external SD card in order to store media, that would be silly.
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Wait, so you're saying that I can transfer files from my computer/sd card to the internal storage?
How?
Yeah, I meant internal storage, as in space, and not RAM, if that's what you mean.
Unless you're saying there's the internal storage + internal sd card + external sd card?
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Yes ..there is:
- Phone memory : 2GB
-Internal memory Card : 32GB
-External Memory Card : 8GB
On my galaxy s2...
That's what I mean..
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You can drag and drop or use Kies/Kies Air or any other such program. I mean, they're not going to mandate you buy an external SD card in order to store media, that would be silly.
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I've installed Kies, and it does exactly what Windows Explorer can do. It syncs, backups etc. files on your SD CARD, I can't find any option to browse my PHONE STORAGE, like you said it could.
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Yes ..there is:
- Phone memory : 2GB
-Internal memory Card : 32GB
-External Memory Card : 8GB
On my galaxy s2...
That's what I mean..
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So which one is the one you can buy in stores?
Where's the internal memory card located?
I've got a Galaxy Ace.
Galaxy ace doesn't have it.
Models like Galaxy s, S advance, S duos, S2, S3, Note...and others have it inbuilt.
You can't remove nor expand the internal SD card.
There is a slot for external card too like in galaxy ace....external SD cards are available for sales everywhere.
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#YOLO said:
For phones like the S3, you can get them with up to 64 GB internal phone storage, what's the point?
You can't transfer your songs or movies from your SD card to your phone, so that means the internal memory can only store apps, and who has 64 GB of apps?
Isn't 1GB big enough for all your apps?
Or am I missing something here?
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SD CARDS ARE NOT GOOD!
having internal storage is much better then having SD storage, reason being is the phones processor has process stuff much quicker if its on the internal memory. When stuff is stored on an SD card the access time is always greater. Also theat is not true you can store your mvoies videos and pictures on the interal memory.(I have an S3 and i know this works)
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Galaxy ace doesn't have it.
Models like Galaxy s, S advance, S duos, S2, S3, Note...and others have it inbuilt.
You can't remove nor expand the internal SD card.
There is a slot for external card too like in galaxy ace....external SD cards are available for sales everywhere.
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I see.
So you can transfer files from your computer to your internal or external sd card, or from your internal card to external card or vice versa, but you can't transfer to your phone memory?
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SD CARDS ARE NOT GOOD!
having internal storage is much better then having SD storage, reason being is the phones processor has process stuff much quicker if its on the internal memory. When stuff is stored on an SD card the access time is always greater. Also theat is not true you can store your mvoies videos and pictures on the interal memory.(I have an S3 and i know this works)
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Galaxy Ace has 158 MB internal storage, so I have to use my SD card.
How do I store movies/songs on my internal storage?
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I see.
So you can transfer files from your computer to your internal or external sd card, or from your internal card to external card or vice versa, but you can't transfer to your phone memory?
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Yup..u got it right.
U can't transfer to internal memory (phone memory) but u can transfer to Internal Storage (inbuilt SD card) and External storage.
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I don't know how they wire these phones up, but I can tell you that the storage memory that is actually inbuilt to the phone will be faster than anything you plug in. SD Cards usually take more time for transfers/reads than internal memory. Hence, people go for more internal memory nowadays rather than use an SD card to store their crap on.
it is always better to have a hard-soldered memory chip for faster processing .
many applications wont install to an SD, one of them being Facebook!