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I was thinking that a Generic Android Tablet Discussion thread would be a good idea. No matter the brand , maker size etc. Talk about them here.
Im debating between the Archos 101 and waiting to see if the Moto tab is good.
Whats Out There
I have been keeping a keen eye out for the variety of higher end tablets and here is what I have sort of come up with so far:
Samsung Tablet (7")
Motorola Stingray (10")
Viewsonic viewpad (7")
LG Optimus pad
SteamTV Elocity pad (7")
Archos Family of pads (3"-10")
They all have there merits, and the minor things that make them not so great. But here is a list of the gamot of features you can look for. Some of the tablets have alot of them, some have none, its basically what you want to do with it:
3G
WIFI
GPS
Bluetooth 2.1 or 3.0
Capacitive Screen
USB port(s)
(Micro) SD card slot
HDMI
G-Sensor
Accelerator meter
Geomagnetic sensor
Light Sensor
Front Camera
Back Camera
Google Apps Integration
NVIDA Tegra 2 versus 1GHx CPU w/ GPU
1024 x 600 resolution versus 800 x 480
RAM
Disk Space
Version of Android (2.2 now 3.0 later)
-MW
I know they are poppping out of the woodwork now. My biggest thing is that the majority are really expensive. Like the new Toshiba announced today is $540. THat is why Either the Cruz or Archos will match all my criteria. But the nice thing is that there seems to be a ton of different options.
Toshiba Folio 100
10.1-inch capacitive touchscreen
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 (Froyo)
NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor
16 GB internal storage (32 GB available SD expansion)
Adobe Flash 10.1
1.3 MP front-facing camera
Mini-HDMI
USB 2.0
Bluetooth 2.1
WLAN (802.11)
Mobile broadband (available Q1 2011)
I've been disappointed with the IFA ones as almost all of them have 3G which means here, onerous data contracts or ridiculous prices w/o.
Archos underwent feature regression(e.g. no GPS), and has some whacked prices for the 70 & 101. The rest seem kind of useless to me too small and at least the smallest two don't have any way of expanding storage which makes them kind of useless as anything other than a portable music player.
The Viewsonic is the Olivepad one? Didn't seem to be all that great.
Toshiba Folio MIGHT have been nice, but that Tegra will likely make it expensive.
...just too many hawking 3G and not enough that have useful extras like higher res cameras, GPS, mics, and maybe bluetooth... i.e. I'm just meh'ed by IFA offerings... Witstech A81-E is still looking good and they just got another new fw release 8/31...
Good catch, forgot the toshiba one. Here is what I am looking for a tablet:
3G (mainly so I can have google apps)
7" Display
Capacitive screen (OMLED prefered)
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 upgradeable to android 3.0
front camera
1 GHz CPU (perferably the tegra 2)
GPU (if no NVIDIA CPU)
front camera (dont care about a back one)
A-GPS
Bluetooth (at least 2.1)
WIFI B/G/N
USB
8+ GB internal storage
SD card slot is nice but not manditory
HDMI is nice but not manditory
Which matches up with the samsung tab, but the British price I found had it at over 600 British pounds, which converts to over 1000 US dollars.
-MW
mothy said:
I know they are poppping out of the woodwork now. My biggest thing is that the majority are really expensive. Like the new Toshiba announced today is $540. THat is why Either the Cruz or Archos will match all my criteria. But the nice thing is that there seems to be a ton of different options.
Toshiba Folio 100
10.1-inch capacitive touchscreen
1024 x 600
Android 2.2 (Froyo)
NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor
16 GB internal storage (32 GB available SD expansion)
Adobe Flash 10.1
1.3 MP front-facing camera
Mini-HDMI
USB 2.0
Bluetooth 2.1
WLAN (802.11)
Mobile broadband (available Q1 2011)
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Damn that is expensive.
Im mainly looking for a ereader, web surfer, watch some videos on trips, and check my gapps when on wifi.
Check out the stream tv elocity pad. No 3g, but no gps ether. the reason why everyone puts on 3g is because it's the only way to get google apps on it, until google changes their requirements for google apps.
-MW
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My wishlist is 2ghz processor at least 50gb harddrive maybe even (dare I say it) windows 7. I would like my tablet to replace my laptop. Android just isn't ready yet.
I saw talks of honeycomb [url="http://phandroid.com/2010/09/02/android-3-5-honeycomb-to-be-on-samsungs-next-generation-of-tablets-in-2011/]"here[/url] on the samsung tablet. That might be nice . Or that isn't going to be outdated in a few months
Asadullah said:
My wishlist is 2ghz processor at least 50gb harddrive maybe even (dare I say it) windows 7. I would like my tablet to replace my laptop. Android just isn't ready yet.
I saw talks of honeycomb [url="http://phandroid.com/2010/09/02/android-3-5-honeycomb-to-be-on-samsungs-next-generation-of-tablets-in-2011/]"here[/url] on the samsung tablet. That might be nice . Or that isn't going to be outdated in a few months
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I think a 2Ghz CPU, as of right now, is over powered for android. I have a Gentouch78 tablet that runs at 600MHz and it seems to run OK. My 1GHz nexus one has had no issues, and I have it multi tasking several apps at once sometimes. It will get really hot, especially when I toss the car charger on it while its doing all that, but never seen it slow down to unresponsiveness. As for the HDD space. I dont use mine much for multi media, so 50gb would be overdoing it for me. Just the ability to have an SD card slot would be enough for me, that right there is 32 gb.
Now dealing with the android OS itself, this is where things are starting to get wierd. You have 2.2, which is really a phone OS, you have 3.0 which is really a tablet OS, and so the current samsung tablet is supposed to be 2.2 and will get 3.0, but now this 3.5 is where it gets confusing. Some of the stuff I have been reading is stating that 3.5 is going to be an entirely different OS completly, or at least have an entirely different usage beyond that of a tablet or cell phone. And that you will have to buy an entirely new piece of hardware to use it because samsung already said their current tablet wont get 3.5 when it comes out, but i twill get 3.0. This is making me think that 3.5 may be the google chrome OS, which from what I am hearing I am not a total fan of. So basically, the idea as I understand it, is that the hardware will just be the input/output device and all the applications will be stored on teh cloud as well as the work being done will be done on the cloud. This is all nice and dandy until either 1) everyone gets on all at once and bogs down the system or 2) the cloud or network goes down and the device is worthless. Thats why I like android right now. If you have no data connection you can still do work. Now some things on android that do run off the cloud, like the GPS, if you need to reroute and you loose the data connection, since all the work is done on the back end you cant get anywhere until the data connection comes back.
Since Android is a full fledge Linux OS I think it can do whatever you need it to do, you just need to port the apps over. So i think it can replace a laptop, but there will always be certain things that make a laptop easier to use that are unrelated to the android OS, like a real keyboard. With phones, for instance, I still feel more comfortable texting on a physical keyboard on my blackberry then I do on the virtual keyboard on my nexus one. Now can I develope a web page, photoshop some images and toss them on the web page, with android? If they ported the apps over then sure why not, the physical keyboard will just make it easier. But as soon as you start talking windows 7 you are changing the entire hardware requirements (ARM CPU versus an x86 CPU) which will allow you to run your favorite web development software and photo editing software, and now your 50gb of disk space will be all chewed up with the OS and applications but no room for media, and with the new hardware requirements the price goes up (not like the samsung tab isnt expensive either) but then the bottom line is its still awkward to use because of the lack of a physical keyboard.
Now I am just using web development/photo editing as an example, simplier tasks, like email and web surfing, will require less and are easily done on the android OS. But the bottom line is to use the right tool for the right job, outline your requirements and find a solution that best fits your needs. I believe that android will be a decent laptop replacement if all your doing with your laptop is surfing the web and sending email but if your trying to do less casual stuff, like photo editing and web development, then android right now is obviously not enough, but in the future it might be. It goes back to the age old question, does hardware push the software industry, or does software push the hardware industry?
-MW
Here is the Archos 101 in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZD4Mdkt40g
You can see all the new Archos line in action here:
http://archosfans.com/
Nice...
@mothy: They're all very nice and all..but taking out the GPS is like taking a step back.....Price is nice, but I'm sure there'll be cheaper WITH GPS before too long.
marcelol said:
@mothy: They're all very nice and all..but taking out the GPS is like taking a step back.....Price is nice, but I'm sure there'll be cheaper WITH GPS before too long.
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maybe..but for me I have no use for GPS on a tablet....but that is just me. Just like all new technologies price points will get better with maturity of product.
Hello, I am newbie in using (or just having) android tablet and I am seeking one that will suits me. I found this one
Code:
gpccn.com/picshow.asp?id=31&fl=Tablet%20pc
and like it.
I want
capacitive multitouch screen
fast CPU
7 to 10 inch screen
HDMI, USB, G-sensor etc
It looks that this device have all of this, but it has just 512MB nand and it has 1366x768 and I dont know if nand will be enough and if there will be any use for such high resolution if there is no possibilities for using market
What do you thing? Is there anybody who knows this company? Anybody with tablet 1366x768?
Thanks for any reply
ondrapopik said:
Hello, I am newbie in using (or just having) android tablet and I am seeking one that will suits me. I found this one
Code:
gpccn.com/picshow.asp?id=31&fl=Tablet%20pc
and like it.
I want
capacitive multitouch screen
fast CPU
7 to 10 inch screen
HDMI, USB, G-sensor etc
It looks that this device have all of this, but it has just 512MB nand and it has 1366x768 and I dont know if nand will be enough and if there will be any use for such high resolution if there is no possibilities for using market
What do you thing? Is there anybody who knows this company? Anybody with tablet 1366x768?
Thanks for any reply
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Hmmm.... looks like they took a screenshot of an android VM running on ubuntu and photoshopped it into their device. If they don't have any pictures of the tablet in action, I'd be really dubious...
Finally I ordered this one, so will post some review when it arrives.
So I tested tablet I ordered few weeks ago and realized that this is the same device as Advent Vega. I test quadrant benchmark and got 2200 points without any customization of rom.
Screen is nice and response is fast. I can recommend this one.
ondrapopik said:
So I tested tablet I ordered few weeks ago and realized that this is the same device as Advent Vega. I test quadrant benchmark and got 2200 points without any customization of rom.
Screen is nice and response is fast. I can recommend this one.
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Can you tell us where you got it from please? Thanks.
Itaintrite said:
Can you tell us where you got it from please? Thanks.
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I found it on alibaba.com ( w w w . alibaba. com/product-tp/111757797/Nvidia_10Inch_tablet_PC_with_Capacitive.html ) or you can try web I posted before
Back in July I bought the Augen Gentouch 7/8 from K-Mart and while I could see the promise of the Android tablet, the overall device was really nothing more than a toy. A fun toy to be sure, but I could tell there was nothing serious about it. On top of poor build quality (I have gone through 2 of these), the touch screen was awful, there is no factory/vendor support, and the lack of hardware features made it not much more than a very basic e-reader. My cell phone is also an Android, I got my HTC Incredible the first week they were out and have flashed and reflashed it.
So, this past weekend I picked up the Cruz e-Reader ($199 @ Best Buy), the Cruz Tablet ($299 @ Best Buy and the Huawei S7 ($299 @ Best Buy). Out of the box the Velocity Micro Devices seemed to have a very strong product, form, fit and design was solid and sexy, although I found them to be a little on the heavy side (The Cruz both weigh in at 1 lb, and the Huawei is 1.1 lbs.).
The eReader was just horrible. The Touch Screen was unresponsive and inaccurate, the software was way too much for the processor, and there was no market capability. Add to that the lack of a planned upgrade path for the OS and this device is dead on arrival. Buy a Nook or Kindle for $20 less and you will be much happier.
The Cruz Tablet is a much better device, the capacitive screen is responsive and light, and the device seemed pretty snappy. I was nervous at first because the two devices on the floor at Best Buy both seemed to have a glitch that made their unlock screens non-responsive, but mine seemed ok (at first). The lack of the Android Market was only slightly mitigated by Cruz Market, but this is going to be a big hole for people as more apps are released. Also, after much exploring I found a post by Blazing Wolf that finally identified the processor. Turns out it is a MIPS processor, which means Android is a port, something that is sure to make ROMs and other mods scarce. Again, in the end I was disappointed in the device. Yes, it has a capacitive screen, but no camera, no Bluetooth, no phone capability. And oh yeah, 3rd morning I had it when I turned it on the capacitive screen stopped responding completely, same as the two I saw in the store.
So that brings me to the Huawei S7-104. The resistive touch screen is the most responsive one I have ever used. No, it is not as nice as my HTC Incredible, but it is very easy and quick. TWO 2 Mp cameras, one front and one rear, again, not great cams, but that is what the 8 Mp in my phone is for, right? Bluetooth, WiFi 802.11 b/g/n, 3G wCDMA and GSM capable and GPS. Fully working Android Market via WiFi without activating the phone. All this for $299? Are you even kidding me? Right now it comes with Éclair 2.1 update 1, but since it has the 768 Snapdragon Processor I know it is only a short matter of time before a snappy Froyo ROM is cooked up for it. Finally, all of this for $200 less than the 3G version of the Samsung and $300 less than the Wifi version. Oh yeah, this little device rocks!
So I got one of the variations of this rather generic Chinese tablet and am very interested to get development on it going. Some folks over at Slatedroid (currently down for upgrades) started messing around with this tablet.
So far we have root via the normal su/superuser.apk method. There seems to be no NAND lock of any kind or no bootloader mischief going on, Either. The CPU is the same used in the Galaxy S and Tab from what I understand.
Some brave soul (username Asure on Slatedroid) also found an older kernel source for it, as well as source for some of the drivers. We've seen a couple of firmware updates going so far in the last two months or so.
These are the general tech specs for this device, and its similarly named and equipped friends (Dropad A8, Haipad M7, etc):
Dimensions: 196.5*125*14.5mm
Weight: 0.510g
LCD: Capacitive Multi-touch 2-point 7" @ 800x480
CPU: Samsung S5PV210 (ARM v7 Cortex A8) @ 1.0GHz
RAM: 512MB DDR2 RAM
Wifi: 802.11 b/g/n support
NAND: 2/4GB NAND Flash (On most models, some have no NAND or as little as 256MB)
Camera: Front Camera, 1.3MP
Battery: Dual 2250mAh batteries (also seems to change per device 'brand')
Others: USB2.0 support both normal and host mode, HDMI 1.3 output
Runs a rather generic Froyo on it. Ask me for any more info, I hope we can get more support for this going. I'd probably be willing to donate a bit to get interested (and experienced) developers going.
Is there a different thread going on about this device? Search didn't show anything.
Haven't found anything similar in XDA about it or the variants.
I'm thinking of getting it, too. Was hoping I can find more support for this device in here. Gingerbread, plausible?
This device is pretty good, but no xda support yet.
This device is basically a Galaxy Tab Wifi 4GB, as the hardware is the same.
I did a CM7 port for it. See SD for more details, XDA topic is dead
Can't believe there are no more people on XDA who have a Dropad / Haipad / Herotab. Good hardware en cheap! I hope there is a dev who can make a custom recovery for this tablet, that would make it next to perfect!
better buy a branded tablet
That herotab c8 is my second tablet that I bought it from aliexpress, yeah i know it is a lousy place but the price was much cheaper than merimobiles.
I sold back the first cheap tablet which is bloody slow and specs are very low which is under $100.
The second tablet that i bought was C8/herotab/whatever they call it. (yeah I made a mistake twice.)
Before I bought this, I read a bunch of reviews by c8 owners on youtube, including some videos posted on merimobiles. And I convinced myself that 1GHz cpu powered tablet would be great. yeah I was partially right.
Running applications + watching videos are simply awesome. avi, mkv, 1080 play flawlessly, I watch only 720p because of the file size, so watching movie on it was awesome.
cons
Unresponsive compare to Galaxy tab(i think you are going to talk about the price tag)
Compare to the crowd working on branded phone/tablet, Very few people are working on the customised rom.
And bloody heavy, yeah as a tablet half a Kg is pretty heavy.
What else.
I even planned to sell it back but now my daughter plays angry bird, watches nursery rhymes videos on it. So I leave it with her.
The worst thing is no developers at xda are interested to work on it
yes. very good machine. I just know it is generic one with many other name like Haipad M7, Dropad a8, Apad 7009. all of them have an issue in common:
either skype or fring does work on them. I am keen to know if someone has video call working on it. thanks for your input
i managed to initiate a qik videocall via wifi but it took me many calls to get a connection that didnt broke after a vew seconds.
i have installed asure's cm7 beta 0.4 + launcher pro plus with honeycomb theme and layout. works great in everyday use. after deleting the unnecessary phone related apk's the battery lasts for at least a whole at heavy use and up to 2.5 days with much standby time. im loving it. it's not perfect but it's more than you'd expect from such a lowprice device.
Hey if you want ROMS and firmware updates for this device, I think this is THE page you need
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/139-herotab-c8dropad-a8/
Would you please help me to make the best choice?
Hello Guys! How is it going? I'm a newbie here and i'm quite confused about the next phone that i'm gonna get.
The phones i choosed are the next:
Motorola Atrix 2 (1gb dual channel ram, 8mp, FullHD recording with single led flash, android 2.3.5 with Motorola's custom UI, 8 GB internal storage, Full qHD 540x960 resolution with 4.3" capacitive Multitouchscreen TFT LCD Screen with Corning gorilla glass, VGA Front facing camera, strong battery life with 1785mAh, TI OMAP 4430 with dual 1GHz processor and Power SGX540 GPU)
Its $850 dollards with 90 day of warranty, originally came from ATT from usa, sim free.
In the other side the Samsung Galaxy SII (4.3" Super AMOLED Plus with Corning Gorilla Glass capacitive Multitouchscreen, WVGA 480x800 resolution, 1GB of Single channel RAM, 16 GB of internal Storage, Android 2.3.3 with TouchWiz 4.0, 8MP Camera with single LED Flash, FullHD video recording, it has a Dual 1.2GHz Exynos Processor from SAMSUNG with MALI-400MP GPU, 1650 mAh Battery, 2.0 mp Front Facing Camera, Very thin by the way..
It's $594 dollards with 1 Year Full official warranty with Rovery secure.
The atrix is a HSPA+ Capable, both have 3G, 32GB Memory card support, Atrix has HDMI output and webtop support, SAMSUNG Offers possibility to read external storage devices and usb hubs with usb cable.
I'm worried about overheating, and its harware resistance
Wich one would you say that i should go with?
Thanks for your help, by te way i'm Argentinian, i live in the south of America.
Thats not an important fact but will male you understand why do i write english that bad.
I actually own a Motorola Defy and i Like it, never tried Samsung, however theres about 250 dollars of difference in the middle, dont want to waste more for something worst.. thank y!ou
Your focus should be on software updates
Your focus appears to be on hardware. Although hardware is important you need to also consider choosing a manufacturer who provides timely Android updates. You don't want a super phone with great hardware specs running an old version of Android because the manufacturer/carrier won't upgrade to the latest Android.
Those who say "you can just put cyanogen or a custom rom on it" don't listen to them. Without drivers and other source for your specific phone it will take a long time to get a stable custom rom on your phone if the manufacturer never releases source/drivers for that specific model you own.
Also, Motorola/Carrier locks their bootloaders. Could be a problem with custom kernels.
Samsung is famous for not really updating Android on their phones.
HTC is probably better on updates.
Basically, get a Nexus phone. The new Galaxy Nexus should be released in the US sometime this century hopefully. Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S are both made by Samsung, but Google controls the operating system updates on the Nexus line of phones.
SamsungVibrant said:
Your focus appears to be on hardware. Although hardware is important you need to also consider choosing a manufacturer who provides timely Android updates. You don't want a super phone with great hardware specs running an old version of Android because the manufacturer/carrier won't upgrade to the latest Android.
Those who say "you can just put cyanogen or a custom rom on it" don't listen to them. Without drivers and other source for your specific phone it will take a long time to get a stable custom rom on your phone if the manufacturer never releases source/drivers for that specific model you own.
Also, Motorola/Carrier locks their bootloaders. Could be a problem with custom kernels.
Samsung is famous for not really updating Android on their phones.
HTC is probably better on updates.
Basically, get a Nexus phone. The new Galaxy Nexus should be released in the US sometime this century hopefully. Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S are both made by Samsung, but Google controls the operating system updates on the Nexus line of phones.
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Haha, yes! You are right! I Focus too much in the hardware.. I always wanted to have a powerful beast in my pocket, a high end device that fits inside of my pocket that brings to me the possibility to perform as many task as i want just like in a desktop computer! I don't really complain too much about the android version, what i really care about that the android version it comes with is that it works fine, i mean, no bugs, no auto reboots, for example, few months ago i bought a Motorola Defy, quite nice device and still with stock 2.2.1 android, i overclocked and twaked it manually.. But it is still laggy, internet browsing is horrible.. A bit dissapointing.. i've been watching many reviews of Motorola Atrix 2 and Samsung Galaxy SII, I Love the samsung, but i thought that Atrix was more powerfull.. By the way, you are right about Motorola and android update.. I Think that Atrix 2 will die in 2.3.5 .. And the only way to get a Motorola with ICS is switching to Droid Razr.. Thats a bit unfair.. Thats one of the reasons to consider the Samsung.. Is quite pretty also, i wouldn't move from 2.3.3 if it works fine.. You know what i mean.. Something useful, powerful that fits in my pocket and a device that never fail to my daily use..! Google Nexus doesn't exist in Argentina and won't exist i think Here are laws that prohibits to import from other countries.. A bit hard to explain, my dream would be move to Miami and get my high end device for 100 bucks with a 2 years from Verizone.
Take the sgs2, have no regrets .
Softwarewise you can put any of the custom ROMs on it if you are bored and need something new.
Cyanogenmod is very good.
So my mother owns a locally made tablet named "Condor TRA 901G" it's basically a "Ramos i9" with a different label as a name, both have the exact same specs which are Intel Atom Z2580 Quad Core, 2GB of ram, 16GB rom, 8.9" 1920x1200 screen, 5mp and 2mp cameras.
On specs the tablet looks pretty good for everyday use but the only downside is the software, its Android 4.1 is just very very bad... it lags, it freezes on many Facebook Messenger tasks, it warps the images from the camera on anything but the default camera app and the battery life is so bad on it, the company who made it have abandoned it, only released one update that made the tablet a little bit more useful then how it used to be and nothing else.
So what can I do with a x86 tablet with these specs? can I root it? is there any custom firmware that are compatible with it? or can I install Windows 8.1 or 10 on it? is there any links that can help?
Thank you so much.