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Alright, this is a strange one. I'm wondering if anyone else can confirm this, although I bet few have probably noticed it.
I normally update my installed apps by going to the Market app and selecting "My Downloads." Often times I'll see "update available" and then I install the update, which wipes out the previous version.
Last week, I found an app called aTrackDog, which basically is a version tracker for your apps. It goes out and finds new versions and notifies you, so you can go download your updates. It not only follows the market, but also the app developer's homepage, in case they release their update through different mediums. I don't use it to install or uninstall, just track my versions.
This is when I started paying attention to the version numbers of a few apps. For this example, we'll talk about Advanced Task Manager and Pandora. I updated ATM from 3.5 to 3.6, and Pandora from 1.0.0 to 1.1.0. To do this, since the market didn't say there was an update, I uninstalled each app, and then reinstalled from the market. Everything was great, and each app showed its new version, from the splash screen on Pandora, to how ATM was listed in Task Panel, as version 3.6.
I just rebooted my phone because I was getting the 99% uptime thing, and wanted to mess around with killing the messages task to see if that made a difference. Much to my surprise, when my phone restarted, my phone has reverted many of my apps back to older versions.
My Advanced Task Manager now is back to version 3.5, Pandora is back to 1.0.0, and many other apps are affected.
This seems like a MAJOR BUG. Can anyone else confirm this at all?
To recreate this issue, if you have Pandora version 1.0.0 currently, or 1.1.0, uninstall and reinstall it. You then will have version 1.1.1 I believe. Then reboot your phone, and start Pandora back up. Does it still say 1.1.1?
I have found this also happens with Advanced Task Manager, and Mileage. I'm sure there's others, but those are a couple of examples. This has happened to me at least twice that I'm aware of.
EDIT-- Here's three links on other Android forums where someone else is experiencing this same thing.
http://androidforums.com/htc-hero/12577-app-updates-cause-problems-icons-etc.html
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/apps-reverting-to-old-version-27414/#post262526
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/127189
I've noticed this too. I've really noticed it with NewsRob because it will pop up a message stating " A new version is available", but the Market knows what I downloaded last so it states that there is no update. I was wondering, since I too had Atrackdog installed (not anymore) if it was an issue with that program, maybe an issue with just what version was listed in certain programs (as in some piece of code to display the version number got messed up) or if there really was automatic downgrading going on...
jakeblues55 said:
I've noticed this too. I've really noticed it with NewsRob because it will pop up a message stating " A new version is available", but the Market knows what I downloaded last so it states that there is no update. I was wondering, since I too had Atrackdog installed (not anymore) if it was an issue with that program, maybe an issue with just what version was listed in certain programs (as in some piece of code to display the version number got messed up) or if there really was automatic downgrading going on...
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I've tried to remove aTrackDog, and I'm still getting the same behavior. I really doubt that it has to do with that app, but rather the people that use that app are more aware of version numbers, and are the ones noticing it.
I'm assuming lots of people have Pandora on this board (or mileage, Advanced Task Manager or NewsRob for that matter) so we need more people to try to reproduce this issue!
What I'm trying now is to uninstall the app (in my case I'm using Pandora as it says the version number on launch) then reboot the phone, and then reinstall, use it to see the new version, and then reboot to see if it gets reverted.
What's the result? IT REVERTED AGAIN. This is definitely a bigger issue than we realize...but WE NEED PEOPLE TO REPRODUCE THIS.
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I also emailed Pandora support to see if they can't reproduce the issue or help me figure out what's up.
I also emailed the devs for aTrackDog to see if they can't shed some light on what might be going on. Hopefully they'll be quick to help, so we can squash this biznatch.
I also posted a question in the App Market Google Forum, and hopefully someone at Google will help figure this out. http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=56ff6f465d6e5e34&hl=en
I also reproduced this issue with TEN more apps:
Astro File Manager
Google Sky
Google Voice
Backgrounds
Barcode Scanner
Shop Savvy
Battery Widget
Daily Horoscope
Facebook
Movie Finder
Google, you got some 'splaining to do.
I use Astro to backup files to my SD card. After I reboot I go through all the "red" files (ones where the SD card version is newer than the installed version) and "upgrade" them with the SD card version.
Alas the Market app tends to "lose" the fact I downloaded some of these apps and no longer tracks them for updates
Something is definitely wrong somewhere.
I'm seeing the same issue, I even tried a factory reset and still happening.
You can add to the list:
Touchdown
Sipdroid
I think it is just about all apps. Even if you uninstall and reinstall the latest version seems to revert back to original version you installed for the first time.
Locale...
This happened to me this week with Locale. I had beta .68 and upgraded to beta .69.
A couple of days later, I noticed I was still running beta .68. I thought maybe they had forgotten to update the name in the app itself, but after seeing this thread, I'm betting it's an HTC Sprint Hero bug.
I also re-visited the Android Market to see if I could re-download beta .69, but it didn't recognize that the program could be updated. It must think I'm running beta .69, but I'm pretty sure I'm still rocking beta .68.
Verrrrry strange...
I just reproduced this as well, with AK Notepad.
I had 1.9.3b installed; upgraded to 1.9.4. rebooted; now it shows 1.9.3b again
I'm using modaco's rom with apps2sd setup. Is this happening on stock heros too?
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From what I've been able to gather from Handcent SMS's version changelog and look for in the actual application I have on my phone, it appears that it is only the display of the version that is reverting, not the application itself. I have this issue with Handcent and even the "about" dialog inside the application reports the older version, but I am seeing features and changes that only appear in later versions according to the changelog. We'd need a major update of an application to test this further.
edit2:
grinched from #android on EFNet helped test this on a stock CDMA Hero and was able to replicate it with Barcode Scanner.
lonequid said:
I just reproduced this as well, with AK Notepad.
I had 1.9.3b installed; upgraded to 1.9.4. rebooted; now it shows 1.9.3b again
I'm using modaco's rom with apps2sd setup. Is this happening on stock heros too?
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<ignore, wrote in wrong thread>
See my fix in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=581806
gilroykilroy said:
See my fix in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=581806
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I'm going to root my Hero and give this a shot tonight. A HUGE preemptive THANK YOU!!!!!
This has been driving me nuts!!!
Nathan, you might want to try this one too (maybe first)?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582176
Basically the same thing, but you delete the entire cache directory instead of just the broken ones one at a time. The cache is recreated after you reboot.
mercado79 said:
Nathan, you might want to try this one too (maybe first)?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582176
Basically the same thing, but you delete the entire cache directory instead of just the broken ones one at a time. The cache is recreated after you reboot.
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Just an FYI, I'm married, but I friggin love you guys!! This is why XDA is my favorite place. Such a wealth of knowledgeable and great people. Thanks again everyone, MUCH MUCH appreciated.
Ooops... forums are acting buggy.
Guys.. I may have found a MARKET FIX
I hold no responsibility for anyone having issues after doing this, or while trying it. As always, Nandroid backup before changing/modding important files. I followed this video, step for step in real time as he did it. On my CM6.1 b2 running G-Tablet and followed his instructions. After rebooting and opening market mine went back into the accept terms for a second, but then went right to market. (Make sure Wifi is on and connected) And now things that weren't showing up before are all now. Dropbox, titanium backup, Kindle, Tweetdeck and other things I was searching for when i realized we didn't have a full market. This is nothing hard. No changing Android ID's or anything technical like most fixes. It's all done on the tablet. Watch the video. And try it if you feel comfortable. I know this worked for some on zpad clean rom's, and not for others. You must clear the cache.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l-nySibzeA&feature=related
Still not completely full market but way more than before. Most of the normal things are showing up now. Almost double the results now in the Android Market. Excellent!
Good Luck Guys! This fix was originally for the Winstech tablet, but it has also been said to work for Archos Tablets and almost any Android Device that's struggling with full Market.
This may also help some users.
KorbenD
I finally got this working by ending the tasks and then clearing the data for Google Framework by using Titanium Backup. Any of the other data/cache management tools should work too.
The quick test to see if it's working is to try running Market after clearing data. If you get an error, then it should be done. Reboot. Be sure you have a connection before running Market again.
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and another person mentioned this regarding my possible fix in the Large thread that is now closed.
After I updated apps via Titanium my Market Download list started to populate.
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Clear data through Titanium CONFIRMATION!
xguntherc said:
This may also help some users.
and another person mentioned this regarding my possible fix in the Large thread that is now closed.
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That's awesome! Thanks a lot! I was going to try it in CM6.1, backup Titanium and restore. But, I was able to just do this in Titanium, running ZPad Clean .3
My Downloads appeared as well. Also was able to download and install purchased apps.
UPDATE: I tried backing up the Google Service Framework and Market after doing the hack via Titanium. I reloaded builds and GApps and did a data only restore(only option it gives) via Titanium thereafter. The market came up as expected.
Beat you to it by a few hours:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=845175
I put it in the Apps section as it seems a good place for it. All references were documented, however!
thanks for the shout.. Well. We'll just leave it here anyways.
Titanium Backup definately works!
And a big Thank you to everyone who figured it out! My Gtab is now officially awesome.
(First off, this is my first post so my apologies if I've done anything improper here)
Ok, so there are a lot of posts about Titanium Backup restore issues but I haven't quite been able to fix my problem. I'm not trying batch restores or anything complicated like that, and the advice I've seen in the past and on the Titanium Backup FAQs doesn't work. Here's my problem:
Yesterday I backed up then uninstalled "Facebook for HTC Sense 1.0" but then realized that my phone (HTC Incredible) uses that to link my contacts with their Facebook profiles (for pictures, birthday notifications, etc.). So today I went to restore it and Titanium Backup just hangs (there is a spinning wheel on the left and it says "Restoring App: 'Facebook for HTC Sense 1.0'") It does this whether I try restoring just the app or app+data.
I have root and updated busybox from the "Problems" button in the app. Many people on here have said to go to "Troubleshooting settings" and change the "App processing mode" but when I go there that option is greyed out. I'm sure this would work (it has for others it seems), but I don;t know what to do since it is greyed out.
I thought about reinstalling Titanium Backup, but I don't want to lose my data to restore from. I don't know how that works.
Anyone know what to do?
UPDATE: Well I don't think reinstalling would help, since an update just came through the market. I figure an update would've fixed anything that a reinstall would have. Also, to add a little more information on the problem, I was able to restore "Adobe Reader 9.0.1" but not able to restore "Footprints 1.10" (another HTC built-in app)
I have the same problem on my HTC Desire.
After installing the latest CyanogenMod, I wanted to return a couple of the HTC-supplied apps. Titanium Backup gets superuser permissions and seems happy, but then freezes at 0% restore. The application processing option in preferences is always greyed out.
Hi guys, one thing that I learned while migrating to Cyanogenmod is that restoring HTC apps will really hurt stability and possibly lead to bootlooping, as there is no HTC sense framework for their apps to work correctly. AFAIK, there is no way around that. I learned the hard way that restoring all apps and data just will not work between AOSP roms and Sense roms. I'm sorry I can't offer more help on it, but you'll need to pick and choose your apps and data and make sure you don't bring Sense/HTC stuff into Cyanogenmod. I know, it's frustrating! Good luck guys!
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We'll my problem is slightly different because I'm still using sense. I didn't load any new roms. I removed it and then tried to restore the next day without making any other changes. So why won't my apps restore?
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what did you remove? was it a system app or something you installed from the market? system apps, when "removed" even when backed up, don't reinstall from my experience. I never had any problem reinstalling any user apps that were properly backed up though.
I'm wondering if this is something to do with HTC's "S on" extra security.
Need to read up on this — anyone have a good resource about it? It seems a bit more obscure than just rooting, with some unreliable-looking websites about it. And I'm coming at this as a total n00b
But the system folder does indeed seem to have some kind of extra write-protection going on, even when accessing it as root.
I have a G2X and I have also learned the hard way that Titanium will not restore system apps. So the problem your having has nothing to do with Sence. If you search the for forums hard enough there is info on the topic
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So... If I do a factory reset on my phone then, will all be fixed? Or does uninstalling it remove it from wherever the factory reset would pull from?
I'll probably need to root it again after, but I just want that "Facebook for HTC Sense" app back so my contacts link with their facebook profiles for continually updating phone numbers, profile pictures, etc.
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Problem Solved
I flashed Liberation Enhanced v1.00 yesterday and everything is fixed. Liberation does all that I wanted to do in the first place: have Sense without the bloatware. It was my first time flashing a new ROM and I'm happy to say it went very well
(Now once I get enough posts in, I can add it to my signature like everyone on here seems to like to do)
guess you fixed the issue, but dealing with Titanium Backup, i sometimes have it hanging when i freeze/unfreeze or sometimes it hangs/freezes when backing up/restoring. in the settings there's like some different restoration methods it lets you choose (Direct, Indirect, and something else), but switching it to Indirect Method fixed the issue for me, so just incase someone else runs into a similar problem. im on a SGS4G.
Liquid Smoke said:
guess you fixed the issue, but dealing with Titanium Backup, i sometimes have it hanging when i freeze/unfreeze or sometimes it hangs/freezes when backing up/restoring. in the settings there's like some different restoration methods it lets you choose (Direct, Indirect, and something else), but switching it to Indirect Method fixed the issue for me, so just incase someone else runs into a similar problem. im on a SGS4G.
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I think what you're talking about may be part of the "App processing mode" option that I said was greyed out for some reason on my phone.
Apologies for a long post.
But more importantly... "THANK YOU" to all the members of XDA-Developers!! (Too many individuals to list/remember separately)
OK, long story:
I have a 32 GB wifi Xoom. I upgraded from Tiamat kernel 1.4.1 to Tiamat Moray Rom 2.2.2 last week. In the kernel, I was experiencing sluggishness, FCs (launcher, market), and long (2 min. +) boot times. Moray fixed the sluggishness and the FCs, but boot time increased by 30 sec. (no big deal).
After about 6 days (yesterday), problems started mounting, and my device "eroded" (steadily crept toward what I saw as death.):
* The wallpaper had strange markings/moire
* Gmail FC'ed immediately
* None of my computers would recognize the Xoom file system (after having done so minutes prior on my work machine and that morning for my home machine).
So...
I attempted to reflash Moray-- things got worse, EVERYTHING FC'ed, wifi died.
I attempted to restore my nandroid (of Tiamat kernel before I originally flashed Moray)-- things hit rock bottom, it bootlooped.
This morning, I was about to give up. I had already placed a new Xoom in my Amazon.com shopping cart.
But, I tried again...
From you amazing contributors, I was about to find potential answers, and hope
One guy had the exact problem I did:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1240904
In other places, I learned about adb and fastboot and Motohelper PC drivers.
Now, I have just finished a nandroid of a "clean" Moray flash.
I'm ecstatic.
But, also worried. I have NO CLUE how/why the problems started.
If anyone who made it through reading all this has any idea to help me and others, or confident words that the problem(s) are gone for good, please pass them along. Basically, I would like to know if there are specific apps to avoid, filetypes to never save, actions to never perform, etc...
This ordeal has taught me that ANYTHING on xda-developers is potential gold.
Anyway, thanks again from a slightly-less-noob-ish Xoom user.
A lot of times, all the problems mentioned can be completely avoided by doing a clean install of any rom. I always do this even if the directions say it is unnecessary. by wiping all data, you are removing any incompatible or corrupted files from your device. For force closes with google apps, it can be caused by not having the proper signature from the maker itself. I have avoided this in all roms I have made by not resigning them and even removing them entirely, since they can be installed from the market.
As far as the long boot times, the incompatibility of apps and corruptions removed during the wipe process should have fixed this as well as the system isn't trying to start and piece together these apps.
I hope this gives you a little understanding as to your issues and why they happened...if you want a further explanation, please contact me. Also, I am glad to see your issues are fixed and you didn't purchase another xoom...
another tip...restore your apps only and not system data from titanium backup...a lot of times, the data is not compatible with the new system you put on your device.
dhemke17 said:
A lot of times, all the problems mentioned can be completely avoided by doing a clean install of any rom. I always do this even if the directions say it is unnecessary. by wiping all data, you are removing any incompatible or corrupted files from your device. For force closes with google apps, it can be caused by not having the proper signature from the maker itself. I have avoided this in all roms I have made by not resigning them and even removing them entirely, since they can be installed from the market.
As far as the long boot times, the incompatibility of apps and corruptions removed during the wipe process should have fixed this as well as the system isn't trying to start and piece together these apps.
I hope this gives you a little understanding as to your issues and why they happened...if you want a further explanation, please contact me. Also, I am glad to see your issues are fixed and you didn't purchase another xoom...
another tip...restore your apps only and not system data from titanium backup...a lot of times, the data is not compatible with the new system you put on your device.
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Excellent advice!
dhemke17 said:
A lot of times, all the problems mentioned can be completely avoided by doing a clean install of any rom. I always do this even if the directions say it is unnecessary. by wiping all data, you are removing any incompatible or corrupted files from your device. For force closes with google apps, it can be caused by not having the proper signature from the maker itself. I have avoided this in all roms I have made by not resigning them and even removing them entirely, since they can be installed from the market.
As far as the long boot times, the incompatibility of apps and corruptions removed during the wipe process should have fixed this as well as the system isn't trying to start and piece together these apps.
another tip...restore your apps only and not system data from titanium backup...a lot of times, the data is not compatible with the new system you put on your device.
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Thanks. Your words are spot on:
1) I fixed the problem by learning how to install/use fastboot to get rid of *everything*.
2) My force closes began immediately after boot of Google apps: Gmail, Market, Video, Browser, and something called "ancore" (I guess its the core android os).
3) Between my original flashing of Moray and the disaster, I had installed two potentially "improper" apps: the ICS Gmail that was circulated in a Tiamat Moray thread here, and tTorrent. Neither will be reinstalled on my "new" Xoom.
4) In my panic to reflash Moray and restore my nandroid, I may have mixed system data and made things worse.
I may leave my Xoom alone for awhile until I have more thoroughly researched xda-developers.
mightydr said:
Thanks. Your words are spot on:
1) I fixed the problem by learning how to install/use fastboot to get rid of *everything*.
2) My force closes began immediately after boot of Google apps: Gmail, Market, Video, Browser, and something called "ancore" (I guess its the core android os).
3) Between my original flashing of Moray and the disaster, I had installed two potentially "improper" apps: the ICS Gmail that was circulated in a Tiamat Moray thread here, and tTorrent. Neither will be reinstalled on my "new" Xoom.
4) In my panic to reflash Moray and restore my nandroid, I may have mixed system data and made things worse.
I may leave my Xoom alone for awhile until I have more thoroughly researched xda-developers.
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There is a wealth of information here, almost all of it buried in the back pages. It's a guarantee that "someone" has had the exact same problem, and usually has been able to find a solution, and as you said, almost everyone wants to share.
Hello, I am hoping y'all can tell me if my phone is just bad hardware, or if this is normal. Since installing the update, I've had to factory reset my phone 4 times so far after something triggers hotboots. Every time I try to ID an app or it is involves the SD card, it turns out to not be related when installing the next time after a reset.
Today I installed all of my paid apps from the Google Market, many of my Amazon apps, and then moved everything to SD card without issue. After downloading so many apps, I'd use App2SD Pro to move them over in batches, and log the apps being moved or installed and if they triggered hotboots.
I then started grabbing the free apps that I could remember using from the Market, reboot, and still fine. When I felt I was nearly done and "safe", I decided to move the last 6 apps that could be moved over to my SD card. Upon rebooting, hotboots began. Uninstalling anything that even looks like it loads into memory automatically, plus those 6 apps, has not helped.
I am wondering if I am tripping some counter when I near/exceed 200 apps and that is triggering hotboots until I factory reset. Currently trying to uninstall more apps between hotboots in the hopes that will help. I am suspecting it is Gingerbread, as I did see this on a leaked build, and not on Froyo.
Those last 6 apps were nothing system related. Just NASA, Inotia 3, Kayak, Medieval Empires, Defender, and Elixir 2. Earlier it tripped after installing Android Assistant and Android System Info. Before that it tripped when I added the Amazon shopping, Student, MP3, and Pricewatch apps.
Why so many apps? Just testing some out to see what I like and don't like.
So, is my phone hosed or salvageable? The hardware has been great so far, just software issues under Froyo and I suspect the same with Gingerbread.
And is anyone else able to repeat this issue on their phone?
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
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Thank you Lufc, I totally spaced when I posted it in the wrong area.
Troubleshooting further (by selectively adding the 50 free apps I own from Amazon), the hotboots do indeed seem to be related to having around 200 apps installed.
Could anyone else please test this theory out and confirm/refute them from your experience?
Haha, I can't even think of having that many apps. what's the point of you installing that many? Do you actually use all of them?
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Nah, I really don't use most of them. I just want to see what is out there and test stuff out. Since uninstalling quite a few, I've been stable. Shame I have to uninstall anything when I still have plenty of storage and ram.
I'm having similar problems. Have around 200 apps I like. Not everyday, but occassional. In trying to build an EP4D system using stock or Infinity everything goes bad each time I exceed some fairly large number of app installs. The system is then too unstable to fix and I end up rebuilding.....
I have 195 apps on top of stock ep4d deodexed/debloated that I use a fair bit. I have been totally stable. I should admit that I froze a bunch of stock BS though.
Your hardware is probably fine. You could try stability test from the Market to see if you're hardware seems stable. I personally haven't had any problems with app-whoring so far.
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It's hard to get a total number of apps, but counting the bloatware and the number of icons under apps gives me a good approximation. I've been trying and testing, and each time the phone is perfectly fine and stable up until around the 200 mark. Odd that I see this under Gingerbread, but never under Froyo. I wonder if Gingerbread has some little known bug that we are hitting when run on our hardware.
I bet you something is borked that that is unrelated to actual number of apps.
What I would do is:
Install Titanium Backup.
Backup the apps you want. Don't backup stuff like that's included in your ROM of choice like Gmail since you can update that via Market. Just backup the stuff you know is not already installed and that you will want.
One thing that auto-updates no matter what I seem to do on stock/deoxed EP4D is Google books.
When you get all your backups then go ahead and nuke your phone. I suggest using CWM 4.0.1.4 to create a backup image in case you need to restore without having to set up your system.
Install whatever ROM/kernel/etc. you want.
Get Root.
Install Titanium Backup.
After everthing is booted, I usually let the Market update and let the couple few apps that the Market wants to update download.
When you are ready, run a Batch operation with Titanium Backup to restore all your apps. Its your choice whether you want to restore data as well.
Generally, I restore app + data because few of my apps have trouble restoring the data.
Run all your apps to make sure they work. Clear data on apps that don't work.
I suggest clearing data on the Market after you get all your apps working.
Freeze the crap that you don't want running.
See what happens.
I kid you not, I have no nearly 0 problems restoring over 190 apps with a batch operation.
Earlier today my phone, after 2.5 hours of heavy use, started turning itself off within minutes of being booted. Swapped battery, cleared cache, played with wifi settings and 4g, nothing worked. Reset the phone and all is well. Decided to only load apps I actually use, and will follow the steps in the post above later tonight.
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I bet you something is borked that that is unrelated to actual number of apps.
What I would do is:
Install Titanium Backup.....
I kid you not, I have no nearly 0 problems restoring over 190 apps with a batch operation.
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Not sure if it's related to number of apps or size of installed apps, but this is a real thing on EP4D. i'm having it happen on Stock, Debloated and Infinity. It occurs at just over 200 apps. Phone works great until one too many batch restores of 5-6 apps and then it will start hotbooting and become uncontrollable. Only thing to do is reinstall. Done it about 5 times now.
In order to get to 200 or so apps (at least the 200 I want), I always end up having to do some Apps2SD movements for Plants vs. Zombies, etc. I actually think the problem is related to that because I installed around 175, dropped all games (which is all I will move to SD) and then batch restored another couple of dozen and it appeared stable for as long as I left it.
Gonna go back, install debloated from scratch and install only what I gotta have. Just tired of messing with it.
I rooted and restored only the bare minimum of what I use, plus a few games. I just don't want to mess with it anymore. I did use Tom's guide to pull off some bloatware (backed up first) and will just leave the phone alone for now. I lose too many hours tweaking every damn program each time, logging in and tweaking settings lost its fun the 5th time I restored.
Applications now listed exactly 100 apps, and I don't want to fight with it anymore. At least not for now.
Kimmie, who thought I had broke it when I rooted last night and did not have data. Glad to see Verizon had a 12 hour or so outage then, and that my phone is fine.
I'm now at about 198 or 199 apps that I installed on EP4D deodexed/deloated using batch (app+data) on Titanium Backup and it works perfect.
Yikes, I wonder if a few more apps is going to put me over the edge.
In this case, I'm thinking you should get some logcats and see if anyone can give you any hints- unfortunately, I don't have much experience with reading logcats, but its worth a shot.
Again, don't know if it's exact number or some combo with how much has been moved to SD. Here's an AppBrain list of what I currently have working. I didn't look so I hope there's nothing TOO embarrassing in there .
I also own an Asus Transformer and here's the AppBrain list of what is on that machine. Obviously I'm basically just trying to make the two match up so I can do whatever I want regardless of which device I have with me.
Somewhere between the two lists is where I start getting the hot loops right after the machine gets to the desktop on a powerup.
For me it is the total number of apps, and not related to moving to SD. I tested this with smaller file size apps as our internal rom is gimped at barely over 1gb. I have Amazon's free app of the day to thank for a wide selection of apps to test.
Think it could be related to our CPU?