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First, the new Droid Sans for the dev phone works great! If you haven't seen it, check the market!
That program, and some of the other apks, such as the one for flash seem to get a ton of really stupid comments in the market. Also, the market now seems to be too big, with not enough sub-categories to find things easily.
IMO, there should at least be a category for advanced users and developers only. (Maybe even one which you would have to sign in to visit, with a big disclaimer saying something like "These programs will not run on most G1s. They are programs for rooted or (don't know if Google will like the rooted part), developer's phones. Many of them are apk's for developers to make it easier for them to write better apps for you, rather than stand-alone-apps. If you are a developer, or an advanced user, please sign up to download the apps."
Is there a place to suggest improvements to the market to Google?
(Maybe I just am feeling nasty after looking at all those grade school comments in the market).
kathi17 said:
First, the new Droid Sans for the dev phone works great! If you haven't seen it, check the market!
That program, and some of the other apks, such as the one for flash seem to get a ton of really stupid comments in the market. Also, the market now seems to be too big, with not enough sub-categories to find things easily.
IMO, there should at least be a category for advanced users and developers only. (Maybe even one which you would have to sign in to visit, with a big disclaimer saying something like "These programs will not run on most G1s. They are programs for rooted or (don't know if Google will like the rooted part), developer's phones. Many of them are apk's for developers to make it easier for them to write better apps for you, rather than stand-alone-apps. If you are a developer, or an advanced user, please sign up to download the apps."
Is there a place to suggest improvements to the market to Google?
(Maybe I just am feeling nasty after looking at all those grade school comments in the market).
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tbh i think that if you had a moderator (obviously not just the one ) who
monitored the market and removed stupid comments and who could even issue 24 hour bans or something it would improve things tenfold.
and about the rooted section, google wouldn't like it but what can they do? no matter what they release people will find a way to get root access again google might as well just release cupcake with root access already enabled.
If Google released cupcake with root access, there would be an awful lot of happy G1 users!
I see you have RC30, do you have auto rotate with your pictures? Now that I've got the new Droid Sans, everything except pictures seems to auto rotate. (although I've only tried one photo so far, I need to check others).
which app is for flash?
would u send me code for how to use different font in android
installed this app- this rocks.
debro012 said:
which app is for flash?
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Action Script Reference. It doesn't do Flash, it's a help for Flash and Flex developers. (I added that in case there are any non developers reading this who think they are going to have Flash by downloading it).
All i want in this thread is only if you are interested in developing/themeing/ect. for our Open Android Alliance Project. Post requiring info needed.
Open-Android-Alliance Create a fully open source Android OS
The new site is officially up: Home of Open Android Alliance register now everyone
As you all are probably aware Cyanogen has been sent a Cease and Desist order.
The purpose here comes from an idea of Sr. member Doooshty where we should
use this opportunity to get everyone come together and create alternatives to Google'
apps we are calling on anyone with experience who is up to the challenge to set this
straight and out "Android" Google.
People we are rebuilding android as we see fit if you want to Frankenstein it to hell open another
thread... OPEN SOURCE ALL THE WAY if i can not get the source one way or another it is not being used
This however is not about Getting back at google or who was in the wrong in the C&D
This is solely a project about distributing a *Flavor* of android that is fully customizeable
and does not rely on google or other copyrights...
As of now the goal is a Rom (No google at all) that we can make calls from and text
I would like all apps to be developed in house so it is easy to get in contact with the developer if we
want to make any changes or get intouch with the origional developer to make sure they approve.
All apps to be open source not just free and require writtin permission from origional developer giving permission to edit (mainly visually)
THIS IS ALL EXPERIMENTAL AT THIS TIME
We are going to need several things from devs such as:
1. New app store
slideme.org
anddevstore (cant find exact link)
various other new open source projects in process of being developed
Obsidiandesire is looking into the android store
2. New email system
Dev needed
3. New Navigation
Dev needed
4. New IM client
Dev needed
5. YouTube
Dev needed
Talk of porting a .flv player but unclear about content copyright
6. Setup Wizard
(App developers is it possible to create a simple app that is basicly
a drop down with all major carriers APN settings that will
automaticly set at first boot?)
irrenhaus discovered it is a only database change. Any app developers
want to look into this with him?
7. Sync Alternative
Dev needed
8. Browser
(steel, default, opera)
Dev needed
I would like to get permission before using them if possible.
9. Making apps talk to each other.
Dev needed
10. Space for development files.
Anyone?
we Should open one of them google project pages jk
11. We need a centeral "stock" theme perhaps we can get some prototypes drawn up. this is so the visual
designers have something they can go against so every app has a sort of "flow" to it and color schemes are
not changing drastically through every app. (this can be changed later)
90% of useful apps come from this website in some way so i believe along with Doooshty and Cyanogen
that this can be accomplished...
CALLING ALL DEVS!!!! If you are interested in taking android away from the chains
of the man post here or send me a private message.
Can anyone create a Rom with no google what so ever to start with so we can see where
we need to go from there?
This is coming along nicely (other then the occasional "This is dumb blah blah blah") I want to thank everyone for taking an interest in this.
Now while other ways may work like loop holes and loading close source apps on the user end at this point it will require one of 2 things either 1. Each developer does it thier own way (which is perfectly fine). or 2 automatically import the closed source apps in via script (which im sure could be painless in itself) while this is easy the visual customization would be alot less user friendly AFAIK such as theming. Say you got that nice new manup theme everything just flows together but u open up a stock browser/email/whatever it really throws off the experiance I may be completely wrong but this is what I think.
Dont get me wrong i love google but id rather not have them stopping development right as we got something new rolling.
Stop Talk. Do Work.
Just to save you some time, Google Maps is already freely available from the Android Market:
http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.google.android.apps.maps
I don't know about the other apps though...
Alright
Alright that's good but if there is no market it wont be easily updated i would think without other software.
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Alright that's good but if there is no market it wont be easily updated i would think without other software.
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Well, as far as I understand (and this is TommyPickles' theory) Google was pissed off because Cyanogen included a pre-release version of the new Android Market from Donut.
If that's the case, there would be nothing to prevent him from including the current Cupcake Market (or so I would hope).
F*** it who need those crappy Apps anyways. Just replace them with some that actually work better!
Yea but...
cacahahacaca said:
Well, as far as I understand (and this is TommyPickles' theory) Google was pissed off because Cyanogen included a pre-release version of the new Android Market from Donut.
If that's the case, there would be nothing to prevent him from including the current Cupcake Market (or so I would hope).
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That could be the case, however what is stopping them from doing it again we need to break the chains here.
i dont know if you need it or not but i working on a music player as a project for my projects class in school, maybe this can help in some way?
Freedomcaller said:
i dont know if you need it or not but i working on a music player as a project for my projects class in school, maybe this can help in some way?
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Hey Every little bit helps im sure we can run it through some test and if we get an alternative store released we can put your project in there
Meebo IM is free and is much better then the google im app. It has Gtalk, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Facebook Chat, MySpace chat and more
http://slideme.org/ looks like the best replacement for Market.
My concern is with the sync code. You can build the providers from AOSP, but you can't actually sync without doing the registration process, which requires the closed-source SetupWizard and Checkin applications.
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Hey Every little bit helps im sure we can run it through some test and if we get an alternative store released we can put your project in there
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edit: **** my distypesia kicked in...
cool it probably wont be done for a bunch of months tho, as its not due till the end of the simester and the android API has me totaly confused. but it has to get done otherwise i fail the class :-O
lol
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cool it probably wont be dont for a bunch on months tho, as its not due till the end of the siemster and the android API has me totaly confused. but it has to get done otherwise i fail the class :-O
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Well keep us updated no telling how long this is going to take :/
Well any ideas on the Setup or Check in apps what are thier purpose cant we just ditch them and use other methods of syncing?
nephron said:
Meebo IM is free and is much better then the google im app. It has Gtalk, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Facebook Chat, MySpace chat and more
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eBuddy is supposed to be very good as well.
What would *really* suck is if they force him to remove the Calendar, Gmail, and the Browser...
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What would *really* suck is if they force him to remove the Calendar, Gmail, and the Browser...
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Gmail is easy enough to replace, and the other two you mentioned are both open source, so their safe.
testing567 said:
Gmail is easy enough to replace, and the other two you mentioned are both open source, so their safe.
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Alright that's good to hear but the main one now is going to be the set up... think we could implement the hero one? I am not sure if that's htc property or Google property any info on this?
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eBuddy is supposed to be very good as well.
What would *really* suck is if they force him to remove the Calendar, Gmail, and the Browser...
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the browser sucked compared to steel browser anyway
jjcd51590 said:
Alright that's good to hear but the main one now is going to be the set up... think we could implement the hero one? I am not sure if that's htc property or Google property any info on this?
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We should try to not rely on the Hero roms for anything because the entire thing is considered closed source. The only difference is HTC hasn't complained yet. I'm guessing it will hit the fan with HTC the second a hero rom is ported to a non HTC device.
I vote for replacing the browser with steel
and email app with k9-mail.
We need also to patch the installer to be able to install apps to system.
True True
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We should try to not rely on the Hero roms for anything because the entire thing is considered closed source. The only difference is HTC hasn't complained yet. I'm guessing it will hit the fan with HTC the second a hero rom is ported to a non HTC device.
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Yeah your right about that how would a non-Google experience android phone work then anyone know? and i was just throwing ideas around lol thanks for clearing that up
i went to the google site http://productideas.appspot.com/ and left the idea leave him the hell alone or hire him
I need the mind of a good hacker. Somebody who knows the ins and outs of all these programs and how to make them work better.
My question is this:
Would it be at all possible to have an apk file that can extract necessary files on to the SD card to boot up as a temporary "recovery boot mode" that runs outside but next to your ROM?
Then how about adding a function on your phone (widget or an app) that will bring you to the "2nd operating system"? I guess that's what it'd be right? The thing that controls all the deleting and installing of new zip's... Anyways, make this 2nd operating system a lot more visually functional than the (clockworkmod recovery, xionia, etc..) other rec. modes.
I mean we're working with tiny laptops. These are computers, not "phones". They just make phone calls too. Why would you LEAVE a program in "MS DOS" mode? Spice it up, give it pictures...
Anyways... Bad rant but valid.
Let's wrap all of these up in one program. One "App". This app will scan what firmware you're using, use that info to disregard some roms from your selection and only allow you to flash a rom that will work with your phone or was made for your phone. Browse through working models of some of the mods (actually test function and design by looking at 1 to 4 interactive pages of the phone design (lock screen, how it looks when you rotate the rotary to unlock but does nothing else).
I have some ideas how this can be "realistically" done, but not the programming knowledge to know how to actually do any of this.
The thing is, if you can do this - I will bankroll you. Just making up for the time you spend doing this though. I'm not going to pay you like your boss does so don't quit. I mean we can work it out. 50 bucks a month or something. Just something so you can tell your friends and loved ones "I'm getting paid, let me get on the computer".
If it is possible to do and it gets done... **** man, I'll give you a thousand or something. We'll see how much I have at the time.
Let me know if you're interested so we can work out how much you will need.
Also, sorry whatever mod is reading this and about to ban me (I read the warning. sorry.)
I defend myself by saying that in no other forum could I find the specific target group for this question. This is exactly the people I need to ask this because this clearly isn't a question related to "Live wallpaper Deadmau5" as in the "Android Software Development" forum.
Anyways, if this idea even just gets done... that's the important part. Progress in technology. What a ****ing thrill...
*Disclaimer*
Seriously, if you take this idea and make money off of it... Well, just change your IP address so it doesn't match up with your current one and hope this site doesn't tell that you were on this page. Reading my post. That is time and date stamped. That will hold up in court that you did this idea after you read this post. Plus how long after you read this did you do it and is that about the time it takes to start right after you're done reading.
On a lighter note - You know this will make money. I'm already going to pay you. But if it's such a great idea, shouldn't I get at least half of the cut this makes on the market? You wouldn't be doing it if I didn't have this great ****ing idea.
TL;DR:
Can we flash a rom without rebooting first?
Uhh...you want a dual boot? I'm confused
sent from my epic 4g. with the key skips.
It is possible, at least on the HTC devices, or especially threw Desire HD:
We got Ubuntu running from a boot.img and if we flash something like that into the recovery partition, simply a boot.img as recovery-system, then it should boot and maybe we can build a simple Linux from scratch for it and enable fastboot somehow to get the simple features.
And maybe we can get something more out of it.
Or we just use a small Android.
But isn't the ROM Manager a little like your idea?
You can choose device-specific ROMs, flash them, do backups, you just got to reboot.
That's the only difference to your idea, isn't it?
Hats off to everyone on this forum. It's been awhile since I been on here and I am happy to see it still going strong.
I am new to the S8+ and new to modding in 2019. I haven't messed around with this stuff since the "getting the evo to work on boost" days. I am looking for some advise/recommendations on what to choose as far as roms, etc., from the gate from someone who may have had an experience in what I'm trying to achieve rather than going through hundreds of rom post to find the answer I'm looking for. I stepped away from "smart" phones for awhile and came back only when I found out I could lock them down as much as possible using programs like bk disabler (rip). Even root at the time didn't list the "apps in the background" (if you know what I mean) for me to edit or disable them.
I am looking to root (if needed anymore) my device and install an ultra slim/lite rom, no extra apps on it that don't need to be there, especially social media apps. Not sure if roms still come with a separate gaps install option but not having them is fine as well as I will not be signing into any account on my phone and will only want to use youtube as far as the only goog service used, so i wont be able to use any of them anyway besides tube (unless of course there is now a way to use maps and such without signing in?). If theres such a rom out there of course it would need to be stable. I do not want android 9 as none of the apps I actually use (like bk disabler/acr/etc) work with pie from what I have read. Goog wants all the tracking to themselves now I guess, hence why I am looking for a rom that is as slim as possible. I just want to make calls, text, browse the web and use the tube without having all kinds of accounts and sign ups for any of it. I am really tired of big tech but going back to a black and white nokia in 2019 is not an option anymore.
So a few questions I have would be.. Whats the best root process? I see Odin is still a thing so which version should I be using, also which kernel should I be using? Are different roms still based off different kernels, if so which is better? And lastly what rom should I choose or which rom creator is now the person to look out for?
I know I'm oldshool at this point so please bare with me on these questions. Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
I tried doing a search and couldn't find a relevant thread, but I have a few questions...
OK first, the issue that brings me here is the only web browser that I like (Boat) has long been dead and out of development, it's long not been on the play store but I've had the APK for a long time and just transfered it to every new phone I got so I could keep using it. I have tried finding a different browser, but I hate them all, none of them have any of the features I want. My last phone was running Android 9.0 and Boat was still working on it. Well, I got a new phone now (Pixel 4a 5g) that has Android 11 and boat still mostly works... except it crashes if I click the bar at the top to type in a URL and a few other bugs... but otherwise still works flawlessly.
1. So, I'm wondering first is it even OK for someone to look to hire a developer to basically update a dead app? Any website and contact information for the original developer no longer exists, but I don't know if it's OK for someone to take over a dead app like that, if it would be considered stealing or something.
2. Second, well if it's OK... I have the last APKs of the browser and I had used a guide to deconstruct the APK into a project thinking maybe I can figure it out and how to update it so that it still works but... yeah that's not happening. So I have the APK files and the already deconstructed into a project and was wondering where I can ask about hiring a developer just to basically update the app so that it still works (bug fixes only, not really making any changes to the look/feel/etc, just fix any bugs or code that's old and deprecated and doesn't work anymore)? And when I say hire, I mean like actually hire, with real money.
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I tried doing a search and couldn't find a relevant thread, but I have a few questions...
OK first, the issue that brings me here is the only web browser that I like (Boat) has long been dead and out of development, it's long not been on the play store but I've had the APK for a long time and just transfered it to every new phone I got so I could keep using it. I have tried finding a different browser, but I hate them all, none of them have any of the features I want. My last phone was running Android 9.0 and Boat was still working on it. Well, I got a new phone now (Pixel 4a 5g) that has Android 11 and boat still mostly works... except it crashes if I click the bar at the top to type in a URL and a few other bugs... but otherwise still works flawlessly.
1. So, I'm wondering first is it even OK for someone to look to hire a developer to basically update a dead app? Any website and contact information for the original developer no longer exists, but I don't know if it's OK for someone to take over a dead app like that, if it would be considered stealing or something.
2. Second, well if it's OK... I have the last APKs of the browser and I had used a guide to deconstruct the APK into a project thinking maybe I can figure it out and how to update it so that it still works but... yeah that's not happening. So I have the APK files and the already deconstructed into a project and was wondering where I can ask about hiring a developer just to basically update the app so that it still works (bug fixes only, not really making any changes to the look/feel/etc, just fix any bugs or code that's old and deprecated and doesn't work anymore)? And when I say hire, I mean like actually hire, with real money.
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First topic is about licence agreement and legal stuff. It is owned by "Boatmob, Inc." / "Digital Life International Limited" / "Crunchbase Inc.". Although the app was for free, it does not seem to be a free licences. But I am not an expert in this area.
About the browser app itself, I have seen that you were already active here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/boat-browser.3821682/
You either need a permission of the owning company and then maintain the app yourself (or via a hired dev), or you have to switch to another and still actively supported browser app.