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Posting this on an android forum your going to get major disagreements, but I totally support you. Switched from an iPhone 3Gs to a Nexus S and I would change back in a heartbeat!
Everythings so much more, polished, okay not as many mods, etc for battery life but the battery lasted so much longer anyway!

cdaly985 said:
Posting this on an android forum your going to get major disagreements, but I totally support you. Switched from an iPhone 3Gs to a Nexus S and I would change back in a heartbeat!
Everythings so much more, polished, okay not as many mods, etc for battery life but the battery lasted so much longer anyway!
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that's exactly what I want, i want people to argue their case, i've explained through personal experience why I feel this way, if somebody beg's to differ, I want them to explain why! Please enlighten me!
As it stands there are more mod's and tweaks available for a Jailbroken iOS!

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i jailbroke and unlocked a lot of iphones i must that iOS is a dry OS with nothing to look for too after i saw the iOS 5... also iTunes is a Piece of **** of a program..
i cant imagine myself need to jailbreak everytime i update the phone it kinda annoying and insane..

TDMaster said:
i jailbroke and unlocked a lot of iphones i must that iOS is a dry OS with nothing to look for too after i saw the iOS 5... also iTunes is a Piece of **** of a program..
i cant imagine myself need to jailbreak everytime i update the phone it kinda annoying and insane..
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the iOS updates only come once every few months, and only when major updates are required. In this case, u wait until that release is jailbreakable and hold off. In the mean time u can find apps that backup all ur tweaks and settings so its a simple backup and restore process once u re-jailbreak on the newer firmware. no biggy.
iOS is only dry if you don't tweak it, if u use all the tweaks and addons, lockinfo screen, biteSMS, sbsettings, home screens, dock modifiers, it's all there.
I don't see how you can say it's dry if the apps on iOS look pristine compared to Android apps

Android is easier to work with

Stupidusername7 said:
Android is easier to work with
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easier to work with how?! have u used a jailbroken iPhone?? at least explain

UKROB86 said:
easier to work with how?! have u used a jailbroken iPhone?? at least explain
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The only thing jailbreaking really allows is the use of 3rd party apps...which android can do out of the box. Not a shot at you, but you probably don't know enough about android or computers in general to have a clear cut idea of what you can really do. The ability to use adb and fastboot and apply System themes (not just overlays) make the possibilities endless. The ability to change between sense, touchwiz, blur and AOSP ROM's. Changing fonts, creating your own app icons, bootanimations, splash screens. Android gives you the tools to easily do these things on your own, not just use someone elses. You can create your own theme in 10 minutes online.
Cydia would not be possible for Android. The tweaks and mods android uses go much much deeper into the system than anything on Iphone. Changes made to the system are not compatible for every phone. And with the such high number of android phones it would make it an almost impossible app to keep up with, and not really worth the time.

I'm going to leave most of this topic alone, as I've never used an iPhone and therefore have no way of countering any claims made in its favour, however I must point out that I don't consider the availability of pirated apps when I decide on which phone to purchase.
If you can afford a $600 phone you can probably afford to buy a few apps as well.

UKROB86 said:
the iOS updates only come once every few months, and only when major updates are required. In this case, u wait until that release is jailbreakable and hold off. In the mean time u can find apps that backup all ur tweaks and settings so its a simple backup and restore process once u re-jailbreak on the newer firmware. no biggy.
iOS is only dry if you don't tweak it, if u use all the tweaks and addons, lockinfo screen, biteSMS, sbsettings, home screens, dock modifiers, it's all there.
I don't see how you can say it's dry if the apps on iOS look pristine compared to Android apps
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It is a huge headache about iOS updates. Yes you don't have to update, but what if your device broke and you needed a replacement? All your pre-5.0 SHSH blobs are now useless and you are stuck with a phone that is user friendly enough for your mom, but not powerful enough for yourself.
I don't even need to explain how terrible iTunes is.
Yes, iPhones are all good phones, and iOS is a good OS, no doubt about that (actually I myself am an iPhone user). But to say it's easier to mod and tweak iOS than Android is just not true.

lowandbehold said:
The only thing jailbreaking really allows is the use of 3rd party apps...which android can do out of the box. Not a shot at you, but you probably don't know enough about android or computers in general to have a clear cut idea of what you can really do. The ability to use adb and fastboot and apply System themes (not just overlays) make the possibilities endless. The ability to change between sense, touchwiz, blur and AOSP ROM's. Changing fonts, creating your own app icons, bootanimations, splash screens. Android gives you the tools to easily do these things on your own, not just use someone elses. You can create your own theme in 10 minutes online.
Cydia would not be possible for Android. The tweaks and mods android uses go much much deeper into the system than anything on Iphone. Changes made to the system are not compatible for every phone. And with the such high number of android phones it would make it an almost impossible app to keep up with, and not really worth the time.
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ok i see your point on some stuff here, it is "possible" to make these smaller detail changes to Android and not just overlays (ful themes etc) but you have to completely do it all yourself using command lines, pulling files, modifying java perhaps etc this also probably requires a computer therefore u can't just do it directly on your phone like you can with cydia, its also not organized into categories simply for downloading and patching, as it is with cydia
I beg to differ about the depth (system wise) of these tweaks and mod's, because although you have to do more work to apply them on android, the depth of them, relative to the system processes, is exactly the same really.
Either way, I do see your points, do you have any suggestions for good methods of modifying say for example: the colour of the GSM reception bars ONLY, in absence of everything else, without having to code in java?? (it would probably be very hard to come up with a simple answer to this question, yes i know. Because it's not straight forward and easy like it is on a jailbroken iPhone)

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It is a huge headache about iOS updates. Yes you don't have to update, but what if your device broke and you needed a replacement? All your pre-5.0 SHSH blobs are now useless and you are stuck with a phone that is user friendly enough for your mom, but not powerful enough for yourself.
I don't even need to explain how terrible iTunes is.
Yes, iPhones are all good phones, and iOS is a good OS, no doubt about that (actually I myself am an iPhone user). But to say it's easier to mod and tweak iOS than Android is just not true.
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simple, if this was to ever happen and you lose your previous SHSH blobs then u just have to wait AT MOST, a month of jailbreak to become available. maybe 2 weeks, if its a fresh firmware
most likely if u had a replacement device then the firmware if came with would be jailbreakable anyways because each firmware gets jailbroken very quickly, and again its not like they come out with new firmwares every week. Rarely do people run into SHSH blob problems now that it's always auto backed up by cydia
forget itunes.. what do we use it for now anyways? its only a partial server backup of ur apps and such, i dont use it for music or movies etc.
In any case, when i upgrade firmwares, i resync all my apps back, from itunes cracked or not.. and all the backed up cydia apps and tweaks also.. in no time ur device is back to normal.
Im still saying its definitely easier to mod and tweak iOS when it's all laid out for you right there in cydia, without having to punch a whole bunch of command lines, pull files, edit some java and then put the file back in, thats the bare more hard way to ever have to tweak or modify for your average non-programmer user.

UKROB86 said:
simple, if this was to ever happen and you lose your previous SHSH blobs then u just have to wait AT MOST, a month of jailbreak to become available. maybe 2 weeks, if its a fresh firmware
most likely if u had a replacement device then the firmware if came with would be jailbreakable anyways because each firmware gets jailbroken very quickly, and again its not like they come out with new firmwares every week. Rarely do people run into SHSH blob problems now that it's always auto backed up by cydia
forget itunes.. what do we use it for now anyways? its only a partial server backup of ur apps and such, i dont use it for music or movies etc.
In any case, when i upgrade firmwares, i resync all my apps back, from itunes cracked or not.. and all the backed up cydia apps and tweaks also.. in no time ur device is back to normal.
Im still saying its definitely easier to mod and tweak iOS when it's all laid out for you right there in cydia, without having to punch a whole bunch of command lines, pull files, edit some java and then put the file back in, thats the bare more hard way to ever have to tweak or modify for your average non-programmer user.
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Hmmm at most a month? Are you sure about that? I waited 3 months before I could jailbreak my iPad 2. And that's because comex was not working for Apple then. Apple has always been keen on patching vulnerabilities so I would imagine jailbreaking becoming more and more difficult.
Cydia backs up the blobs automatically? How can you even do that if you can't jailbreak in the first place?
Sure, Cydia is easier for average users. But how good is it if you can't even put it on your device?
Anyways I don't think it's a good idea for a user to mod his phone if he can't even search on forums for mods.

UKROB86 said:
ok i see your point on some stuff here, it is "possible" to make these smaller detail changes to Android and not just overlays (ful themes etc) but you have to completely do it all yourself using command lines, pulling files, modifying java perhaps etc this also probably requires a computer therefore u can't just do it directly on your phone like you can with cydia, its also not organized into categories simply for downloading and patching, as it is with cydia
I beg to differ about the depth (system wise) of these tweaks and mod's, because although you have to do more work to apply them on android, the depth of them, relative to the system processes, is exactly the same really.
Either way, I do see your points, do you have any suggestions for good methods of modifying say for example: the colour of the GSM reception bars ONLY, in absence of everything else, without having to code in java?? (it would probably be very hard to come up with a simple answer to this question, yes i know. Because it's not straight forward and easy like it is on a jailbroken iPhone)
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Rom Toolbox has icons for the GSM reception bars, along with some others.
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MilkyJoePD said:
Rom Toolbox has icons for the GSM reception bars, along with some others.
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i'll check it out for sure

UKROB86 said:
ok i see your point on some stuff here, it is "possible" to make these smaller detail changes to Android and not just overlays (ful themes etc) but you have to completely do it all yourself using command lines, pulling files, modifying java perhaps etc this also probably requires a computer therefore u can't just do it directly on your phone like you can with cydia, its also not organized into categories simply for downloading and patching, as it is with cydia
I beg to differ about the depth (system wise) of these tweaks and mod's, because although you have to do more work to apply them on android, the depth of them, relative to the system processes, is exactly the same really.
Either way, I do see your points, do you have any suggestions for good methods of modifying say for example: the colour of the GSM reception bars ONLY, in absence of everything else, without having to code in java?? (it would probably be very hard to come up with a simple answer to this question, yes i know. Because it's not straight forward and easy like it is on a jailbroken iPhone)
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Personally, I would rather it not be that easy to tweak and mod. Changes that deep into the system can eff up your phone, and if it is as easy as clicking an app..you probably won't know how to fix it. Plus, when it is hard, less people do it. So while you debate about Apple being better, I already know my Android is better than the guy's next to me.

Well as said, something like cydia would not work for us since we have so many devices with different hardware and structure. I do not get what you mean by more customizable though. We can change our notification bar, launcher, icons, system layout, anything. Literally anything. Why? Cuz we have the friggin source code. I could go and get the source code and make android have some code in it to make a backdoor that sends your private information to me. I really could do anything. Get how drastic the changes could be? Now here's what it comes down to really, the app developers. The people who would spend time and implement your ideas or make apps that would satisfy your needs. Nothing to do with android the system, has to do with its ecosystem however.

Well in my opinion, the Android is not easy to work with, but it is easier to understand. I used to be an Iphone user but, it didn't work out for me. Its features confused me and I didn't understand what its JailBreak meant for it. I also found it difficult (Was an Iphone Jailbreaker ) on how to get to where I wanted to get.

One major thing to consider: Android has more than one phone. Not every single developer has the same exact phone which they are all developing for. If every Android user had a say, HTC EVO 3D, then the development community for the EVO 3D would be huge, like Apple's. This is not a draw back, but a difference between the two platforms. I respect both, but I love Android too much to leave with. And yes with multiple phones comes fragmentation, but hey get the best phone every time you can, like me, or root that SOB!
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Do these comanies really think we like their interfaces (sense, touchwiz and so on)?

They are putting so much effort into these new interfaces - now all redone for ICS. And you look at these new interfaces and you say to yourself - WHY?!
Take Samsung's new TW for ICS. Why oh why would they take anything that is so fresh and new and put the same old TW - making the phone look like it's old before it even came out?
Now HTC are doing the same.
They are all missing out on the fact that users would rather just have it 'the way it is". This is the reason XDA is so full with people changing the roms, and so on.

benyben123 said:
They are putting so much effort into these new interfaces - now all redone for ICS. And you look at these new interfaces and you say to yourself - WHY?!
Take Samsung's new TW for ICS. Why oh why would they take anything that is so fresh and new and put the same old TW - making the phone look like it's old before it even came out?
Now HTC are doing the same.
They are all missing out on the fact that users would rather just have it 'the way it is". This is the reason XDA is so full with people changing the roms, and so on.
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That is sad. I've had opportunity to play with vanilla ICS on my HD2 and love it so much I was hoping HTC wouldn't mess it up with Sense or the same old thing. I have an Inspire waiting for the update and want vanilla ICS...or something resembling it. I guess rooting will have to be an option to get what it should have.

You may not like it, but alot of people do. Sense is a beautiful thing. The companies absolutely have to implement their own UI. To the casual user, this is the only selling point that distinguishes one company from another. A non-tech savvy person could care less how many Ghz the CPU runs at, or how many cores it has...they are going to pick the one with the pretty screen. If us at XDA don't like sense or touchwiz, we flash an AOSP based ROM...problem solved.

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You may not like it, but alot of people do. Sense is a beautiful thing. The companies absolutely have to implement their own UI. To the casual user, this is the only selling point that distinguishes one company from another. A non-tech savvy person could care less how many Ghz the CPU runs at, or how many cores it has...they are going to pick the one with the pretty screen. If us at XDA don't like sense or touchwiz, we flash an AOSP based ROM...problem solved.
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I disagree. I did think that for a long while, but made my own little survey. I asked literally anyone that I know and has an android if they would rather give more to speed or to looks. Across the board ppl say "speed, speed, speed". These modern smartphone are insanely hungry - they sometimes need to run more tasks than my personal PC. Yes, you do get the occasional teenager that says that "the way it moves [sense] is soo cool". But all things aside, I am not sure these teenagers are the biggest buyers. I may be completely wrong here though, and perhaps this is what counts. I am in my late 20's so the ppl i ask are my circle of age

benyben123 said:
I disagree. I did think that for a long while, but made my own little survey. I asked literally anyone that I know and has an android if they would rather give more to speed or to looks. Across the board ppl say "speed, speed, speed". These modern smartphone are insanely hungry - they sometimes need to run more tasks than my personal PC. Yes, you do get the occasional teenager that says that "the way it moves [sense] is soo cool". But all things aside, I am not sure these teenagers are the biggest buyers. I may be completely wrong here though, and perhaps this is what counts. I am in my late 20's so the ppl i ask are my circle of age
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My opinion on it was null until I used ICS. Having Sense or TW on GB or FroYo is no big deal to me or any kind of tragedy. But ICS is altogether a much different affair. It is the best Android Google has ever conceived and it will feel like a horrible downgrade covering it up with an OEM UI.
With GB or FroYo, I could install any 3rd-party UI if I didn't want Sense or TW and I didn't mind. Right now, in fact, I'm using an authentic iOS UI on my Inspire. But with ICS, it's already the best UI humanity will ever be graced with using. Sense or TW will only muddy it.

benyben123 said:
I disagree. I did think that for a long while, but made my own little survey. I asked literally anyone that I know and has an android if they would rather give more to speed or to looks. Across the board ppl say "speed, speed, speed". These modern smartphone are insanely hungry - they sometimes need to run more tasks than my personal PC. Yes, you do get the occasional teenager that says that "the way it moves [sense] is soo cool". But all things aside, I am not sure these teenagers are the biggest buyers. I may be completely wrong here though, and perhaps this is what counts. I am in my late 20's so the ppl i ask are my circle of age
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I don't disagree with you one bit. I never go away from AOSP ROM's. I'm just saying why they do it. It's like asking Nike to make some shoes without the swoosh...
But you can't disagree that they don't cover both end of the spectrum by using their own UI. The manufacturers know that if the techy people don't like it, we just get rid of it.

benyben123 said:
I disagree. I did think that for a long while, but made my own little survey. I asked literally anyone that I know and has an android if they would rather give more to speed or to looks. Across the board ppl say "speed, speed, speed".
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Well, duh, if you ask your question like that... But the problem is, with such a question, you're not getting the data you want to get. The way to get what you really want know, they would need to be using (and for more than 30s) both interfaces on the same phone. Only then could you get a valid answer as to which interface they prefer.

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I cant DISAGREE MORE
Sense (and HTC's build quality) is all that is keeping me AWAY from Samsung.
And on that same note, Touchwiz and Blur are all that keep me away from Samsung and Motorolla....
If HTC stopped making Sense I would switch to IOS. Stock android is UGLY and lacks the functionality of Sense.

Well hopefully Samsung (and other mfgs) move towards the GUI being "less intrusive" to the OS. Have it as a launcher option instead of being imbedded into the OS. This would make OS updates quicker and give people a choice (as in keep it, use vanilla, or use another 3rd party launcher like LP, Go, etc).

adelmundo said:
Well hopefully Samsung (and other mfgs) move towards the GUI being "less intrusive" to the OS. Have it as a launcher option instead of being imbedded into the OS. This would make OS updates quicker and give people a choice (as in keep it, use vanilla, or use another 3rd party launcher like LP, Go, etc).
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I can't agree more emphatically with this. This is exactly what they all should be doing. It would please everyone all at once.

adelmundo said:
Well hopefully Samsung (and other mfgs) move towards the GUI being "less intrusive" to the OS. Have it as a launcher option instead of being imbedded into the OS. This would make OS updates quicker and give people a choice (as in keep it, use vanilla, or use another 3rd party launcher like LP, Go, etc).
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Yup, you are wrong here. It is not intrusive enough, and that is the main problem. Sense, touchwiz, blur, etc. are just overlays. This fact causes the ROM to be huge and use up resources which causes the lag. If it was "more intrusive" and built into the framework of the ROM, the performance gains would be huge.

I hated touchwiz on the sgs, although it added some nice functionality it had alot of annoyances. However I love tw on sgs2. But this of course is on GB. If they just stuck the same looking tw on Ics I'd be upset. Ics changed the ui so dramatically (imo positively) that I feel that manufacturers should also adjust. Of course I feel that since we all know companies will throw in their own overlay, I hope it will now be in a way that will not interfere as much with the update process.
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Now with the ICS they can stop putting so much effort in messing with Android UI. There are some changes that I really like, such as Samsung notify bar and contact.

I love Timescape UI, and from what I saw, the ICS update will mix Timescape with ICS, it will be so beautiful, i think. I just have to wait until I buy my Nozomi
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You can either: flash a custom rom or just live with it. No biggie for me though.
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You can either: flash a custom rom or just live with it. No biggie for me though.
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You have to root first before you can flash a custom ROM. And from what I see of the rooting process of the Inspire, it's pretty complicated and technical. So rooting isn't really a viability in this case.

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You have to root first before you can flash a custom ROM. And from what I see of the rooting process of the Inspire, it's pretty complicated and technical. So rooting isn't really a viability in this case.
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Well, it's not very hard though....
Root phone
Install recovery
Boot to recovery and install
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PROFIT!!! (For typical Android phones)
Then if everyone is so paranoid about manufacturer skins or updates why don't they simply get a Nexus? Problem solved. Or they can go for other platforms such as WP7....

Because we aren't iOS or WP7 where everyone has the same layout, style or icons, and we all look the same.
Personally I hate the stock look, it looks bland and right now cliched due to the unchanging appearance. (yes, I will say the ics launcher still looks like gingerbread/froyo/eclair to me, just a different color, whoopteedoo)
However I like the other poster's ideas of including the ics stock interface, as this was also proposed in the sgs 2 forums. Rather give us the touchwiz/sense/blahblah and include ics stock if we don't like.

sooyong94 said:
Well, it's not very hard though....
Root phone
Install recovery
Boot to recovery and install
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PROFIT!!! (For typical Android phones)
Then if everyone is so paranoid about manufacturer skins or updates why don't they simply get a Nexus? Problem solved. Or they can go for other platforms such as WP7....
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Have a look at the Inspire process. I understand the general process and can do it rather painlessly on most other phones, but the process for the Inspire is overwhelmingly intimidating.

MartyLK said:
Have a look at the Inspire process. I understand the general process and can do it rather painlessly on most other phones, but the process for the Inspire is overwhelmingly intimidating.
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True dat. I wonder why HTC is locking their bootloaders when other phone manufacturers like Sammy and SE are doing right now. Even Moto is going to unlock their bootloaders too.

Android Roms Market idea

I've been using the site for sometime and just wanted to put an idea if someone smarter than myself wanted to come up with technical details to make this work or it may already be in development but I'm not aware of it.
Getting the latest android update on phone with hardware capable of using it keeps coming up in a lot of articles that I read and it feels that the masses will probably never come to xda forums to get the updates they may want or need due to their lack of understanding of how to go abouts updating a rom.
The roms for most phones are being done by the community quicker and more reliable than the manufacturer in some cases. Here is what I think would work for masses to get the updates without the knowhow:
Create a process to get these custom roms quickly and easily loaded on to anyone's phone without them thinking about how to reboot in recovery mode. Similar to the Samsung devices getting updates from heimdall app found on this site. However it needs to be dumbed down and should be automatic when the user plugs in the phone.
This could be done by having a windows/mac application which when your phone is plugged in or connected wireless to your local network it would recognise what device you have and any additional information such as boot loader information it needs to search for official roms automatically from the manufacturer. If there is no updates then give the user the option to search for a market like store for unofficial roms which come with a warning to run at your own risk. These would be from the xda forums however they will need to meet a certain requirement as flashing from pc/mac may require a unique process from adb which is the key part to this idea working and I'm not too familiar with it to know if it's possible for some phones or all android phones. This store will contain different roms with user ratings of which is the most reliable rom. Essentially creating a market for roms. The user then clicks install and first thing the software does is to backup everything to save the state on the users hard drive in case you need to revert back to original.
This market should be controlled like the app store by the creators incase people abuse it. This means the requirement for any roms listed would be to include the default google experience and maybe a section for non pure google experiences as an option. It would be better if google created this app/process but let the roms be user/manufacturer driven.
Then through word of mouth/twitter/blogs this windows/mac app and within short time many people will be on ICS without much effort on google.
The android market is crying out from something like this to funnel all custom roms into a place accessible for the masses(knowing the risks of doing so). This separates the hardware binding to one specific software made for it, the user should be able to choose from selection off software which suits best for the hardware he/she purchased.
Obviously this is just an idea but hoping you clever people can come up with something similar. XDA Android Updater maybe

Isn't this exactly what ROM Manager does?

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Isn't this exactly what ROM Manager does?
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Nah he wants a better implementation that's dumbed down and on windows etc...
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Do you mean that custom ROM's are more reliable than stock ROM? Are you kidding, there are tons of issues with most custom ROM's, just read around here at XDA. But often those issues are not a big problem for a XDA enthusiast, since he chooses a ROM that suits him and also know how to work around those issues. But custom ROM is not something I would recommend my sister or my parents or any non-techie friend.

There are many roms which have become very mature and to a stage with minimal issues. I installed a ICS for my brothers desire, there may be some issues out there but many he won't come across such as migration apps from titanium backup. However he still gets to experience e latest functionality that the OS brings and he seems much happier with as the experience has become more smoother and quicker. I agree that there will be some which will be very much beta most of its lifetime and the market should reflect the known issues such as we have on the forums here.

Terrible.

After a week with this phone my general consensus is that it works terribly.
First, let me say the hardware is great and the industrial design, the look, is top notch and the only reason I still have the phone.
HTC has really made this phone bad and AT&T hasn't helped by not letting us put our own rom on it to fix the major issues.
Firstly, Gmail push email only works when it wants to work. This is a 2007 issue that's been solved for half a decade.
When I leave my house and I try to use data, the phone shows as still being connected to my WiFi and therefore no data will work. So I have to manually turn wifi off.
Multitasking? Yea right. At first I was puzzled as to why after switching back to an app it would restart. Was the phone running out of RAM? Doesn't it have 1GB? Turns out it's a software thing. Again, multitasking was an issue solved in 2007.
These are the only major issues with this device, and they are major because it affects me multiple times a day.
If this phone didn't have great hardware and look awesome I would have returned it the same day.
The fact that these issues can all be solved by flashing another rom gives me hope that this will someday be a useable device.
Just needed to rant.
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We didn't need that rant

Well. I feel better after I wrote it
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I have to admit: the multitasking thing really bothers me. I can't duplicate it on my Gnex and that alone makes me wonder about this phone. It seems to go against everything Android stands for. If I wanted a phone that saves states, I'd use my iPhone.
Love the camera on this phone and the screen is amazing. I love some of Sense's customizations such as the Facebook and Twitter integration in contacts, but they seem to have kind of ruined ICS. My GSM Gnex got just as good battery life with full blown multitasking.

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I have to admit: the multitasking thing really bothers me. I can't duplicate it on my Gnex and that alone makes me wonder about this phone. It seems to go against everything Android stands for. If I wanted a phone that saves states, I'd use my iPhone.
Love the camera on this phone and the screen is amazing. I love some of Sense's customizations such as the Facebook and Twitter integration in contacts, but they seem to have kind of ruined ICS. My GSM Gnex got just as good battery life with full blown multitasking.
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Do you know if we would use cm7 or any other custom rom that we would be able to multitask properly? That is bothering me as well. It keeps reloading everything. If the hardware wasnt so nice, it would have gone back already.

I would imagine so. I think Sense is prematurely killing apps to save memory.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

seriously??
its obviously whatever they set as the default mem manager and how aggresive they set it, probably to do with the scheduler too
i can replicate that behaviour on my cappy by adjusting mem manager to aggresive....so..i wouldnt fault the phone. theyll either adjust it in an update due to feedback, or we can just control it ourselves once we are all on a custom rom.
you shoulda known this if youve ever run any sort of custom rom....one would think. but now you do....so fret no you must young padiwan, good things coming they are, wait you must.

ptesmoke said:
seriously??
its obviously whatever they set as the default mem manager and how aggresive they set it, probably to do with the scheduler too
i can replicate that behaviour on my cappy by adjusting mem manager to aggresive....so..i wouldnt fault the phone. theyll either adjust it in an update due to feedback, or we can just control it ourselves once we are all on a custom rom.
you shoulda known this if youve ever run any sort of custom rom....one would think. but now you do....so fret no you must young padiwan, good things coming they are, wait you must.
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I have no doubt that something like Cyanogenmod would resolve this, but I don't want to install a custom rom and shouldn't have to. The phone should work correctly without hacking it.
From the few responses I have seen from HTC reps that users have contacted, they don't seem to think this is a problem. They claim this is "how multitasking is intended to function". That tells me a fix will not be forthcoming.

Bigjim1488 said:
We didn't need that rant
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we really didnt. Seeing that there is a shortage of the same rants on the forum right now.

greyhulk said:
I have no doubt that something like Cyanogenmod would resolve this, but I don't want to install a custom rom and shouldn't have to. The phone should work correctly without hacking it.
From the few responses I have seen from HTC reps that users have contacted, they don't seem to think this is a problem. They claim this is "how multitasking is intended to function". That tells me a fix will not be forthcoming.
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I'm not trying to troll, but how do so many people that want to run stock end up on xda lol? I love the hacking & experimenting aspect of Android. That being said, I don't really see any problems with the multi-tasking outside of the browser reloading so much (I've been using Firefox more anyway & it works fine). My galaxy nexus wasn't that much better either. Could htc have done a better job? Sure, probably. But the phone is pretty impressive, multi-tasking issues aside.

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I'm not trying to troll, but how do so many people that want to run stock end up on xda lol? I love the hacking & experimenting aspect of Android. That being said, I don't really see any problems with the multi-tasking outside of the browser reloading so much (I've been using Firefox more anyway & it works fine). My galaxy nexus wasn't that much better either. Could htc have done a better job? Sure, probably. But the phone is pretty impressive, multi-tasking issues aside.
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You may have noticed (or not, depending on how observant you are) that not every post on here is about hacking, modding, and rooting. Some people actually come here to talk about the phones, report bugs, compare notes, ask questions, etc.
Multitasking is much worse than a browser refresh. Start up Pandora or Slacker and let them run in the background. They will die. Start a game and then open a few other apps and come back to the game and it will completely reload and lose all progress. This is not how Android multitasking is supposed to work.
And I'm sorry, but waiting for a custom rom to make this phone work correctly is like buying a Macbook Air, getting nonstop kernel panics and hoping that someone will release a version of Linux that you can install on it to make it run correctly.

greyhulk said:
You may have noticed (or not, depending on how observant you are) that not every post on here is about hacking, modding, and rooting. Some people actually come here to talk about the phones, report bugs, compare notes, ask questions, etc.
Multitasking is much worse than a browser refresh. Start up Pandora or Slacker and let them run in the background. They will die. Start a game and then open a few other apps and come back to the game and it will completely reload and lose all progress. This is not how Android multitasking is supposed to work.
And I'm sorry, but waiting for a custom rom to make this phone work correctly is like buying a Macbook Air, getting nonstop kernel panics and hoping that someone will release a version of Linux that you can install on it to make it run correctly.
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I do understand that there are plenty of non-development threads given that this is in "general". Nobody is making you keep the phone and wait for a fix either. But you are right, it is a vital function of the phone and you would expect it to perform as it's supposed to. Every phone I've owned has had some kind of flaw or quirk and the developers here do an awesome job fixing them as well as making the phone better in almost every aspect fairly quickly.
*Edit - So after thinking about it, I realized that I haven't really used the multi-tasking feature all that much and decided to put it through some tests. Apparently it does suck lol so I apologize ...using home to exit current app then going back to a previously used app via the launcher does work a little better, but there is definitely some work to be done

Rants are good. Gets the word out on issues that hopefully get resolved.

At least be accurate with your rant. From a little googling the Tmobile G1 was release in 2008 and Gmail push was released in 2009, not 2007.

I have never really understand why htc...spend money make their own sense android... and they know people will try anything to get aosp back...
also those people who has galaxy nexus and tries to port sense...UI....god...they must have time....

I went to a store to try this device tonight. The hardware and screen are simply awesome. Sense even looks nice and the UI was lightning quick. It is really disappointing that basic things like WiFi-3G handoff and multitasking are not working right...things I've taken for granted for awhile on CyanogenMod. I agree with others, I was hoping to not have to mess with custom ROMs at all, by now it should just work great out of the box. Now I have to monitor the software situation here and compare to the SGSIII when it's released.

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I have never really understand why htc...spend money make their own sense android... and they know people will try anything to get aosp back...
also those people who has galaxy nexus and tries to port sense...UI....god...they must have time....
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Firstly, Gmail push email only works when it wants to work. This is a 2007 issue that's been solved for half a decade.
-> gmail works fine for me. i get notifications as soon as i get an email sent.
When I leave my house and I try to use data, the phone shows as still being connected to my WiFi and therefore no data will work. So I have to manually turn wifi off.
->have you tried using the newer version of stock, it has wifi fixes, ive had this issue one time, but not again.
Multitasking? Yea right. At first I was puzzled as to why after switching back to an app it would restart. Was the phone running out of RAM? Doesn't it have 1GB? Turns out it's a software thing. Again, multitasking was an issue solved in 2007.
-> never had any multitasking problem but people complain about it a lot.

on the other side....hehe

Multitasking is the only system/device problem that everyone has. I have zero wifi issues and zero push issues. Not everyone got stuck with a buggy One X. Just sayin.
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Rooting of S8+: Protects or Exposes your phone to new security risk?

I do a lot of important things on my phone, so the protection is number the #1 thing for me.
All my previous 5 - 6 android smartphones were rooted by me.
The main reason for rooting was to improve security and confidence in the phone - good firewall, de -bloating, control of privilegies.
But now with S8+ I am having second thought about if rooting really protects vs exposes.
1) Lots of original protection features will be gone after rooting, like DM-verity
2) Automated system updates and therefore related security patches will be gone too. I am not a big fan of regular manual downloads and updates. So my once rooted system will become dated soon.
3) Fingerprint or iris readers be one more vulnerable to errors and manipulations
Am I taking it right?
Do a good firewall and control of priviligies outweigth the new risks that rooting could bring to S8+?
Thanks for you thoughts

Apparently now if you have a rooted S8, Netflix won't work anymore

aulamens said:
I do a lot of important things on my phone, so the protection is number the #1 thing for me.
All my previous 5 - 6 android smartphones were rooted by me.
The main reason for rooting was to improve security and confidence in the phone - good firewall, de -bloating, control of privilegies.
But now with S8+ I am having second thought about if rooting really protects vs exposes.
1) Lots of original protection features will be gone after rooting, like DM-verity
2) Automated system updates and therefore related security patches will be gone too. I am not a big fan of regular manual downloads and updates. So my once rooted system will become dated soon.
3) Fingerprint or iris readers be one more vulnerable to errors and manipulations
Am I taking it right?
Do a good firewall and control of priviligies outweigth the new risks that rooting could bring to S8+?
Thanks for you thoughts
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You will get custom roms brother once you rooted , better than stock roms.

Thanks guys. Netflix is not a concern. But custom ROMs Iam not sure. Are they better protected than stock ROM? At least stock ROM is patched very often as new vulnerabilities are revealed. Not sure custom ROM are updated that quick. Plus automated updates without tye hassle of downloading flashing reinstalling is a big deal.
I would assume stock rom would stay most updated at least. Do stock ROMs offer the convenience of automated updates? ... and the speed and frequency of patches or fixes?

Ofcourse not rooted is more secure, it is silly to even discuss this. Rooting is the SINGLE most dangerous thing you can do. You allow 3rd party apps to modify your system. Yes, there is some sort of SuperUser app which asks for your permission, but it is still less secure than unrooted ROM. And as far as stock vs custom ROMs are concerned, would you trust more a group of enthisiasts that "modify" ROMS without proper knowlegde of inner workings or a company that does this for a living???
We all love CUSTOM ROMS, but in my experience on 5-6 (different) devices none of these are as stable as stock ROM, they cas say whatever they want, it is bull*. Stock is stock. Custom ROMs are used because we get new functionality, customizations, freedoom, maybe sometimes speed. But NEVER stability, I have flashed hundreds of ROMs since days of Desire HD through Note 2 and Nexus tablets, no custom ROM was ever as stable as stock. Period.

Personally i think it's hogwash to even think that rooting will expose you to security risks. I believe that's what most handphone manufacturers wants you to believe.
Just like an other tech you use, you make sure you do not install dubious apps. Rooting, like having admin rights on a PC, comes with certain risks and responsibilities.
Just imagine Microshaft or crapple telling you how to use their OS and how,if you have admin rights, will void your warranty or expose you to security risks, how you should use their bloatware apps or take their advice just because they know best?
Samdung doesn't like people tinkering with their stuff, especially when it outshines or is inherently superior to theirs. Their whole argument about rooting is just their way of scaring you to use their sorry of an excuse bloatware, building castles in the air and making sure you use their phones the"right" way.

Thank you Dalanik,
Then stock it is. I would still miss a good firewall or whole phone backup.
I felt quite secure when I saw new apps not being able to connect before I explicitly whitelist them in firewall.
But if it comes with a greater extent and complexity of exposure then I gave up

Thank you Frostmore,
It is not just about admin rights responsibility.
I saw people reporting fingerreader failures, knox being disabled etc. You lose some features which are designed to protect. There is no admin everyday routine that would compensate for that loss.

I would say if you don't overstand the workings of your device, you will not truly know..
Meanwhile from my experience from carriers, Samsung devices (good example: at&t note 4) is taking the enterprise route, more security for business purposes.
Non root I'd personally say from an amateur (myself) viewpoint (if you don't have the necessary knowledge to do it yourself). If someone wants to get you, they most likely will..
Another example is the location, there's multiple ways some of these apps get your location, clicking it off just seems like a "hide from user" option.
Good question though, don't see too many inquiries!

I m hesitant to root this phone. It will be the only non-rooted android I've owned. I am a developer with some embedded experience but I have become much more security conscious.
I so wish Sammy/Sprint would follow the Google Pixel model. The Pixel came out of the book without one iota of crap-a-ware. So refreshing to NOT be treated like a "mark" at a carnival.
The idea that I am Sprint's customer yet they treat me as a resource to serve up to their sponsors, like broadcast TV.
I run much of my business from this phone. I need VPN, TLS, SSL and all the security. I also develop for this device.
I may root in the future but I am going to stay clear of the bloody cutting edge for the moment. I appreciate you guys on the front line. Been there and done that...
Sent from my Pixel C using XDA-Developers Legacy app

Thanks SpringerRider, I like your idea of postponed rooting. I think Samsung with its pushy policies is becoming more and more hostile and arrogant to their own customers over time.
They degrade the support of their devices at akcelerated speed these days. For instance My 4-year old Samsung Smart TV lost 70% of its original functionality in the last year, because Samsung gradually stripped it from SmartHub via weekly updates. They don't want to support the TV even 4 years later after it was first introduced to the market. I guess the same philosophy would be applied on us, S8+ owners much sooner than we would have expected. I guess in 2-3 years we would on our own. Plus I bet Samsung would start overloading our phones with resource hungry bloatware via updates pushing us to buy newer models.
That would be the right time to root the phone and to cut the ties to Samsung.
So I totally get your idea and I thing it makes a good sense.