it seems like Europeans are in for the hit?!
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/8131533-apple-wants-to-ban-every-galaxy-and-tablet-
They mad because they can't compete
Don't stress. Apple A$$holes are up to no good again with photoshopping
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2384...accurate_evidence_in_samsung_patent_case.html
no stress. even if they manage to recall all galaxy, im too far away from europe
apple forgot who is making the chipsets for them!! (samsung)
retards
They're just killing themselves in the process idiots -.-
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I really think that Apple is slowly digging its own grave, cant wait for Android to destroy Apple and its pathetic fanboys, give it anotheer 6months to 1 yr and I am 100% sure Android sales will kill it, cant wait.
If you want the definition of a desperate last ditched attack before going down, I suppose this is it.
lol apple.
Hunteres said:
apple forgot who is making the chipsets for them!! (samsung)
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Not anymore, TSMC is making them now. And I'm pretty sure the chip production is backed up with solid contracts to that's a completely different matter all together.
screw apple! the more they do this, The more people will hate them.
Let them dig their own grave.
what don't kill us make we more strong!
Blimey you think with all the money apple have they would have employed a decent photoshoper, bit like saying yer judge it was a 6ft fat guy in a raindeer suit, when really it was a short guy in a penguin costume.
Here are Apple's objectives
1) Eliminate competition:
The rapid growth, adoption and maturing of android means apple will be in trouble down the line in one or two years.most people will be running android phones and this will trends to drag customers from their base.Their very existence under treat and they've spotted it from afar. 200%,300%+ have been experienced by leading android oems(samsung, htc), so they have to be eliminated.
NOTE: apple is NOT interested in royalties because they will loss if androids invade the world.
2) Income:
Apple don't produce phones.They make money by selling phones, accessories and services. An iphone cost $178 to make, and sells for about $500. They make secondary incomes from customers through itunes, appstore, expensive phones, expensive accessories, within the apple ecosystem (no itunes purchased mp3 will work on other player, third parties accessories donot tend to be compatible, iphones won't bluetooth with other phones, so your wife needs another iphone or ipad for things to work etc, so if you invest slot into this ecosystem, you get stock and tend not to leave because your devices are not compatible with the outside world).Their income is at risk if the rapid growth of android persist for another year or two.
3) Iphone 5 introduction :
When you go to phone stores these days, SG2 is presented as the best phone.Only staff who own a iphone will try to sell you a iphone.
Given the SG2 is definitely superior to the iphone 4, Apple would like injunctions baring sales so that there will be no competition in the market when the iphone 5 is released this october. Anyone going into a phone shop will be presented with the iphone 5 as the baddest phone because all Samsung phones/HTC phones will be banned from import.This will thus enable them to sell millions upon release, setting new sales record.The risk of having two giant smartphones in the market is to high, if comparism websitesand the public in general find the iphone 5 to be inferior to the SG2.
In essence, apple is trying to clear the field and create some monopoly, get customers locked into their ecosystem.
Imagine how much they make on the sales of each iphone, plus the fact that all you buy from apple only works with apple.These customers will therefore be forced to later buy iphone 6 or an ipad because they are locked in the apple ecosystem.
4) Nokia is doing down definitely.They still have about two years before their market share is lame.
Hp just announced its quiting the tablet, laptop business.There are millions of customers flooting the air, who have to migrate to a different platform. If apple can block the competition in this important phase, then it doesn't matter how much they pay in damages for what ever reason. Their $76 billion dollar cash will double.Everyone will then have an iphone an it will be near IMPOSSIBLE to penetrate the market. That's what microsoft did.Now, create your OS and see if you'll pick 1% of the market. Nearly the whole world computers have windows (which is a cool OS by the way).
Apple calls that business and marketing. i understand the business world is rough, when it comes to competition. I donot agree with their bullying tactics.its the same walmart, asda, tasco all do.its ruthless.
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I prefer samsung than iphone
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But now HTC is suing apple and wants to ban iPod, iPad and Mac products in the US.
http://beep.tv2.dk/entry.php/id-407686.html (danish)
I love HTC!!
If Apple continue their stupidity they will end up suing dictionary editors and publisher because their books contain the word Apple.
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I've seen IOS 5 beta.it's still IOS4, but with extra features that have been copied from android.I understand the more reasons why apple wants android dead.Given that 2 things make up a phone,
1) hardware
2) software.
iOS5 is basically the same old OS but with copied extras, so, what's actually left to see, is what the iphone 5 will offer on the hardware front.With the aggressive design of the SG2 and the violent reaction of apple,I suspect the iphone 5 will have less to offer.Chinese companies producing the iphone 5 casing show that it is the same as the iphone 4, with the screen size increased to 4 inch, from 3.5.the screen is now from edge to edge.If that's the case, then apple really should worry and that's one of the reasons for seeking injunctions barring superior hardware.
It's shameful how they worked out those photos presented in court.I'm sure it was deliberate.apple has professionals in photoshop and the modifications go beyond exacting the phone sizes to look similar.look at the black colour tones, black background.A lot of colour blending has been used to maximize the visual impact of similarity.they switched off the back and menu lights.They used SG2 app drawer instead of it's home screen.SG2 does not default to the drawer.The phones CANNOT be forced into a mode to reflect similarity.Also, black on the SG2 is pure black, but on the iphone 4, it's washed. The iphone 4 had a logo on the back.SG2 has samsung.It's crazy how fast apple will cheat to achieve it's objectives.
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It may just be that I'm seeing heavy adverts due to the close release of the Iphone 5, I just recently subscribed to two diff Magazines an nearly all of them had an Iphone 4 Ad somewhere in the Magazine and as the backcover. -_-
haghdk said:
But now HTC is suing apple and wants to ban iPod, iPad and Mac products in the US.
http://beep.tv2.dk/entry.php/id-407686.html (danish)
I love HTC!!
If Apple continue their stupidity they will end up suing dictionary editors and publisher because their books contain the word Apple.
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GO HTC! we all support you
Android FTW!
haghdk said:
But now HTC is suing apple and wants to ban iPod, iPad and Mac products in the US.
http://beep.tv2.dk/entry.php/id-407686.html (danish)
I love HTC!!
If Apple continue their stupidity they will end up suing dictionary editors and publisher because their books contain the word Apple.
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It doesn't matter how many lawsuits are existing.it matters who wins first.If apple forces them out of the market first, iphone stands out as the best phone for the next one to two years.By then, even if HTC wins, most people will have a iphone and HTC sales will be so poor it can hardly make a dent.Think of how long nokia was king for.Everyone wanted a nokia phone.Samsung and the like had less than 2% of market share.
The ONLY way out is, if Apple refuses to license their IP(intellectual property) in the event they win, samsung should not license their IP too. This will force apple to stop all world shipments until they design phones without some 3G and other such mobile patents Samsung holds.
Now imagine a phone without vital phone hardware functionality.This will have a greater damage on apple than any software or hardware design patents they claim had been infringed.in essence, it will shut down apple.No suit at present has the potential to shut down android.The main battle now is for market share sure to the expediting vacuum with nokia going down, hp quitting etc.
In the tech industry, most companies have always sought for royalties on infringing patents, but I tell you, apple is NOT interested in that.They are ready to shut down Samsung or anyone.It serves them better to make the money alone, without the headache of competition, than receiving royalties from competitors.
That's why the ONLY option is for Samsung or anyone to be drastic and shut them down when their opportunity shows up, even if it's in 2 years.The whole ecosystem will come tumbling.apple will offer ridiculous amounts of money in excess of $1 billion, just to stay in business.yet, Samsung will have not to agree this temporal joy, so they can in tend shut down apple until they make phones without phone hardwares necessary for a phone to work, because Samsung has some of those patents
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It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
*NOTICE* These are my personal opinion. If you like the iPhone or Apple for that matter, then more power to you. Apple makes good products, expensive as they are. Flaming is not necessary.
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"All Things D is reporting that the two patents in question are 5,946,647 and 6,343,263, the former of which is said to be "fundamental to Android."
Any ideas?
orkillakilla said:
but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it
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Isn't the Xoom some half-finished product, both software and hardware-wise?
Other than that, I fully agree with your post - Apple is afraid. Very afraid. They're not the only ones though, Microsoft is as well. That's why they're both resorting to patent litigation. While at the same time Apple is totally copying Android's notification dropdown. Hypocrisy at it's best.
The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.
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The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.
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Yes, we're talking out of fear, it's totally not about calling companies out on their crap. Sure. LOL
Totally agree bother! Didn't Microsoft get in trouble for forcing there software into pcs? Someone got paid off for win this last one with HTC. I think its totally against our rights to hold back technology for the gain of one. Plus the iphone is old school. Its time to move on to better pastures Mr jobs! Remember how technology was for apple before the iphone came out or the ipod? Apple sucked the big one! I think there running scared cause android is its competition! to bad,we the people have a right to choose!
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orkillakilla said:
It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
*NOTICE* These are my personal opinion. If you like the iPhone or Apple for that matter, then more power to you. Apple makes good products, expensive as they are. Flaming is not necessary.
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hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now
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hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now
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Hmm... another pointless post. Lost count on the number now...
If you don't want to add to the discussion, or don't like the fact that there are many of these threads, simply don't read it.
Has far as the Xoom goes, I've only read good things about it, and that it's at least on the same level as the iPad. I haven't played around on one though, so I can't say for sure.
It seems Microsoft and Apple, being the "old dogs" in the computer/tech/smartphone world, have their tails between their legs, acting like a chihuahua showing it's teeth at a pit bull...
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something about dogs
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I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.
Tone_ said:
I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
I have read some about the Oracle case, but I haven't really read all about it yet. I'll definitely give that a look.
Also, I would like to thank you for making a productive post that isn't negative, and that actually adds to this discussion.
Well it's not really a surprise here. Every software dev does this kind of thing. They ask patents on certain elements that they know would slow down or make another product less appealing.
Otherwise spending thousands of dollars on patents would be kinda pointless.
And like MS did and does it sues those that so called took there patent without asking or paying. I don't see anything new here. Sure it's again the big companies Apple vs Android but heck those are the 2 biggest players for home usage.
The point of all these lawsuits is:
Try and get money from competition even banning devices
Showcase all features you have but others can't get
Advertise
And for the other company sympathy. Besides ads even if they are bad are always good for sales
And a good lawyer stretches it till it either expires or till they invent something better.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought S3 recently and Apple has been found infringing on S3 patents. This stupid game works both ways. So there may not be a one-way settlement, but instead a cross-licensing deal.
@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
Also, it begins, the backlash because of this software patent stupidity: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/15/app-developers-withdraw-us-patents <- It's app developers for now, but I'm really, really waiting for the day when hardware makers simply pull out of the US market. Let the US companies sue each other into oblivion, while the saner parts of the world flourish in actually moving things forward.
orkillakilla said:
As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought out the rest of S3 and apple infringed them so who knows, would most likely be other Android manufactures that cop it..
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/7/4/apple-found-guilty-s3-patent-infringement/
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@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
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They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.
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They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.
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That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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True but I would say wanting rather than getting at the time they were expensive, still are in comparison. All Android sales are not sales lost to Apple as I alluded to earlier.
Apple are probably more bothered about all the taglines the iworshipers love to hear that they can no longer use..
Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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Jmatch said:
Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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I remember going to the Apple store when the iPhone came out to try it. I couldn't type with my sausage thumbs. So I was banned to sliders and flippers until the newer 4.3 Android phones. And now Apple winning against HTC... WTF. Go to hell Apple. I'd rather reactivate my VX8300 than buy a iTurd.
I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.
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I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.
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Yes, Apple opened the doors to the modern smartphone, but if it wasn't them, someone else would have.
As for Apple as a company, the ONLY thing they did right was the iPhone/pod/pad. Their computers were crappy as hell (WERE). They have done better with computers recently, though not for the price in my opinion. I don't necessarily hate apple, I just think most if their products are way too expensive for my taste (mainly their computers).
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http://pocketnow.com/android/apple-seeks-preliminary-injunction-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus
seriously ? word completion
wtf
really... this apple way really offending me.... why they did not realize good and cheap products instead of sueing everybody they think are market better ranked???
who will they suite now? the nature cause of electron speed in battery charge???
apple wake up!
Word Completion, seriously Apple? They've had that in Windows Mobile since at least 2000 (possibly earlier on Windows CE) and it really wasn't much different from what Apple has on the iPhone today.
More ridiculousness from camp crApple!
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Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.
I Am Marino said:
Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.
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The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.
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The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
Once somebody invents something, nobody else better even try to make a competing product. Apple will not rest until they are a complete monopoly. There were touch screen phones with Windows Mobile, Palm, etc years before the iPhone. I had no problem with the iPhone in 2007, it had quite a different UI from previous touch screen phones. Android also had a UI quite different from the iPhone when it came out. It had widgets, a notification bar, etc. I'm sure iOS inspired some of Android's UI but thats like saying Yahoo inspired Google.
Its a wonder Google was even allowed to start as a company since there were search engines established years before Google like Yahoo, AltaVista, etc. Its too bad one of them didn't copyright the search button, they could have sued Google out of existence in the late 90s.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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Says it all
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple...exus?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
It's time for Google to step in and put a stop to this bull****. The first patent in question is the same one that was upheld against HTC in a move that shocked the tech community at large, essentially giving Apple the rights to the hyperlink --something invented over 20 years ago by numerous companies that aren't Apple.
The other three are just as laughable, or would be if not for the fact that Apple was allowed to secure the patents at all. Every single one of them has existed as prior art long before Apple became relevant, yet a patent was granted each and every time. This is the core of the problem. You can't blame Apple for trying, it's cheaper to litigate away your competition than it is to out-innovate them. And make no mistake -- that's exactly what's going on here. Apple wants Android to go away, and a look at any chart that shows market share will tell you why. It's a ****ty way to get ahead, but it's too easy not to try. It's going to take a tech giant to change the way this all works, and we know nobody can count on Apple or Microsoft to do it, because this is their system, created the way they like it, and making them rich. If Apple is afraid to go after Google, Google needs to go after Apple instead of sitting on their laurels waiting to ride in and save the day at the last minute.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.
Britney Spears sold a ton of albums. Does that make her the best musical artist
The features of Ios 5 have been present in other mobile platforms for over a year. Dual core was available long before the 4s. Voice commands have Been around in android since gingerbread
It's simple, apple sells, no doubting that, they just do not innovate. They have not innovated since the first iPhone, **** they do not even offer 4g or 1gb of ram on any of their cell phones
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forget i even said it.
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iPhones outsell others in certain situations because they are sold refurbished and cheap due to upgrades held within 2-year contracts. For instance, I bought an HTC Aria with AT&T almost 2 years ago. April 4th I qualify for a FREE upgrade to an iPhone 4.
Not everyone purchases their phones full-price and unlocked.
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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Are you sure you don't work for apple as you never address specific issues and only ever criticise with generalisations?
First go look at the motorola patents and you'll see they hold many patents that you cannot have a modern smartphone without using including having a hidden antenna for example. Which, contrary to your claim google would not sue apple over, google authorised motorola to use in a us court case against apple.
As for defending their ip well many of the things they patent and litigate over were stolen. Oh and if you want to talk rip offs look into lg claiming iphone ripped off prada.
Now your "facts" are shown incorrect perhaps you'll start using real facts?
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.
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I hate to say this as its agreeing with you but your right. Most phones do have two year contracts.
However I think your incorrect on subsidies as if I recall correctly iphones are not subsidised.
Iphones sell well due to simplicity, good marketing, fashion and because once you own an apple product your locked into its eco system.
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.
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If course iphone sold more. More iphones are made than any one specific android equivalent. If you were to judge based on operating system not models you will find android out numbers ios.
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
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Ok and if you actually bought Android apps then you're locked into Google's ecosystem. The only difference is Android apps are in typically of much lesser quality than iOS(the UI is particularly hideous IMO). I'd rather be locked into Apple's ecosystem with a better selection of quality,malware-free apps so you should really come up with a better argument for your nephew.
Well, sadly, in another thread regarding the shipment delays I made the poor mistake of defending Apple and claiming the shipments being held by the ITC was likely a routine screening and not being held up because of Apple.
Turns out, I was wrong. Apple has filed a formal grievance with the US ITC today saying that HTC hasn't actually resolved the software issues and should meet as an emergency and re-enact the ban blocking imports of HTC phones.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10560
This is just more over-aggressive bull**** lawsuits for no reason. HTC is in no position to even directly compete against Apple in the market, and ultimately is doing some of the most unique software and hardware design in the industry.
At what point does this whole mobile lawsuit nonsense come to a boiling point?
Also, as a point of full disclosure, and because I don't really want to ***** about Apple being the worst company on earth, I do own use and love my iPad, Macbook Air, and iMac. I do own an iPhone 4S but as of recently it sits off in a drawer while I use my HOX.
This thread was not started with the intention of people piling in to say how Apple is terrible, or builds ****ty products, but rather have a conversation about the challenges of the mobile industry moving forward. As each company tries to innovate and release compelling products the likelihood of overlapping features and functionality is inevitable. How does the industry encourage innovate without trampling intellectual property rights? (or in other words, **** Software Patents)
Apple is just pissed the one x is better than the iPhone
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This is so ridiculous...
What gets me is how many of these patent disputes are actually FRAND (fair use) issues.
I'm waiting for some judge to put down his iPhone and see things clearly. Patent law is out of control and companies are only using it to maintain a monopoly or remain profitable to their stockholders when their product is actually no longer inovative and has lost market share (see also TiVo)
Apple sees a threat in Android a threat that will screw the company I hate apple but now its the devil to me .
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But this is bs! Why would they do that, apple needs competition, its basic business 101. Does apple think since I can't get a htc one phone imma get me some ios?? Hell no and im sure like me, that's just gonna piss others off and make it a point NOT to buy any apple products.
Maybe a boycott of apple is in order.
Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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They should start focusing on a new iOS or putting something extraordinary in the iPhone 5 instead of law suites. Hop off android. Power users choose android and the rest use iOS their lawsuits won't convert anybody. They're always suing somebody haha. Samsung, HTC, might as well sue Google and the rest of the world.
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This has little to do with rightfully protecting intellectual property, and everything to do with patent trolling and using the law to attack competitors.
Android has gobbled up market share due to the fact that manufacturer are willing to give people variety and choices. Meanwhile, Apple is trying to lock everyone into one device form factor.
This also more represents Apple's failure to innovate, rather than the opposite. The iPhone has hardly changed its looks after 5 iterations. Aside from different backing material, it has looked almost exactly the same. And few internal hardware innovations as well. Aside from moving to a better screen, and a better camera, the hardware has only had incremental improvements (CPU and memory) over its entire lifespan.
The one form factor business model has benefited them in many ways, but we've come to a point where people now want bigger screens on their smartphones. Apple has simply run out of new ideas in the present form factor. Their biggest recent innovation. . . Siri (chuckle). They are stuck and they know it. If they move to a larger iPhone (and also a smaller iPad, or "iPad Mini" as its rumored) they begin to experience some of the OS fragmentation that they have criticized Android for so many times in the past.
I don't mean to complain about Apple so much, or sound like a hater. They make some nice devices, and have contributed some nice interface design to the smartphone world (earlier in the iPhones history). But its clear that they have stopped innovating. Instead of coming up with new ideas, they have chosen to use petty methods of attacking their competitors.
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Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
I really tend to agree. While no one can argue that iOS and the iPhone were amazing innovations, and helped spur the mobile industry as it stands now, iOS has really stagnated on innovate.
There haven't been amazing new features / innovations to the platform in awhile and it seems Apple cares more about others not doing what they have done in the past then focus on what they can do in the future.
I think everyday there are more examples of software design that should be open and licensed rather than closed IP. Things like "pull to refresh" and "pinch to zoom" are functionalities that exist in natural user interface and simple should be able to freely licensed to all software developers.
If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
I just feel like software patents are going to be increasingly difficult to develop and protect and that these major players in the market need to understand there will be functionality overlaps. As such I want to see this bull**** end and cross-licensing begin.
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If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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That is rational. Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP. They have so much cash that they don't know what to do with it and there is no sign of their revenue stream stopping any time soon, so they don't need the money. This is just a pissing match at this point. Apple's intention is total "Thermo-Nuclear-War" annihilation of Android. Things might start to get a bit different now that Steve Jobs is not around...but perhaps it is too soon. Not that I agree with Apple.
I just think patent reform is needed. Competition is good though. In some ways I think Apple has helped HTC. Now HTC has notoriety. Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband. This HTC One X is now notorious. So even though sales were stopped because of customs I think more people now know what HTC is and that it represents a credible threat to Apple. People will want what they are told that they can't have....human nature.
This is why i got away from apple products not going to support their lawsuits... im tired of hearing this stuff but of course its not going to stop...
Instead of innovating they use wide spread patents to squash competition.
It's not just a problem in the phone industry, patents are way too wide sweeping, long lasting, and powerful these days. Try and remember patent law was created to promote innovation not crush it.
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Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband.
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I have experienced this too and with my old Samsung Captivate as well. When people see an Android phone they are wowed by it and by the ability to make it what YOU want. When they see an iPhone, it's just another iPhone, there's nothing special anymore, nothing "magical." I used to get excited over iPhone announcements back in the days where I was a poor high school student yearning to have a smartphone. Now, howveer, I find the annoucements boring because really, there's nothing to be excited about anymore.
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If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP.
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Well, it looks like that's exactly what happened, and HTC refused to license.
"Apple reportedly asked for $5 - $15 per device to settle Android patent dispute" (I'm not 'allowed' to post my source link, but if you google that headline, you should find it on the Dow Jones website. Article is dated May 5th, 2012.)
So HTC just went on their merry way and knowingly infringed on the patent. If they didn't see this coming, then they're idiots.
That said, I LOVE this damn phone! I see why Apple might have a little envy smeared on their faces!
Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
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Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
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Money plain and simple friggin monopoly
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It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
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Thanks for clearing up my ignorance, that's totally what I meant to say, (reference to the book by G.O.), and the point I was trying to make, lol.
I don't totally hate on apple my MacBook pro still best computer I have, and its almost 4yo, and still kicks ass media wise. But this lawsuit thing is just out of control.
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The article is very helpful with all the details in a timeline format.
"The patent litigations we see today in tech industry are classic examples of corporate greed that takes away customer choice and welfare."
Definitely true when courts start banning the sales of devices instead of just ordering the company to pay for it.
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What do you guys think?
I think Apple has pushed this so far that even those who love the Apple ecosystem have gotten tired of it. They are signing their own death warrant by both alienating even their staunch supporters and by stifling the very innovation that has become the hallmark of the mobile tech industry. iOS 5 and 6 literally owe almost every added feature to Android and to a lesser extent WP and R.I.M. It is the excitement of something new that put Apple on top but it is clear that without Jobs at the helm the company has become stagnant and seeks to bleed other companies dry rather than remaining a viable prospect in the marketplace. Tim Cook is clearly not competent for his leadership role if he thinks litigation is a viable long-term solution.
Apple will die soon enough, without Steve they're nothing
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I haven't seen any evidence that most apple users are really bothered by apples anti android tactics. There are still millions longing for the next iphone and saying that apple are great.
Apple won't die off, they still sell incredibly well and have done for the past five years. They are succeeding in most court cases and the only people really bothered are us android users, not people whose views cook and co are bothered about.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've seen people do the same but they all own android devices too, with apples new patents on everything from touch screens to displaying data on a screen I just can't see them going anywhere but up unfortunately.
They own patents that literally every mobile device can be seen as infringing so they have unlimited court case ammunition if their sales do drop and they need to make more money, they have judges in germany and usa imposing bans on rivals to limit competition and they have enough die hard fans to keep their business doing well even if the rest of the world did stop using their products.
I would love to see apple taught a lesson but the nearest anyone came was a uk judge telling them to apologise to samsung. What happened? Days later apple got an eu ban that overrides uk law.
They have unlimited resources and top lawyers, they also have patents on things every mobile device needs. They can't really lose.
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Well, Samsung just made their newest salvo so we'll see what comes of that. I really does appear that it's going to take a concerted effort from Sammny, Google, maybe a few others to fight this effectively. What amazes me is instances of Nokia and Microsoft supporting Apple in some of its previous complaints.
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/259842/apple_looked_to_sony_for_iphone_design_inspiration.html
One comment on the PC World article:
"By Gibson295
Wed Jul 25 14:33:21 PDT 2012
LAWL......
Trading my iPhone for a Galaxy nexus.
I won't lie, I'ma miss the battery life and the App store to a degree, A Bit (never rly used more then Netflix). But For Flash, and all the other goods, AND SHOWING APPLE HOW FLIPPEN DISPLEASED I AM WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.
Me doing the right thing.
I excited, ya baby."
Might not be a large percentage, but when loyal users move away there's also the influence they have on other buyers. Apple has built itself on perception and between the increased reporting of Jobs' tyrannical leadership and Apple's increasingly public patent mongering I can at least say this won't do anything to grow Apple's marketshare.
Apple will die gradually..so they are frustrated. Sony & Samsung will rule the world.
Who cares. Apply are dying... No one will even remember then in 5 years time.
Sadly, there are a lot of apple fan-boys who will buy their products for the sake of the brand. Sad but true. But at least this showed that other companies have at least a fighting chance legally with the absurd limitations apple tries to impose on them. When i hard brick my phone i'm gonna slap an iphone sticker on it and sell to those apple die-hards for $$$
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Odds are Apple won't die. Even IBM survived it's almost devised. That said, if they continue in the same way there relevance in the market is is in for a rather sizeable shift.
Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
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Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
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Lol....you mean Gandhi, dont you?
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all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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Apple are scared?
Apple are the ones who own the patents that are making their rivals lose in courts around the world, what are they scared of?
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all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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and they win this ridiculous case ........
this is getting boring apple just need to lay off they know there beaten-talk of sore losers.
damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.
I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.
I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?
Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
Just my two cents
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Interesting Patent...
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The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors
Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.
The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.
wjcarpenter said:
Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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rorytmeadows said:
I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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Sompom said:
What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.
I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.
A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".