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[Q] Difference between SHIP S-OFF and ENG S-OFF

I bought a used Inspire 4G , and I notice it states SHIP S-OFF, so I am wondering whats the difference between SHIP S-OFF and ENG S-OFF? Can I flash any Inspire 4G ROMs for SHIP S-OFF? ( I did flash Andriod Rev)

ronan_zj said:
I bought a used Inspire 4G , and I notice it states SHIP S-OFF, so I am wondering whats the difference between SHIP S-OFF and ENG S-OFF? Can I flash any Inspire 4G ROMs for SHIP S-OFF? ( I did flash Andriod Rev)
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You can flash ROMs with S-off like you have now if you're rooted. ENG off is for flashing a new radio. Before you even think about flashing a new radio, read everything possible on here about it. It can be very risky and leave you with a bricked Inspire. Be aware of that before you dive into that ball pit.

Specifically, SHIP=Shipping bootloader
ENG=Engineering bootloader. Use ENG at your own risk.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App

thanks mrro82

mrro82 said:
You can flash ROMs with S-off like you have now if you're rooted. ENG off is for flashing a new radio. Before you even think about flashing a new radio, read everything possible on here about it. It can be very risky and leave you with a bricked Inspire. Be aware of that before you dive into that ball pit.
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You do not need eng s-off to flash radio firmware updates. Use the method in the hack kit as an example of how to do it with only radio s-off and a shipping hboot. It's easy, safer and more reliable than fastboot flashing.
The main advantage to eng hboot is for developers testing kernels. You can safely fastboot boot images. The average user has no good reason to be fooling with fastboot flash.

ronan_zj said:
I bought a used Inspire 4G , and I notice it states SHIP S-OFF, so I am wondering whats the difference between SHIP S-OFF and ENG S-OFF? Can I flash any Inspire 4G ROMs for SHIP S-OFF? ( I did flash Andriod Rev)
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Ok - this is a great post because I need to return my Inspire to stock. When I go to bootloader I have:
ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF
I'm still rooted because I want to use my Inspire for another couple of weeks before returning. I also have gotten rid of Radio S-Off because I'm not gonna flash any radio's from the stock one that I'm using now.
Is the above bootloader what the stock bootloader came with ?? In other words , if I flash over a stock RUU will I be ready for return ? I just can't remember what my bootloader said when I bought it (I would assume it was "S-On")

jcrompton said:
Ok - this is a great post because I need to return my Inspire to stock. When I go to bootloader I have:
ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF
I'm still rooted because I want to use my Inspire for another couple of weeks before returning. I also have gotten rid of Radio S-Off because I'm not gonna flash any radio's from the stock one that I'm using now.
Is the above bootloader what the stock bootloader came with ?? In other words , if I flash over a stock RUU will I be ready for return ? I just can't remember what my bootloader said when I bought it (I would assume it was "S-On")
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I doubt that most reps would check if your phone had S-off in the boot loader. As long as you have the stock rom on the phone when you return it in case they look at the functionality I pretty sure you are ok anyway.
Why bring it back though? What are you picking up instead?

Can someone post a tutorial on how to get radio s-off? Do you need to go back to complete stock?
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

anaphora68 said:
Can someone post a tutorial on how to get radio s-off? Do you need to go back to complete stock?
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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s-off, or s-on? To get s-off, just follow the hack kit instructions.

I did follow the hack kit. What I'm trying to do is get radio s-off. What I'm asking is, should I follow the hack kit, and then restore the Desire HD stock ROM and run the Desire HD hacks for radio s-off?

so i have eng s-off and flashed a new radio, is there any danger of having eng s-off if it is not tinkered with?

Why do all of my questions go unanswered? Do i smell bad?

anaphora68 said:
I did follow the hack kit. What I'm trying to do is get radio s-off. What I'm asking is, should I follow the hack kit, and then restore the Desire HD stock ROM and run the Desire HD hacks for radio s-off?
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You've lost me. If you followed the hack kit, then you should have radio s-off already and have a rooted ROM with the ability to run most any "hack" you want.
If you've followed the hack kit and are rooted and now want to go back to stock with radio security back on, then that's something entirely different.

mj0528 said:
so i have eng s-off and flashed a new radio, is there any danger of having eng s-off if it is not tinkered with?
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There shouldn't be. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the danger is in what you can accidentally mess up through bootloader commands when you have eng s-off. Normal flashing of ROMs, ect. shouldn't pose any threat.
mj0528 said:
Why do all of my questions go unanswered? Do i smell bad?
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I don't know, and not from here.

IsraelR said:
There shouldn't be. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the danger is in what you can accidentally mess up through bootloader commands when you have eng s-off. Normal flashing of ROMs, ect. shouldn't pose any threat.
I don't know, and not from here.
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Thanks man!

Finally got it working. I re-ran the hack-kit.
Just flashed the newest test radio (running CM7 test 22) and I have to say, the speeds, up and down, are amazingly fast compared to the stock radio. I'll post more impressions later.
Also picked up a 1600MAH battery. So far, so good.

anaphora68 said:
Finally got it working. I re-ran the hack-kit.
Just flashed the newest test radio (running CM7 test 22) and I have to say, the speeds, up and down, are amazingly fast compared to the stock radio. I'll post more impressions later.
Also picked up a 1600MAH battery. So far, so good.
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Where did you get the battery?

Did a search on ebay. It's a 1600mah Desire HD battery replacement. So far, so good.

Hey fellas I want to try a different radio and this is where my search led me so can someone tell me where or how to get ENG-OFF on this device?Apparently S-OFF isn't enough to flash a new radio.I get the error FAILED...Any help would be awesome.Thanks!Oh yeah...Inspire 4G CM7 Nightly...

ryanoption said:
Hey fellas I want to try a different radio and this is where my search led me so can someone tell me where or how to get ENG-OFF on this device?Apparently S-OFF isn't enough to flash a new radio.I get the error FAILED...Any help would be awesome.Thanks!Oh yeah...Inspire 4G CM7 Nightly...
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You don't NEED ENG S-Off to flash a radio
See this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002226) thread
You can just use a PD98IMG.zip and flash through HBoot - much safer this way. If you really want, here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855403) is the one click ENG S-Off tool

[Revolutionary] S-OFF your Desire S - NEW TOOL !

I've just found out about this tool.
It supports HBOOT 0.98.0000 and 0.98.0002. (It seems that there are some problems with 1.47.xxx ROM and 0.98.0002 hboot. Follow this guide first and then return here )
It's built by AlphaRev and unrevoked.
Go check it out: http://revolutionary.io/

Yup... found out from me....because i couldn't make my DS S-OFF again and i went in alpharev chat room and ....just asked )

Its a nice tool, and works! Unrevoked and Alpharev.. interensting

HAHA! I was waiting for this and I just did the downgrade and everything yesterday.
Sigh, what a laugh.
Any advantage over the old S-OFF, is it a newer HBOOT?

Same hboot... just that you don't have *** Alpharevx ***
Now you have *** Revolutionary *** on top of the bootloader screen

Well that's good I guess. I hate having out of date software

Work for me 0.98.0002
Thanks for great team

So is it worth flashing on top of alpharev
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App

I don't think you can just "flash it" because it will probably say you are already s-off.
If you are s-off then there is no need to do anything... only if you get back s-on and want to get s-off.

.sh4d0w. said:
I don't think you can just "flash it" because it will probably say you are already s-off.
If you are s-off then there is no need to do anything... only if you get back s-on and want to get s-off.
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Your right I just tried lol it comes up you are already s-off what the hell do you think you are doing
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App

mine says, failed to get root

Same here.

Sorry I cannot offer support for this tool. Maybe you can try contacting them on irc.
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=revolutionary

If it says failed to root use this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1190992 to downgrade to rom with 98.0000 hboot and then use Revolutionary... Some ppl did this today here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1185919&page=3 pages 3,4,5

But this tool should work with hboot 0.98.0002 too.

Yea it should , but as we can see, it wont work properly on 0002 . Maybe it wont work only on some new roms

badeaioan said:
But this tool should work with hboot 0.98.0002 too.
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It looks like it can't temp root any 1.47.x.x ROM.
Not yet, at least.
Without root access, it can't flash the hacked hboot.

Could you report this on their irc ? They don't know probably, so this way they can improve it's functionality.

badeaioan said:
Could you report this on their irc ? They don't know probably, so this way they can improve it's functionality.
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I did! The bot just replied:
Not supported <end>
Still I believe it won't take long before we see the light...

I did the update few days ago, and I tried this tool with no luck :/

[Q] can someone help me?

i just bought a sensation, and now i'm a previous HD2 owner. so i'm not a noob, i hope.
so...unlocking bootloader and rooting and s-Off...which one to follow? the official on hTCDev website or the revolutionary way?! any difference between those?
please someone clarify some things, as i just became a sensation user, i have no idea about anything of these since HD2 is way different as i noticed and since there are a lot of info on the net, i don't wanna get into things i shouldn't.
i got a second hand sensation but it's still on factory default with android 2.3.4 and sense 3.0
really any help is greatly appreciated

If your HBOOT is supported by Revolutionary ALWAYS use that one...
I dont like HTCdev - It should only be used if your HBOOT is unsupported
Just have a good read through all the noob guides. Be sure of what you're doing before attempting anything...
I cant stress how important it is to follow the guides 100%

azzledazzle said:
If your HBOOT is supported by Revolutionary ALWAYS use that one...
I dont like HTCdev - It should only be used if your HBOOT is unsupported
Just have a good read through all the noob guides. Be sure of what you're doing before attempting anything...
I cant stress how important it is to follow the guides 100%
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okay great, that was so helpful! you're really a good Q&A contributor, i don't know were i would have learned that anywhere else!
i'm off to check if my Hboot is supported.
thanks button clicked, cheers!

cant help but detect some sarcasm there

azzledazzle said:
cant help but detect some sarcasm there
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eh? why would you say that?!

Maybe i misinterpreted it !
who knows ?

azzledazzle said:
cant help but detect some sarcasm there
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no really i searched like two hours and on youtube but i couldn't know what's the difference between the official tool and the one called revolutionary...why you felt sarcasm in my words is beyond me...sorry anyway...

haha maybe its just me..
Anyway, Revolutionary IS THEE best tool for S-OFF... providing your HBOOT is supported of course. Did you check to see if its supported ?

if you got hboot 1.18.0000 please use revolutionary method to unlock your boot loader. If you unlock your bootloader with htcdev method you will unlock somd parts of the hboot. not every thing. then you cant flash a custom kernel because it already locked boot.img and cant write a new file over it. thne you will get wifi,bluetooth problems. so unlock your bootloader with revolutionary.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

azzledazzle said:
haha maybe its just me..
Anyway, Revolutionary IS THEE best tool for S-OFF... providing your HBOOT is supported of course. Did you check to see if its supported ?
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yep, it's supported i will do it tonight before bed and sleep at ease having it unlocked ^.^

namila007 said:
if you got hboot 1.18.0000 please use revolutionary method to unlock your boot loader. If you unlock your bootloader with htcdev method you will unlock somd parts of the hboot. not every thing. then you cant flash a custom kernel because it already locked boot.img and cant write a new file over it. thne you will get wifi,bluetooth problems. so unlock your bootloader with revolutionary.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA
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i appreciate your concern i'll certainly use revolutionary.

arabology said:
i appreciate your concern i'll certainly use revolutionary.
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great
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

arabology said:
yep, it's supported i will do it tonight before bed and sleep at ease having it unlocked ^.^
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Happing rooting...
Just curious, how will rooting (& thereby voiding the warranty) bring you some peace... For most people, it would bring anxiety (& bad dreams)...
Wait a minute, you said unlocking, i hope you didn't mean sim-unlock instead of rooting?
Cheers, Jp

japinder said:
Happing rooting...
Just curious, how will rooting (& thereby voiding the warranty) bring you some peace... For most people, it would bring anxiety (& bad dreams)...
Wait a minute, you said unlocking, i hope you didn't mean sim-unlock instead of rooting?
Cheers, Jp
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hehe yeah. no my phone is not sim locked

it didn't work!!
i tried it and my HBOOT is 1.18.0000 revolutionary supports it! i filled up everything correctly on the site and got a beta key. on revolutionary.exe, it ditects my phone just fine, after that i copy/paste the beta key. it starts but after a minute is gives "failed to get root "
help?

Did you get S-OFF via revolutionary ??
what does your HBOOT say now ??

azzledazzle said:
Did you get S-OFF via revolutionary ??
what does your HBOOT say now ??
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thanks for your reply. nothing changed in my after i tried revolutionary. HBOOT is still 1.18.0000

and it still says S-ON ??
If so try it again Copy the beta key into notepad and enter it into revolutionary manually.
then tell me what happens, also, link me to the guide you are / was following, and what step you got to before this problem occurred

azzledazzle said:
and it still says S-ON ??
If so try it again Copy the beta key into notepad and enter it into revolutionary manually.
then tell me what happens, also, link me to the guide you are / was following, and what step you got to before this problem occurred
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yeah it still rights LOCKED up with pinkish red highlight and under it S-ON RL
i already tried like 5-6 times...nothing worked...i installed drivers, unticked fast boot on phone, and ticks usb debugging...
i followed this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300

oh i got the error on step 1 in revolutionary...

[Q] Trying to S-OFF with Locked Sensation XE HBOOT-1.29.0000

Hey All...
last week was my sensation xe broken, I've brought it to support to demand warranty. Today I get a new one back, I wanted to have s-off and permanent root again. I'm so used to custom firmware.
Well I found out that my new lovely phone has a HBOOT version wich i can't find @google and the bootloader is locked. I tryed to S-OFF with revelutionary, but i didn't find the correct HBOOT version at "revolutionary.io"
Mybe anyone of you should help?
The Datas are:
HTC Sensation XE
Android-Version: 4.0.3
Software-Number: 3.32.401.105
Kernel-Version: 3.0.16-gda3fdfc, [email protected]#1, SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 17 19:24:03 CST 2012
Baseband-Version: 11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M
Build.Number 3.32.401.105 CL309896 release-Keys
Bootloader:
***LOCKED***
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.29.0000
eMMC-boot
CID: HTC_102
Does anyone of you know how to S-OFF and permanent Root this kind of HBOOT?

Same here
I have a similar situation with my "normal" sensation, having HBOOT version 1.27.0000. Any help in this area would be very much appreciated!

try juopunutbear SOFF...
original thread here
JB SOFF
noob proof guide here
JB SOFF GUIDE
also for 1.29 HBOOT...just confirmed with the JB devs ....through IRC

Wow. I've never heard of it either. Lesson learnt: Don't send your device to HTC Repair

Thanks for the adwise i gonna try this later... i'll post the results, then...
But, i'am skeptikal about to unlock the Device at HTCdev... is there any other method?
:banghead:
Yes... Of course.... But I had no other choice. It was a hardwere defect. I tried a lot to reanimate the device and then i choose that way else to throw my absolutely broken device in trash....
Thanks for the lesson
Is there anyone who tried succsesfully to S-OFF HBOOT-1.29.0000 on Sensation XE with junopunutbear?
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e using XDA

try junopunutbear soff
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA

me again...
so... iam on to s-off my sensation
but it didn't went well... iam trying to unlock my sensation XE z715e via htcdev
...i dont know what iam doing wrong...
When i flash the Unlock_token.bin i get the error massage:
"writing 'unlocktoken'... FAILED (remote: unlock token check failed)"
... yes usb-debugging is on, faststart is off and i copied the token a hundred times and it always prouced a new token...
Should this be a problem of htcdev or maybe its caused off the hboot version off my device?
any ideas?

Same problem,but im with hboot 1.27.

purebeatz said:
When i flash the Unlock_token.bin i get the error massage:
"writing 'unlocktoken'... FAILED (remote: unlock token check failed)"
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I'm getting the same. From what I've discovered it's either that this 1.29 HBOOT is so new that htcdev isn't updated to affect it, or that the sensation has changed internally and this new version is no longer supported (I got a new phone so could be the case, but my bet is the new HBOOT is too new).
I've just dropped a support request via htcdev, could be worth doing the same as anything that nudges them must help a bit: http://www.htcdev.com/contact

trstn said:
I'm getting the same. From what I've discovered it's either that this 1.29 HBOOT is so new that htcdev isn't updated to affect it, or that the sensation has changed internally and this new version is no longer supported (I got a new phone so could be the case, but my bet is the new HBOOT is too new).
I've just dropped a support request via htcdev, could be worth doing the same as anything that nudges them must help a bit: http://www.htcdev.com/contact
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I think the new board is the reason. I sent in my sensation because of a broken volume button and dust under the screen and they did replace the mainboard too. Completly pointless

LLLeeo said:
I think the new board is the reason. I sent in my sensation because of a broken volume button and dust under the screen and they did replace the mainboard too. Completly pointless
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Well, since vol button is soldered to death to mobo it makes sense.

tinky1 said:
Well, since vol button is soldered to death to mobo it makes sense.
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I meant the silver thing not the button itself.

Yesterday ganeshp told me on IRC that we should try Simon's Wildfires Utility v2 to Unlock the new HBOOT version...
I'll test it later, when i have time... I'll post the results then...
The offer to wipe my stockrom is given, if some developer is interested in an image of the new bootloader version. Maybe it's helpfull to do research of it?

purebeatz said:
Yesterday ganeshp told me on IRC that we should try Simon's Wildfires Utility v2 to Unlock the new HBOOT version...
I'll test it later, when i have time... I'll post the results then...
The offer to wipe my stockrom is given, if some developer is interested in an image of the new bootloader version. Maybe it's helpfull to do research of it?
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Dont bother trying. It won't work with the sensation

dexter93 said:
Dont bother trying. It won't work with the sensation
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you've checked it dexter...i think to make it work..we need to do small/simple modification(/dev/block for system ) in the script..but haven't tried it on any other phone...
you sure it wont work ?

ganeshp said:
you've checked it dexter...i think to make it work..we need to do small/simple modification(/dev/block for system ) in the script..but haven't tried it on any other phone...
you sure it wont work ?
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Apart from that, it uses tacoroot which is patched. Plus that the whole procedure won't work in newer hboots.
Im interested to take a look at the new firmware. When you get some time, join on irc

dexter93 said:
Apart from that, it uses tacoroot which is patched. Plus that the whole procedure won't work in newer hboots.
Im interested to take a look at the new firmware. When you get some time, join on irc
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ohh F*** tacoroot got pacthed after 1.18 HBOOT ??
that's why its failing when im trying lol
that's all there is to it then....if no tacoroot..no root...no unlock

I tried Simon's Wildfires Utility v2, but i didn't work. It copied some files to the device, restarted and booted into the stock recovery... nothing more happend.
Im interested to take a look at the new firmware. When you get some time, join on irc
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Yes of course... whats the name of the channel?

purebeatz said:
I tried Simon's Wildfires Utility v2, but i didn't work. It copied some files to the device, restarted and booted into the stock recovery... nothing more happend.
Yes of course... whats the name of the channel?
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click on my sig purebeatz

finaly iam s-off! thanks genesh and jb.
[GUIDE] Juopunutbear S-OFF WITHOUT VOIDING WARRANTY (1.2x HBOOT VERSIONS)

[Q] Anyone want to upgrade my HOX hboot? I'll pay.

I just had a child and really don't have the hours to spend researching like I should.
I would like to Skype with someone and have them walk me through the process.
I'll pay $15 through paypal.
Thanks,
prizman

For what purpose do you want to upgrade your hboot? Also, please post your current details: hboot, locked/unlocked status, s-on/s-off status, basically the first five lines of your bootloader screen.
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
For what purpose do you want to upgrade your hboot?
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Yeah, if you don't have time to mess with hboot, which mess with it at all?

timmaaa said:
For what purpose do you want to upgrade your hboot? Also, please post your current details: hboot, locked/unlocked status, s-on/s-off status, basically the first five lines of your bootloader screen.
Sent from my Evita
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I want to update my rom. I'm running Cyanogen 10 which is 4.1.1 and would like to upgrade to 4.2.2 at least. I'm looking forward to the new Paranoid Android rom and the PAC rom. Why have a rooted phone if you can't install all the newest gadgets on it?
Bootloader screen:
**** Tampered ****
**** Unlocked ****
EVITA PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT - 1.09.0000
RADIO-0.16.32.09.01_3
OpenDSP-v25.1.0.32.0405
eMMC-boot

redpoint73 said:
Yeah, if you don't have time to mess with hboot, which mess with it at all?
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Everytime I try and update the rom, I get an error saying the hboot needs to be updated.

It's not just the hboot that needs to be updated, a full update of the firmware is required so you need to run an RUU. In order to do this safely you need to get s-off first. Is your phone an att model? Do you have SuperCID?
PS. I realise that you might not have a great deal of time on your hands, but it is your responsibility (and XDA rules) to search before posting.
PPS. I'm not helping you because you're offering a reward, and in my opinion nor should anyone else be.
Sent from my Evita

Sent you a pm.
Sent from my HTC One XL using xda app-developers app

timmaaa said:
It's not just the hboot that needs to be updated, a full update of the firmware is required so you need to run an RUU. In order to do this safely you need to get s-off first. Is your phone an att model?
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+1 on this.
If you are S-off, just run the RUU and you are good to go. You'll have to reinstall custom recovery, since RUU writes stock recovery to the phone. But that's really it.
If you aren't S-off, the process is very easy. But it requires SuperCID, which if you don't already have SuperCID might be a bit more involved.
BTW, if you are SuperCID and S-on, do not run a Jellybean RUU, as it will brick the phone.