1) I haven't looked at it in a store yet, but saw somewhere online where it had ATT 3G frequencies.
2) How does this device compare to my OC'd HTV Vision running Cyanogen 7 (nightlies)? Does that duel core really make a difference?
Thanks.
synpax said:
1) I haven't looked at it in a store yet, but saw somewhere online where it had ATT 3G frequencies.
2) How does this device compare to my OC'd HTV Vision running Cyanogen 7 (nightlies)? Does that duel core really make a difference?
Thanks.
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1) supported bands: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100
2) it's faster.. although my G2 on CM7 nightlies was no slouch. the MT4GS is smooth as glass even on the godawful TMO fudged sense "3.0", which even a heavily overclocked Vision would struggle to run without hitches.
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1) supported bands: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100
2) it's faster.. although my G2 on CM7 nightlies was no slouch. the MT4GS is smooth as glass even on the godawful TMO fudged sense "3.0", which even a heavily overclocked Vision would struggle to run without hitches.
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I disagree with the comparison to the G2 on CM7. Granted I don't use nightlies, my G2 is on CM7.1.0 RC, and it runs as fast, if not faster, than the stock MTS4G. Plus it gets MUCH better battery life. At least I don't notice the MTS being faster. I personally don't like sense, and there are a lot of features (both installed and missing) on stock sense compared to CM7. I think that's one of the biggest reasons the battery lasts longer, lack of sense and the fact that I can overclock/underclock the CPU.
I know there is a lot of debate over the reliability of Quadrant Standard. But with everything off and as many apps force closed as possible, I get 16XX on the MTS4G, but 18XX+ with the G2. I have it over clocked to 1209 max and 245 min, set "on demand".
In my humble opinion, if you are debating on getting the MTS4G....and you like CM7, I would wait until S-off root is available.
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1) supported bands: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100
2) it's faster.. although my G2 on CM7 nightlies was no slouch. the MT4GS is smooth as glass even on the godawful TMO fudged sense "3.0", which even a heavily overclocked Vision would struggle to run without hitches.
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I appreciate your help but am not sure the answer to my first question (yes or no): does it support AT&T 3G bands in the US?
I could be wrong but, my understanding is that this phone will not work on ATT 3G frequencies. It will work for regular voice calls (once unlocked) but not ATT 3G.
I came to this conclusion by reading the specs... (again I could be wrong)
Quad Band 2G 850/900/1800/1900, 3G 1700/2100 & T-M 4G
1700/2100 is not ATT 3G even though the 2G works on both...
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I got 8925 ATT Tilt. They say it will not work with Tmobile's 3G because of frequency issues. But I read from some forums that it might be possible thru ROM flashing (whatever that means). and I found this forum and people here are talking about ROM which 99 percent, i dont understand the technical terms. My question is: What does flashing of ROM does? Can anybody tell me if they found out the Flashing of ROM for Tilt to make it work with 3G Tmobile. The internet of tMOBILE is bad in California. I hope someone can help me and explain to me in a nontechnical way. LOL. Thanks a lot.
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I got 8925 ATT Tilt. They say it will not work with Tmobile's 3G because of frequency issues. But I read from some forums that it might be possible thru ROM flashing (whatever that means). and I found this forum and people here are talking about ROM which 99 percent, i dont understand the technical terms. My question is: What does flashing of ROM does? Can anybody tell me if they found out the Flashing of ROM for Tilt to make it work with 3G Tmobile. The internet of tMOBILE is bad in California. I hope someone can help me and explain to me in a nontechnical way. LOL. Thanks a lot.
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Yes it does... You have a good size material to read. There was no need for a new thread... Learn first how to unlock your CID, flash a new radio, Upgrade the SPL, then learn how to flash a ROM.
Mods, I recommend closing this thread.
There has been a reference in a thread under the Athena x7510 that T-Mobile's 3G frequencies are 1700/2100 Mhz. The following HTC site reference for the G1 has been used to support this:
http://www.htc.com/us/product/g1/specification.html
Acording to the "GSM World" site T-Mobile operate GSM/GPRS/Edge on the 1900 Mhz frequency so clearly the Tilt will work on that frequency, but not to my knowledge on these other two (which I had not an understanding of before this).
As you can see I am an At&T customer so I do not have first hand knowledge. Can someone clarify this for us?
Thanks
robjhellis said:
There has been a reference in a thread under the Athena x7510 that T-Mobile's 3G frequencies are 1700/2100 Mhz. The following HTC site reference for the G1 has been used to support this:
http://www.htc.com/us/product/g1/specification.html
Acording to the "GSM World" site T-Mobile operate GSM/GPRS/Edge on the 1900 Mhz frequency so clearly the Tilt will work on that frequency, but not to my knowledge on these other two (which I had not an understanding of before this).
As you can see I am an At&T customer so I do not have first hand knowledge. Can someone clarify this for us?
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those two are for HSPA/WCDMA; For USA = 1700/2100 MHz. Do not concern yourself with that.... unless you are running on Verizon network.
Again... b4 you get involved with flashing, you need to read.
Tilts will NOT work on TMO 3G. No matter how much you flash it.
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Tilts will NOT work on TMO 3G. No matter how much you flash it.
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Earlier releases of the TILTs were series 140 which support Cellular Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1700, UMTS1900, UMTS2100, and provide Cellular-Data Links: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA
read here:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1387
The new TMO 3G will be received by the Tilt, however, might be a bit sluggish.
The KAIS140 release was cancelled
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Earlier releases of the TILTs were series 140 which support Cellular Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1700, UMTS1900, UMTS2100, and provide Cellular-Data Links: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA
read here:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1387
The new TMO 3G will be received by the Tilt, however, might be a bit sluggish.
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The current versions of the Kaiser do not support the 1700 band
so it will never work due to the hardware incompatability. That is the reason for my signature. Hopefully, HTC releases a WM PDA phone that works on us tmo(Touch HD would be nice). But that probably won't happen.
there was going to be a kaiser possibly released for tmo usa to be used on there 3g network, but was canceled: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1387
Will the nexus s unlocked be able to work on the at&t network?
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Yes. At EDGE
yes, you wont get 3g though.
Ok so basically not worth almost 600 unless they ever get 3g on it
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So the only reason to get the nexus S on at&t would be that it "might" have a working gps
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So the only reason to get the nexus S on at&t would be that it "might" have a working gps
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There has to be cheaper ways to get GPS, ya think?
What about uk version on the 20th. It has to support at&t 3g. Is it just a modem or hardware issue with us version?
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There has to be cheaper ways to get GPS, ya think?
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hahaha...
I've learned my lesson about dealing with Samsung. I'm looking forward to the Olympus.
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hahaha...
I've learned my lesson about dealing with Samsung. I'm looking forward to the Olympus.
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I have tested tegra 2 chipset and its nothing to brag about. It has the 2nd slowest gpu on the market out of all the 1 ghz phones. It only beats 1st gen snapdragons gpu. The quadrant benchmarks posted on the internet are not correct. Quadrant does not even support the cpu in its test. Samsung orion chipset is going to be the king of duel cores in 2011. Over 500 million triangles per sec. Tegra 2 claims 90 million triangles per sec but does it does not even perform at that level(maybe driver related).
Yup... not worth getting - its a snazzy Samsung I'm sure with all the same ol' issues as our phone currently.
Only benefit is running Gingerbread out of the box and a flash on the camera. Plus the modem is only for T-Mobile which means Edge for us AT&T folks.
any chance of a nexus s at&t like nexus one at&t? my personal experience, i will only get android phone of nexus series or with cyanogen support. otherwise, i'm going to have to wait forever for update.
Since Google has the full hardware specs on their site, I wonder if the Captivate will ever get Gingerbread? The Nexus S has very very similiar hardware specs.
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Since Google has the full hardware specs on their site, I wonder if the Captivate will ever get Gingerbread? The Nexus S has very very similiar hardware specs.
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I don't think the captivate will ever get gingerbread: we don't even have froyo.
the vibrant has the ATT 3g bands built in, has anyone seen specs that say this didn't happen on the Nexus S also??
Wait afew months and i'm pretty sure there will be a Nexus S for ATT like the Nexus One for ATT
if not... wait till next year around Q2 and we should be seeing some new phones out on ATT for android
http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s
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Network support Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700 HSPA type: HSDPA (7.2Mbps) HSUPA (5.76Mbps)
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http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s
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Network support Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700 HSPA type: HSDPA (7.2Mbps) HSUPA (5.76Mbps)
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Yea, was just about to post this myself...
Why will the phone only work with AT&T Edge, and not AT&T 3G?
So.....just to be clear this would not work with ATT 3G? Does that mean the Nexus one is only on EDGE for ATT as well?
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So.....just to be clear this would not work with ATT 3G? Does that mean the Nexus one is only on EDGE for ATT as well?
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According to the specs listed here --> http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs - it will work with AT&T 3G...unless I am mis-informed regarding the band frequencies.
Anyone with a educated answer able to confirm this?
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http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s
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Network support Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700 HSPA type: HSDPA (7.2Mbps) HSUPA (5.76Mbps)
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Yup.. I stand corrected - this should be a fully "open" device. So you can pay the 600 bones or jump to T-Mobile for $299.00.
Either way it should be the same phone (not ala Nexus 1 which had two flavors for the different networks).
From the commercials - it does appear to be Samsung hardware with JUST Google goodness inside. If thats the case - should be a wicked fast device that works!
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/05/att...s-androids-applications-network-improvements/
The Froyo update for us might give us HSPA+
With all these Android 2.2 phones coming out, it may be even longer before we see the Froyo update. Just my opinion.
Do our phones even have the ability to use HSPA+?
I already get an "h" on my phone where it previously said "3g". No even in a major metro -- Des Moines IA. I use this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=856561
yes att disabled this.
that is why we flash to i9000
In this article they say that are devices are not compatible
"Unfortunately, just like with HSPA+ on T-Mobile, existing HSPA-compatible devices will not be able to utilize HSPA+, but AT&T is set to remedy that with a whole lineup of HSPA+ ready flagship Android devices – Motorola ATRIX 4G, Samsung Infuse 4G, HTC Inspire 4G, a Motorola tablet, and others. Overall, AT&T is set to release 12 Android phones in 2011, between 5 and 7 of them being HSPA+."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...hspa-4g-expansion-12-android-devices-in-2011/
So what you are saying is that ATT is the culprit and our phones are hardware compatible but ATT has forced limitations to neuter our bandwith usage?
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In this article they say that are devices are not compatible
"Unfortunately, just like with HSPA+ on T-Mobile, existing HSPA-compatible devices will not be able to utilize HSPA+, but AT&T is set to remedy that with a whole lineup of HSPA+ ready flagship Android devices – Motorola ATRIX 4G, Samsung Infuse 4G, HTC Inspire 4G, a Motorola tablet, and others. Overall, AT&T is set to release 12 Android phones in 2011, between 5 and 7 of them being HSPA+."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...hspa-4g-expansion-12-android-devices-in-2011/
So what you are saying is that ATT is the culprit and our phones are hardware compatible but ATT has forced limitations to neuter our bandwith usage?
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you got it.
I think you guys are confusing existing HSPA (currently supported) with the new HSPA+ (just starting to see support).
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I think you guys are confusing existing HSPA (currently supported) with the new HSPA+ (just starting to see support).
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^We have a Winner.
Idk about offical att fw. I care about the network improvements
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That's what I thought, because I was pretty sure our devices weren't HSPA+ capable, just HSPA capable and that it would require the use of different bandwidths and or antennas to work.
What at&t has done is enabled HSDPA and disabled HSUPA which is part of the HSPA specification. The radio in the phone is capable of HSPA speeds up to 14Mbps but not higher AFAIK.
at&t just doesn't release radio firmware that have the faster uplink speeds enabled.
EDIT: Excuse me, the Captivate can't even do 14Mbps. It is locked at 7.2Mbps down and 5.76Mbps up.
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What at&t has done is enabled HSDPA and disabled HSUPA which is part of the HSPA specification. The radio in the phone is capable of HSPA speeds up to 14Mbps but not higher AFAIK.
at&t just doesn't release radio firmware that have the faster uplink speeds enabled.
EDIT: Excuse me, the Captivate can't even do 14Mbps. It is locked at 7.2Mbps down and 5.76Mbps up.
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Just so you know, HSDPA is the downstream bandwidth and HSUPA is the upstream bandwidth.
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Just so you know, HSDPA is the downstream bandwidth and HSUPA is the upstream bandwidth.
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I'm well aware of the differences between the two. Although due to the increased upstream speed and thus reduced latency, HSPA tends to have faster downstream speeds than HSDPA alone as well.
Is there any practical difference between the two or are they just rebranded versions of each other?
I'm sitting with my LG Thrill 4G right now and am looking to get some sort of root happening so I can manage this battery life..
pretty sure it's just branding but don't quote me on that.
All tech sites list them as the same so don't think there is any real difference.
If they are identical does that mean that the Optimus has a 4G radio?
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If they are identical does that mean that the Optimus has a 4G radio?
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AFAIK neither the O3D or the Thrill has true 4G radio, as I understand it it's just that some updated 3G stuff are OK to call 4G because of the upgrade even though it's not really 4G.
As I remember AT&T and some other network had a case before the review board that decides what is what because their ads said 4G but it's really not, but because of the speed upgrade they where doing etc it was decided that it could be called 4G.
I might be totally wrong and the Thrill 4G really has a 4G radio but I don't think so, I think most of the 4G phones are actually 3GPP LTE.
LG.com on Thrill said:
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Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE; 850/900/1800/1900 MHz; Tri-band UMTS/HSPA+; 850/1900/2100 MHz
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HSDPA 14.4 Mbps, HSUPA 5.7 Mbps
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Looks just like the O3D so unless the Thrill 4G for AT&T is a one of a kind AT&T specific phone that no other carrier can have then the 4G is marketing and nothing else.
CASE AND POINT
http://www.motherboard.tv/2011/1/7/...etwork-proves-4g-doesn-t-really-mean-anything
Hello everyone! So I was wondering if there was a way my HTC one s (s4 version) can get 4g or not? I live in the UK and I'm on giffgaff, but I checked on willmyphonework.com and it doesn't say it works there on any carrier, but on YouTube a few people have 4g on their HTC one s!
Any ideas? Thanks
It doesn't support 4G LTE, which is probably what you'd be after. It does do HSPA+, which is (or was) sometimes considered 4G (it's not a rigid term; "4G" just means "4th generation"), but it's nowhere near as speedy as LTE. Basically, HSPA+ is a souped up HSPA, so it is a bit faster than top-speed 3G, but LTE is a different standard that's based on different technology.