i dont really know too much about AOSP rom's but from what i hear they are very basic.. what makes that so great? i really have no idea since ive never used a AOSP rom. just wanted to know cuz i always hear ppl talking about how great they are. thanks
They are true Android. Built clean from source code from the AOSP website and modified to work with the specific phone. Basically its how every Android phone should come but each manufacturer likes to mess with the software and add their own stuff.
i agree, AOSP is very minimalistic, thats why i prefer them over an other rom
They're fast. Pretty much the main reason anyone switches.
Like the unlock screens this phone came with, both of them sucked. The puzzle was annoying because I would miss the swipe about 15% of the time while the glass unlock screen was just bad looking. I don't see the big deal about AOSP seeing as i replace pretty much anything AOSP/stock anyway(messenger, lockscreen, browser etc). I get it's there for the simplicity and stability but it's just boring if you ask me.
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They're fast. Pretty much the main reason anyone switches.
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This.
Performance on aosp blows touchwiz out of the water any day.
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This.
Performance on aosp blows touchwiz out of the water any day.
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ANYTHING blows touchwiz out of the water.
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ANYTHING blows touchwiz out of the water.
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TW4 isn't bad :]
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TW4 isn't bad :]
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Visually, its a huge improvement over tw3 but that's only the launcher. The only things I like about tw are the music player, task manager, and calculator. That's it. Not worth the sacrifice of performance imo.
We (maybe just I) want aosp because it frees us from samsungs untimely and poorly written source code releases.
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AOSP is pure google experience. AOSP ROM's are google experience with developer tweaks.
It doesn't require many approval processes, so it runs the latest version of the O/S usually before phone manufacturers can get them out
It is very slim and minimalistic with it being highly customizable.
It comes minus any bloat, all source code is available, full wiki with instructions to remove any portion you want, teh ability to grab the source code and compile it yourself..etc.
Here is an example as far as bloat goes, I had the thunderbolt for a bit, CM7 checked in around 80ish mb. A sense rom was going around 400 mbish.
I'm assuming then that the RAM usage by the OS will decrease dramatically from what it is now?
Its crazy to me that this device sets aside almost 200mb for the OS anyway, yet on startup, another 200 is used up immediately (I rebooted and cleared memory just to see).
Just seems like a rather large footprint.
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I'm assuming then that the RAM usage by the OS will decrease dramatically from what it is now?
Its crazy to me that this device sets aside almost 200mb for the OS anyway, yet on startup, another 200 is used up immediately (I rebooted and cleared memory just to see).
Just seems like a rather large footprint.
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Android isn't like your pc operating system. Unused ram is wasted ram. Apps are loaded in the background so they open quicker when you use them. When the ram is too low it kills off some processes.
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Android isn't like your pc operating system. Unused ram is wasted ram. Apps are loaded in the background so they open quicker when you use them. When the ram is too low it kills off some processes.
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Yea, I saw that response coming. I get how it works.
However, if you had more RAM to start with, more applications could be cached at a time which means your device will be opening more apps quickly. That's why I rebooted my phone before I provided numbers, because I'm asking about the RAM that the OS leaves free to actually do the caching.
Are you really trying to tell me that Android is so good that it wouldn't benefit from having more RAM available to it on startup?
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Yea, I saw that response coming. I get how it works.
However, if you had more RAM to start with, more applications could be cached at a time which means your device will be opening more apps quickly. That's why I rebooted my phone before I provided numbers, because I'm asking about the RAM that the OS leaves free to actually do the caching.
Are you really trying to tell me that Android is so good that it wouldn't benefit from having more RAM available to it on startup?
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No I get what you mean. This phone certainly does suffer from a lack of ram and aosp will help with that.
However, rebooting doesn't really tell you much about ram used by the os because it begins caching apps before it fully boots if I remember correctly.
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Lol, the more free RAM, the more efficient and faster your phone runs: for example, my old G1 with its limited RAM would freeze for 3 minutes if you tried its phone dial app, mind you it would happen almost randomly as the phone swapped out memory, oc'ing the g1 CPU made no difference since the bottleneck was the memory size. So, the more ram you have the better off you are.
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Typically the AOSP roms will be packaged together with a custom kernel built on mtd/yaffs which I believe to be the largest performance enhancer. The fact that the AOSP rom is minimal and has all the benefits as Utnapishtia mentioned just makes it that much faster because it's not burdened down with unnecessary garbage.
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I would like to know what are your guys readings of RAM usage. Mine sits around 240MB/339MB
Is that high or normal? I do have quite a bit of widgets on different home screens so I dont know what the baseline is. Please share your results.
Good topic I was wondering this myself ...
Average ram I have is about 128MB free out off 339MB
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179mb out of 339
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179mb out of 339
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Wow, running widgets? maybe I should modify my running apps.
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Wow, running widgets? maybe I should modify my running apps.
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No widgets running at the moment though.
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Task MAnagers!?!?!
I'm not sure if i am 100% right about this maybe won of the senior members who does know can enlighten us on this...
But I remember reading somewhere that task managers some times can hurt your phones RAM usage. I don't use one anymore unless it comes stock. and then I rarely find a reason to open it on mine. In standby I am running around 80-100 with 200-300 of freem RAM so with the SGS4G i don't think i will find a reason to use more than the stock utilities. I somtimes will installl a tool to monitor the RAM to see what I'm usin but every once in a while I go through and uninstall anything I don't need right away. I figure ussually being in good internet coverage I can always put something back.
So does anyone else know about wether or not the "Task Manager" could actually be a tantric in some cases?
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So widgets are the ram hog on this phone? I have been constantly clearing ram in the task manager to help with speed. I only run clock, battery, and calender widgets on my device. Are they enough to boost me all the way to 240+ even after a RAM clearing? Considering the age of this thread is this still the case with new ROM's that are starting to roll out? I'm still stock, and very noob to android devices, but the urge for mods is growing given the positive responses to them.
http://m.lifehacker.com/5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Very good article about task killers
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So widgets are the ram hog on this phone? I have been constantly clearing ram in the task manager to help with speed. I only run clock, battery, and calender widgets on my device. Are they enough to boost me all the way to 240+ even after a RAM clearing? Considering the age of this thread is this still the case with new ROM's that are starting to roll out? I'm still stock, and very noob to android devices, but the urge for mods is growing given the positive responses to them.
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Well, this is def not the case anymore. I sit around 200MB free. Ever since cwm's final release the doors opened for us. Go get some love
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You shouldn't have to worry too much about RAM usage. A lot of it used by the OS. But yeah widgets does lower it and whatever app you're using. But I hope you don't resort to using task killers just to save 50mb's of RAM. It's there for use and shouldn't be looked at too much.
Mine shows about 400/626, but haven't noticed any big difference in battery drain when it's at 300/626.
Simple answer....everything hogs ram. The best way to tell what's worse is settings » applications » manage applications and watch your ram usage when you have certain things running. You will notice what is hogging more than others.
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Thank you for the info everybody. Been ruinning just fine all day with the ram almost maxed out, hard to break that task manager habit though lol. Goona keep reading before I root-flash-mod need to make sure I get it right the first time.
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Samsung and Tmo set many bloatware to run ALL the time and hogs RAM
via Linda file manager and auto memory manager (which tweak's android's memory management, not a standard task killer), i saw many apps that always run (many with priority equals to android system and the phone app) such as "wifi calling, visual voice mail, my account, qik, device management, drm, etc.
not everyone use these apps and they take up precious RAM and tiny amount of CPU cycles.
worse, however, is how the phone keeps loading unused, unaccessed, unwanted apps into memory (been weeks since I used pandora, yet it keeps getting reloaded into memory).
from clean boot, I get 150mb free. after a week, I get 45-55mb. This causes memory manager to kill off app as soon as you switch away and alot of stutter (dont you hate it when your browser gets killed)
Dont know if theres a fix for this. I tried tweaking the OOM parameters but it doesnt seem to work on this phone. Samsung probably tweaked something that broke this.
1. Settings-> developer options-> and Window animation scale and Transition Animation scale -> change both of those to 0.5x (or 0 for both, for instant reactions). Doing this will speed up your phone.
information got from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1735283&highlight=transition+0+5
2. Settings-> Developer Options--> Limit Background Processes
Set it to 4 to increase the "smoothness" of your phone.
information got from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1797011
Thanks will try, this, to think it's already fast...lol
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Set it to 4 to increase the "smoothness" of your phone.
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This made absolutely no difference at all in my system but I already had all the bloatware either frozen or removed.
Limiting background apps to 4 is pretty silly when we have 2gb of RAM! That'd make sense if we had 512mb or *maybe* even a gig, but I've never come close to using all 2 and I have an extremely high number of apps installed including a ton that run in the background.
I only did what you mentioned in the first tip and omg its amazingly fast!
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Limiting background apps to 4 is pretty silly when we have 2gb of RAM! That'd make sense if we had 512mb or *maybe* even a gig, but I've never come close to using all 2 and I have an extremely high number of apps installed including a ton that run in the background.
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While 2gb of ram is nice, the device needs 4 cores to handle the high cpu load...after a couple days without a reboot, my device hits over 1gb ram usage(thats debloated too)...the problem is the cpu cant keep up with all the processes. Limiting them does help, but it would be nice if there was an option for limiting to 8 processes. 4 seems to be a little excessive and causes delays with email updates and what not, but it does infact keep the device smoother overtime.
Edit* also i believe its a TW issue aswell because this issue is non existant on aosp roms like cm10. Thats partially due to alot less crap running in the background compared to stock touchwiz.
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While 2gb of ram is nice, the device needs 4 cores to handle the high cpu load...after a couple days without a reboot, my device hits over 1gb ram usage(thats debloated too)...the problem is the cpu cant keep up with all the processes. Limiting them does help, but it would be nice if there was an option for limiting to 8 processes. 4 seems to be a little excessive and causes delays with email updates and what not, but it does infact keep the device smoother overtime.
Edit* also i believe its a TW issue aswell because this issue is non existant on aosp roms like cm10. Thats partially due to alot less crap running in the background compared to stock touchwiz.
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http://m.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
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http://m.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
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Essentially its saying the same thing...the more ram available allows to run more powerful apps. However it does not help with high cpu usage from too much **** running in the bacground.
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Essentially its saying the same thing...the more ram available allows to run more powerful apps. However it does not help with high cpu usage from too much **** running in the bacground.
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That isn't at all what it is saying.
This phone is already faster than my old iPhone but faster is always better. Thanks!
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That isn't at all what it is saying.
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I agree its counteractive to kill off apps every 10 min, but it is effective to do it once a day. Im just telling it as what Im experiencing on my end...
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This phone is already faster than my old iPhone but faster is always better. Thanks!
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Any modern android, setup correctly, is faster and more powerful than the iphone
I prefer to turn off the animations so everything is instant on this already fast phone.
Sadly since I got this phone the problem isn't speed, it's battery dying too fast! But I'll definitely give it a shot and see if I can tell a difference
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I have noticed that my GS3 constantly uses more than 1GB of ram....usually about 1.15. I'm on the Synergy ROM. I read somewhere that this might depends on the ROM (some use more than others). Is that true or is there some kind of a tweak I can set up. I usually just hold the home button down and go into task and clear out the memory.
Thanks!
Touchwiz uses alot of ram in general...not much you can do other than switch to aosp roms.
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Touchwiz uses alot of ram in general...not much you can do other than switch to aosp roms.
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Didn't know that....I was waiting for the CM10 to get more stable and switch to that. I think it might be time.
Thanks!
Take a look at this article:
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
It talks about how Android uses RAM and why it doesn't matter that the RAM is "filling up". It's a bit long and a bit elementary at times, but it's interesting nonetheless.
Edit: as far as programs using more RAM (TW>AOSP), there is probably some performance gain to be seen. BUT since you're not completely filling the RAM currently, it SHOULDN'T be all that significant.
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Take a look at this article:
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
It talks about how Android uses RAM and why it doesn't matter that the RAM is "filling up". It's a bit long and a bit elementary at times, but it's interesting nonetheless.
Edit: as far as programs using more RAM (TW>AOSP), there is probably some performance gain to be seen. BUT since you're not completely filling the RAM currently, it SHOULDN'T be all that significant.
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+1 Great article!! I'm no longer worried hehe
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+1 Great article!! I'm no longer worried hehe
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For what it's worth, I'm usually sitting at 1.2g on Synergy Nightly r53.
But I've got a lot of crap that likes to run in the background. Some apps, like Life is Crime use a little over 55mb, but I find that DroidStyle has it right up above. It looks like the elements of touchwiz are taking up like 300-600mb (if you count all the samsungy stuff like gestures and smart watch and all that)
I'm fine with very little ram available, the problem is screen redraws too much and becomes choppy.
Kinda annoying really
I updated my atrix 2 with official ICS update 672.1.18.MB865.AsiaRetail.en.03 but found it to eat up all my RAM, normally i always had atleast 450-500mb free in normal state with the backgroud processes on, but after loading ICS i found my free RAM to be only 190mb-230mb. Does anyone face similar problem or know how how to rectify it???? I even uninstalled some of the Apps which work in background to get some of RAM back so i can play graphics heavy games, but it didn't help. Senior members please guide
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I updated my atrix 2 with official ICS update 672.1.18.MB865.AsiaRetail.en.03 but found it to eat up all my RAM, normally i always had atleast 450-500mb free in normal state with the backgroud processes on, but after loading ICS i found my free RAM to be only 190mb-230mb. Does anyone face similar problem or know how how to rectify it???? I even uninstalled some of the Apps which work in background to get some of RAM back so i can play graphics heavy games, but it didn't help. Senior members please guide
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GB software was/is very stable and has great performance, so it’s not a bad idea for some to stay on this release until the official OTA has been pushed and tested by the devs to check the possibilities for flashing back to GB - if at all. ICS is more intensive, for example, in terms of resource usage. As smartphones become more capable, our own applications, as well as the Google Mobile Services (GMS) applications, are becoming more advanced, which means that they require more CPU power, run more network activities and use more RAM, and full hardware acceleration also results in a need to load additional graphic libraries for certain apps, which makes them use even more RAM.
Another effect of the hardware acceleration is that it can make the battery drain faster in some cases. An example of this is video playback, where the hardware acceleration requires every video frame to be run through the GPU, thus making the system use more power than it would have without HW acceleration.
Out of your RAM, about a third is used for functions that require a dedicated memory allotment to operate fast enough. For example, this is the case for certain multimedia functions. The remaining space, is reserved for the Android OS. Within the Android OS, functions like the activity manager and Home screen app are running.
When running low on RAM, typically with less than approximately 40MB left, the activity manager will start to close processes according to priority. At first, idle background activities are killed. The last thing to be closed down is the foreground activity.
Processes that are closed will obviously have to be restarted when the user enters the app again, which takes time and slows the system down. For example, when running a heavy game that uses all available RAM, the activity manager will be forced to kill all processes running in the background. This might include vital functions like the dialler and even the Home screen application. When you exit your game, there is a risk that the phone is perceived as slow, since the Home screen app will have to be restarted, just like every other activity you access afterwards.
Another interesting thing is that many apps use slightly more RAM in ICS. For example, the web browser is quite intensive, and uses 20-30MB more in ICS compared to GB. All in all, there are a lot of changes that together result in greater RAM requirements, and resource usage in ICS is heavier on the system compared to GB.
I've found that Android runs fine without having much free ram, if you think about it logically there is no need for free ram, if every bit of your ram is going to something then everything is going to work fine. My G2 has 366mb ram, about 40 of that is free right now, but the system still runs smoothly (mostly due to my 1.3ghz overclock), and I can multitask and play games just fine, Android manages memory very well. Keeping an eye on free ram isn't important, you should be worried if things start closing and the OS starts running very slowly tho. Is there more free ram with some of the mods in the development section? SCV7 and stuff?
To make it long story short,it being official firmware will have loads of bloatware and moto stuff that people hardly use.May be that is what is consuming your RAM.Just what I think.You can root and use Titanium backup to freeze/remove that bloatware
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To make it long story short,it being official firmware will have loads of bloatware and moto stuff that people hardly use.May be that is what is consuming your RAM.Just what I think.You can root and use Titanium backup to freeze/remove that bloatware
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Good point, the bloatware and blurware definitely bogs down the phone, happens on pretty much all phones with manufacturer skins. Which is why CM and AOSP is so awesome.
How does Jb compare to the memory useage of ics? Will it be better?
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how is the battery life on ics? better or less than GB???
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How does Jb compare to the memory useage of ics? Will it be better?
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I wouldn't hold your breath for JB on this device. I mean, for gripe's sake, look how long it's taking to get ICS for the A2. But, aside from this phone, CM10 on my S3 is flawless, I have absolutely no complaints. This phone, and this ROM, are perfection...
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i asked about gingerbread sir......comparison of battery life
For me i guess battery is draining just a little lesser in ICS than GB. Difference is not very huge but there its a slight improvement...also you can disable few background tasks...
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i have a similar problem but ...
i recently just flashed the ICS Supercharged rom and each time i boot up there is a notification that says " Low on Space". well i read around forums and they were talking about not having enough RAM, i am also running ICS leak and i am using bootmenu to keep both kinda like a Virtual Box. Could i solve this problem ?
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To make it long story short,it being official firmware will have loads of bloatware and moto stuff that people hardly use.May be that is what is consuming your RAM.Just what I think.You can root and use Titanium backup to freeze/remove that bloatware
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surprisingly this OTA release is clean and neat with less such stock apps.. and if you want there is an option in the manage application (Settings -> Apps -> ALL) to "Disable" any such stock aps. I've disabled a few annoying running service for me, News and Weather, Facebook, Face Unlock, Social Location, Task etc..
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i recently just flashed the ICS Supercharged rom and each time i boot up there is a notification that says " Low on Space". well i read around forums and they were talking about not having enough RAM, i am also running ICS leak and i am using bootmenu to keep both kinda like a Virtual Box. Could i solve this problem ?
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I believe you have to format the webtop partition if you're using it for the 2nd system. I did that and had plenty of free space.
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Battery life on ics is actually pretty good.. Running on sc7 leak 2 and my bat life for some reason has greatly improved compared to when I was on GB
would that mess up with my webtop
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I believe you have to format the webtop partition if you're using it for the 2nd system. I did that and had plenty of free space.
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would that still enable me to use my webtop
And The task manager which we had in gb is gone. That could do auto kills which was great.
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Whenever i use game killer on an aosp rom and when i look for the values it reboots. i have tried on paranoid android and liquidsmooth and same thing happens. is there any specific settings on how to use it with an aosp rom? it works fine on touchwiz. any help with this will be gladly appreciated.
Did you happen to find out how to fix this?
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Did you happen to find out how to fix this?
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Nope. Maybe is because none uses this game hack apps
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Nope. Maybe is because none uses this game hack apps
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I have used it on kairosoft games and never had any problems with it so I can't help you out.
Thousands of people do my decision was to flash cleanbean which is a stripped touchwiz rom. It's not the best choice though since half my ram is in constant use but it works. It used to work fine on cyanogenmod I don't know what happened. Oh well.
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Thousands of people do my decision was to flash cleanbean which is a stripped touchwiz rom. It's not the best choice though since half my ram is in constant use but it works. It used to work fine on cyanogenmod I don't know what happened. Oh well.
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You know the old saying "Doc it hurts when I do this" .
Well don't do that then....
If your RAM is half full consistently, then your ROM is broken. The Android (Linux) OS memory manager strives to keep the RAM 80% used /full all the time so that apps load faster. If its less than that you either don't have any apps installed or, you dorkeked something. Lots of times people try to use auto task killers, which work against the OS and cause much memory thrashing and gnashing of teeth and resultant poor performance. Having 60% of the RAM free might make you feel better, but it won;t make your phone faster, just the opposite.