it has been predicted, 3/10 android users will get malware in this next year.

it has been predicted, 3/10 android users will get malware in this next year. - General Topics

Wow, with malware so bad that sometimes they're sending "premium" text messages at 40 dollars a pop those low end android devices aren't looking so low end. With apps from ringtone downloaders to battery managers to guitar hero rip-offs getting malware android is really hitting the dirt. Even if sales-wise they're doing great android is taking some major blows to the legal department and now even publicity-wise with their childish approach to the patents. This malware is just another part of the tower of android crumbling. i guess that's what happens when you build a multi-million dollar building on a foundation of jell-o. I for one am interested in seeing how google recovers from all of this mess.

So far all of the Android malware I've heard of has used the rageagainstthecage exploit, which only works on older froyo ROMs. Just make sure you buy an up to date Android phone from a manufacturer that keeps their phones updated and you'll be fine.
On the Evo 4G, for example, HTC waited until there was a patch for Gingerbreak before they pushed the GB OTA. That was months ago and the new firmware still has not been rooted.

Smh...
16% of PC users are unaffected by viruses/malware.

I wouldn't buy another android device regardless of manufacturer or updates. There's still malware on android utilizing other exploits, looking into the OS itself they could pretty much get away with it completely legally without issues and with no market authorization... Its scary.
Vetvito, the great thing is that my PC, like most, comes with virus protection. Does not have direct access to my bill, and anyone with an education exceeding the third grade can prevent at least the vast majority of viruses. My wife got a vibrant for awhile and downloaded an angry birds guide and the next month we had 80 dollars in charges from fox mobile group. Its insane how bad google manages... Well... The whole mobile sect.

Well, technically everyone with an education exceeding the third grade can read what permissions an android app is asking for and can figure out that app XYZ has no business messing with your account list, contacts or text messages. Everyone is entitled to an opinion though, Android isn't perfect but it's silly saying one OS is more resistant to malware than another. The only thing that really matters is how many people use it, the more users the more people looking for vulnerabilities.

^ well put. Hence the 16% of PC users are unaffected.

xHausx said:
Well, technically everyone with an education exceeding the third grade can read what permissions an android app is asking for and can figure out that app XYZ has no business messing with your account list, contacts or text messages. Everyone is entitled to an opinion though, Android isn't perfect but it's silly saying one OS is more resistant to malware than another. The only thing that really matters is how many people use it, the more users the more people looking for vulnerabilities.
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what's more ridiculous is that tired argument. Android is open to malware because there's no app certification in the marketplace, there's no real failsafes built into the OS until after the fact, and because, well, as everyone is so proud of, its open source. Wp7 and ios are locked and thoroughly so to avoid such complications. That's the benefits you get from building your own OS rather than borrowing code that's readily available and largely outdated. IOS for awhile had a larger userbase than android. I never heard any peep about malware there... android is just a poorly built and even lesser optimized OS.

This will be my last reply since it's pointless to really continuing this conversation, but I will fill you in on a little fact that you seem to have missed. When it's possible to open up a web page and have your device jailbroken/rooted whatever, that is a very serious security hole. That means anyone can do the same thing without your permission.
I have never seen a method to root an android phone using the above method yet it's fairly common with iOS. I even remember hearing about a way to take complete control over an iPhone 4 by doing nothing more than sending it a text message, if that's not a serious security hole than I don't know what is. So if you are actually interested in using a secure OS and not just here to troll and bash android, you may want to do a little more homework on just how secure each platform is.
Take the Pwn2Own competition for example, "During the first day of the competition Safari and Internet Explorer were defeated by researchers. Safari was version 5.0.3 installed on a fully-patched Mac OS X 10.6.6.[23] French security firm VUPEN was first to attack the browser, and five seconds after the browser visited its specially-crafted malicious web page, it had both launched the platform calculator application (a standard harmless payload to demonstrate that arbitrary code has been executed) and written a file to the hard disk (to demonstrate that the sandbox had been bypassed).
The second and last browser to fall for the day was a 32-bit Internet Explorer 8 installed on 64-bit Windows 7 Service Pack 1.[23] Security researcher Stephen Fewer of Harmony Security was successful in exploiting IE. Just as with Safari, this was demonstrated by running Windows' calculator program and writing a file to the hard disk."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn2Own
Google's Chrome browser was the only one that was not compromised.

An excellent explanation of just how vulnerable iOS and the iphone are. Just to throw in my own 2 cents, I have used Android for the last 3 years now. I have rarely if ever utilized a security program, and have NEVER had any of my phones compromised.
I'm not by any means saying it doesn't happen, I simply think that if your careful, and paying attention to what your doing, then you shouldn't have any problems.

I predict 3 out of 10 iPhone users will be sodomized with a Zhu Zhu Pet next year.

SUCCESSOR said:
I predict 3 out of 10 iPhone users will be sodomized with a Zhu Zhu Pet next year.
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Fantastic. Perfect phrasing.

You can judge an OS's success by the amount of malware targeting it.
Windows being the most popular OS, has the most malware.
Interestingly the most compromised OS on the internet used in botnet attacks is Linux, simply because of the numbers of computers running it.
So any successful product will be targetted, even Macs have viruses despite what apple fanboi's would have you believe.
So for IOS and Android to be targeted it reflects the market share of those products, their success, and as has been already noted, most vulnerabilities are specific to earlier versions of Android.
Any OS that is so unpopular it's market share has plummeted to 5.8% and continues to fall isn't likely to be worth targeting, so WP7 is pretty safe simply due to lack of interest in it from both consumers and malware writers.
It's a bit like people who run Win98 still for security reasons, despite it being easy to compromise, because so few people still use it, it is no longer being actively targeted.

It's been predicted... By whom exactly? I don't see any links in your posts.
Predicted by antivirus/antimalware companies wanting to scare you into buying their products? Products which may, but totally may not actually protect you (remember most of these are reactive software, they can't protect you from something they don't know about)?

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Google's Chrome browser was the only one that was not compromised.
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and the reason for that is the developer of the chrome exploit was led to believe it was not valid, it turns out that it was but the developer of the exploit had already given it to google for $$$
Hence the patch frenzy just before Pwn2OWn.

xaccers said:
So any successful product will be targetted, even Macs have viruses despite what apple fanboi's would have you believe.
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To be fair OS X does not have any.

If you're really paranoid about malware on android, you can download virus protection from the Market, like Lookout or Anti-virus from AVG.
Don't know how effective they are, but at least you won't be effected by any known malware out there.
But not really needed I think, check permission the app asks for and if they make sense, you should be pretty safe.
Also I think Google is on the ball when it comes to this.

Tone_ said:
To be fair OS X does not have any.
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That'll be your little secret then

Tone_ said:
To be fair OS X does not have any.
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Wrong.
http://www.macforensicslab.com/Prod...in_page=document_general_info&products_id=174
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2029303/virus-mac-invulnerable
Thank you. come again.
Also, Op, baby, Stop projecting your Wp7 buyers remorse onto everyone else. Yes we get it you are unhappy with your sucky boring spoonfed o/s. move on from the denial stage it and learn your lesson for your next phone, cause no one really cares. Easily aviodable and fixable Malware on Android is still better than stuipifyingly boring wp7. You can console yourself that maybe Wp8 or whatever wil be better, or maybe you can change to an iphone and lecture us on how your device is "better" than our various devices cause it has a shiny fruity logo and you can jailbreak it but until then yourphonesucks.
XOXOXO

z33dev33l said:
Wow, with malware so bad that sometimes they're sending "premium" text messages at 40 dollars a pop those low end android devices aren't looking so low end. With apps from ringtone downloaders to battery managers to guitar hero rip-offs getting malware android is really hitting the dirt. Even if sales-wise they're doing great android is taking some major blows to the legal department and now even publicity-wise with their childish approach to the patents. This malware is just another part of the tower of android crumbling. i guess that's what happens when you build a multi-million dollar building on a foundation of jell-o. I for one am interested in seeing how google recovers from all of this mess.
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I'm gonna go ahead and tempt karma here...
Malware only hits people who download stupid and questionable ****. I know this is harsh, but people bring it on themselves.
As for older versions of Android, everyone should be on cm7 anyway, unless they like their phone to be slow.
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I'm surprised they say only 3 out of 10, I would have said 50% with the total lack of control and approvals required to get apps on the marketplace. Apple certainly do a better job of controlling what is allowed live than any Android store.

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Newsflash: Android Is Not Perfect

This is just a PSA to all you vicious Android fanboys on this forum that hound anyone who asks the question "what phone should I get", especially when one of those options includes an iOS device or a WP7 device.
So let me get this started. I love Android. But Android is not perfect. Take a deep breath, and say it with me again, out loud.
"Android is not perfect." Was that too hard? If so the following explanation is for you.
Ever since Android first came out, people were hailing it as the iPhone killer. But in reality? It's really not. It may be getting there, and may be getting there quickly, but that's not that point.
It may be a surprise to many of you, but there are actually other human beings outside of XDA that use smartphones. Human beings that are not interested in rooting their phones or spending a lot of time completely customizing them or pushing them to the limit. These human beings want their phones to work when they need them, and that's all. Whether these phones are iOS, Android, or Windows Mobile/7 phones is completely irrelevant to them.
Except, it actually is. But see, not in the way most of you seem to think it is.
People shop for phones nowadays because the have an end they need to reach and they need the means to get to that end. Whether it's something as simple as checking an email message or quenching a thirst to play a game, they take into consideration what is the quickest, most hassle-free way to do this. This requirement is not because they are stupid. Most XDA users seem to think that anyone off XDA just buys iPhones because they are uneducated about "the true power of Android" and all that jazz. Guess what? That's not the case.
Yes. Here at XDA, we can do a lot with our phones. We root them, we build custom ROMs for them, we use features that were locked before, or get versions of our OS that aren't out yet.
But please be damn sure you understand that we are the minority. We will always be the minority. Your experience here doesn't define the mobile landscape, it only improves your personal experience with your phone. Just because you took a few hours to root your phone, find the perfect custom ROM, and settle down with it doesn't make the average Joe who just bought an iPhone (because it does what he wants easily and has all the apps he likes) a stupid user.
Here is the meat of this newsflash; Android wouldn't be here if it wasn't for iOS. (Going further, iOS wouldn't be there without Windows Mobile, and etc etc etc until we reached the very first man who asked 'why can't I see my email from my phone'). Apple took a chance on what people wanted, and realized they had something. They built an OS that was based on the ideals of OS X; simple, straight-forward, good looking, and well received. And so began the App and Data revolution. All of a sudden, the idea of having mobile data became real. These wonderful delicious little things called "apps" made the mobile world much more exciting than it had even been before. And so Apple hit a goldmine, and the mobile landscape had been painted. These apps were well-designed, fun, informative, useful, and people liked them so much, they started to buy paid apps. Apple knows how to market to people, and there success showed.
So then. Android.
Android was birthed out of the idea that Google could cash in on this app world. You may think the intentions were noble, with the idea that it was some pipe dream in the same way linux was; completely open mobile platform. After all, if Apple could have the success with a closed system, Google obviously could rock the world with an open one.
But it's not. Android, or at least what most people come to think of as Android these days, is not "open". It's open to phone manufacturers, and carriers, but that's it. It' snot open to the end user. Why else do we have locked down features, closed-source OEM skins that hinder future firmware upgrades? Why else do we have carrier-controlled Market restrictions? Why do some phones not ship with developer tools, or the ability to install from unknown sources?
Let me be frank. I love Android, but Android is a mess. It's a mess of a bunch of wonderful ideas that would have shined like nothing else in the perfect world, but a mess that didn't anticipate a simple fact; businesses like to make money.
The truth of the matter is that we don't have freedom with Android. Every little part of it has a restriction we need to bypass. Do you buy an expensive high end phone, or a cheaper low-end phone? Will you still be able to play those cool games on that low end phone? Will it get software updates? Is it safe from malware? Buying an Android phone has become the same as trying to buy a Windows PC.
It suffers from the same problem that Microsoft does when compared to Apple's line of computers. Apple builds its hardware AND its software, so they interface with complete precision and function. People with iPhones don't need to worry about security updates, or whether their phone will be obsolete. Apple may release a new phone every year, but the point is that those phones are made to last, both in terms of hardware and software. They even went the next step further and made the iPod touch, which gave phone users who weren't ready for smartphones a taste of what it was like.
My Sprint Hero came out on October 11th, 2009. The iPhone 3GS came out in June of the same year. Both were priced around the same amount, but what stands out to me the most when I think back to when I tested both that year? The fact it took Google this long to make an operating system which took ages to mature enough to be used by HTC to make a phone that STILL could not even give me a smooth web browser, something that the very first iPhone was able to do. Games on the Hero sucked in comparison to the 3D games that were playable on the iPhone.
Now then, Android smartphone hardware has advanced to a significant level, but the point of this whole rant is that Google has always been following in Apple's footsteps in the mobile world, and it's going to be that way for some time.
Be a bit humble about the begginings of Android and what it's become, and for f***'s sake, be a bit mature than just saying "LOLOLOL APPLE SUCKS GG GET ANDROID".
Because it's the rest of the world outside of XDA that defines the success of these mobile platforms, because I hate to say this, but you and I are not part of that outside world of mobile phone users, and we never will be.
The truth is, no one can really say what the "perfect" mobile OS is. All we can do is say what works best for us or what we prefer, but when we state it as fact, as though it's not arguable, that's when we become the fanboys that we so dearly hate. Just keep that in mind.
Opinions welcome, fanboyism from either side not wanted at all. Congrats on finishing this post.

Excellent post. Would read again.

Great things said there. I can see a point in it. But still, I don't either see Ios higher as Android since Ios is a mess too. Let me just take this simple statement. Music on a Ipod/Iphone needs to be converted from the computer to the device, you can't random download a song(on the device) from Internet and play it. Same as the file exploring.. if you want to search for a file, you find a file in some folder like: im/af/on/ar/qr, or just some folders which are messy, and the file types are unknown for the computer. All those small things give me the excuse to stay at Windows Mobile. Simply cause we can download music files and play it, simply cause there is great development on it, simply cause it can be customized how we want it.

Cool story bro
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Good job. That must have taken some serious thought to come up with.

This is something I 100% agree with.
When I had a Samsung Moment, I had problems galore with it. Keyboard wouldn't type, horrible support, and the big network lockup. Mind you, a network lockup where you can't call out to anyone is against FCC laws. But just to get some type of damn support for the thing, I almost had to root it. And I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to depend on an online community for support for a phone when the carrier and manufacturer of the phone should be doing that. What the hell is the point in buying the phone and paying damn near $70 a month if I can't use the damn thing?
Let's also talk about performance of the Moment and how unoptimized it was. The Moment uses the same SoC found in the Iphone 2g, and 3g. The only difference, stock 2g and 3g SoC is 600 mhz, clocked down to about 422 mhz for battery, while the Moment was 800 mhz. Both arm11 cpu cores. The Iphone 2g and 3g despite having almost half the clocked frequency of the Moment, was smoother and had actual hardware support and acceleration. Even this day, Samsung still does not have proper hardware support for the SoC being used in the Moment, Intercept, Transform, Spica, etc etc.
If done right, Android is pretty awesome I'll admit. But if I want a phone to work, I'll get something that actually works.

big advantage of android, but also a weakness:
it works well on many devices, but its not optimised for the spezific hardware of each phone...

gosualex said:
big advantage of android, but also a weakness:
it works well on many devices, but its not optimised for the spezific hardware of each phone...
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Good understanding

I love android because I love to tinker. Nothing could ever change my mind short of the os aging. I will say this flaws or not I refuse to give apple my money. So it's either wp7 or android.
My words to live buy if I can't hack it I don't want it. Just my 2cents
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I would agree iPhones support is a lot longer no network changes added, updates can brick the phones though.
Android need some love. Fragmentation. Networks slow to update. Ui 's being to sluggish to update the phone to higher levels.
All android phones should be aosp no extras from makers or networks.
Love my cm7/miui.us phone but most people would want to flash it or know how to. They would just think might as well get an iPhone.
Just my feelings. I own apple computers. Custom built pcs android phones had iPhones I still use an iPod touch in the kitchen as you can get the best speaker docks for them. Use what works best for the situation.
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Android security warning !!
I think android is the best system, but its very insecure if you let it on stock and don't secure it, root it, get rid of some apps and optimize it.
Did you know that a normal app with all permissions can get all your data?
-gps location
-contacts
-logs
-screenshots
-hidden camerashots
-sms/mms
-emails
-photos
-etc
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS FACT !!!
There was a test in germany, where a developer made a app with all the rights to do the things above and send them hidden in the backround to a specified server to that he had access. So he could read and see all the things above and it was even updating immidiatly after a new sms or something came in and the testuser who installed it had no clue at all and was shocked when they told it to her.
The App itself was just making photos with a black censor stripe in the eyes and it seemed that it never could do that, but all the real action is going on in the backround.
By the way, he sayd it was very easy and many apps could do that and most of them really do that.
And what I know, many of you don't know or don't care and spread all your information to some companys that like to have them alot. And they allways want more.
Maybe you should spread this information by quoting this post or linking to it, because many people don't like to be ripped of their information.
Or do you like it, when someone is standing close to you and listens all what you say to your friends, when you have a private conversation ? I think not!
check out my signature also.
and be safe!
edit: i think i should post this as a new thread!

Great post, good read!!

Hard to say any mobile OS is perfect. But the world of mobile OS is developing quickly in recent years.
Haven't played extensively with Android and IOS. Currenly, I still think IOS is more polish. Android definitely have a lot of features and I am looking forward to where they take the OS to in the future. It seems like it's an OS that has a lot of support and has had to "grow up" really rapidly.

I actually agrer with everything in this post. Fact is the best technology in the world is technology that is stable, works, and allows the user to complete what ever task is needed.
Last night it was decided my wife and I are switching to verizon why? Cause the wife wants IOS and I am more partial to android and BB and thats the only carrier that has all 3.
Now to add on what was already said I think google needs to pick one manufacture purchase them then do exactly what apple does marry the hardware amd software together to get rid of what can be a problematic OS simply cause with some manufactures android is worse then on others.
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I think android is the best system, but its very insecure if you let it on stock and don't secure it, root it, get rid of some apps and optimize it.
Did you know that a normal app with all permissions can get all your data?
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You give apps on an iphone or WM phone permissions to do these things too right, so this is a more general problem in the new mobile world...
BTW, I like you're post LiquidSolstice, you could almost call it a fact, it's not that the one is better than the other. It's just that they are different and the majority of people likes easy and simple...

I agree with alot of what LS mentions in the first post. My wife is one of those who could really care less about rooting, overclocking, mem management, or even what version of Android she is using for that matter. She just wants to be able to send that text without the keyboard "hicupping", or to make that phone call without the dialer lagging, etc. I like Android, but I don't like Google's.. well let's say "less than kosher" business practices and corporate involvements. I think a big point to remember is that there will always be people like us that get a huge kick out of toying with electronics. For some, it's a hobby, for others, a career. With that being said, there will also always be those doofies that get on sites like this one and annoy the living crap out of you. Everything needs to be taken in stride, and though there are those who appear to be clueless on a subject, always remember that we all have to learn somehow. Knowledge is not obtained through osmosis.

Android feels like a permanent beta. I prefer iOS for simple tasks plusSbsettings is unmatched. WP7 seems more like a feature phone, it doesn't tell you 'I'm smart.'

I mostly agree
I don't think the problem with android is really the fact that more than one company is involved in developing phones for android. The problem is that those companies, (OEMs & carriers) have been given way to much freedom to decide not only what processor & RAM the phone would have but to put their "stamp" on android. I think the blame for that partially falls on Google for not putting a stop to OEMs & carriers putting their bloatware on phones. Google has been asked multiple times to do something about the "fragmentation" issue & they've refused, so ultimately they are partly responsible for the "mess" android has become.

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I don't think the problem with android is really the fact that more than one company is involved in developing phones for android. The problem is that those companies, (OEMs & carriers) have been given way to much freedom to decide not only what processor & RAM the phone would have but to put their "stamp" on android. I think the blame for that partially falls on Google for not putting a stop to OEMs & carriers putting their bloatware on phones. Google has been asked multiple times to do something about the "fragmentation" issue & they've refused, so ultimately they are partly responsible for the "mess" android has become.
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Well, carrier "bloat" --I put that in quotes because the current three major skins bring much needed features to Android (whether or not the execution is done well or not is a different argument)-- isn't quite what's killing it, it's the time spent optimizing the hardware for Android.
Android gets slapped on as many devices as possible and then sold as a low end affordable smartphone, and that's the issue, but that's the essence of Android at the same time.

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Excellent post. Would read again.
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+1 Outstanding post. Completely agree.

microsoft is flexing some muscle to cripple the competition!

We all know Microsoft is on a roll to make patent licensing agreements with Android OEMs. Since last week, Microsoft have announced 4 such deals without disclosing the amount of royalty involved. Today Reuters that Microsoft is demanding about $15 per Android device from Samsung, one of the largest android OEM in the world. Microsoft is also ready to lower the royalty amount if Samsung agrees with some deeper alliance related to Windows Phone smartphone making. Microsoft signed similar deal with HTC last year, Will Samsung also join the fray soon? I hope Samsung agrees with Microsoft on the later deal of less royalty amount for Android devices and more Windows Phone smartphones. Also analysts predict Samsung to ship about 19 million smartphones this quarter, if the deal is done Microsoft will get about $1 Billion IP licensing revenue from Samsung alone in a year...
Now that is a beautiful puzzle, they've already released the most user friendly and in my opinion best is on the market and now they're putting a squeeze on the big name android OEMs to eliminate some of the competition. I love this, now just throw in some good marketing and well have the trifecta of a perfect operating system.

Leave it to Microsoft to try to take over! Company wars are so much more exciting than politics lol. Can't wait to see how this race produces!

Eh, they want their piece of the pie and if someone was using my tech to make money I would too.

They'll just weigh up the balance between paying a small amount to make a phone that will actually sell running a decent OS, or the costs of developing the minimum number of WP7 handsets to sit unsold in a warehouse while paying a smaller amount to make a phone that will actually sell running a decent OS.
It's a bit like supermarkets and loss leaders, will the loss on WP7 be less than the gain on paying not quite as much to make Android handsets that actually sell.

z33dev33l said:
Eh, they want their piece of the pie and if someone was using my tech to make money I would too.
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What tech did MS actually contribute to Android? Or better asked: What unique tech worthy of a patent did MS come up with? Most of these patents fall into the category where every even remotely seasoned developer can come up with the stuff. Of course we can't know for sure, because MS never actually discloses which patents are involved here. Because they know full well it wouldn't stand up to public scrutiny.
And that's assuming software patents make sense in the first place. Which they don't.

They really don't but hey, I don't make those rules. It doesn't matter who can make it now, it's who created it first.
xaccers, you're fighting a losing battle, I'm just going to sit idly by and watch my OS actually improve rather than pallet swap, man I love being lag free.

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They really don't but hey, I don't make those rules.
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So you just accept the rules, no matter what they are. The abuse of the legal system (attack smaller firms who don't have the resources to fight first in order to create a precedent), the mafia-style protection racket (pay up or else), the obviousness of the patents, the very ridiculousness of even having software patents, all that is ok. Because the rules are the rules, right?
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man I love being lag free.
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So do I dude, so do I. Though I must say, that is some very, very narrow criteria for choosing an entire operating system.

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So you just accept the rules, no matter what they are. The abuse of the legal system (attack smaller firms who don't have the resources to fight first in order to create a precedent), the mafia-style protection racket, the obviousness of the patents, the very ridiculousness of even having software patents, all that is ok. Because the rules are the rules, right?
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In cases where I think the rules are not too far fetched. I mean hell, if they did it first they have a right. As far as google not having the resources that's their own fault, iOS just did it first because they run their company with force rather than being laid back and just stealing info
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So do I dude, so do I. Though I must say, that is some very, very narrow criteria for choosing an entire operating system.
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Not at all but it certainly helps, I like having a phone that does everything I want without having to install any apps at all and without having to flash a new rom every 2-3 days. I love xbox live, I love a well implemented office, I love the keyboard, I love that the DVP despite it's weak processor is the most impressive piece of hardware out there for mobile devices, I like the hubs, I like zune, there's just nothing wrong with all of it. It is not flawless, but it's as close as a mobile OS comes.

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In cases where I think the rules are not too far fetched.
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You can't honestly believe that they aren't far fetched in this case.
Do you know why patents were created for? And what they're used for in reality nowadays? And in particular the nature of software patents? If you really believe what you just wrote, the clear answer to those questions is "no".
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if they did it first they have a right
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But what exactly is it that they did first? It's like I said, trivial things that any seasoned developer can come up with. Being the first to wrap it up in tons of legalese to be granted a patent on it is not an admirable achievement. Patents only make sense for things that are unique, where it took a lot of effort to come up with something new.
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As far as google not having the resources that's their own fault
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That's just the thing, MS *didn't* attack Google. They attacked small companies releasing Android products. HTC was the biggest and now Samsung is even bigger. But they're taking on Samsung only after the precedent was set with the smaller companies. That's abuse of the legal system.
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Not at all but it certainly helps, I like having a phone that does everything I want without having to install any apps at all and without having to flash a new rom every 2-3 days.
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Wow, hyperbole much? I have all that on Android. And I'm not flashing every two days. That I choose to replace some apps with other ones was just that - my choice. Choice is good. It means competition. It means people vying to create the best music player, the best video player, the best... well, you get the picture.
And what do you know, I have the lag-free interface too.

I guess if your product can't compete on its own merits, this is one way to go about it.

GnatGoSplat said:
I guess if your product can't compete on its own merits, this is one way to go about it.
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If more of the community was more intelligent then Microsoft would have no issues, sadly it's not the case. No one does their research or looks into a phone before buying it. The majority of sales reps have never even used a windows phone 7 thanks to the plague that was winmo.

z33dev33l said:
If more of the community was more intelligent then Microsoft would have no issues, sadly it's not the case. No one does their research or looks into a phone before buying it. The majority of sales reps have never even used a windows phone 7 thanks to the plague that was winmo.
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I know a lot of WP7 enthusiasts and blogs like to blame the sales reps, but I don't think sales reps are solely responsible for the 36% market gap.
I do have an HTC Surround I've been playing with, and you're right, it has no lag, but I honestly haven't seen anything that would make me choose it over iOS or Android. Probably the only thing I would miss is the cool XBox Live avatar guy I made.

GnatGoSplat said:
I know a lot of WP7 enthusiasts and blogs like to blame the sales reps, but I don't think sales reps are solely responsible for the 36% market gap.
I do have an HTC Surround I've been playing with, and you're right, it has no lag, but I honestly haven't seen anything that would make me choose it over iOS or Android. Probably the only thing I would miss is the cool XBox Live avatar guy I made.
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I guess it's to each their own. I like functionality, a smooth UI, and hardware selection. The office and xbox programs on mango are great, overall I think the only reason I ever enjoyed android was because I got to spend so much time screwing around.

z33dev33l said:
I guess it's to each their own. I like functionality, a smooth UI, and hardware selection. The office and xbox programs on mango are great, overall I think the only reason I ever enjoyed android was because I got to spend so much time screwing around.
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Don't underestimate how much people like to screw around. I think that's the whole reason XDA exists in the first place.

A lot of people are surprised Microsoft is doing this, but truth be told this is nothing new. Intel licenses out their instruction sets such as sse2, sse3, 3D Now! to Amd, nvidia, and Via. Companies do this all the time.

I wanted to like Microsoft, because hey, that's where all my stuff is (I'm an MS developer by trade as well). BUT, they fell short. Waaay short. Navigation, Voice commands, multitasking, the list was endless.
I have a few XBoxes and almost everything in my house is Windows based, but the phone won't sell me until I can firmly say: "I miss nothing on Android that I use every day."

[Opinion] Android a Fragmented, Differentiated, and Misrepresented Platform - P2

Removed the OP in protest due to the abusive I endured by some XDA members. In spite of reporting them to the moderates of the forums in question and my views were shared with more members than the abusers one of my threads was closed instead.
To those truly care about technology and its surrounding matters, please accept my sincere apologies for this inconvenience. I will no longer be part of the XDA community. Thank you.

Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
CSharpHeaven said:
Part 2
Applications & Games
The very exaggerated figure (over 400,000) by Google is only to generate market hypes and to give an impression how popular the Android platform is.
The truth is Google has used hundreds of thousands of hopeful individuals with prospect of success to submit anything to fight back Apple's App Store, only in terms of numbers that is. The chance to success, financially, on Google's Play Store is only very small for established vendors and even smaller for individuals when the competition exceeds by vast numbers. Think of the odds in lottery to come to the same conclusion.
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You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.

Spell checker?
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nejc121 said:
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
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I'm glad you are not the only XDA member that can read.

what boggles me is that android is the first os that has gotten my trust, for better or for worse. as strange as it may sound, i like updates, i am happy when notifications drop in and i certainly read the changelogs and see what's new. no other OS has ever been able to do that to me. i am using windows at work, macosx at home and linux for website-server stuff. some of these systems are here for decades, and yet they have never really taken care of my needs. i have no trust in them and never had, i click away update nagscreens whenever i see them, i hate when firefox bugs me with it, i dont trust any application, i know they put their dump onto my harddrives, mess it all up from inside, they have brought their own installation/deinstallation scripts and deamons for updates that clog my ram and suck my bandwidth, they are unsigned and unsafe, they spam my screen with popups, i do not know what permissions they require and what api's they call - they do whatever the hell they want. i use them because i have to.
yes, android has kinks and problems, but this is the cleanest OS, from a users standpoint, i have seen and used. my technical background may be lacking but this was my first impression. and because of that i can deal with buggy apps just fine, i either tollerate it or uninstall and search for something works on the market. and for some crazy reason i enjoy it, although i hated it on pc/mac/linux. so in this regard i think the app-market is doing great. it is true of course that the quality from app to app varies alot, but many do have high standards and work flawlessly. i for one think it is good that the android market does not have severe restrictions, because updates can get pushed when a defect is found. you have the opposite on apple and i did read reports that state their apps generally crash more often, which makes absolute sense because each update must go through an odyssey of admittance. bugs itself will always happen, every programmer knows that, but the android market has made sure that we do not suffer from them as much as on other systems. the underbelly of android with its signing-mechanisms, permission-transparency, packet-installer, subtle notifications, etc., all this works for me and im using my desktop less and less for a reason.

molesarecoming said:
what boggles me is that android is the first os that has gotten my trust, for better or for worse. as strange as it may sound, i like updates, i am happy when notifications drop in and i certainly read the changelogs and see what's new. no other OS has ever been able to do that to me. i am using windows at work, macosx at home and linux for website stuff. some of these systems are here for decades, and yet they have never really taken care of my needs. i have no trust in them and never had, i click away update nagscreens whenever i see them, i hate when firefox bugs me with it, i dont trust any application, i know they put their dump into my systems, mess it up from inside, they have brought their own installation/deinstallation scripts and deamons for updates that clog my ram and suck my bandwidth, they are unsigned and unsafe, they spam my screen with popups, i do not know what permissions they require and what api's they call - they do whatever they want. i use them because i have to.
yes, android has kinks and problems, but this is the cleanest OS, from a users standpoint, i have seen and used. my technical background may be lacking but this is the first impression. and because of that i can deal with buggy apps just fine, i either tollerate it or uninstall and search for something works on the market. and for some crazy reason i enjoy it, although i hated it on pc/mac/linux. so in this regard i think the app-market is doing great. it is true of course that the quality of the apps varies alot, but many do have high standards and work flawlessly. i for one think it is good that the android market does not have severe restrictions, because updates can get pushed when a defect is found. you have the opposite on apple and i did read reports that state their apps generally crash more often, which makes absolute sense because each update must go through an odyssey of admittance. bugs itself will always happen, every programmer knows that, but the android market has made sure that we do not suffer from them as much as on other systems.
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Thank you for your inputs. I would like to clarify a couple of things, if you don't mind.
I have never made a comment about the Google Play Store's update process that updates the downloaded applications. Since you did, I do agree with you regarding the advantages you rightly addressed. What I might not agree with you is the trust where my credit card details can be added to the profile Google creates for all the citizens.
My point, that you responded to, was about the inability Android OS has to update itself the way, for example, Microsoft Windows or Apple's iOS can. Also the only thing Android can update on any Android handsets is the Google Play Store app. I found this very unfair when thousands of users, behalf the rest, were campaigning to push their respective manufacturers to release the next version of Android. During such campaign I fell ill from the distress. I cannot recall going through such similar experience in my 20+ in I.T. Believe me, being a software developer I can tolerate high mental pressures but that experience was something else. I don't wish anyone else go through the same experience ever and they shouldn't really.
I've been writing this article with the consideration of the bigger issues. I cannot conclude Android is a good platform based on a small technical convenience when I have vivid visions on what Google is doing with Android and beyond the mobile space.
If my ID suggests I must be a Microsoft's fan then allow me to say to the readers that I have only two Android phones which I use one of them to write my article and this response. Also I use an Android phone as my primary device, using up to three 1930mAh batteries a day. No, I don't watch movies on my phones but listen to music from time to time.

nejc121 said:
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
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His name leads me to believe Microsoft Fanboi - C# is a Microsoft language very similar to java - but has enough similarities to be it's own language.
edit - you posted at a similar time to me.
I will read this from now on, but probably won't comment. I enjoy hearing what ppl have to say.

i have to use c# daily in my job, its great, my favourite until now. did you know that google once played with the thought to make it androids base language? read it somewhere. must be a myth though.
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CSharpHeaven said:
I found this very unfair when thousands of users, behalf the rest, were campaigning to push their respective manufacturers to release the next version of Android. During such campaign I fell ill from the distress. I cannot recall going through such similar experience in my 20+ in I.T.
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well, i am certainly pissed that my older handset, the s2, caught a disease called touchwizz recently instead of the modern operatig system i was hoping for. but falling ill? come on, get another phone, an iphone maybe, or if you still have hopes for android a nexus, and all will be fine. i learned my lesson from this, i'll never, ever buy something that is not directly maintained by google itself. i heard some people really loved touchwiz and samsungs efforts, to each his own. i thing its nice though that you have the choice.

What's your choice, android os or windows phone?

No doubt this year and the one coming have been and will be a giant evolution in smart phones and their operating systems that are embedded in them, but the question is: Jellybean 4.2 or Windows Phone 8 Metro? Why do you like it or not like it as well. Thanks its just a bit of a survey.
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I would suggest Windows phone 8. As everyone knows Android attracts virus and malware. It is too laggy and stuff.
Windows phone OS is something new and awesome in design. It is not as laggy as Android. Not many security issues.
If you need to buy a Windows phone 8, Nokia Lumia 920 is my choice. No Android!
http://winappleworld.com/top-windows-phone-8-features-you-should-know/ - Have a look

Windows Phone 8.
I too am eyeing it. But cant decide 8S or 820.
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Android - without question. I have zero interest in using anything that comes from Microsoft. Pretty much their whole product portfolio is driven by: Oh ****, someone made something that's successful and we are missing the bandwagon? Quick, let's throw a massive amount of money at building a knock-off that looks like the original thing but clearly shows that we haven't understood what put the magic into it.

onyxbits said:
Android - without question. I have zero interest in using anything that comes from Microsoft. Pretty much their whole product portfolio is driven by: Oh ****, someone made something that's successful and we are missing the bandwagon? Quick, let's throw a massive amount of money at building a knock-off that looks like the original thing but clearly shows that we haven't understood what put the magic into it.
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Totally wrong. In what way does a WP8 look like Android? In fact, Android looks like Apple's ugly twin.
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Windows 8 something new.
I haven't tried Windows 8 phone nor have I tried a Windows 7 phone. Android seems good to me this far though, only reason I would go for a Windows 8 phone is just to try something new, that's about it...I know pretty dumb reason . I just like trying different things, though I would obviously do some research on it first; though Windows 8 is suppose to be stable, but not sure how big there App store is, I heard its pretty small at the moment.

It seems to me for Windows 8 big future, after all it is a universal platform for PC
It seems to me for Windows 8 big future, after all it is a universal platform for PC and phones

winappleworld said:
As everyone knows Android attracts virus and malware. It is too laggy and stuff.
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For the most part that is categorically untrue, viruses are practically non-existent due to the fact that Android is Linux based. It has non-infectious malware yes but only if you have no common sense and can't use a ratings system in a very basic way. That is a slight drawback of an almost completely open app market where a corporation cannot generally control things by banning stuff whenever it likes.
As for laggy, again simply not true. There just happens to be more of a range of devices from low end to very fast high end.

makeyourself said:
For the most part that is categorically untrue, viruses are practically non-existent due to the fact that Android is Linux based. It has non-infectious malware yes but only if you have no common sense and can't use a ratings system in a very basic way. That is a slight drawback of an almost completely open app market where a corporation cannot generally control things by banning stuff whenever it likes.
As for laggy, again simply not true. There just happens to be more of a range of devices from low end to very fast high end.
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I agree. Also I'd say that for many Android phones (not all) you can find developers willing to personalize and modify your stock Rom.
This is not possible in a closed OS: you have to accept it like it is.
I have a Huawei Shine with the Mod Rom of the user bgcngm and I don't find it laggy.

PROGUERAM said:
Totally wrong. In what way does a WP8 look like Android? In fact, Android looks like Apple's ugly twin.
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I wrote that Microsoft's innovation more or less entirely consists of copying competitors (poorly), not that W8 is a an Android knock-off.
Time for a bigger picture: about 5 years ago, Apple came up with the IPhone. Up until then, most mobile phones had a number keyboard, a tiny screen and allowed you to customize them with wallpapers and ringtones (at a ridiculous cost). Apple changed that. Suddenly, you had a large touchscreen, the ability to run apps and with that also the ability to use your phone for more than making the carriers money.
Microsofts reaction to that (google "blamer laughs at iphone"): $500 for a phone? Lol! The iphone became a success. Microsofts reaction to that: shock and awe. W7 had to be released in a hurry. If you were stupid enough to buy a W7 phone... well... sucks. You have no upgrade plan.
Speaking of W7. Its UI is based on the Zune. Zune what was that again? Oh right, Microsofts shock and awe reaction to Apple's Ipod. Hello WMA, hello DRM, I always wanted a file format that allows me to do less.
Let's go back a few more years. Back then, around 1993, Bill Gates was asked about the internet and in his opinion, it was merely a hype, windows fileshares were the future. Two years later, win95 shipped without a browser and without installing TCP/IP. Netscape became the darling of the new economy and Microsoft became pretty jealous. The browserwars started and for years to come, we had to deal with the IE (aka Infection Engine).
Let's go back a few more years even. Microsoft in it's first years. Bill Gates vision of an Operation System literally looked like this:
C:\>
Apple came along and their vision actually looked like something (namely: a desktop). Microsofts reaction to that... well ... the win 3.x product line, aka the "colorful clownsuit for DOS". Something that never knew if it wanted to be an operating system or a GUI on top of an operating system. Hence it was both and neither at the same time, ridiculous to use and crashed whenever it had the chance to.
So, what else do we have? Oh yes, Surface, the "tablet" that does not really know if it wants to be a tablet or an ultrabook and hence tries to be both for the sole reason of microsoft again being in shock and awe and afraid of a competitor establishing an industry standard for Office on the tablet market, that is not MS office.
To summarize my point: None of Microsoft's major products is an innovation of their own. It's all "me too", usually inferior and generally only successful because MS has the leverage to swamp out their competition.
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Dnpech said:
It seems to me for Windows 8 big future, after all it is a universal platform for PC and phones
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So ... you are interested in the universal tow coupling for caravans, truck trailers and railway carriage? Win8 is a complete and utter failure as it makes you constantly switch between a UI optimized for touchscreens and a UI that is optimized for mouse/keyboard. Yes, it's universal, but that doesn't make it usable.

onyxbits said:
I never wrote that Microsoft's innovation more or less entirely consists of copying competitors (poorly), not that W8 is a an Android knock-off.
Time for a bigger picture: about 5 years ago, Apple came up with the IPhone. Up until then, most mobile phones had a number keyboard, a tiny screen and allowed you to customize them with wallpapers and ringtones (at a ridiculous cost). Apple changed that. Suddenly, you had a large touchscreen, the ability to run apps and with that also the ability to use your phone for more than making the carriers money.
Microsofts reaction to that (google "blamer laughs at iphone"): $500 for a phone? Lol! The iphone became a success. Microsofts reaction to that: shock and awe. W7 had to be released in a hurry. If you were stupid enough to buy a W7 phone... well... sucks. You have no upgrade plan.
Speaking of W7. Its UI is based on the Zune. Zune what was that again? Oh right, Microsofts shock and awe reaction to Apple's Ipod. Hello WMA, hello DRM, I always wanted a file format that allows me to do less.
Let's go back a few more years. Back then, around 1993, Bill Gates was asked about the internet and in his opinion, it was merely a hype, windows fileshares were the future. Two years later, win95 shipped without a browser and without installing TCP/IP. Netscape became the darling of the new economy and Microsoft became pretty jealous. The browserwars started and for years to come, we had to deal with the IE (aka Infection Engine).
Let's go back a few more years even. Microsoft in it's first years. Bill Gates vision of an Operation System literally looked like this:
C:\>
Apple came along and their vision actually looked like something (namely: a desktop). Microsofts reaction to that... well ... the win 3.x product, aka the "colorful clownsuit for DOS". Something that never knew if it wanted to be an operating system or a GUI on top of an operating system. Hence it was both and neither at the same time, ridiculous to use and crashed whenever it had the chance to.
So, what else do we have? Oh yes, Surface, the "tablet" that does not really know if it wants to be a tablet or an ultrabook and hence tries to be both for the sole reason of microsoft again being in shock and awe and afraid of a competitor establishing an industry standard for Office on the tablet market, that is not MS office.
To summarize my point: None of Microsoft's major products is an innovation of their own. It's all "me too", usually inferior and generally only successful because MS has the leverage to swamp out their competition.
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So ... you are interested in the universal tow coupling for caravans, truck trailers and railway carriage? Win8 is a complete and utter failure as it makes you constantly switch between a UI optimized for touchscreens and a UI that is optimized for mouse/keyboard. Yes, it's universal, but that doesn't make it usable.
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Whoa! Never thought of that. I have to agree. If u don't mind, can u tell me what u think of Android? I would love to hear.
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Windows phone is a very nice os, which doesn't get a boring as ios quite so quickly. The whole fluidity of the os is a joy to use, but it lacks most of my favourite apps. Even Android lacks a few of the greatest ios apps but not many. Been running a note 2 for a few weeks now. Absolutely no lag anywhere on Android. So much customisation, apps have improved so much now almost on par with ios. The other thing with windows phone, im not sure I like the big word styling everywhere. If you like the styling, don't care much about apps and not into customisation and freedom to adjust everything on your device. Go for windows phone. With Android you have a better choice of apps. Can change the styling to suit. Can be as fluid and lag free especially with jelly bean and the latest devices.
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Android
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Hold on a minute. This is all wrong. WM devices have been around way before iPhones existed. In fact, this website blew up because of people wanting to mod their WM phones. I was on XDA modding my WM5 and WM6 phones as early as 2005, if I recall correctly. The last one I had, HTC Titan II, had a decent touchscreen and lots of functionality, ran apps, networking capability, etc. Back then, you had Symbian, Blackberry, or Windows Mobile. The year after was right around the time when touchscreen keyboards were starting to become popular for smartphones - maybe end of 2006. I still had my friends laughing at me for having a giant phone. The iPhone came out the following year, and soon enough everyone had a giant phone. Although Apple destroyed the market with style and functionality, the iPhone was *not* the first smartphone. Not even close. They just, as usual, set a precedent for an extremely well-designed device. There were loads of well-functioning and popular touchscreen smartphones prior to the iPhone, with WiFi, GPS, and a touchscreen.
Fast forward 7 years and I still have an HTC phone, but with Android. HTC have been making great devices since before the iPhone. I'm sure Windows Mobile would not be an upgrade for me at this point. However, for my productivity in 2006, it was outstanding and absolutely critical. It was not pretty, it was functional - and it definitely paved some of the way for IOS and Android. I wish people would stop giving Apple more credit than they deserve. I'm not disputing your Microsoft facts - MS is truly ridiculous and fail miserably at designing products for consumers. But there were plenty of good smartphones before the iPhone, which is why this site exists in the first place.
Android, to be sure.
onyxbits said:
I never wrote that Microsoft's innovation more or less entirely consists of copying competitors (poorly), not that W8 is a an Android knock-off.
Time for a bigger picture: about 5 years ago, Apple came up with the IPhone. Up until then, most mobile phones had a number keyboard, a tiny screen and allowed you to customize them with wallpapers and ringtones (at a ridiculous cost). Apple changed that. Suddenly, you had a large touchscreen, the ability to run apps and with that also the ability to use your phone for more than making the carriers money.
Microsofts reaction to that (google "blamer laughs at iphone"): $500 for a phone? Lol! The iphone became a success. Microsofts reaction to that: shock and awe. W7 had to be released in a hurry. If you were stupid enough to buy a W7 phone... well... sucks. You have no upgrade plan.
Speaking of W7. Its UI is based on the Zune. Zune what was that again? Oh right, Microsofts shock and awe reaction to Apple's Ipod. Hello WMA, hello DRM, I always wanted a file format that allows me to do less.
Let's go back a few more years. Back then, around 1993, Bill Gates was asked about the internet and in his opinion, it was merely a hype, windows fileshares were the future. Two years later, win95 shipped without a browser and without installing TCP/IP. Netscape became the darling of the new economy and Microsoft became pretty jealous. The browserwars started and for years to come, we had to deal with the IE (aka Infection Engine).
Let's go back a few more years even. Microsoft in it's first years. Bill Gates vision of an Operation System literally looked like this:
C:\>
Apple came along and their vision actually looked like something (namely: a desktop). Microsofts reaction to that... well ... the win 3.x product, aka the "colorful clownsuit for DOS". Something that never knew if it wanted to be an operating system or a GUI on top of an operating system. Hence it was both and neither at the same time, ridiculous to use and crashed whenever it had the chance to.
So, what else do we have? Oh yes, Surface, the "tablet" that does not really know if it wants to be a tablet or an ultrabook and hence tries to be both for the sole reason of microsoft again being in shock and awe and afraid of a competitor establishing an industry standard for Office on the tablet market, that is not MS office.
To summarize my point: None of Microsoft's major products is an innovation of their own. It's all "me too", usually inferior and generally only successful because MS has the leverage to swamp out their competition.
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So ... you are interested in the universal tow coupling for caravans, truck trailers and railway carriage? Win8 is a complete and utter failure as it makes you constantly switch between a UI optimized for touchscreens and a UI that is optimized for mouse/keyboard. Yes, it's universal, but that doesn't make it usable.
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WP or Android
Windows Phone 7 sucks just because of 2 elementary features: Bluetooth File Transfer and Mass Storage, I think it's a marketing gimmick, everybody is just interested what new will next OS version bring, then BOOM Windows Phone 8, resizable tiles, bluetooth transfer, mass storage, WOW do you heard that new lumia has BLUETOOTH TRANSFER? NO WAY, I MUST BUY IT, that's just what I was missing in my old lumia.
One thing I like in WP is simplicity and quality. WP is always the same, Android is modified by phone manufacturers and I can find bugs even in official firmware - it does not occur in Windows Phone.
But in the end, I choose Android - I like the fact that there is so much to rummage :laugh:

Both are boring maybe salfish or bb10..., oh ! wait firefox os is in the cards too
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onyxbits said:
I never wrote that Microsoft's innovation more or less entirely consists of copying competitors (poorly), not that W8 is a an Android knock-off.
Time for a bigger picture: about 5 years ago, Apple came up with the IPhone. Up until then, most mobile phones had a number keyboard, a tiny screen and allowed you to customize them with wallpapers and ringtones (at a ridiculous cost). Apple changed that. Suddenly, you had a large touchscreen, the ability to run apps and with that also the ability to use your phone for more than making the carriers money.
Microsofts reaction to that (google "blamer laughs at iphone"): $500 for a phone? Lol! The iphone became a success. Microsofts reaction to that: shock and awe. W7 had to be released in a hurry. If you were stupid enough to buy a W7 phone... well... sucks. You have no upgrade plan.
Speaking of W7. Its UI is based on the Zune. Zune what was that again? Oh right, Microsofts shock and awe reaction to Apple's Ipod. Hello WMA, hello DRM, I always wanted a file format that allows me to do less.
Let's go back a few more years. Back then, around 1993, Bill Gates was asked about the internet and in his opinion, it was merely a hype, windows fileshares were the future. Two years later, win95 shipped without a browser and without installing TCP/IP. Netscape became the darling of the new economy and Microsoft became pretty jealous. The browserwars started and for years to come, we had to deal with the IE (aka Infection Engine).
Let's go back a few more years even. Microsoft in it's first years. Bill Gates vision of an Operation System literally looked like this:
C:\>
Apple came along and their vision actually looked like something (namely: a desktop). Microsofts reaction to that... well ... the win 3.x product, aka the "colorful clownsuit for DOS". Something that never knew if it wanted to be an operating system or a GUI on top of an operating system. Hence it was both and neither at the same time, ridiculous to use and crashed whenever it had the chance to.
So, what else do we have? Oh yes, Surface, the "tablet" that does not really know if it wants to be a tablet or an ultrabook and hence tries to be both for the sole reason of microsoft again being in shock and awe and afraid of a competitor establishing an industry standard for Office on the tablet market, that is not MS office.
To summarize my point: None of Microsoft's major products is an innovation of their own. It's all "me too", usually inferior and generally only successful because MS has the leverage to swamp out their competition.
---------- Post added at 12:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:07 AM ----------
So ... you are interested in the universal tow coupling for caravans, truck trailers and railway carriage? Win8 is a complete and utter failure as it makes you constantly switch between a UI optimized for touchscreens and a UI that is optimized for mouse/keyboard. Yes, it's universal, but that doesn't make it usable.
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Wait, but that is all wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0
Video incredibly relevant, apple has never been a source of innovation.

PROGUERAM said:
Whoa! Never thought of that. I have to agree. If u don't mind, can u tell me what u think of Android? I would love to hear.
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I have quite mixed feelings about Android. It is a system created by an advertising company and as such it has huge build-in privacy concerns. You can barely use the platform without tying yourself into the Google ecosystem (just try getting apps without having a Google account) and when you do, you can no longer stay anonymous. Use android to its fullest and you will give them your Name, credit card number, birthday, location, contacts, phonenumber and communication. In short: the wet dreams of an advertiser come through -> Total customer awareness and their privacy policy states pretty much that they are free to use that information in any way they like to.
To make matters worse, that data is also of interest to governments worldwide and since 9/11 we see constant attempts of legislators to push for laws to allow them to spy on their citizens (you may want to google "STASI" to get an idea of why it is a BAD idea to give governments the power to spy on their citizens).
Another thing, I thoroughly dislike on Android is the permission system. It's simply broken by design. Most users don't understand what most permissions encompass and you can't selectively deny them.
Then there is the problem that Google doesn't seem to have the balls to step up to carriers and make Android rooted by default. Ideally, you should own what you pay for, practically, you need root to install things like firewalls which are common sense on the PC, but for some reason not on a phone where the whole ecosystem pretty much demands it.
Last but not least, I have pretty much come to hate the screen on most devices. I never liked 16:9, I prefer 4:3 and as a developer, supporting a gazillion of different resolutions is a nightmare. I just published Pocket Bandit and getting the artwork to scale right was hell.

Android over Windows because Google Play has tons more apps and games than Windows 8 Appstore does, and Android has better sync options and the whole OS is built on your Google account. Like really... who wants to use Hotmail or Bing.

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Whoa! Never thought of that. I have to agree. If u don't mind, can u tell me what u think of Android? I would love to hear. 
 
Sent from my RaZr on MIUI.
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I have quite mixed feelings about Android. It is a system created by an advertising company and as such it has huge build-in privacy concerns. You can barely use the platform without tying yourself into the Google ecosystem (just try getting apps without having a Google account) and when you do, you can no longer stay anonymous. Use android to its fullest and you will give them your Name, credit card number, birthday, location, contacts, phonenumber and communication. In short: the wet dreams of an advertiser come through -> Total customer awareness and their privacy policy states pretty much that they are free to use that information in any way they like to. 
To make matters worse, that data is also of interest to governments worldwide and since 9/11 we see constant attempts of legislators to push for laws to allow them to spy on their citizens (you may want to google "STASI" to get an idea of why it is a BAD idea to give governments the power to spy on their citizens). 
 
Another thing, I thoroughly dislike on Android is the permission system. It's simply broken by design. Most users don't understand what most permissions encompass and you can't selectively deny them. 
 
Then there is the problem that Google doesn't seem to have the balls to step up to carriers and make Android rooted by default. Ideally, you should own what you pay for, practically, you need root to install things like firewalls which are common sense on the PC, but for some reason not on a phone where the whole ecosystem pretty much demands it. 
 
Last but not least, I have pretty much come to hate the screen on most devices. I never liked 16:9, I prefer 4:3 and as a developer, supporting a gazillion of different resolutions is a nightmare. I just published Pocket Bandit and getting the artwork to scale right was hell.
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My god! You are an encyclopedia man...i would love to interact with u more. The facts you spoke are just mind blowing. It is rare that on a public forum, someone baffles u with knowledge of mammoth proportions. Is there a way we can keep in touch on Twitter? Or FB?
And that "It is a system created by an advertising company" comment just cracked me up. I work FOR an advertising firm and believe me it's just funny.
Just one question though, u said "Android does this...Android does that.." but don't ALL operating systems ask for your credit card information to buy apps? Isn't that a norm? How different is purchasing something online than in a real store? Why blame Android? Even WP does that and so does Apple..
Sent from my RaZr on MIUI.

Force Sale: Redmi Note 5 For iPhone-XR Due To Major Security Concerns..

If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
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Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:

Do you really think that the iPhone is better? hehe
Wysłane z mojego Redmi Note 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka

The funny thing is some android users are still concerned about the security and still fails to understand that every android user ( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else) is already ****ed long time ago.
And in this article it was enough to read the first line about what Google will do (Google said it had investigated Egelman's report and taken action on some apps)
The biggest data stealers are investigating a security issue...LMAO
If your daughter got pregnant from her boyfriend, google will know before you, that was one of the little things i read about Google.
I really have many things to say but i feel it's just a waste of time.
No need to worry at all, they already know everything about you, everyone is watched by the satellites, they are controlling everything, so after all those years you started to worry about your privacy? for real?

Just don't use the Internet bro! No Internet = no privacy risk!

I've Grown Up..
Antyhaker said:
Do you really think that the iPhone is better? hehe
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I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.

RaiderWill said:
I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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Bruh, benchmarks doesnt mean nothing, in speed tests the Xperia XZ2 beat the XS with a "less powerful" SD845, and about two weeks ago there was a bug/exploit which let 'hackers' spy you through Facetime, even Apple recognized his error and it's fixed now, but that means that even iPhones are vulnerable, i'm not trying to stopping you to switch to the iPhone but still, not the most secure either.
https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...milar-to-group-facetime-bug-for-eavesdropping

RaiderWill said:
If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:
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This is fine and all, but you realize that you can literally use custom frameworks to completely avoid Google/Mi/Samsung/whatever you're using, right?
Security is a relative term. If you know the right things, nobody can take away your data without your consent.
These kinds of posts only bring out the fact that you're never going to modify the internals of your device, and use it to its full potential.
In that case, you deserve an iPhone. XDA is not for you.

rocker00 said:
The funny thing is some android users are still concerned about the security and still fails to understand that every android user ( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else) is already ****ed long time ago.
And in this article it was enough to read the first line about what Google will do (Google said it had investigated Egelman's report and taken action on some apps)
The biggest data stealers are investigating a security issue...LMAO
If your daughter got pregnant from her boyfriend, google will know before you, that was one of the little things i read about Google.
I really have many things to say but i feel it's just a waste of time.
No need to worry at all, they already know everything about you, everyone is watched by the satellites, they are controlling everything, so after all those years you started to worry about your privacy? for real?
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I don't think Apple is any better, their all american companies.
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RaiderWill said:
I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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You call this device old dude? -,- I normally use a phone at least 2 years or more before I even think of changing and this device is barely 1 year old almost only. I bought my RN5 just 3 months ago for almost 200 Bucks.. lol Cause I don't like the RN6 or 7, Notch looks horrible and Apple Stuff is not allowed to even get into my room. I love Android devices and I'm proud of it. Btw. I don't do any banking stuff on any device, I'm oldschool. I prefer buying stuff with real money and not virtual through devices.
P.S. When you love and adore Apple so much, please kindly let us in peace and leave this forum lol XDA is not for spreading Apple love.

xell75 said:
I don't think Apple is any better, their all american
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That's what i said, Ofc they aren't, or anything else.
rocker00 said:
( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else)
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Some "intelligent" dudes here think that they will be in the safe side by using the custom ROMs cuz MIUI is full of spy, i read that many times here, ofc MIUI is full of spy (not joking) but what is the difference if it's from MIUI or Google?
After using Whatsapp and FB and bla bla and still looking for privacy
And know he's saying he will be in the safe side by using the iOS, the white angels, like i said, this is just a waste of time, happy safe side for all.

RaiderWill said:
If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:
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looool
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/themes/list-favorite-applications-oneplus-5t-t3739134
i like how you now are switching to apple that basically lock you on your crappy phone without any chance to change even your icon pack sorry but this is bs for me

As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon, Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn, you can stilk be f*cked by the hardware backdoors installed there since the manufacturing process
1984 is our reality, because we choose it to be like that for comfort and apathy

alexmason90 said:
Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn,
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I really salute you , i swear i was about to talk about the same thing, the deep & dark web but since the main purpose of this topic to sell his device maybe so i didn't even care to write more, as you said, since you accepted to use all of these things you have to forget about something calls privacy.
Also like the post before you says, A LOCKED DEVICE and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!

Such Anger...
abrahamrhs said:
Bruh, benchmarks doesnt mean nothing and about two weeks ago there was a bug/exploit which let 'hackers' spy you through Facetime
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"Benchmarks Don't Mean Nothin"
Really?
Then... why does every website that researches performance use them.. :victory:
id74em8 said:
This is fine and all, but you realize that you can literally use custom frameworks to completely avoid Google/Mi/Samsung/whatever you're using, right?
Security is a relative term. If you know the right things, nobody can take away your data without your consent.
These kinds of posts only bring out the fact that you're never going to modify the internals of your device, and use it to its full potential.
In that case, you deserve an iPhone. XDA is not for you.
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Do You See How Many Comments & Thanks I Have?
Do You Think This Is My 1st Redeo?
Why in the world would I "Avoid" Using any of the OS's you've mentioned??
Some Devices Are "Safer" Than Others..... And Fact Is.... The Note 5 is quite frankly old news in 2019.. I Modified It.. Back In It's Day.. The Custom ROM's Were ALL Buggy To Some Degree..
I Went Rooted-Stock.. and never looked back.. 100% Stability.. Best Battery Life... And 50+ Killer "FREE" Themes To Boot.. ( Not Bad Xiaomi ) It's just 2 Generations Old.. and the landscape has changed dramatically since the Note 5's Hay Day..:victory:
xell75 said:
I don't think Apple is any better, their all american companies.
You call this device old dude? -,- I normally use a phone at least 2 years or more before I even think of changing and this device is barely 1 year old almost only. I bought my RN5 just 3 months ago for almost 200 Bucks.. lol Cause I don't like the RN6 or 7, Notch looks horrible and Apple Stuff is not allowed to even get into my room. I love Android devices and I'm proud of it. Btw. .
P.S. When you love and adore Apple so much, please kindly let us in peace and leave this forum lol XDA is not for spreading Apple love.
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You're Entitled To Your Opion..
And... You JUST BOUGHT your device.. So, it seems new to "YOU" I get that... enjoy it!
Understand Something..
I Don't "Adore Apple"
They Simply Have Superior Control overall by controlling the Hardware & the Software..
Any System In Cyberspace Can Be Hacked.. SSL's get cracked all the time..
But.. Android is CHAOS... With Fragmentation EVERYWHERE
Anyone's Hand Can Dip In The Pie... And That's Why There Are So Many Germs In Android. :victory:
rocker00 said:
After using Whatsapp and FB and bla bla and still looking for privacy
And know he's saying he will be in the safe side by using the iOS
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Your English Leaves A LOT To Be Desired..
And... What Gave You The Impression I Use Whatsapp & Facebook... Or Any Other "Social Media" Outlet?? That There Is Funny! :victory:
Rush-er said:
looool
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/themes/list-favorite-applications-oneplus-5t-t3739134
i like how you now are switching to apple that basically lock you on your crappy phone without any chance to change even your icon pack sorry but this is bs for me
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Good Thing You're Not Switching Huh? :victory:
alexmason90 said:
As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon,
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Uh...... Ok.
Because.... "YOUR OPINION" Is Of Course.. *The Final Word* :victory:
rocker00 said:
i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!
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Hmmmm....
Let's see...
A Device That is now 2 Generations Old..... That's Worth $100.00 USD... And "He" who *THINKS HE WILL BE SAFE* and is about to drop $1,000.00 USD on his next device.. ( Thanks To Hard Work And Saving ) needs to plead with the community to purchase a 2017 phone...
Yeah.... Poor Me. :victory:

alexmason90 said:
As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon, Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn, you can stilk be f*cked by the hardware backdoors installed there since the manufacturing process
1984 is our reality, because we choose it to be like that for comfort and apathy
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Sorry for the off topic post but...
Kravchenko, Dragovich, Steiner... THESE MEN MUST DIE!
also,
do you have anything the confirms the bold part? AFAIK, tor was made by US Navy, that doesn't mean its not a secure protocol. (which you seem to be implying, by saying thar it's made by CIA)

Don't worry, i can feel your temp while you're typing, instead of giving just one simple clear answer regarding any post here, you're just talk about my English :laugh: and since the temp was that high you even failed to quote the full post, you divided it and just focused on the part which made your temp is high like that (i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!)....pitiful!
See dude...or MR rich man, this's XDA, nothing for Apple, we don't need these topics here, and XDA isn't for selling as one of the rules here is:
7. Do not sell or trade on the forums.
If you wish to advertise a product, simply contact us. We can provide ads but you are not permitted to just post it in the forums. If you do, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
The buying, selling, trading and / or exchanging of any item is now prohibited on XDA, in any forum or via Private Messages.
If you want to sell your device there's no need for this propaganda, a new thread and security major....selling a device is much easier than that
So, thread against the rules, and the contains can easily tells that you don't know anything regarding what's going around you...privacy? :laugh:
Just for reminding:
RaiderWill said:
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
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RaiderWill said:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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RaiderWill said:
A Device That is now 2 Generations Old..... That's Worth $100.00 USD... And "He" who *THINKS HE WILL BE SAFE* and is about to drop $1,000.00 USD on his next device.. ( Thanks To Hard Work And Saving ) needs to plead with the community to purchase a 2017 phone...
Yeah.... Poor Me. :victory:
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I'm Sorry What? Are You Trying To Say ???
rocker00 said:
Don't worry, i can feel your temp while you're typing, instead of giving just one simple clear answer regarding any post here, you're just talk about my English :laugh: and since the temp was that high just focused on the part which made your temp is high like that (i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!)....pitiful!
See dude...or MR rich man, this's XDA
If you wish to advertise a product, simply contact us. We can provide ads but you are not permitted to just post it in the forums. If you do, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
The buying, selling, trading and / or exchanging of any item is now prohibited on XDA, in any forum or via Private Messages.
If you want to sell your device there's no need for this propaganda,
So, can easily tells that you don't know anything regarding what's going around you...privacy? :laugh:
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I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
Anyway Back On Topic..
Just The Facts... This Article Pretty Much Sums It Up Succinctly:
Here’s a look at the Android operating system.
Android operating system
Popularity: The Android operating system is hugely popular. This means that developers are constantly building new apps designed to run on the system. That’s good for users ... mostly. The problem comes when hackers create apps designed to infect your mobile devices. There is an app review process for Google Play. Unfortunately, the process is far less stringent than what developers face when adding apps to Apple’s App Store. It's easier, then, for malicious apps to sneak onto the Google Play store and easier for users to accidentally install one. One of the main issues is that the end user can go into a Android device and enable the installation of software from Unknown Sources. This means that you can install software on the Android device that does not come from the Google PlayStore. The software — or APK, as it’s called — can be downloaded and installed from a website bypassing the Google PlayStore review.
Open source: Android owners can modify the source code of their Android devices. This appeals to users who want the flexibility to change the way their mobile devices run. But it can also make Android devices vulnerable to attacks. When altering their device’s source code, users could accidentally leave an opening for cybercriminals.
Fragmented: Unlike the iOS operating system that only runs on Apple-branded products, the Android operating system runs on mobile devices manufactured by a host of companies. Some companies might provide hardware that is more secure than others. Moreover, the manufacturer of the device can use a custom ROM or base operating system that has software installed that cannot be easily removed or analyzed for malicious intent.
Apple’s iOS
Here’s a look at the Apple’s iOS.
More stringent controls: It’s more difficult for developers to get apps into the App Store. That’s because the review process is more stringent. Because of this, it’s less likely for a malicious app to sneak into Apple’s store.
Less flexibility: Apple doesn’t allow the owners of its devices to modify its iOS operating system or custom ROMs to be loaded on their devices. That makes the system more secure since Apple controls the complete experience. This doesn’t stop some owners from “jailbreaking” their Apple mobile devices, modifying their source code. Jailbreaking opens new capabilities on the devices — such as changing digital-assistant Siri’s voice, for instance. Be careful if you do this: Apple won’t provide support to such devices.
A less tempting target: Because the iOS operating system powers fewer mobile devices, hackers don’t target the system as often. This makes sense: Hackers and cybercriminals can ensure more victims if they focus more of their attacks on the more popular Android operating system.
Does Any Of This Matter? That's For A Particular Android User To Decide..
My job is to continue to enlighten the community.. and help those that may not be as well informed as others..
This Thread Does Just That.
Sorry if the thoght of Android being 2nd fiddle to Apple ... or the thought of the 5 Pro not being a current event device anymore stings so much to so many.. to attack this thread that was simply created in an attempt to enlighten and solicit discussion ..
It NEVER was an "Apple vs Android" cage match..
Moving On..... :victory:

RaiderWill said:
I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
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Something isn't right at all!
Are you sure that you are a normal person?
Do you really think that you're smarter than anyone here by dividing and cutting the posts, like we are all blind!
The rich man were and still talking about Apple and he will pay 1000$ and can't sell his device with 100$, and now in his signature the RN7 is the real deal!!!!
What's going on here? Maybe there's a secret model only for your country calls RN7 iOS Zimbabwe edition?
The rich man who don't sell his device and at the same time he's trying to sell his device here and after he was about to pay 1000$ now he don't even have about 60_70$ to buy the secret model of the RN7 which is the real real upgrade from the RN5?
Since you looks retarded and clearly something isn't right this will be my last post here.
One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.Bertrand Russell.
Have you ever seen such a beautiful and real quote like that? i think this is the best quote which can describes you and this situation in general

RaiderWill said:
I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
Anyway Back On Topic..
Just The Facts... This Article Pretty Much Sums It Up Succinctly:
Here’s a look at the Android operating system.
Android operating system
Popularity: The Android operating system is hugely popular. This means that developers are constantly building new apps designed to run on the system. That’s good for users ... mostly. The problem comes when hackers create apps designed to infect your mobile devices. There is an app review process for Google Play. Unfortunately, the process is far less stringent than what developers face when adding apps to Apple’s App Store. It's easier, then, for malicious apps to sneak onto the Google Play store and easier for users to accidentally install one. One of the main issues is that the end user can go into a Android device and enable the installation of software from Unknown Sources. This means that you can install software on the Android device that does not come from the Google PlayStore. The software — or APK, as it’s called — can be downloaded and installed from a website bypassing the Google PlayStore review.
Open source: Android owners can modify the source code of their Android devices. This appeals to users who want the flexibility to change the way their mobile devices run. But it can also make Android devices vulnerable to attacks. When altering their device’s source code, users could accidentally leave an opening for cybercriminals.
Fragmented: Unlike the iOS operating system that only runs on Apple-branded products, the Android operating system runs on mobile devices manufactured by a host of companies. Some companies might provide hardware that is more secure than others. Moreover, the manufacturer of the device can use a custom ROM or base operating system that has software installed that cannot be easily removed or analyzed for malicious intent.
Apple’s iOS
Here’s a look at the Apple’s iOS.
More stringent controls: It’s more difficult for developers to get apps into the App Store. That’s because the review process is more stringent. Because of this, it’s less likely for a malicious app to sneak into Apple’s store.
Less flexibility: Apple doesn’t allow the owners of its devices to modify its iOS operating system or custom ROMs to be loaded on their devices. That makes the system more secure since Apple controls the complete experience. This doesn’t stop some owners from “jailbreaking” their Apple mobile devices, modifying their source code. Jailbreaking opens new capabilities on the devices — such as changing digital-assistant Siri’s voice, for instance. Be careful if you do this: Apple won’t provide support to such devices.
A less tempting target: Because the iOS operating system powers fewer mobile devices, hackers don’t target the system as often. This makes sense: Hackers and cybercriminals can ensure more victims if they focus more of their attacks on the more popular Android operating system.
Does Any Of This Matter? That's For A Particular Android User To Decide..
My job is to continue to enlighten the community.. and help those that may not be as well informed as others..
This Thread Does Just That.
Sorry if the thoght of Android being 2nd fiddle to Apple ... or the thought of the 5 Pro not being a current event device anymore stings so much to so many.. to attack this thread that was simply created in an attempt to enlighten and solicit discussion ..
It NEVER was an "Apple vs Android" cage match..
Moving On..... :victory:
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I love to use MicroSD Cards and using normal Headphones without adapter and no bluetooth thrash and copying files on my phone without extra bloat software on my PC. All things that are only possible with Android. I don't like super strict systems.

BTW that CNET piece was paid for by Apple

freedom means you can do anything with your stuff :laugh:

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