[Q] MMS, Mango, HTC, AT&T problem? (Solved) - Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Alright ladies and gents I come to you for a bit of help. I have been running 7712 since it's release. I rarely get mms messages but the other day I got one. Problem is I can't seem to open it. I just keep getting "Get media content" message.
I thought about going to AT&T about this but since I am running beta software I know how those people can get.
A few things I have done:
1st: I have no problems with 3g or data (such as internet, streaming, etc)
2nd: Manually set the APN to both of AT&T's options per their website. (No luck)
I have scoured the forums as best I could with it's limited search functionality and best answer I could find was a thread that said to
"Run ADC option to automatically configure Data and MMS settings on reboot." Now I know I can do this via provxml but my problem is I am not certain how the key would look nor the correct way to write it so that provxml will provision correctly. (Any help would be greatly appreciated)
Or is there a HTC version of the samsung tools that will automatically trigger this flag?
Thank you for any help.

I'm thinking it's an AT&T problem, cause last night my phone switched to Edge, eventhough I've always had full bars&3G in my house.
Samsung Focus-Mango

Solved
After a lot more searching this is what needs to be added
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\AutoDataConfig]
"RunADC"=dword:1
"ConfigurationStatus"=dword:0
"Attempt"=dword:0
"MaxAttemptsAllowed"=dword:3
Attached is a pre-built prov deployer for anyone else having MMS issues and this will in fact work.

The attached .XAP file didn't work for me, but editing those entries manually did. Finally have MMS working with my LG Optimus 7 on T-Mobile USA. Thanks

wow it worked on my lg quantum unlocked to tmobile. thanks a bunch

Thanks man!!! That was the solution to my mms problem too! =)

Can someone help me with this PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE??
I think this is what I need to get my MMS working on my AT&T HTC Surround on my t-mobile network.
Everything works except me receiving or sending MMS messages.
Where do I download this file to? I downloaded Mango but I have no idea how to use it.

Your phone needs to be developer-unlocked to install XAP files. There are already a few posts on this forum explaining the different ways to get dev-unlock. ChevronWP7 Unlocker won't work unless you're still on pre-NoDo (build 7004/7008, definitely not on Mango), ChevronWP7 Labs may be available by now, though (if not, then soon).
Once you have dev-unlocked your phone, you can use any XAP deployment tool to install the app. There's an official one that comes with the tool download from create.msdn.com. However, in order to use this particular app (or any app that needs to edit the registry), if you're on Mango you'll need another step for Interop-unlock. Refer to the Development and Hacking sub-forum for info on interop-unlock. If you haven't actually upgraded to Mango yet (phone is on build 7389, 7390, 7392, or 7403) then you can install and run the app without needing anything more than dev-unlock.

Laquox said:
After a lot more searching this is what needs to be added
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\AutoDataConfig]
"RunADC"=dword:1
"ConfigurationStatus"=dword:0
"Attempt"=dword:0
"MaxAttemptsAllowed"=dword:3
Attached is a pre-built prov deployer for anyone else having MMS issues and this will in fact work.
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THX, Works fine!

Laquox said:
After a lot more searching this is what needs to be added
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\AutoDataConfig]
"RunADC"=dword:1
"ConfigurationStatus"=dword:0
"Attempt"=dword:0
"MaxAttemptsAllowed"=dword:3
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thanks so much.

Laquox said:
After a lot more searching this is what needs to be added
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\AutoDataConfig]
"RunADC"=dword:1
"ConfigurationStatus"=dword:0
"Attempt"=dword:0
"MaxAttemptsAllowed"=dword:3
Attached is a pre-built prov deployer for anyone else having MMS issues and this will in fact work.
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Thanks as well. This worked for me.
Can't believe how simple it was to do.

By the way, if you guys have Advanced Config installed, this is just the registry values for "Run ADC" (Auto Data Config) which is an option in ADC. Juuuust thought you might like to know. Thanks @Laquox for providing the values and app anyhow, though!

GoodDayToDie said:
By the way, if you guys have Advanced Config installed, this is just the registry values for "Run ADC" (Auto Data Config) which is an option in ADC. Juuuust thought you might like to know. Thanks @Laquox for providing the values and app anyhow, though!
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I did have advanced config and the checkbox for ADC was checked. However it still didnt work. Doing this did the trick.
Am I doing something wrong with Advanced Config. Should I have cleared and re-checked the box or something?

Well, I think ADC does require rebooting, but otherwise what you did really should just be the same as checking that box. Mind you, some versions of Advanced Config work better than others...

I did everything mentioned in this thread and still nothing worked I have an unlocked samsung focus on straight talk. Any Ideas would be appreciated. Thank you!

evenmetal99 said:
I did everything mentioned in this thread and still nothing worked I have an unlocked samsung focus on straight talk. Any Ideas would be appreciated. Thank you!
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I am with you. I never really had an issue til I started traveling I current have the Clean ROM installed . I love the rom and didnt have any issue til I started moving so I am not really sure what to blame. Any help would be great.

thank you!

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[Q] Anyone solve the Exchange Sync Error 85010013 problem

I have a Touch Pro and have flashed a ROM based on eRice's Kitchen. I get an error when I setup Exchange SYNC of 85010013. It seems to be related to a security check.
It works on the Stock Rom before Flash and after a Flash back to Stock.
An extensive Google search showed that there are multiple people that have this issue but no solution.
Common Symptoms
-WM 6.1
-Exchange 2007
-Strong Security on Exchange server
Some thoughts from threads around the net
-"that the "Device not provisioned" is causing it, and more specifically the Remote Wipe functionality. Assuming that your organisation isn't willing to not implement this on every phone containing business data, a workaround is needed."
- this error comes if the DeviceEncryption.dll and its related registry entries are missing.
- That problem may exist if the developer has removed Enterprise from the ROM. Those modules are needed for the Exchange syncingSome people wrote me an PN that the problem is:
- this error comes if the DeviceEncryption.dll and its related registry entries are missing.
- That problem may exist if the developer has removed Enterprise from the ROM. Those modules are needed for the Exchange syncing
Looking for some ideas.....
I don't know if this might help or not...
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/activesync/exchange_errors.php?sort=Possible_Cause desc
i had this error message from Zone alarm... not from the beginning, but later on difficulties with as (at first fast synchronisation was impossible) it was hard to deinstall it complete (see google....)
Maybe that helps..
Greetz
Boris
Hatemd said:
I don't know if this might help or not...
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/activesync/exchange_errors.php?sort=Possible_Cause desc
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Thanks for the link. For this error 85010013 it does not have any suggestions.
borisku said:
i had this error message from Zone alarm... not from the beginning, but later on difficulties with as (at first fast synchronisation was impossible) it was hard to deinstall it complete (see google....)
Maybe that helps..
Greetz
Boris
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Good thought, but I get the error only with Over the Air Sync to Exchange. I can sync to the PC just fine.
timcreech said:
Good thought, but I get the error only with Over the Air Sync to Exchange. I can sync to the PC just fine.
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Might sound an obvious one but have you tried disabling your proxy server on the GPRS connection?
Or...
Or you are using the wrong settings in 'Connections'. I get that error every time I try to sync after flashing until I change all settings to to MEdiaNet and then yes, remove the proxy option. After that, no more errors! Let me know if that works!
And the 'sync fine with the pc' comment proves that it is not your profile (which is also a possible solution).
Wow... I'm a 'Junior Member'... I feel like I'm naked and everyone's looking at me now...*SLAP*!
Hi Vertigo
How do I remove the Proxy Option?
There are MANY MANY options to do it, and (as senior members require me to do) I'm obligated to tell you to search for RemoveProxy.cab and follow the link below. Enjoy! Glad to help. Hey, and I'm up to post number 5 now! I'm almost a mod!!
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...m=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=remove+proxy.cab&spell=1
....or.....
Go into Start>settings>connections(tab)>connections
Click on "Edit My Proxy" or something along those lines, untick the lower tick box and then cycle your connection if you need to.
Ive ALWAYS had to do this since tmobile(UK)'s proxy kills almost everything....and since im on wnw+ id like to take advantage of it
I solved the same problem on my Trinity by running the patch I found on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=485091
CandleOfThought said:
I solved the same problem on my Trinity by running the patch I found on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=485091
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Thanks CandleOfThought, the patch worked on my EnergyROM

[Q] SPRINT HTC Arrive - Locked Registry

I think they have closed the door on the HTC Arrive T7575 from Sprint with the provxml and HTC Connection Setup Hack. T7575 does not respond well to the standalone provxml installer by xboxmod -- it shows "carrier not found in list".
Yesterday (4/13/2011) the HTC Connection Setup worked with the CustClear.provxml in the Windows Folder.
Today (4/14/2011) the HTC Connection Setup program is different and the hack no longer works.
Is there any other way to gain root access to edit the registry on the T7575's? If someeone has something to try, I'll be happy to report the results, as I've hard reset 3 times in the past 24 hours.
Thanks in advance!
Check out this post for more details of my failed efforts: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12876054&postcount=181
EDIT: thinking a bit, does someone have the xap of the old HTC Connection Setup?!
its attached in this "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=911579" post .
the name is "HD2-WP7 Activation Tools and Guide.7z" , unzip it and sideload it to the phone , but remember to first install the on that is on the phone right now
Thanks! I found EXACTLY what I was trying to do with this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916098
Going to be diving down the other apps as well to be able to write my own registry values -- thanks again!
CopyCounsler said:
Thanks! I found EXACTLY what I was trying to do with this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916098
Going to be diving down the other apps as well to be able to write my own registry values -- thanks again!
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Worthless on Mango on a Verizon Trophy..."Error Modifying registry" when clicking Set Max
WTF....

[Q] Unable to send MMS or mass messages Samsung Focus

Hey,
So I purchased an AT&T Samsung Focus off of eBay, and am using a Rogers SIM in Canada. I've read everything, and I am aware that a lot of people are getting this fixed, however everybody seems to be running NoDo or lower. Unfortunately, I am running the Mango "RTM."
I was able to get 3G working by setting up APN settings, but I can't get MMS to work, nor am I able to send out mass text messages (to more than one person).
Is there any fix for my Mango phone, without downgrading? Thanks!
There are multiple answers to this question on this very forum. Try the search feature please but this usually works for everyone that has mms problems. How to get MMS working on LG, Samsung, and HTC
Laquox said:
There are multiple answers to this question on this very forum. Try the search feature please but this usually works for everyone that has mms problems. How to get MMS working on LG, Samsung, and HTC
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I have already tried this, and requires me to downgrade to something that isn't Mango. Mango doesn't allow the "interop capabilities" library, and as far as I know there isn't any Mango registry editors.
Are you not unlocked? If you are unlocked then all you need do is make the provxml or use the one already made then use the samsung diag thing to run the provision. You can also try this which will show you how to run the provxml file to get the flag set.
Unfortunately, I am only developer unlocked, I should have mentioned that in the original post. My apologies. I want to downgrade back to NoDo, and re-unlock my phone but I don't want to lose my text messages. I'm almost on the edge of doing it, because having a smart phone without MMS is pointless.
Do you know of any way I can keep my text messages, or more specifically the ones from a specific person?
Diablosblizz said:
Unfortunately, I am only developer unlocked
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If you are developer unlocked then this should work. You just need to follow the instructions in that other thread to get the provxml file to your phone. On my original thread download the xap open it with winzip or winrar (or whatever) copy the Custclear.provxml file to a directory of your choice. And then just follow the instructions in that last thread I linked to make your samsung provision properly.
Alternatively you could try this tool which allows you to set the ADC flag so you can get your mms running again. Since you are developer unlocked you should be able to run that tool on your samsung.
You could also try downloading "Network Profile" app from the Marketplace in the Samsung Zone section. And see if that works
Diablosblizz said:
Do you know of any way I can keep my text messages, or more specifically the ones from a specific person?
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To my knowledge this is not possible yet.
I actually managed to figure it out, Samsung has a handy tool in the marketplace that does this all for you. MMS is now working perfectly. I had tried this in the past, but the Samsung marketplace was bugged for me.
So, for anybody on 7720 with a Samsung Focus without MMS working download the app called "Network Profile" under the Samsung Zone in the Marketplace.
Thank you for your help Laquox
I downloaded the network profile but do not see any options to make changes to the APN settings for MMS.

3-13-12 HTC Hub Update

I just got a message saying that there is a new update for the HTC Hub; should I be worried about anything like it trying to update drives or loosing my unlocks, I know this sounds silly but you know how sneaky they and MS are. Thanks.
App updates can't, by themselves, do either of those. HTC Hub does have ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES and the full array of HTC COM DLLs (for no reason that I'm aware of), or at least it used to, so it *could* do something tricky if you ran it I guess, but the odds are very much against it. Just installing it would be fine in any case.
sinister1 said:
I just got a message saying that there is a new update for the HTC Hub; should I be worried about anything like it trying to update drives or loosing my unlocks, I know this sounds silly but you know how sneaky they and MS are. Thanks.
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I just updated it on my HTC 7 Pro with Dynamics7 rom.
In Setting menu I installed registry editor and advanced config, last version
and they're working.
I have also touchxplorer and other deployed app, such as battery status, and they're working, too.
IMO we can update, there should be no trick like what you wrote above...
[EDIT]: I ran it to update Accuweather, before trying registry editor and so on...
lordmago said:
I just updated it on my HTC 7 Pro with Dynamics7 rom.
In Setting menu I installed registry editor and advanced config, last version
and they're working.
I have also touchxplorer and other deployed app, such as battery status, and they're working, too.
IMO we can update, there should be no trick like what you wrote above...
[EDIT]: I ran it to update Accuweather, before trying regsitry editor and so on...
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Thanks lordmago, I just don't trust these guys anymore with all the phones re-locking them selves out of the blue and such. Will try it when I get home, I have a back up anyway so I can always go back.
Anyone got a changelog?

software version 7.10.8107.79 DFT ROM FOR SPAR-W VERIZON VERSION OF THE TROPHY

this is the beta rom from the DFT team
this is not my work in any way, if you desire to donate please do, to the DFT team, you will find here the link to mwang
http://forum.xda-developers.com/donatetome.php?u=239077
if you have any questions i will do my best to help you and im sure a lot of users here will do their best to help you
for more technical questions please contact DFT team they are the ones that will be able to give you the best answer.
I have used this rom for a few weeks and its working amazing.
We need more users , more feedback to be able to improve it
I cant tell you if the DFT will be here helping us cause they have a lot going on, but we can help each other.
ROM info
software version 7.10.8107.79
I will add screen shots soon
Spark_W http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?vdeccx3dl2xo372
http://www.filefactory.com/file/c245...for_Verizon.7z
*********************************************************very important*********************************************
please follow this instructions to hack your device before you flash this rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1503298
amazing work by TheXev
*****************************************i said very important*****************************************************
thanks xda for letting us share, DFT team for this amazing rom and your effort everyday.
GOD bless
************************************************************
anivy1609 said:
Hi Elman,
Do you know how to unlock the verizon trophy for any GSM network? I've got that SIM PIN unlock code question from the phone...
Thanks,
Andy
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yes what you need to do is
1 get the unlock code from ebay to do this do as follows
2 turn on your device without sim card
3 go to settings change from automatic to gsm only
4 get the emei number via *#06# in the dial
5 buy code
6 input code when asked
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thanks afripino for this info
Used Registry Editor to fix Bluetooth audio quality issue - \\HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings\ BitPool, set to 51
Thanks for making this thread!
First things I have done after installing the ROM were...
-Testing Internet Sharing (WiFi tethering) - works beautifully
-Used Registry Editor to fix Bluetooth audio quality issue - \\HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings\BitPool, set to 51
Installed Metro Theme from Bazaar
So far, it works flawlessly! I haven't had an issue yet. I have facebook, twitter, exchange (corporate), and 2 Gmail accounts synchronized as well as my Live account. Thanks for all of the quality work DFT and mwang! Thanks to The Xev for his HSPL for Dummies tutorial guide.
afripino said:
Thanks for making this thread!
First things I have done after installing the ROM were...
-Testing Internet Sharing (WiFi tethering) - works beautifully
-Used Registry Editor to fix Bluetooth audio quality issue - \\HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings\BitPool, set to 51
Installed Metro Theme from Bazaar
So far, it works flawlessly! I haven't had an issue yet. I have facebook, twitter, exchange (corporate), and 2 Gmail accounts synchronized as well as my Live account. Thanks for all of the quality work DFT and mwang! Thanks to The Xev for his HSPL for Dummies tutorial guide.
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thanks
we really need feedback like this in this thread
if you can please donate to DFT team
and help us get some devs here to cook for this device
some tango flavor music would be nice to have around
i have added your info to the main post godspeed
afripino said:
First things I have done after installing the ROM were...
-Used Registry Editor to fix Bluetooth audio quality issue - \\HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings\BitPool, set to 51
Installed Metro Theme from Bazaar
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Thanks! Flashing this ROM myself right now.
Do you have links to each of the tools you used for these items?
EDIT: Disregard! After I finished flashing, I found that the apps are already pre-installed with the ROM. Really nice so far.
bommerts said:
Thanks! Flashing this ROM myself right now.
Do you have links to each of the tools you used for these items?
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you will find all inside
good luck and plz tells us what you think about the rom
elmanortega said:
you will find all inside
good luck and plz tells us what you think about the rom
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You're right - the apps are already pre-installed with the ROM - nice!
bommerts said:
You're right - the apps are already pre-installed with the ROM - nice!
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awesome right???
do all you can with it and write a review here thanks
Installed this ROM last evening. Took about an hour, easy as cake. So far the rom seems very stable, everything works that I messed with. I will be donating to DTF soon. Thanks for the great tutorial Xev....
grunge100 said:
Installed this ROM last evening. Took about an hour, easy as cake. So far the rom seems very stable, everything works that I messed with. I will be donating to DTF soon. Thanks for the great tutorial Xev....
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awesome thanks for supporting DFT team
I'm a Chinese.....
When Use CDMA,I send Chinese SMS is correct,but the other who received is incorrect.
It's all right when use GSM.
the-pentagon said:
I'm a Chinese.....
When Use CDMA,I send Chinese SMS is correct,but the other who received is incorrect.
It's all right when use GSM.
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ok awesome feedback will add this to the info as soon as someone else confirm it
Diag mode?
Does diagnostic mode work with this rom? I loaded it OK but when I dial ##634# it stays stuck on "loading"
This is a free phone I got from the Microsoft giveaway, I'd like to put it on Cricket if I can but I can't get it into diag mode.
Astron said:
Does diagnostic mode work with this rom? I loaded it OK but when I dial ##634# it stays stuck on "loading"
This is a free phone I got from the Microsoft giveaway, I'd like to put it on Cricket if I can but I can't get it into diag mode.
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that i have no idea lets see if someone else have an answer
As an FYI I did not try ##634# in the stock verizon mango rom the phone came with, so it may have nothing to do with the new rom. I'm playing with the device on wifi only but would like to get it on PST and put it on a non contract so I can play with it with CDMA as well, see if I want to jump from android to win mobile 7.
So maybe I should have asked this in another thread, but I will wait and see if anyone knows this answer here.
Thanks!
elmanortega said:
ok awesome feedback will add this to the info as soon as someone else confirm it
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When send SMS with Chinese, others will receive"_______"
Use FileExplorer,Reinstall “ServiceTools_01.provXML” and “EmbeddedTool.provxml” in “windows” folder.
That didn't seem to change anything, it still hangs on loading field test.
Can someone with this ROM verify ##634# or ##3282# works for them?
Astron said:
That didn't seem to change anything, it still hangs on loading field test.
Can someone with this ROM verify ##634# or ##3282# works for them?
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My phone work with ##3282# but ##634# not work it hangs on field test loading ...
Thanks, mine hangs on field test loading with both (as well as a couple other codes that HTC has used, either they do nothing or they hang)
I guess when I have time I will go back to the stock rom and see if it fixes it, unless someone else has a better idea. I need to change prl's at the very least to get it off verizon and onto a carrier that I can do prepay with.
I wish I knew more about windows 7, I have a 6.1 sprint touch pro, but this is completely different. Android is a mess but at least I can QPST it.
Before getting started with my post, I BEG any possible cookers, PLEASE PLEASSEEEEE do not take mwangs rom and repackage/rerelease it as your own work. He's already royally pissed off at GoldC users for stealing his hard work and then them taking donations for it.
the-pentagon said:
I'm a Chinese.....
When Use CDMA,I send Chinese SMS is correct,but the other who received is incorrect.
It's all right when use GSM.
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This seems to be an issue with Spark_W's drivers. No clue when we can expect a fix, but this issue seems present in the stock rom as well. Verizon/HTC will prob need to update this in a driver fix... and who knows if they will ever do another official update for our phone. GoldC users are in the same boat with updates as us, so I'm wondering how many shared issues they have (I think the SMS issue is one, but they are stuck on CDMA only mode, unlike us).
I'm guessing this issue wasn't caught my them because HTC/Verizon didn't test the phone enough with input other then English/Spanish.
Astron said:
Does diagnostic mode work with this rom? I loaded it OK but when I dial ##634# it stays stuck on "loading"
This is a free phone I got from the Microsoft giveaway, I'd like to put it on Cricket if I can but I can't get it into diag mode.
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No, this appears to be related to the usage of Cotulla's full unlock.
The only fix for this right now is to cook the rom without Cotulla's full unlock.. but in that case you wouldn't have full unlock. For now, just do any additional programming you need to do with stock rom. I will post some links to "recooked" stock roms I have created that will work with HSPL in another thread. *edit* You can find the HSPL stockish roms here. They are the same as stock, except no SPL/RADIO/Spanish.
As for switching to cricket, I'm not sure how easy it would be to flash a new PRL to it, since it isn't as simple as it was in WM6.5 phones using ##PRL. I think you may still be able to use QPST, but I think you need to boot the phone in diag/bootloader mode. I wrote a custom diag driver to do stuff like this (You'd need to uninstall Zune to make it work right. @[email protected]), and I know it allowed QPST to connect to the phone and read data, but I never tired updating the PRL.
Other known issues with this rom:
You CANNOT program with *228. mwang has confirmed this with me that this is an issue with him removing a driver, and it will be fixed in next rom he releases. Only fix for now is to program the phone before flashing DFT Freedom at this time. In short: Don't perform a factory reset with DFT Freedom for Verizon Trophy at this time! Otherwise you'll have to flash a different rom to program your phone successfully. (Without the driver required, if you attempt to program using this version of DFT Freedom for VZW Trophy, the phone will act like its programming, but will not get an authentication key, so you will get an error "We cannot currently authenticate your phone").
Some users have reported poor voice recondition. I can concur with this, but no fix so far. I'll have to try running a file compare on registry files to see if mwang tweaked any registry settings that might affect voice recondition and report it to him/yous peoples if I find anything. I don't have much free time anymore since I am employed again.
It also seems football released a new stock rom a few days ago. I'm guna go see what that's all about... maybe we'll get the SMS fix (a newer radio would be nice too) and a new official SYS (I won't hold my breath for that one!).

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