I would like to kno is the GSM or cdma version better I see the GSM version has more development, also aren't your 3g speeds faster then ours on sprint? Is it tru GSM unlocked is more unlocked then cdma? Is the ns4g able to wrk on another carrier
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Are you asking which is better cellular phone technology, GSM or CDMA, or are you asking which version of the Nexus s is better, AT&T/Tmo versus Sprint?
GSM phones require a sim card to use. Whether or not the phone is unlocked depends on the phone and the carrier. You can get a Nexus that is locked or unlocked.
You are comparing two different types of speeds. Nexus S's on Tmo run on HSPA+ (is technically 3G) and run 4G on Sprint. Your experience also depends on your radio and the area you live in. T-mo's frequencies are generally not as good at building penetration.
NS4G's are CDMA and do not run with a sim card. I do not think you can unlock a CDMA phone, except through the carrier.
See then GSM is better cuz I can b unlocked to use with another carrier Verizon or Sprint would never go for that
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Cdma passes signal better from tower to tower. If you're on GSM on a highway talking on the phone you know what I mean. However GSM on the other hand has great battery.
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GSM is GSM/wcdma and all u gotta do is switch sims to use another fone as with cdma u have to call customer service
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So while sprint has "4g".... The reality is that wimax has a harder time going through walls so the speeds you will be left with alot of the time is sprints slow 3g and wimax drains the battery faster.... Tmo 3g in most areas seems to be around 3mb down and 1.5mb up and that is without any extra hit to the battery.... Of course milage may vary.. You could live in an area that is not so good for one or the other... My opinion tho is to go with the GSM version mainly cause you could see close to the wimax speeds depending on your area
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I should say that wimax has a harder time going through walls because of the frequency its on,(2500mhz vs 1700mhz for Tmo 3g)
The lower the freq the longer it carries and the better it penetrates walls
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I want one bad GSM nexus s
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I don't know much since I just got this phone today but is this phone going to be LTE capable? Cause the rep at the AT&T store told me it was. Is he BSing me?
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I believe lte needs a special chip installed and our phones does NOT have it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
No...no ATT phone currently is LTE compatible.
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Thanks for the info just wanted to know if they were lying lol
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The inspire is not lte capable and att does not have it out yet. Att has the h+ which uses the hspa service but is it's next gen. True lte uses the 700 mHz band which att doesn't have out yet and the inspire does not have a capable radio to utilize it.
Figured. What a lying sack of.....lol
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I can tell you first hand that AT&T is slowly but surly getting ready to launch LTE. I am an electrician for a local contractor and we will be responcible for installing the LTE controllers and cabinets at many cell sites throughout PA, DE and NJ. Once we have them in place the cell techs will run the fiber then test and launch (who knows how long that will take)
After seeing the trouble that many ppl are having with Verizon ill stick with what I have for now.
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For the last time:
Inspire can run on the LTE stack but can't take advantage of the LTE throughput.
So AT&T reps can say the phone is LTE "compatible" or "capable." Gullible consumer will assume Inspire can run LTE speed, while educated XDA readers know better.
You have to ask a more direct question of "will the Inspire be able to take advantage of the LTE speed?" Then the truth will come out.
If you pester enough, they'll sometimes do a 180 and claim HSPA+ will be just as fast as LTE. lol.
FYI, LTE (3.9G) runs voice & data on the same stack, versus 3G and HSPA+ (3.5G) which runs voice and data on separate stacks. LTE will always be faster no matter how much "backhaul" improvements AT&T makes.
Patiently waiting for LTE Advanced with 1Gb throughput....
What is funny is their website. For the inspire specs it says LTE. But only on their website.
The website doesn't say LTE...... it lists 4G: HSPA+/ LTE on the left and under the phones specs it says HSPA+. The left is just listing the 4G technologies that will be available, the right column where the actual phone specs are tell you it uses HSPA+. This is why people have gotten confused. To me it clearly says HSPA+, but I can see how it can get confused.
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This thread looks really familiar.
I have a question for anyone to anwser. I have an unlocked infuse on tmobile service. We all know that the phone will only get 3G because tmobile and att use different bands. I recently was playing with the network setting and had the option to pick tmobile or att network. Well I pick the att network to see what it would do. Sure enough, I'm on atts network getting faster speeds. My question is what happends if I leave it on this setting? Will I get crazy charges from tmobile?
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Are u sure u get 3G speed on tmobile ?
What i know tmobile uses 1700 for 3G and infuse does not have that band on ......I may be wrong.
Not sure. I do know when I'm on tmobie settings the data icon says G and E from time to time. And when I'm on the att setting it says H. And my speeds are faster
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Anyone else have an answer?
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Anyone else have an answer?
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As you know, the AT&T and T-Mobile merger failed. As part of the agreement, the two companies have entered a roaming agreement where-in T-Mobile's customers can roam on AT&T's 1900Mhz 3G network as long as the phone supports that frequency.
You may want to contact T-Mobile if you're concerned about excessive roaming on AT&T.
t-mobile is "refarming" with 1900mhz support. So you might be the lucky one.
Curious, what city/state are you in?
I'm in lewiston maine
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Hi all. I have just looked at my optimus 3d (uk) and my network is.showing EE (This is the name of oranges 4g network they will be rolling out soon.
Does that mean this phone is fully 4g compatible? (I know the thrill is 4g but would like clarification)
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Hi all. I have just looked at my optimus 3d (uk) and my network is.showing EE (This is the name of oranges 4g network they will be rolling out soon.
Does that mean this phone is fully 4g compatible? (I know the thrill is 4g but would like clarification)
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That's strange, I'm on T-Mobile UK but my O3D hasn't changed yet to EE although I've had a text to say it will, so I guess their in the process of rolling out the new network. The phone is 4G ready (T-mobile confirmed last week) but you will need a new 4G sim card and obviously a new 4G price plan for it to work.
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That's strange, I'm on T-Mobile UK but my O3D hasn't changed yet to EE although I've had a text to say it will, so I guess their in the process of rolling out the new network. The phone is 4G ready (T-mobile confirmed last week) but you will need a new 4G sim card and obviously a new 4G price plan for it to work.
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I think you are confusing that the Optimus 3D is considered 4G ready in the US as they stupidly refer to HSDPA as 4G over there, which over here is 3.5G. There are no 4G ready phones over here yet as the EE network uses a different frequency to what current phones support for LTE (what powers 4G). They will require phones specifically adapted to their network and so no doubt they will be priced accordingly.
I figure the point is moot anyway as the poor speeds on T-Mobile aren't due to limitations to do with 3.5G, they deliberately throttle your speeds. That leads to be to believe that the related cost to actually get a decent speeds on their 4G network will be pretty high.
Its for this reason I am not bothered about 4G yet. For general web browsing the 1Mbit I get on 3.5G is sufficient, if I want any faster I can use WiFi. If I really REALLY needed more speed I would switch to Three which would get a huge speed boost without needing to buy a new phone. I only stick with T-Mobile because their call/text packages are good value and their coverage is excellent, which is more important than uber speed browsing to me.
That's 4G ready as in EE's 4G band will be in the 1800 Mhz range and that's one of the ranges that the O3D is capable of receiving. That was confirmed to me by T-Mobile UK.
I would expect that EE's 4G offering will come at a premium (at least for about a year until the other networks can provide 4G) but a work colleague popped into a new EE shop and they told him that an unlimited data plan would only be about £5 over and above a current 3G unlimited data.
To me, that sounds pretty good...
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I'm an an O2 unlimited data plan and I'll keep it going when 4g gets rolled out. I plan to pay no extra charges, same way I tether for free.
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There's is now 4G coverage in the Houston area.My thunderbolt is already fully flash 3G and stable. Want to enable 4G on this phone. Cricket says requires sim card to work. The only sim cards are with the new LG and Samsung S3 by cricket. I know this is possible by using a unlocked 4G cdma LTE phone with sim slot. Does anyone have a unlocked phone on 4G cricket successfully working!!!
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There's is now 4G coverage in the Houston area.My thunderbolt is already fully flash 3G and stable. Want to enable 4G on this phone. Cricket says requires sim card to work. The only sim cards are with the new LG and Samsung S3 by cricket. I know this is possible by using a unlocked 4G cdma LTE phone with sim slot. Does anyone have a unlocked phone on 4G cricket successfully working!!!
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This is in the wrong thread. Verizon 4g will only work with Verizon. Verizon owns the entire 700mhz band that 4g functions off. This makes it so no other network can use Verizon's 4g
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This is in the wrong thread. Verizon 4g will only work with Verizon. Verizon owns the entire 700mhz band that 4g functions off. This makes it so no other network can use Verizon's 4g
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I dont think this is true as verizon can still lease their spectrum to other carriers like Straight Talk to piggy back off their network. The biggest problem for him is going to get a non-approved 4g device on verizons network. Verizon does not want people taking flagship devices to other discount carriers. Networks like Cricket dont actually own any spectrum, they just lease it from the bigger carriers at a discount. But verizon only allows a select group of ESN's to connect to it, usually for crappier phones. Some people will go so far as to clone their ESN to get it to work, but that requires special tools developed for your phone and can be quite tricky.
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I dont think this is true as verizon can still lease their spectrum to other carriers like Straight Talk to piggy back off their network. The biggest problem for him is going to get a non-approved 4g device on verizons network. Verizon does not want people taking flagship devices to other discount carriers. Networks like Cricket dont actually own any spectrum, they just lease it from the bigger carriers at a discount. But verizon only allows a select group of ESN's to connect to it, usually for crappier phones. Some people will go so far as to clone their ESN to get it to work, but that requires special tools developed for your phone and can be quite tricky.
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Well its pretty obvious that Verizon isn't leasing any part of their lte spectrum since there isn't one single optional carrier that a Verizon 4g phone will work with.
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Is it possible to unlock all GSM bands to but used with Cricket 4G LTE service?
A possible NV Edit is probably all that is required
If I installed any other Sim Card Tmobile for example you get sim card unknown error and no signal
This is being done on other Verizon 4G LTE phones where people doing NV SEEM edits and unlocking all GSM bands. Using with prepaid carriers like Simple Mobile
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Is it possible to unlock all GSM bands to but used with Cricket 4G LTE service?
A possible NV Edit is probably all that is required
If I installed any other Sim Card Tmobile for example you get sim card unknown error and no signal
This is being done on other Verizon 4G LTE phones where people doing NV SEEM edits and unlocking all GSM bands. Using with prepaid carriers like Simple Mobile
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So far no one has managed to do this on the thunderbolt. Its not like other 4g phones and is the only one with svdo enabled.
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Is it possible to unlock all GSM bands to but used with Cricket 4G LTE service?
A possible NV Edit is probably all that is required
If I installed any other Sim Card Tmobile for example you get sim card unknown error and no signal
This is being done on other Verizon 4G LTE phones where people doing NV SEEM edits and unlocking all GSM bands. Using with prepaid carriers like Simple Mobile
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Can the bands the radio receives be changed by software? Isn't the radio physically limited to a range of frequencies?
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I was pretty sure that the radio was locked in to stay at the 700mhz spectrum that Verizon owns. I wouldn't be the least but surprised if it were locked in using hardware as well.
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If memory serves, Cricket's LTE is courtesy of Verizon, I read it I think on Engadget a while back... Either way, it goes along with Verizon's Rural Coverage Plan to work with regional carriers to bring LTE to places where people would never expect it.
T-Mo works with AT&T phones because both are 1800Mhz or whatever for EDGE, so I would think if Sprint LTE is 700Mhz....
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If memory serves, Cricket's LTE is courtesy of Verizon, I read it I think on Engadget a while back... Either way, it goes along with Verizon's Rural Coverage Plan to work with regional carriers to bring LTE to places where people would never expect it.
T-Mo works with AT&T phones because both are 1800Mhz or whatever for EDGE, so I would think if Sprint LTE is 700Mhz....
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Verizon owns the upper c block of the 700mhz spectrum. Read this.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=187&p=230
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jimmyco2008 said:
If memory serves, Cricket's LTE is courtesy of Verizon, I read it I think on Engadget a while back... Either way, it goes along with Verizon's Rural Coverage Plan to work with regional carriers to bring LTE to places where people would never expect it.
T-Mo works with AT&T phones because both are 1800Mhz or whatever for EDGE, so I would think if Sprint LTE is 700Mhz....
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I doubt Sprint is using 700 they are probably using spectrum they got from the nextel acquisition (not looking stupid now lol). And of Sprint was using 700 and the had an lte roaming agreement, which they don't, with Verizon..... sprint lte phones would be working in allot more places, which they aren't.
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http://m.networkworld.com/news/2012/012312-lte-spectrum-255122.html?page=2
If the info from the above article is correct you can see Sprint lte is not compatible with Verizon or ATT. In my searching I also found that apple made 3 different variants of the iPhone 5 with different lte frequency combinations.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/09/iphone5-lte-model/
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willowtree001 said:
Is it possible to unlock all GSM bands to but used with Cricket 4G LTE service?
A possible NV Edit is probably all that is required
If I installed any other Sim Card Tmobile for example you get sim card unknown error and no signal
This is being done on other Verizon 4G LTE phones where people doing NV SEEM edits and unlocking all GSM bands. Using with prepaid carriers like Simple Mobile
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those other Verizon 4g Lte phones, like the moto Bionic, have radios and antenna that support those GSM frequencies, and the engineering software tools to perform those tasks have been leaked.
Afaik, but I haven't looked in a while, after making those seem edits it unlocks Gsm/Edge for Att, T-Mobile and global roaming. I think it also enables hspa for Att but not T-Mobile due to frequencies the bionic's radio supports or doesn't support. It does not enable Lte for any other carrier.
its my understanding that the radio chips and antennas in the TB only support Cdma/Evdo and VZW's upper 700mhz block LTE
It also doesnt help that ril for the thunderbolt is closed source because of the svdo capabilities in it.
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Anyone try getting/buying a sim card from cricket?
You would need a SIM for the phone to work at all, right, since it is needed for 3G and 1X on Verizon?
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You would need a SIM for the phone to work at all, right, since it is needed for 3G and 1X on Verizon?
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The sim would be needed for 4g to work. Cricket will provide you with a sim but you will still only get 3g because they can't get Verizon's 4g signal.
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But my phone doesn't work at all without a SIM, is it different for cricket?
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I think to use the phone with cricket you will have to have the sim but still won't be able to use 4g.
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Quick Question
"There's is now 4G coverage in the Houston area.My thunderbolt is already fully flash 3G and stable. Want to enable 4G on this phone. Cricket says requires sim card to work. The only sim cards are with the new LG and Samsung S3 by cricket. I know this is possible by using a unlocked 4G cdma LTE phone with sim slot. Does anyone have a unlocked phone on 4G cricket successfully working!!!"
If you don't mind, I was hoping you might be able to tell me how you flashed your thunderbolt to Cricket. I have tried many times unsuccessfully, and to be honest I'm absolutely stuck. I'd appreciate any and all help I can find. Thank you so much Have a wonderful day!
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Dave
Hello, a friend of mine of selling a mint Blaze at a great price. Phone is unlocked and I have service with At&t. However, when I insert the sim only get Edge. Is there any way to flash At&t radios to the blaze? I did search before opening a new thread,,, but wasn´t able to get the info I need.
Any help would be very appreciated!
Thanks!
Nope...edge only
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Are you sure? my wife uses the Tmobile s3 with Att and gets 3g. could be this phone runs different frequency's?
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He's wrong. It'll run on their H+ network, but that's all. However ATT's H+ mind you is very congested in a lot of places (NYC especially), but it will run.
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Are you sure? my wife uses the Tmobile s3 with Att and gets 3g. could be this phone runs different frequency's?
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It has multiple bands right?
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He's wrong. It'll run on their H+ network, but that's all. However ATT's H+ mind you is very congested in a lot of places (NYC especially), but it will run.
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So, At&t adopted hspa for T-Mobile
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Your right its really bad in NYC.
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Why are you not using T-Mo? Bad in brooklyn?
Should be able to get hspa+ flash a at&t skyrocket radio fix your apn,
I know it works when using T-Mobile on at&t phones I just flashed T-Mobile radios fixed apn got hspa+ speeds, should work vice versa
Edit: heres some at&t radio's that can be flashed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2270071
I have a Blaze running on NET10 using the AT&T sim card. I can achieve H+ with it, and from time to time it shows me 3G then goes to H+ real quick.
I am able to get (depending on where I am here in Central Indiana) 1-2Mbps with H+ and in other areas I get 12Mbps with H+. Here at the house I show H+ with 3 bars right now and get 1.75Mbps down and 0.42Mbps with a ping of 148ms to a speed test site just 16 miles up the road.
I do have to say it is much better then Tmobile here, I was lucky to get 0.17kbps either way on Edge.
I can tell you that it will help you if you go into your settings and select mobile networks then mobile operators and set yourself to AT&T Network only, let me know if this helps any, it did for me. It has kept me from trying to hit Tmobile towers since I am on NET10 which uses both tmobile and att.