Not that I would really notice any difference between 720p and 1080p but I think there might be some misunderstanding that the TF can play back full 1080p video (1920x1080). Or at least mine can't without encountering serious lag.
I can't play 1080p on the browser YouTube without lag. Also the YouTube app doesn't let you chose between 720p and 1080p so I'm guessing it only plays 720p. to make sure it wasn't a browser problem i download a full HD video (www[dot]digital-digest[dot]com/movies/Limitless_1080p_Theatrical_Trailer[dot]html) and as expected it played with a lot of lag. Can anyone else check on that too?
Thanks
Wondering the same, I hope there is a solution for this problem, Otherwise it may be false marketing/advertisement which would be very sad fact for us as TF users indeed.
So I tried searching for an official quote stating that the TF can playback 1080p video and the closest i came was this line from ASUS's website-
"A 5MP rear- and 1.2MP front-facing camera can shoot and record HD video, which can be played back in stunning 1080p."
Even here it doesn't state clearly where exactly the video can be played back. Nowhere else does it mention that the TF can playback 1080p. I think it's just clever marketing on their part but it does lead to general misinformation about the product.
Why would you want to play 1080p content if the screen only can handle 720p anyway?
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Why would you want to play 1080p content if the screen only can handle 720p anyway?
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Hdmi out to a tv is what comes to mind.
The transformer will do 1080p resolution out to a TV or monitor, but I do not think it is capable of playing true HD videos such as the Limitless trailer you listed.
Mine does play youtube in HD very clearly with no lag.
but I have put a HiDef MP4 video on here and attempted to play it and it was choppy or didnt play correctly at all.
I recommend AVI files and Vplayer or using a program to change the bit rate of the hi def files and trying to play them again.
Yes it will play 1080p, but it will only play 1080p low profile and only with minimal bitrates. I have made several for testing that play fine using Handbrake, but in reality 1080p over HDMI is a bit flawed at the moment, and the tablet doesn't show native 1080p so since you have to re-encode blu-rays anyway you're better off with a high profile high bitrate 720p conversion than low end 1080p.
I have not tried any of this with 3.2 yet.
While we are on the subject, does 5.1/7.1 also work via HDMI?
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Yes it will play 1080p, but it will only play 1080p low profile and only with minimal bitrates. I have made several for testing that play fine using Handbrake, but in reality 1080p over HDMI is a bit flawed at the moment, and the tablet doesn't show native 1080p so since you have to re-encode blu-rays anyway you're better off with a high profile high bitrate 720p conversion than low end 1080p.
I have not tried any of this with 3.2 yet.
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1080p will not play (atleast my encodes), while 720p seems to play just fine. I'd stick with 720p personally. I don't use the HDMI out, but I can see a reason for having it, it'd be nice.
I've played 1080p videos on youtube with no problem. I'm rooted and running revolver v1.1.3 (HC3.1) at 1.5 GHz.
Playing Youtube videos is not a good guideline really. Unless you make sure you are using a browser with the user agent set to Desktop and also that your Youtube settings are not set to HTML5. Then manually setting the video to 1080p and testing.
The very first bulleted item at the official ASUS product page previously stated "NVIDIA® Tegra™ 2 1.0GHz dual-core CPU for excellent multitasking & 1080P video playback" but now it states "NVIDIA® Tegra™ 2 1.0GHz dual-core CPU for excellent multitasking & HD video playback". I guess they finally decided to change it. I knew I should have taken a screenshot to prove it back when I saw it.
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I was curious if anyone else is having chopping video performance on a 1080p video? I have 720p videos play fine but 1080p video's stutter every few seconds. Any ideas? Its hard to show off the screen when video playback is poor.
There is no difference between a 720p video and a 1080p video on this phone. The screens not big enough to make a difference. Convert your video to 720p or lower if u want to play it on your phone.
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There is no difference between a 720p video and a 1080p video on this phone. The screens not big enough to make a difference. Convert your video to 720p or lower if u want to play it on your phone.
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He is correct. Make sure you convert the video to the proper resolution and format for best performance. No need to make the phone work harder to decode video from a format you will not gain from.
Storing 1080p video would only seem to benefit if you intend to use an external display. Are you using an external adapter(usb to hdmi or analog) for playback?
Thanks for the replies. I knew that this was the case. When testing the video capabilities, I downloaded a bunch of random HD video samples. Some 720p some 1080p. The 1080p seems to work flawlessly if I taskill everything but I shouldn't have to do that. I guess I'll just stick to 720p unless I'm hooking up to a TV.
I picked up the Tab yesterday after selling my Archos 70. To be honest the video processing onthe tab is poor. Speed wise iits great but the hardware decoder seems to not process the video correctly. This is apparent on 720p content, the image seems to be pixelated or downscaled very poorly, resulting in jagged image quality. It seems that lower resolution files such as 480p does not suffer from this problem. I have tried mp4 and mkv 720p files and the problem is still very noticable. After trying rockplayer xyplayer and a host of others i noticed that the image is far sharper under software decoding ( but too slow to be usable) , one hardware decoding is enabled the image becomes blocky.
To be honest the main reason for buying the tab was for the playback of 720p content on a good quality screen. ( archos 70 screen has poor contrast and viewing angles) , has anyone else noticed this poor hardware decoder issue? and is there any way around it? , I am running the latest firmware and feeling a bit dissapointed, my galaxy S has no such decoding issues.
Poor? It plays perfectly my test file, a 1080p trailer for the last Indiana Jones... And that beast reaches a bitrate of even 50mbps!
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I have noticed the same thing.
Whit 720p movies the Tab do some thing to the image. Pixelated/downscale weird frames sometimes. When just watch on the Tab screen i dont noticed its so much. But when i connect it to the hdmi dock and run the move on big screen its gets really noticeable.
And its like you say, on low res movies its looks good like youtube or other movies.
But whit 720p its looks weird some time whit lost frames or what you can call it.
Can't explain it whit my poor English.
The Tab play all my movies just fine. No lagg or so. Its just like the above described. Its seems it have problems to decode or handle the image the way it should look like.
And i use the stock Samsung player.
Think the Tab has same problem when you look at pictures in the gallery. Its downscale/mess up the image. Have read about that here on Xda
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It doesn't happened to me when I play with Samsung Video 720 & 1080p.
I don't trust RockPlayer.
FYI.
No issues here either, 1080P and 720P all played fine... best file format seems to be XviD..
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Poor? It plays perfectly my test file, a 1080p trailer for the last Indiana Jones... And that beast reaches a bitrate of even 50mbps!
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I agree. The Tab plays my ripped blu-ray movies beautifully. I keep resolution at 1080 too. No lag or picture quality issues.
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I use the the standard video player and it works fine, rockplayer lagged and put movies out of sync for me
Use stock player instead, never really trust rockplayer
cannot play any 720p mkv at all. Stock/Rock player. I can play 720p MP4, but audio does not work : (
no problems using 720p movies with standard video player
b0ricuaguerrero said:
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what format?
Tried Zimly media player, or doubletwist?
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cannot play any 720p mkv at all. Stock/Rock player. I can play 720p MP4, but audio does not work : (
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I think your problem is that there is DTS / Multi channel audio in your movies.
The Galaxy Tab can't play Movies whit 5.1 audio. It haves to be stereo sound or it won't play.
It's kind of sucks, because almost every 720p movie haves multi channel audio that SGT can't handle.
Little annoying that movies have to be converted only for the audio.
What i do is that i convert my movies whit Formatfactory.
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Im trying to watch either .mp4 or .mkv but both lag in stock player and moboplayer. Anybody get this to work with zero lag?
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I get no lag using Vital Player.
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I get no lag using Vital Player.
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Just tried that and it lagged a lot...
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What are the specs on the videos that you are trying to play?
Here is a vid of me using Vital Player on the transformer with a H.264 encoded MP4 and an MKV movie. No lag, no sync issues.
http://vimeo.com/23927515
If the movies you're trying to watch are encoded with High profile then playback will be laggy no matter what on the TF.
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What are the specs on the videos that you are trying to play?
Here is a vid of me using Vital Player on the transformer with a H.264 encoded MP4 and an MKV movie. No lag, no sync issues.
http://vimeo.com/23927515
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Nice!
Okay I'm a new when it comes ti all these video formats.. all I know is that I get choppy playback
So this handles 1080 but with some tweaks I'm assuming..again, I'm a new at this
Were those movies you converted? Is so you mind writing up a little tutorial
Thanks
For the MKV, I downloaded it was already encoded so I am not sure of its specs, but the playback quality and resolution are excellent even on my desktop's 24" HD monitors.
For the MP4 played at the beginning of the video, that was shot in 1920x1080, brought into Premiere CS5 for editing and exported through Adobe Media Encoder using H.264 at 1280x720.
There are some threads with Handbrake encoding specs on the forums as well.
When using Vital player make sure the Decode Mode settings are set to automatic. It will automatically recognize there is no hardware acceleration (as I understand is normal with the Tegra-2). It will then compensate with "software acceleration". Also in the Video Mode settings I have it set to speed over quality as the performance is better without sacrificing much of the quality to my eye.
With these settings, Vital Player should play just about any video you might download off of a torrent site. I have yet to find a video that does not play well through it. I'm not sure if other users who say it does not work for them have checked the Vital Player settings, if my videos are just not up to the elusive "high profile" they are talking about, or if I just have a rare Transformer that just works, but as you can see in the video it does work for me.
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For the MKV, I downloaded it was already encoded so I am not sure of its specs, but the playback quality and resolution are excellent even on my desktop's 24" HD monitors.
For the MP4 played at the beginning of the video, that was shot in 1920x1080, brought into Premiere CS5 for editing and exported through Adobe Media Encoder using H.264 at 1280x720.
There are some threads with Handbrake encoding specs on the forums as well.
When using Vital player make sure the Decode Mode settings are set to automatic. It will automatically recognize there is no hardware acceleration (as I understand is normal with the Tegra-2). It will then compensate with "software acceleration". Also in the Video Mode settings I have it set to speed over quality as the performance is better without sacrificing much of the quality to my eye.
With these settings, Vital Player should play just about any video you might download off of a torrent site. I have yet to find a video that does not play well through it. I'm not sure if other users who say it does not work for them have checked the Vital Player settings, if my videos are just not up to the elusive "high profile" they are talking about, or if I just have a rare Transformer that just works, but as you can see in the video it does work for me.
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So you had to encode the mkv or mp4 before playback? So it cant just play them straight up?
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I believe that nearly any video you get is going to need be encoded in some form at some time.
The MKV was more than likely encoded by someone else before I downloaded, but no further encoding was necessary on my end. The MP4 was shot on my own camera (Canon 7D recording at 1920x1080p) and needed to be edited. When you export directly from the timeline in Premiere, it must be encoded to even be usable. For sites like YouTube or Vimeo to even accept them there must be encoding. The H.264 encoding that I used is the highest setting for that type of video's purpose (HD web playback). It is different than what I would have exported for burning to Blu-Ray but is adequate for a screen the size and resolution of the Transformer's.
When I return home, I will try bringing in the raw, unedited video from the 7D (which is around 3GB for a 4 minute vid at that resolution btw) and see if Vital Player plays it back with no lag. I seriously doubt it as some average computers have a hard time playing that back without lag. Even Final Cut Pro can't import raw 7D video without a conversion (Adobe Premiere does not have this problem though). Why anyone would want to play a video of this size and resolution on a tablet is beyond me (3GB for 4mins is ridiculous in a playback form). I can't even imagine wanting to watch a full length movie in that form.
Both of these videos seriously choke in any player other than Vital Player (including Mobo, QQ, and MVideo). I couldn't play any video in my library with them or the stock player, but all of these files play just fine in Vital.
I'm playing 720p with no problem
converted with Handbreak. Settings below.
container: "mp4" everything else turned off
picture: "1280x720"
video: "h.264 (x264)"
target size as least as large as the source
advanced: reference frames = 4
b-frames = 0
I'm using moboplayer and downloaded some sort of codec pack (the player prompted me the first time and opened the app store). The default player also works.
AtomicAge said:
I'm playing 720p with no problem
converted with Handbreak. Settings below.
container: "mp4" everything else turned off
picture: "1280x720"
video: "h.264 (x264)"
target size as least as large as the source
advanced: reference frames = 4
b-frames = 0
I'm using moboplayer and downloaded some sort of codec pack (the player prompted me the first time and opened the app store). The default player also works.
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Maybe that's all I was missing for the other players (I didn't get prompted to download codecs). I'll stick with Vital Player though simply because it's already on my tablet and it works.
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Maybe that's all I was missing for the other players (I didn't get prompted to download codecs). I'll stick with Vital Player though simply because it's already on my tablet and it works.
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Ive tried lots of different players and anything i download from BitTorrent (.mkv which I convert to MP4 for my Xbox) won't play worth a damn on my transformer. They are all720p. They all lag like crazy. Can the transformer not handle this?
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tsatrom said:
Ive tried lots of different players and anything i download from BitTorrent (.mkv which I convert to MP4 for my Xbox) won't play worth a damn on my transformer. They are all720p. They all lag like crazy. Can the transformer not handle this?
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90% of all HD videos you download the internet are ripped from blu-ray and likely encoded with high profile h264 because that's what looks best. the tegra 2 cannot handle these files at 720 or 1080p, and thus they need to be re-encoded to main profile, which as i understand it, means a much lower bitrate (and thus worse picture).
you can read more about it here
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=98211 (bottom of page)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles
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you can read more about it here
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=98211 (bottom of page)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles
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Thanks guys
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I got all excited because of this thread...but I just gave VitalPlayer a shot on a 720p high profile x264 and it still sucks. No artifacts but the framerate is really low it seems.
In case anyone is interested I did receive this message from ASUS:
"On this issue, we have tested some of the 1080p video is playing well. We have cooperation with google and will launch android 3.1 in June to resolve the 720p and 1080p video playback problems."
We'll see...
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I got all excited because of this thread...but I just gave VitalPlayer a shot on a 720p high profile x264 and it still sucks. No artifacts but the framerate is really low it seems.
In case anyone is interested I did receive this message from ASUS:
"On this issue, we have tested some of the 1080p video is playing well. We have cooperation with google and will launch android 3.1 in June to resolve the 720p and 1080p video playback problems."
We'll see...
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i believe that is flash only, as in 720/1080 youtube streaming which is much lower quality than a high profile blu-ray rip. the problem is tegra 2, which is a year old, not supporting 720/1080p playback. it's the reason boxee box dropped tegra for an intel chip.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
this thread seems to do a pretty good job of explaining everything and going through how to get HD vids working
Which is the best player to view video in high resolution without to convert them or stuff like that!
I already overclocked it on 1.5 GHz but i can not play 1280x720 videos fluently!
I heard that the SGS 2 can play 1920 fluently out of the box, dont know if its true!
I'm currently on 3.0.1! Is there a difference on 3.1?
Hi oaz1,
Did you make high profile video work OK now? I am also very interested to make at least 720p high profile video work on my Xoom.
Have you tried Tiamat Kernel with both CPU and GPU overclock? Are you using software or hardware video decoding?
FYI, I am running stock 3.2 image.
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Which is the best player to view video in high resolution without to convert them or stuff like that!
I already overclocked it on 1.5 GHz but i can not play 1280x720 videos fluently!
I heard that the SGS 2 can play 1920 fluently out of the box, dont know if its true!
I'm currently on 3.0.1! Is there a difference on 3.1?
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I've been using mx video player. It plays 720p files without a problem.
Buy dice player...
Install Mobo Player and QQ Player, and then buy Dice Player, it plays high profile 720p H264 without a hitch. You can also use XenonMKV to convert the audio in your high profile videos (without re-encoding video) and play them back in the stock player without issues. Takes about 15 minutes to convert and rebuild a 2 hour movie on my laptop, video is untouched in the process. I did that once, but it's much easier (and well worth the ~$5) to buy Dice Player.
I'm having trouble figuring out what's going on here. My Asus Transformer (Prime Rom, dual-core 1ghz Tegra with 1gb RAM, ~20gb free SSD space) Is having problems playing video. It stuters the sound (rarely), or the sound plays normal 1:1 but the video plays at a speed of 1:2 or worse (1/2 speed) so after a few seconds its unwatchable, not to mention that if I watch 15+ seconds it crashes the app. Also, if there are Subtitles, they keep pace with the audio without issue. on a few rare occasions, (notably 1 set of rips) the video plays fine but the audio is severely compromised where people speaking sounds like somone playing notes on a low-quality synthesizer...
Most videos are encoded as MKV (varying audio codecs, all the way from low-quality 56kb all the way up to FLAC)
I've played off internal storage, MicroSD, Dock+USB (flash and USB HDD), Dock+SDHC, none seem to make a difference.
My guess is that it's a app or rom issue, since my EVO (1ghz single core, 512mb ram, CYM rom) plays full 1080p video without a hiccup (while mirroring it over HDMI!!!).
Can anyone suggest a player that will play 720p without a problem? 1080p would be nice. If this is an Android problem, is there any kind of workaround without down-grading my videos? (I mean 480p already doesnt look great on my TF's screen, 240p would REALLY suck...)
You never mentioned what player you're using, but Tegra 2 doesn't support MKV containers properly, it needs to be fed raw h264 streams for hardware acceleration to kick in. The only player that does this is DicePlayer. It'll demux the mkv file and decode video with hardware and audio with software giving you lagless experience. Your experience with FLAC may vary though.
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You never mentioned what player you're using, but Tegra 2 doesn't support MKV containers properly, it needs to be fed raw h264 streams for hardware acceleration to kick in. The only player that does this is DicePlayer. It'll demux the mkv file and decode video with hardware and audio with software giving you lagless experience. Your experience with FLAC may vary though.
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I tried the built-in video as well as "Mobo Player" which claimed it had MKV support.
Someone else on another forum suggested Dice, since it's got a free trial I'll be installing it this weekend and seeing how well it works. (While I would have preferred a free solution I'm willing to pay a few dollars to support devs as long as they're not asking like $19.99 or something for a dinky little app)
I'll report back if I can get it working later, thanks for the explanation!
Give Dice Player a try. It's by far the best player now. It claims to us the actual hardware instead of software decoding.
Hmm, do you have streaming problems too? For some reason, my netflix seems to be lagging in video now. It didn't use to (pure-root, no prime) then it did (prime 1.8? 1.6? can't remember but it was 1.x), didn't lag (2.0.1) but is now laggy again (2.0.3 or whatever the latest patch is).
I'm getting mixed results.
Yes, a certain number of videos will play now, but some still wont it still says it's unable to use hardware decoding. However these are 720p and 1080p (480p plays fine now) so I'm wondering if it's an HD issue... (Yes I did install the Tegra Plugin) So it _IS_ an improvement... I'll have to compare the encoding info to see what else is different between the ones that play and the ones that dont...
Overall, I am pleased with Dice and will likely put up the $6 the developer is asking for. it DOES appear to be Hardware decoding and hopefully it will only improve from here (considering my EVO, with half the specs, can decode + Mirror 1080p I assume this is an issue that will be resolved with time and dev work on the app/plugin)
@ asdfuogh:
I've not done any updates. I bought it used with Prime pre-installed, so I cant really compare. I dont have netflix but I'll try some of the longer youtube streams and see if they hiccup (I was having issues earlier with youtube but I was also on cellular so I had limited bandwidth to work with)
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I'm getting mixed results.
Yes, a certain number of videos will play now, but some still wont it still says it's unable to use hardware decoding. However these are 720p and 1080p (480p plays fine now) so I'm wondering if it's an HD issue... (Yes I did install the Tegra Plugin) So it _IS_ an improvement... I'll have to compare the encoding info to see what else is different between the ones that play and the ones that dont...
Overall, I am pleased with Dice and will likely put up the $6 the developer is asking for. it DOES appear to be Hardware decoding and hopefully it will only improve from here (considering my EVO, with half the specs, can decode + Mirror 1080p I assume this is an issue that will be resolved with time and dev work on the app/plugin)
@ asdfuogh:
I've not done any updates. I bought it used with Prime pre-installed, so I cant really compare. I dont have netflix but I'll try some of the longer youtube streams and see if they hiccup (I was having issues earlier with youtube but I was also on cellular so I had limited bandwidth to work with)
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The thing with Dice is, it'll use Hardware acceleration for Main Profile 1080p (I forgot what level) and High Profile 720p with certain reference frames, etc. Exceed it and Tegra 2 can't decode it so it becomes software. I believe the full specification can be found through a search "tegra 2 h264 decoding profile"
After digging through the dumps of the videos I found my problem.
I mislabeled them...
What I labed as "720p" had a resolution of "1920x1080" I had switched to true HD recording about the time I got my BluRay drive (as opposed to my old HD-DVD drive) and for some reason screwed up and labled some BR rips as 720p...
After comparing the dumps and re-labeling, I've found nothing 720p or lower that Dice wont play (and with shocking efficiency! 2-3 hours of 720p playback (mostly over internal speaker) from my USB HDD and I am still at 97% power!!!
I'll still look over the codecs that Tegra can support, maybe I can find a way to get a "low profile" 1080p sometime, but for now since I dont have anything except my PC monitor that can exceed 720p, I'm good ^_^
Thank you all for your help!
EDIT:
Nevermind the 97% bit, I forgot the dock had a seperate battery, the dock was down to 16%... though I think that's still impressive for what I was doing...
MX Video Player is the best.Install the app and the Tegra plug-in.
Ashton_Durkhun said:
I'm getting mixed results.
Yes, a certain number of videos will play now, but some still wont it still says it's unable to use hardware decoding. However these are 720p and 1080p (480p plays fine now) so I'm wondering if it's an HD issue... (Yes I did install the Tegra Plugin) So it _IS_ an improvement... I'll have to compare the encoding info to see what else is different between the ones that play and the ones that dont...
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Unfortunately hardware decode of HD H264/AAC files is still broken with HC 3.2.1. It used to work with 3.1, but got broken with 3.2. It doesn't matter which player you use.
I have a ticket open with Asus. They initially said they would fix it in 3.2.1, but didn't. When I then told them this in the ticket I had open, they said "nobody has reported a problem". This is in the very same ticket where I reported the break 2 months ago! I got quite cross at this point as it clearly hasn't been passed up the chain.
Anyway, they have promised to look into it. I've supplied them with a file that plays back with hardware decode in 3.1, but doesn't in 3.2.X. Let's hope they sort it out soon.
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MX Video Player is the best.Install the app and the Tegra plug-in.
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Killer Bee said:
MX Video Player is the best.Install the app and the Tegra plug-in.
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I have to agree with this. MX Player is all I use now. It will dim the button bar and notifications, blank the tablet screen when connected to HDMI, and can easily play back all my (previously) problem mkv files with hardware on the video and software on the audio.
And its free, something DICE player cannot claim.
Rockplayer
Try Rockplayer.