I need some advice peeps. I thought I lost my new charge couldn't find it for two days, took a rafting trip and hadn't seen it since. I fig it for gone down the river. I made a claim with asurion and the new phone came ystdy, in the meantime I found my phone buried under my seat in my truck. I charged it and powered it up to discover that it is still working as of today even after I made the claim thru asurion a few days ago. Now I have an extra phone. Is it illegal or does anyone know if I can sell one of the two phones. I figured my original would be flagged with a bad ESN? What should I do, I thought about giving one to my brother but don't want to get him in trouble or think I ran a scam. I did have to pay 99 dollars for the replacement, help???? WWYD???
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I need some advice peeps. I thought I lost my new charge couldn't find it for two days, took a rafting trip and hadn't seen it since. I fig it for gone down the river. I made a claim with asurion and the new phone came ystdy, in the meantime I found my phone buried under my seat in my truck. I charged it and powered it up to discover that it is still working as of today even after I made the claim thru asurion a few days ago. Now I have an extra phone. Is it illegal or does anyone know if I can sell one of the two phones. I figured my original would be flagged with a bad ESN? What should I do, I thought about giving one to my brother but don't want to get him in trouble or think I ran a scam. I did have to pay 99 dollars for the replacement, help???? WWYD???
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It happens. In the previous days, your ESN (which is 'burned' into the SOC) would be trashed when you activate the new phone. Today, though, since LTE phones are now SIM based, a new SIM might activate the old phone just fine. It's possible, though, that the claim trashed the IMEI, but there's no way to tell without talking directly to Verizon.
Keeping it constitutes insurance fraud, and yes, that's illegal. The right thing to do, legally and ethically, is to call Asurion and tell them you found your original phone. They'll probably send you a box and tell you to ship one of the phones back.
If you are still using the phone you lost you can.still sell the new one.you got in the same thing happen to me
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Keeping it constitutes insurance fraud, and yes, that's illegal. The right thing to do, legally and ethically, is to call Asurion and tell them you found your original phone. They'll probably send you a box and tell you to ship one of the phones back.
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Technically is it Fraud? I'm just asking not saying it's not indeed. That's why I posted because I'm torn. I've paid on insurance for at least the last 5 years and never made a claim @ almost 7 dollars a month for insurance. I needed my phone ASAP and made the claim. Did I overreact, maybe, but now I forked our 99 dollars plus close to half a grand that I've paid insurance over the last 5 years. Honest mistake now I have two phones. If its not illegal I wouldn't mind just letting my brother have the phone or maybe keep it as a spare etc.. IDK really??
Its insurance fraud plain and simple...the right thing to do is call them and telthen you found it
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Actually, it's not fraud, since he believed the phone was lost and made the claim in good faith.
Fraud is a very strict legal term, the primary facet of which is intent.
Now, if it was a situation like we've seen before where the phone is having problems and he didn't want to pay to get it replaced out of warranty so instead claimed it lost, then THAT would be fraud.
This kind of thing happens all the time.
I would advise against selling the phone, since that would make your motives suspect to anyone investigating the situation.
If it will activate with a fresh SIM, however, then use it as spare or give it to your brother.
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Actually, it's not fraud, since he believed the phone was lost and made the claim in good faith.
Fraud is a very strict legal term, the primary facet of which is intent.
Now, if it was a situation like we've seen before where the phone is having problems and he didn't want to pay to get it replaced out of warranty so instead claimed it lost, then THAT would be fraud.
This kind of thing happens all the time.
I would advise against selling the phone, since that would make your motives suspect to anyone investigating the situation.
If it will activate with a fresh SIM, however, then use it as spare or give it to your brother.
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IDK, I really am torn, my bro's phone is junk and he's not eligible for the upgrade. If I were to take my chances should I keep the new sim in my old phone and give him my old sim in the new one or just keep the sims with the phones they are in now, or would it even matter?
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IDK, I really am torn, my bro's phone is junk and he's not eligible for the upgrade. If I were to take my chances should I keep the new sim in my old phone and give him my old sim in the new one or just keep the sims with the phones they are in now, or would it even matter?
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The old sim is probably toast, anyway due to the claim.
Right now, you should be running a new SIM in your new phone. That's the one that's active on your account.
Maybe someone more familiar with the SIM activation process can chime in about a potential process.
Edit: Of course, it's also entirely possible that they burned the IMEI with the claim as well, making your old phone a very stylish and expensive MP3 player.
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The old sim is probably toast, anyway due to the claim.
Right now, you should be running a new SIM in your new phone. That's the one that's active on your account.
Maybe someone more familiar with the SIM activation process can chime in about a potential process.
Edit: Of course, it's also entirely possible that they burned the IMEI with the claim as well, making your old phone a very stylish and expensive MP3 player.
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But, here's the kicker, I haven't even activated my new phone, I'm still currently using the original phone and sim, so go figure, it's not toast as of yet, should I just keep it on the DL for a month or so and see if they shut my current device down?
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But, here's the kicker, I haven't even activated my new phone, I'm still currently using the original phone and sim, so go figure, it's not toast as of yet, should I just keep it on the DL for a month or so and see if they shut my current device down?
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I'm surprised they haven't burned the SIM or the IMEI. At this point, you're out of my experience range, so I don't want to say something that could cause problems.
I would be willing to bet that IMEI on the original phone has been or is in the process of being flagged as stolen/bad/whatever. Blacklisted so it cannot be activated on VZW again. It would work on a different network like Cricket if it can be flashed but it could be that it doesn't happen until the replacement is activated. I would toss the old one in a drawer or sell as a bad ESN device without a sim or use it only as a PDA on wifi at the house. If you were to sell the new one, and keep the original, when the other guy activates it and your phone stops working its going to suck. Not saying this will happen for sure, but not worth trying. I would call Verizon and ask them what will happen.
If you're worried enough about it to ask here, then just do the right thing and call them and send the replacement back.
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Actually, it's not fraud, since he believed the phone was lost and made the claim in good faith.
Fraud is a very strict legal term, the primary facet of which is intent.
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You are wrong sir plain and simple.
See, ask yourself how did the OP get an insurance claim? He claimed the phone was lost or stolen (doesn't matter) and because his was lost... He filed a.claim...
Asurion claims it as a loss...and ships him out an insurance replacement...
Now, if or should he find the phone?
That phone belongs to Asurion NOT the OP. Get it?
Why does it belong to Asurion?
Read the terms and conditions of Asurion's service.
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You are wrong sir plain and simple.
See, ask yourself how did the OP get an insurance claim? He claimed the phone was lost or stolen (doesn't matter) and because his was lost... He filed a.claim...
Asurion claims it as a loss...and ships him out an insurance replacement...
Now, if or should he find the phone?
That phone belongs to Asurion NOT the OP. Get it?
Why does it belong to Asurion?
Read the terms and conditions of Asurion's service.
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At that point Asurion (the company, not a dude named Asurion) was done with the deal. They have no interest in the old phone. It was written off a long time ago. They report the claim to Verizon who then does their part and blacklists the IMEI/ESN so that device cannot be reused on their network. Its over. He doesn't owe Asurion anything as he paid for a service he didn't use for the longest time and finally got to use it in a manner that was completely non-fradulent and valid. The OP should do whatever he wants with the phone but I wouldn't trust it.
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Actually, it's not fraud, since he believed
Fraud is a very strict legal term, the primary facet of which is intent.
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If he chooses to keep the phone now that he's found it, that's intent. He should have read his agreement with Asurion. Legally, the phone now belongs to them.
Asurion's terms clearly state for lost/stolen phones that if the phone is ever found it is required to be sent back to them.
Oh, and by the way: it's in no small part due to things like this our deductibles are so high. Remember when they were just $50? Yeah... Thanks.
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Oh, and by the way: it's in no small part due to things like this our deductibles are so high. Remember when they were just $50? Yeah... Thanks.
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That's why I don't buy insurance. A few months after getting a phone you can find a replacement for cheap enough because they released 5 newer models since then. To hell with insurance. Between the deductible and monthly premiums you technically already paid for the phone they send you. Its like a savings account that can only be used on a (now outdated) cell phone. Not exactly a bargain IMO.
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That's why I don't buy insurance. A few months after getting a phone you can find a replacement for cheap enough because they released 5 newer models since then. To hell with insurance. Between the deductible and monthly premiums you technically already paid for the phone they send you. Its like a savings account that can only be used on a (now outdated) cell phone. Not exactly a bargain IMO.
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Also why I don't buy it..way overpriced for what you get...full coverage insurance on a vehicle that cost 30k is around 100 to 200 a month...so like .5%. The same on a 400 dollar phone is 7 a month...about 2%...do it costs 4 times more to insure a phone than my vehicle...no thanks
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I brought this mytouch off Craigslist by trading with my G2. The phone is starting some problems as with not turning the screen on when after a phone call and I got the bad screen on it.
Now I don't know if this phone is stolen or not or the person got it from the insurance by claiming Its lost.
Now do you think T-Mobile will exchnage it? I can't deal with the screen not turning on anymore so yeah.
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I am sure this is the reason the owner sold it in first place, I bet the person gave you lame story about how he changed carrier or got it as gift or some BS and he already has something lol so he didn't need it.
This is why I warn folks about buying jack from eBay or Craigslist when first batch came out month ago that means alot of inferior device that shouldn't have passed QC got though. Your best bet is going via HTC device warranty as TMo itself will not honor yours as they have no proof of this device was valid transaction linked to your account. Also the remorse period is only though TMo not by 3rd party individuals.
Thanks for the reply Mr.HKM, He told me he had 2 of these and he wanted to get rid of it so I'm guessing he used the insurance company to get another by saying it was lost.
Is it worth a shot with T-Mobile? or Should I call up HTC tomrrow and see what they can do? The thing is, I don't want to be left phoneless though, that's the only thing that's going to be bad for me.
Would my best bet be selling it back on Craigslist and getting another one?
I bought my HD2 off craigslist and transfered my insurance to it by calling tmo and asking them if I could. It was originally the insurance I had on my touch pro 2. My nexus one was insured by that other company.
I never had to use it on the hd2 so I don't know how that would work. After I bought the MT4G I had the guy at the store transfer my insurance to it.
Its worth a shot calling tmo. From my experience they are wing willing to work with you.
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Maybe prick got it buy one get one free though adding family members with contract. Best place to buy it now is though TMo as like you I also considered buying it via CL/eBay but after I saw the rate of bad display, ffc, creaky buttons I decide it to just shall out the full $450 and get it without contract. Didn't want the hassle as I lost my HD2 and was left with dumbphone lol trust me its no fun.
Well this is what you can do just skip it all as TMo will not help you so just contact HTC rep and request RMA for it. While you are sending it go to local TMo store and get "loner" phone while its taken care of. You can contact the seller but I am sure the prick will ignore you as kid will be like its your problem now.
Update: Do as MvP77 said then first with TMo it won't hurt long as you get it taken care of if not then you become the prick and get it of your hand ASAP by selling it to someone else lol
Ugh I looked at T-Mobile website about device warranty under T-Mobile and it looks like you cannot transfer warranties from another customer. Pretty much bumed out at this point.
Should I post of on Craigslist asap and get rid of it and buy another one and risk getting a **** screen and or just keep this?
I flashed iced galicer on it and the screen comes on after a call so I'm just worried about the screen for now.
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I have known and helped people who bought through ebay or craigslist get a replacement through T-Mo. It's not a fool proof way but it has worked for some.
First thing is hopefully you are a T-Mo customer? Then don't use the online chat, call them on the phone. Just ask for Tech support. Here is what you are trying to accomplish, you need to get your IMEI # in their system to have a chance. So since this device came out with a OTA (Over the Air update) the same day it launched it is a plus for you. If your IMEI # is not in the system you will never get the update. So when you call and get to the rep just explain to him you are having some problems with very poor battery life and your video chat is not working properly, poor signal etc. Tell him you knew there was a OTA update but you have never received it, and you want to see if this will fix your problems first before deciding on a warranty replacement. If they ask you where you got it tell them you got it from a T-Mobile Store and you bought it full price. Whatever you do don't tell them craigslist. Stay firm on you buying it in a store no matter how many times they ask. Now the above might not even come up but be prepared in case. Noe tell the tech support rep could he please make sure that your IMEI number is correct in their system as you have never received the update. Your number might be in there and it might not. Likely it is not. I had one that was wrong for a whole month from when I changed from my G2. They will ask you for your number and give it to them. If they don't find it they will try to put it in. If the IMEI number is not in their database they will tell you also and ask where you bought it. Stick to the plan. Tell them you don't know why it's not in their system all you did is buy it in their store it should be in the system and you paid full price for it it better be in the system. now I have actually had this happen on one of my early replacements. And I really did get it from a store. They finally said they could manually enter it and override the system. Now if you get this done your almost there. Tell them thank you and you will be waiting for the update and hopefully it fixes the issues if not you will call back. Wait a day or two. The call back and when you here the automated attendant say cancel. This gets you to a higher level rep. Tell the about the problems and you are disappoint that you paid full price and now you have all these problems and the OTA update did not correct them. You are loosing data connection and they stay off for long periods of time. Tell them you have already been to a store and they changed your SIM card and that you have already talked to tech support and factory master reset with them twice and they said it is defective. You said you would give it another chance but it did not get any better. Now hopefully they will process you a exchange and send it to you and then you send yours back..
I hope this help and you get a good one. If all else fails go through HTC.
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I brought this mytouch off Craigslist by trading with my G2. The phone is starting some problems as with not turning the screen on when after a phone call and I got the bad screen on it.
Now I don't know if this phone is stolen or not or the person got it from the insurance by claiming Its lost.
Now do you think T-Mobile will exchnage it? I can't deal with the screen not turning on anymore so yeah.
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Sounds like a software bug. Try a factory reset before you do anything.
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I brought this mytouch off Craigslist by trading with my G2. The phone is starting some problems as with not turning the screen on when after a phone call and I got the bad screen on it.
Now I don't know if this phone is stolen or not or the person got it from the insurance by claiming Its lost.
Now do you think T-Mobile will exchnage it? I can't deal with the screen not turning on anymore so yeah.
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I've bought a few different phones off Craigslist and got them all exchanged through warranty. As long as its still under the manufacturers warranty they should exchange it. All they did was look up the imei to verify its still under warranty. This is my experience with T-Mob, so I don't see why you shouldn't be able to exchange it. Now, if its a stolen or lost phone, they might not. Let us know how it goes for you. Hope you get a good one.
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This is the kind of thing of why i dont want to buy one off ebay or cl, i dont mind but i know it will be a phone i will have for a long time so id rather buy it brand new.
Trust ME
as long as you have insurance which is 5.99 a month for the php bundle then it will cover the phone...just call in do troubleshooting and hey will replace it as long as there not liquid damage or physical damage....u dont pay anything not even shipping and hanlding
Alright, I'm going to give it a shot today.
This took ne at a surprise, I went and logged on to my T-Mobile and it shows the white mytouch as my phone... so I'm guessing they already know I have a mytouch?
so alright thanks for the replies everyone. I'll call in this afternoon and see what the deal is. Thanks.
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this is the kind of thing of why i dont want to buy one off ebay or cl, i dont mind but i know it will be a phone i will have for a long time so id rather buy it brand new.
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i agree with you 100%
bobsbbq THANK you soo much for that detailed post and everyone else.
I called and told them about the screen not turning back after a phone call, and they went ahead and replaced it for me. I hope I get a good screen and one that turns on after a phone call. Thanks everyone
Told ya. Tmo customer service is excellent. I even got a watered damage G1 replaced.
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I can't express how.much I wanna say thank you. I just hope it comes before this 3 day weekend and with the Sony screen. Thanks guys.
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insurance is crazy 6 bucks a month thats 72 bucks a year on a phone you paid 100 bucks for
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insurance is crazy 6 bucks a month thats 72 bucks a year on a phone you paid 100 bucks for
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For someone like me that switches phones alot and usually pays full or close to full price the insurance its nice. It would suck if it was like sprints insurance where you gotta pay a deductible.
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I think T-Mobile does also make you pay a deductible also. Not sure, but I do change phones a lot and not sure if insurance would cover non T-Mobile phones like the iPhone.
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Lockeskidney not everyone sells there soul by signing 2year contract and having to pay more than its actually worth. Now lets say this as I never considered insurance. I usually buy the device without contract at full price from valid vendor now if I lose it how much is the deductible? I am sure everyone ATM here some how doing insurance fraud false claiming it as lost.
I know it's a dead horse. And some people get have different results. But yesterday I tried to exchange my G2X due to freezing, reboots, and lock ups while on wall charger (running official GB). (This is still my first G2X, my past exchange attempt was to get less screen bleed which failed.)
This time the agent told me they are aware of issues post update install and can do nothing. Then they told me I have to wait until LG has a fix. This is the same results I got when I complained of screen bleed and was denied a replacement due to that.
I usually don't get too excited, but based on principal this is beat. I know it's nothing new to some of you but I'm not sure where to go next. I really want to see if LG will ever own up to this and anything else, but I'm sure my issues are hardware based.
T-Mobile: There is a known issue with this phone after the 2.3 update. At this time, there is no further information I need.
T-Mobile: LG is aware of this issue and are working closely to resolve the issue.
Francis Scardino: ok.
T-Mobile: I am unable to process an exchange for you.
T-Mobile: I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
Francis Scardino: So what do I do?
T-Mobile: You would have to wait until LG comes to a resolution for this issue.
Francis Scardino: I was told that last time about the light bleeding through the screen issues. The phone is not really reliable right now and I need it for work and do not have a home phone. There must be another resolution.
T-Mobile: I definitely understand, Francis. However, this phone does have a few known issues. This is the only thing that we can advise you of.
Francis Scardino: That's quite disappointing. I understand you can only do what you are allowed to do, but I have to find some other resolution. I cannot afford for my phone to turn off while charging at night, my job requires 24 hour on call.
Francis Scardino: Is there an escalation contact I can call. I have to come up with something other than buying a new phone. This one is not very old.
Francis Scardino: I just changed my contract to 2 years, and there is no equipment discount. I'm stuck.
T-Mobile: Unfortunately, there is no escalation process for this issue.
T-Mobile: We can set up call forwarding so that whoever calls your cell phone it will go to another phone.
Try to actually go into a T-Mobile store and make a big deal there
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I hate to say it, laissez-faire kinda guy that I am, but we need some kind of consumer protection legislation to prevent this kind of passing the buck.
Get on the phone and call a live person - ask for tech support, not a customer rep.
Sorry to hear that. I am currently on my second (freezing 3x a day) phone and I was offered another G2X exchange but I refused it. I told them they were just passing around refurb junk sent in by other G2X owners. To my surprise, I was offered a full upgrade (Got Tmobile in April 2011 with 2 year contract). It was a customer service rep that actually gave me that. I thought it was bs so I called back a week later to verify that the early full upgrade was noted in my account and it is. I would only be able to get a phone at the Tmobile website or at a corporate store. They said it would be 80% off the retail price. I am waiting for the Samsung Hercules to use that early full upgrade. I'm pretty sure they log every time you called in with notes of the reason of the call. I called in about 5 times (at least) so I think that's why I was offered the early upgrade. I would try calling in again at a different time. Try early morning around 7AM and then 8PM. That way you wont get the same person. You will get different results with different people you speak with. Call them again and good luck.
I was able to get another replacement overnighted to me yesterday... It should be here today. I did it all through the Live Chat online. I told them my phone would shutoff by itself, and it would require a battery pull, and he issued a replacement for me.
If I were you, I would just keep on trying until they offered to send you a replacement. It's worth multiple tries.
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I hate to say it, laissez-faire kinda guy that I am, but we need some kind of consumer protection legislation to prevent this kind of passing the buck.
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And you care about concealing water damage for the purpose of returning it to these thieves? T-Mobile knows for a damn fact there is good G2X's out there. They just don't want to give this gug another one in fear he might get another damaged G2X since it appears to be a 75% chance he would. Exchanging phones cost them money but they could give a **** less that we spent our hard earned money for a phone that we sometimes can't even use.
We signed a contract with T-Mobile and they entered into a contract with us to provide use with products and service as advertised. You see. I believe in a eye for a eye and two wrongs do make a right. You **** me over and I will **** you over twice as bad
Tmobile customer service is going to ****. Hear you have someone who's phone is not working as expected but they don't want to exchange it because it costs them money. T-Mobile knows there are good G2X'w out there. If all of them had problems then every customer who has one would be calling. I don't even care about the merger anymore. Its apparent T-Mobile is prepping for it quite well.
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I will certainly try again. I just can't wonder if this whole debacle will ever bring a full resolution. Is LG working on something? Are they just buying time to phase it out? What will those who have similar results like me have in the future? Will a fully fixed G2x ever hit the shelves..?
Anyone who got a replacement within the last week, what model number phone did you get?
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And you care about concealing water damage for the purpose of returning it to these thieves? T-Mobile knows for a damn fact there is good G2X's out there. They just don't want to give this gug another one in fear he might get another damaged G2X since it appears to be a 75% chance he would. Exchanging phones cost them money but they could give a **** less that we spent our hard earned money for a phone that we sometimes can't even use.
We signed a contract with T-Mobile and they entered into a contract with us to provide use with products and service as advertised. You see. I believe in a eye for a eye and two wrongs do make a right. You **** me over and I will **** you over twice as bad
Tmobile customer service is going to ****. Hear you have someone who's phone is not working as expected but they don't want to exchange it because it costs them money. T-Mobile knows there are good G2X'w out there. If all of them had problems then every customer who has one would be calling. I don't even care about the merger anymore. Its apparent T-Mobile is prepping for it quite well.
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T-Mo doesn't want o give him another phone because they will have to pay for it out of their own pocket. LG will not give you a new phone because they are incompetent manufacturers, along with being liars and thieves, ...while T-Mo simply can't afford to give away phones that they have to pay for.
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T-Mo doesn't want o give him another phone because they will have to pay for it out of their own pocket. LG will not give you a new phone because they are incompetent manufacturers, along with being liars and thieves, ...while T-Mo simply can't afford to give away phones that they have to pay for.
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T-Mobile can afford it. Their a multi billion dollar company. They sold you a phone to use on their network and it is up to them to make sure it works as advertised for 1 year from purchase. After this ends, T-Mobile can try to recupe their losses from LG but its known policy, their responsible for making sure that phone works within the first year providing the damage was not done by the customer. There is no ifs ands or butts about it. It is what it is and their beating around the bush. Do you think the middle class wooing man has enough money to keep buying phones because its provider wont provide him with a working one? This is bad business and you know it. I don't care if returning G2X's placed them into bankruptcy. The customer is always right and they must fix it.
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it is up to them to make sure it works as advertised for 1 year from purchase.
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Incorrect.
The manufacturer is responsible for the warranty in virtually every industry.
Yeah I had no luck with chat support I had to call in when the replacement was bad.
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Incorrect.
The manufacturer is responsible for the warranty in virtually every industry.
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Yes, the manufacture is ultimately responsible for the warranty but it is up to your providor to be the middle man and exchange the phone for you. They then send the defective phone back to the manufacture to be fixed, replaced or reimbursed.
It is up to the company you purchased the phone from to replace the phone. I didn't buy a phone from LG. I gave my money to T-Mobile who purchased the phone from LG. If I purchase the phone through Amazon then I would contact them for a replacement. If I buy a phone from a middle man than I expect that middle man to fulfill their end of the deal by making sure the device they sold me is not defective and can be used as advertised.
Its a very simple concept for anyone to understand. I know this to be the case since T-Mobile, the middle man exchanges multiple phones every single day.
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If you purchase a product from Best Buy or Walmart, and that product fails after the retailer's return policy has expired you are almost certainly responsible for contacting the manufacturer yourself. Most retailers have 30 day or even 14 day return policies depending on the product.
Arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel... you haven't made a valid point yet!
This whole G2X thing is garbage anyways.
Three months ago, I called into T-Mobile and did a contract renewal. I ordered 4 G2X's and 1 Defy for my 11 year old daughter...never would I have thought the Defy would be the best device in the bunch. It just works.
I called in within the first week about the phones shutting off, GPS taking over 25 minutes on 1 device to get a lock and was assured its all software and that LG is getting ready to release a software upgrade that will fix the issues, I should have sent them back and been done at that point instead of trusting what T-Mobile told me. Instead I had 4 replacements sent at one time, sent 3 of them back as they were worse than the originals. T-Mobile then sent me 3 more, fail. When I called back I asked to just send them back and was told i was past my 14 day period, even though it was noted on my account that I had called in previously in regards to sending them back and was told about the software update...that didnt change anything.
Next they decided the batteries were bad so they sent me 4 batteries, well that didnt solve a damn thing. They had me at that point contact LG, that got me a big "your a consumer, we cant offer any details on an updated software, but if you like you can send your phones back to us and we will send you replacements or fix the ones you have". Basically no go with that either.
Back to calling T-Mobile as I noticed now I had $100.00 charge on my bill for them sending me replacement phones!! The lines with insurance were only charged 5 bucks, the other 2 were charged $20!! They were unwilling to waive the fee's when I called about them! However they offered me replacement phones again if I wanted, and naturally at $50 bucks shipping again, I said no I wont pay for shipping again and finally got to loyalty and they waived the shipping if I wanted to try again, which knowing it wouldnt help did anyways just for the chance..I was right, it didnt help.
Then finally the wonderful, magical, all ending software update came...ta-da! Finally! Nope, wait. Still have the same issues, just not nearly as often as before. It seems to be about once a day now that one of the phones will shut off randomly, The GPS is a bit better on 3 of the phones but mine, nope. Still takes a good 10 minutes to get a lock.
When I called T-Mobile to tell them this great "fix" they were promising me didnt do a damn thing they said they know, and that the software update had been recalled but LG is currently working on a fix and to just give it time, they would not offer me anymore replacements as it doesnt seem to fix "MY" issues..lol, wtf T-Mobile. Kiss my ass.
I ended up filling a complaint with the BBB, I dont know if it will help or do anything at all but honestly, way I see it is it cant hurt. That was Sunday evening, I dont know how long it takes to hear anything back, or if I will at all but we will see.
T-Mobile use to be awesome, I am an old SunCom customer and when T-Mobile took over SunCom I was leery of what may become of the company I loved, T-Mobile really stepped it up and I had no complaints, recently though they pretty much just suck. I dont know what provider I will go with next but it wont be T-Mobile, yet I hate Verizon, Sprints horrible, AT&T with the merger..maybe I dont need phones anymore lol ffs.
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I will certainly try again. I just can't wonder if this whole debacle will ever bring a full resolution. Is LG working on something? Are they just buying time to phase it out? What will those who have similar results like me have in the future? Will a fully fixed G2x ever hit the shelves..?
Anyone who got a replacement within the last week, what model number phone did you get?
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My replacement just came in about an hour ago with Gingerbread pre-installed. The model number is LG-P999DW. (Checked LG Updated), so it is NOT a refurb!
Dude this is EXACTLY what's happened to me. I've had 4 exchanges and the caller rep said very matter of factly 'Sorry, we can no longer offer you a G2x exchange. Either keep the G2x you have or we'll send you out a comparable phone, the G2.' I got into explaining how that decision doesn't make any sense since I'm holding up my end of the deal by paying my bill...blah, blah, blah. And he said 'The device I'm told I can offer you today is the G2.' By some of the responses, I guess I'll just keep calling in until someone breaks down. I would LOVE to get $$ toward a Hercules, but it sounds like that's the good fortune of who you talk to.
Dude this is EXACTLY what's happened to me. I've had 4 exchanges and the caller rep said very matter of factly 'Sorry, we can no longer offer you a G2x exchange. Either keep the G2x you have or we'll send you out a comparable phone, the G2.' I got into explaining how that decision doesn't make any sense since I'm holding up my end of the deal by paying my bill...blah, blah, blah. And he said 'The device I'm told I can offer you today is the G2.' By some of the responses, I guess I'll just keep calling in until someone breaks down. I would LOVE to get $$ toward a Hercules, but it sounds like that's the good fortune of who you talk to.
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If you purchase a product from Best Buy or Walmart, and that product fails after the retailer's return policy has expired you are almost certainly responsible for contacting the manufacturer yourself. Most retailers have 30 day or even 14 day return policies depending on the product.
Arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel... you haven't made a valid point yet!
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Best Buy and Wal-Mart provide you merchandice but not a service. You don't pay them a monthly fee to lease a product from them. If you sign a contract and purchase a phone for the subsidized price, you are pretty much leasing the phone.
T-Mobile has been exchanging devices with the first year since I can remember. Hell, they exchanged 5 G2X's for me and 3 Sensations within the past 4 months. You can provide a service for one of your customers and not the next. An attorney would eat this alive in a court of law. By their POLICY they need to provide you with a working replacement or exchange your device for another comparable one of equal or lesser value. They CANT just tell you to suck it up and keep paying them monthly for something that doesn't work.
I don't understand why you can't comprehend this. Instead you want to compare Best Buy to a mobile service providor which is apples and oranges. Last time I checked. You don't enter into a contract or pay a monthly fee for a service to Best Buy.
Get off Tmobiles nuts and realize your wrong.
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Very interesting discussion...
I can tell you in no uncertain terms that ultimately LG is responsible for the product. The argument that you "Bought" the phone from T-Mobile, or you "leased" the product from T-Mobile is invalid. Your warranty is with LG.
We were all allowed 14 or 30 days to return the phone. Of course most of us held out for the "update/fix" until it was too late to return.
THIS is why I worked to find another remedy to the situation and ultimately had the class action law suit filed.
For any of you wanting further information about the CAL, contact my attorney directly.
http://www.doylelowther.com/class-action-against-lg-electronics-p999g2x/
what does Tmobile do with the lost phone in question? do they disable it ? I'm wondering how they prevent people from selling their phones and getting a replacement under warranty for a profit..?
Not sure but they know. Put your sim in another phone, call them, they will be able to tell you exactly what phone you have.
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Let's say my friend, Swim, has a Tmobile phone that he has insured through their PHP plan. He knows that if it were stolen or he lost it, it would cost him $130 to replace. He also knows that he could easily get $250-350 if he decided to sell his phone. So he is thinking about selling his phone and then just telling Tmobile that he lost it, so that he not only gets a newish replacement phone (possibly even an upgrade), but also pockets over 120 bones. Question is, does Tmobile deactivate his first phone somehow, so that whoever bought his original phone is essentially screwed?
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Let's say my friend, Swim, has a Tmobile phone that he has insured through their PHP plan. He knows that if it were stolen or he lost it, it would cost him $130 to replace. He also knows that he could easily get $250-350 if he decided to sell his phone. So he is thinking about selling his phone and then just telling Tmobile that he lost it, so that he not only gets a newish replacement phone (possibly even an upgrade), but also pockets over 120 bones. Question is, does Tmobile deactivate his first phone somehow, so that whoever bought his original phone is essentially screwed?
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Nope the person may not beable to use it!!!!it's a 50/50 chance long as the other person does not try n give Tmobile the imei # they should be gd
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I have 2 things to say, and they're contradictory.
1. Official T-Mobile PHP Handset Protection FAQ (http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1722) : Says phone will be disabled. Specifically:
All lost or stolen devices will be blocked from access to the T-Mobile network. Devices claimed as lost and stolen will no longer function on the T-Mobile network.
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2. I used to be a tier 2 T-Mobile PDA Tech Support rep. I never once had a customer's phone not work due to being stolen/blacklisted. Not once. It was not in any of our troubleshooting steps to check such a thing either. As far as I was aware, there was NO WAY to block a stolen phone on T-Mobile and that's what we told customers.
Things might have changed - it's been about 18 months since the location I worked at was completely laid off and shut down. A lot can happen in that time.
Now.... do you want to take the chance? Go for it. But don't say you weren't warned.
So, let me get this right. You are asking in a public forum about committing insurance fraud and the forum has recorded your IP address also. Insurance fraud is a felony in most States. Makes perfect sense to discuss it here. If anyone on the forums assists you in any way then you have both committed conspiracy to commit insurance fraud. Conspiracy in and of itself is a crime even if you never go ahead and commit the crime. Smart.
I have recovered the phone that was stolen from my daughter. It is with out it's SIM card. I was instructed to contact the insurance company. They offered up the option to return the new phone and pay a restocking fee of $20.00 for a refund of the remainder of my copay. When I reminded them that the older phone had no SIM they took back their offer and wanted me to return that phone and eat the $169.00 copay. I was not about to to just loose the money over some thief. I would have been will to work with them because we are dealing with two used phones now but to eat the whole amount is unacceptable. Then we discussed getting a new SIM and my keeping the phone as I pointed out until I recovered it and when we made our claim which was satisfied they had no reason to believe they would ever see it again. That I felt like I had fulfilled my obligations and that I had in fact payed for the phones. They did not seem to care one way or the other. So, Here are my Questions. Can a new SIM be used in the old SGS3? IF so and it is made activatable by the insurance company. How much is it worth? Or should I just keep it for a back up. Has anyone had experience with anything like this. I realize it is unusual to recover a stolen phone but this was a young teenager. I don't think her family can afford to make restitution but I can' afford to loose $169.00 and have nothing to show for it. Oh did I mention that this all happened in the span of twenty five days. I signed contract on the first. the phone was stolen on the fifth and returned to me on the twenty fifth. Help? Thoughts? eSecuritel Customer Care Group Is the insurance provider I am dealing with. I hope this explains the difference In what some are telling me. Asurion Is not known to me. I have not heard of them or it outside this forum.
They will blacklist the phone and it will not work on Verizon. You could probably flash it to prepaid and get it to work. It is bad that you are trying to be honest and getting the shaft. I would raise immortal hell until someone gave me a credit, they will eventually get tired of hearing it or you may get lucky and talk to a rep willing to do the right thing and help you. Good luck.
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I have recovered the phone that was stolen from my daughter. It is with out it's SIM card. I was instructed to contact the insurance company. They offered up the option to return the new phone and pay a restocking fee of $20.00 for a refund of the remainder of my copay. When I reminded them that the older phone had no SIM they took back their offer and wanted me to return that phone and eat the $169.00 copay. I was not about to to just loose the money over some thief. I would have been will to work with them because we are dealing with two used phones now but to eat the whole amount is unacceptable. Then we discussed getting a new SIM and my keeping the phone as I pointed out until I recovered it and when we made our claim which was satisfied they had no reason to believe they would ever see it again. That I felt like I had fulfilled my obligations and that I had in fact payed for the phones. They did not seem to care one way or the other. So, Here are my Questions. Can a new SIM be used in the old SGS3? IF so and it is made activatable by the insurance company. How much is it worth? Or should I just keep it for a back up. Has anyone had experience with anything like this. I realize it is unusual to recover a stolen phone but this was a young teenager. I don't think her family can afford to make restitution but I can' afford to loose $169.00 and have nothing to show for it. Oh did I mention that this all happened in the span of twenty five days. I signed contract on the first. the phone was stolen on the fifth and returned to me on the twenty fifth. Help? Thoughts?
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I would keep both phones, your old phone is practical brand new. Reaction usually cost around $30, if you sign up as a second line with Verizon, they will give you a new SIM for the old phone. Or you could try to reactivate the old phone and sell the new one or vice versa. Keeping as a backup is kind of a big waist. Unless you lose it again, because the S3 going to last a long time.
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I have recovered the phone that was stolen from my daughter. It is with out it's SIM card. I was instructed to contact the insurance company. They offered up the option to return the new phone and pay a restocking fee of $20.00 for a refund of the remainder of my copay. When I reminded them that the older phone had no SIM they took back their offer and wanted me to return that phone and eat the $169.00 copay. I was not about to to just loose the money over some thief. I would have been will to work with them because we are dealing with two used phones now but to eat the whole amount is unacceptable. Then we discussed getting a new SIM and my keeping the phone as I pointed out until I recovered it and when we made our claim which was satisfied they had no reason to believe they would ever see it again. That I felt like I had fulfilled my obligations and that I had in fact payed for the phones. They did not seem to care one way or the other. So, Here are my Questions. Can a new SIM be used in the old SGS3? IF so and it is made activatable by the insurance company. How much is it worth? Or should I just keep it for a back up. Has anyone had experience with anything like this. I realize it is unusual to recover a stolen phone but this was a young teenager. I don't think her family can afford to make restitution but I can' afford to loose $169.00 and have nothing to show for it. Oh did I mention that this all happened in the span of twenty five days. I signed contract on the first. the phone was stolen on the fifth and returned to me on the twenty fifth. Help? Thoughts?
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Keep your old phone and sell the "new" one. You can put an activated SIM card in your old phone even if it is blacklisted. You just can't activate a new SIM card with blacklisted phones. You should also tell asurion to go f themselves. Can't believe they're trying to screw honest people.
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the esn is bad on the old phone...so its black listed from verizons network. sell it to a dev for 200 bucks or something and recoop your monies.
$169?
I have TEC with Verizon, paying $6.99/mo, which includes Asurion.
The listed deductible is $99 for a lost or stolen "Advanced Device," which includes the S3.
Confirmed by Verizon.
$169 deductible is for an iphone.
See Advanced Devices:
http://m-support.verizonwireless.com/clc/features/calling_features/equipment_protection.html
As far as the bad ESN because it was initially reported as stolen... call Verizon and they can remove it from the list. This happened with an old phone of mine. I thought that my brother in law had stolen it when we kicked him out. I called to report it stolen and about a week later I found it. So I called Verizon again and they removed it from the list.
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Even if it is on the blacklist you can use it with a working SIM card. You just can't activate a new SIM card
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Biker1 said:
$169?
I have TEC with Verizon, paying $6.99/mo, which includes Asurion.
The listed deductible is $99 for a lost or stolen "Advanced Device," which includes the S3.
Confirmed by Verizon.
$169 deductible is for an iphone.
See Advanced Devices:
I assure you that what I have services the SGS3. eSecuritel Customer Care Group Is who I am dealing with and they are charging me $10.99 per phone per month. I was told the difference would be that if there was a claim I would be able to take care of it in house instead of having to deal with mailing the phones back and forth. I was offered insurance that would have been billed through Verizon at time of signing but took this as it sounded as though it cut out some red tape.
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Biker1 said:
$169?
I have TEC with Verizon, paying $6.99/mo, which includes Asurion.
The listed deductible is $99 for a lost or stolen "Advanced Device," which includes the S3.
Confirmed by Verizon.
$169 deductible is for an iphone.
See Advanced Devices:
I assure you that what I have services the SGS3. eSecuritel Customer Care Group Is who I am dealing with and they are charging me $10.99 per phone per month. I was told the difference would be that if there was a claim I would be able to take care of it in house instead of having to deal with mailing the phones back and forth. I was offered insurance that would have been billed through Verizon at time of signing but took this as it sounded as though it cut out some red tape.
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Never heard of eSecuritel, but doesn't sound like such a great deal, as compared to TEC with Asurion offered by Verizon.
Sounds like eSecuritel gave you a 'line'.
I've dealt with Asurion before when I was with Sprint, and received a replacement a couple of times over the years, within a day, or was it 2.
Anyway, hardly any red tape, if any at all
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Call verizon to get the stolen phone off the bad esn list. Tell them it has been recovered. It can then be reactivated either with a new sim (on a new line) or with the old one (on the old number).
Next time buy asurion insurance from a Verizon corporate store and pay 6.99/Mo and pay a $95 deductible.
Moral: Never buy your daughter an expensive phone.
So I know this type of discussion isn't really related to developing but since this forum was basically THE Android forum for me, I would like to get the word out here. I don't want another victim like me to happen; I hope this will help any future phone buyers from falling into the trap I did. This is going to be a long story but I hope I can clear up all this confusion about used phones, so strap in!
I bought an iPhone 4S last year from a guy on Craigslist; he offered to meet at an AT&T store to verify the clean IMEI and this action alone made me go against my gut instincts, which were telling me this guy looked kind of sketch. He was a white male in his late thirties, pot belly and dressed really sloppily; also had a slight hunch. But you can't judge a book by it's cover right? His story was that this was his wife's iPhone and that he sold his own a few days ago because he wanted a Samsung Galaxy S3; the phone had one more year on-contract and came with the original box so I knew it wasn't stolen. I gave him my $400 after inspecting the phone and left. Fast-forward to this week...
The phone was given to my dad to use on AT&T a month ago; I used the phone on T-Mobile for almost a year and nothing unusual came up. Just two weeks ago, my dad started getting messages saying "This device has been blocked from network use. Please call your service provider..." Not making much of it or even feeling any panic because I was that naive, I thought to myself "no way the previous owner would call in a year later to blacklist his phone. Who would even do that?" I called AT&T and after an hour, the representative was getting annoyed and said "I'll open up a case; wait three days." Three days pass and I had no word from them; I called in again and after another hour l found out my case was closed and got transferred to the supervisor. To sum up what he said: the phone was fine on T-Mobile until it was registered in the AT&T system, the owner can block a phone years down the line because the "30 days since it's loss" translates to "30 days since it's last been used by ANYONE," and that even if I have proof I bought the phone, only the original owner can remove it from the blacklist. So wireless carrier's have this huge hole in their policy that creates victims for people who buy phones secondhand and they honestly don't give a crap because it earns them money. I asked "so there is NOTHING to protect people like me? You can't even tell the police who this guy is?" He brushed me off and told me to call the police and open up a case, even if the police do get involved though, he said their company will stay quiet.
So I ended the call, speechless and dumbfounded. Lost, confused, and frustrated, I went to the police station in my city, but it turns out I lived outside the city limits so I had to call a dispatcher in another county; after the short conversation, the dispatcher told me to wait for an officer to call. The straightforward police officer, being much more friendly and understanding than the people at AT&T told me "since the phone wasn't actually stolen, it's a civil issue; the only thing you can do is try to find this guy and take it to court. We don't get involved in these kinds of matter. I know it's tough to accept but the wireless companies just want profit and this policy that creates victims like you gets them what they want. This happens all the time and us police officers can't do anything about it. I'm sorry for your loss and I really wish I could help but this is the truth; you're left to your own devices now. Whenever you buy a phone secondhand YOU TAKE A HUGE RISK!" I'm hung-up the the phone in a better mood than I was because someone actually had sympathy for what had happened to me. Left here with just an e-mail address, I knew there was no hope of finding this guy; this person that was a criminal in a moral sense, and yet was not in a legal sense. What this guy did, the police officer said it's COMPLETELY LEGAL!
So the best I could do was go on Craigslist again and find someone who wanted a phone with a bad IMEI for parts or use overseas; I guess luck and karma were on my side and this guy quickly responded, wanting to buy the phone for $200. It turns out he worked for a company that fixes phones and ships them overseas to sell. I knew this guy, who was in his late twenties and rotund, was trained in buying phones; he brought a toothbrush, SIM card remover, and various other tools to inspect the device. I was uneasy during and after the deal; left scarred and paranoid from the previous Craigslist experience. To show how paranoid I was, I even went to a bank teller, asking him to check if the money he gave me was fake. After this ordeal, I realized that spending that extra $300 to buy a brand new phone is worth it; all this stress, mental exhaustion, and time is worth saving by putting down that extra money.
But the problem wasn't over; I bought a T-Mobile HTC One on Swappa for myself when I gave my iPhone 4S to my dad, although from a trusted seller, I knew I could not risk it anymore. Even though I know this guy's name, address, PayPal account, and had proof of purchase, I was still powerless; the wireless and insurance companies don't care about the facts. The merit of facts flies out the window and all they do is put their fingers in their ears and scream "OUR POLICY!" But I remembered during the escapade with the AT&T supervisor, he said I could have transferred the ownership of the phone. To get my facts straight, I went to T-Mobile with all the evidence I had saying I bought this phone from Swappa; I didn't bother with the bottom-feeders and went straight to the manager. Guess what he said? "We can't tap into the system and transfer ownership of a phone since it's tied to a contract. The best we can do it make a note on YOUR account that you bought this phone; this won't prevent it from being blacklisted but it will help if you decide to escalate the issue to Asurion (the insurance company)." Now I thought to myself, "would Asurion even give a damn?" The answer: NO; no they would not. They would most likely try to push the responsibility to someone else and dismiss this huge hole that creates helpless victims because their business runs on customers "losing" their phones or getting it "stolen," and then paying them to replace it.
After all this time wasted trying to get to the bottom of things, I'm left with the cold hard truth: you WILL get burned if you buy a used phone and there is NOTHING you can do about it! NOTHING! The best you can do is to take matters into your own hands and sue; the companies don't care and the police can't help! Save yourself from what has happened to me; just spend that extra $300 to buy a new phone. It's worth every penny for that extra security because this world is full of people who will take advantage of you! I can already feel my idealism fading...
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I bought an iPhone 4S last year from a guy on Craigslist.
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I'm sorry this happened, but you purchased the phone off of craiglist!! You should of known better a simple google search would of told you about the dangers.
That was a long read but well worth it sorry that happened to you man, But i think recommending people not buy a second hand phone is somewhat extreme not everyone is a crook and are out to get you.
Anyway glad you were able to recoup half of the money back.
I often meet with someone on the way to sell me a second-hand mobile phone, I did not bother these people.
I bought my HTC one s from a local pawn shop. It was a fido phone which I unlocked and use on Telus network. So basically as long as you buy a phone which was not on the carrier you are going to use it on, then you are completely safe right?
Could you not have still switched that iPhone back to T-Mobile?
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I bought my HTC one s from a local pawn shop. It was a fido phone which I unlocked and use on Telus network. So basically as long as you buy a phone which was not on the carrier you are going to use it on, then you are completely safe right?
Could you not have still switched that iPhone back to T-Mobile?
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Well the problem is that carriers in the U.S. are starting to share the same blacklist; AT&T, T-Mobile, and the other smaller wireless companies under them share the same list. Once you get blacklisted on one carrier, you're blacklisted by most now.
Thanks for the info.. glad you told.the story. I know this now heh.. sorry for what happened
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Thanks for the story.
I think it is pretty safe to buy second hand unlocked phone...
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Well the problem is that carriers in the U.S. are starting to share the same blacklist; AT&T, T-Mobile, and the other smaller wireless companies under them share the same list. Once you get blacklisted on one carrier, you're blacklisted by most now.
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This applies to me as well. Without getting into too much detail: Purchased a late model android phone from Craigslist, an unlocked AT&T branded device and I use T Mobile. Fast forward until 2 weeks ago the phone would no longer make calls and gave me a specific error code which I forget now. Turns out that code meant "stolen or lost device" and it would no longer work on any US cellular networks.
Someone who isn't me was unsuccessful in changing the number that shall remain nameless in order to get the phone working again.... that is all
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Well the problem is that carriers in the U.S. are starting to share the same blacklist; AT&T, T-Mobile, and the other smaller wireless companies under them share the same list. Once you get blacklisted on one carrier, you're blacklisted by most now.
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Now i am living in europe, so this doesnt really bother me, yet i am still curious: what if you buy a htc one (for example) that someone had with contract, and root it? Would it still be in a blacklist? And for the iphones: does a jailbreak do the trick to get the phone going again?
Also, sorry for your experiences :/
Greets Vauvenal7
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Now i am living in europe, so this doesnt really bother me, yet i am still curious: what if you buy a htc one (for example) that someone had with contract, and root it? Would it still be in a blacklist? And for the iphones: does a jailbreak do the trick to get the phone going again?
Also, sorry for your experiences :/
Greets Vauvenal7
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Nope. Software modifications won't do anything as your IMEI has been blacklisted. The only way around that is a new motherboard.
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@ yorkie8888
*Interesting read, Sorry to hear what happened, everyone else, I'm from London UK and was wondering if anyone else had experienced anything similar to yorkie here in the UK?
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Anyone know if this affects Canada the same? For example using an unlocked fido/rogers phone on Telus. Do they share a blacklist too?
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This I feel has to be said:
Your spent $400 on a USED iPhone?
Buying used phones entails some downsides, like not getting to claim warranty, and this blacklisting thing is really sad, but, meh, that's why we buy them cheap.
Also, I feel the lesson here is, take precautions when buying second-hand, for instance, leave the phone unused for 31+ days. Buy a bat and work out. Take incriminating photos of the seller, etc.
Anyway isn't it possible -although illegal, I know- to change your IMEI?
Seems to be "common" losing/changing it when flashing ROMs.
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Thanks for the info
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Thanks for sharing this info.
So what is the point of someone blacklisting a phone a year later? Do they get a insurance claim or something.
I have bought used sprint phones for years, but now that I am using a phone (tmobile) with a sim card/imei it seems that you are more likely to get screwed.
Does swappa and PayPal not protect against this issue? And if not what the hell is swappa charging the customer $10/transaction for?
I am almost positive I got this same error a couple of years ago on a phone purchased directly from AT&T. It was a bad SIM card. I wasn't able to make calls or anything. They replaced the SIM and it worked. So for those who buy a used phone and get that error, check your SIM card first.
I've been buying and selling used phones for the last 2 years and never had an issue. I've don't buy off craigslist though, I stick to swappa or ebay where you have some protection via paypal. Yes you always run the risk of someone reporting the device lost/stolen after the sale, but that's why you only buy from reputable/rated sellers and skip on anything that looks too good to be true.
I'm sorry to hear you got screwed on your iphone, but I wouldn't consider your experience the norm. As for the warranty/insurance issue on your other phone, that's just how it is, do your research. The warranty only applies to the original buyer of the device (when bought through an authorized retailer). Same with insurance, you can only add it in a certain time frame when you've bought the phone from an authorized retailer.
However, some carries do have an "open enrollment" where you can add insurance to your device regardless of when/where you bought it. Verizon actually has it going on right now through Dec 2.