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Warranty, LG or Tmobile for the G2X

I bought the G2X on Ebay full price. I do have some backlight issues, as of now i am ok with it, i was wondering in case if the backlight bleed increases, what is my recourse, Do i contact LG or Tmobile to warranty the phone, Any ideas? Thanks.

well since you bought it ebay i would first see what their return/warranty policy is if that doesn't work i would go with LG you should at least have a year warrant on it.

Contact LG Mobile!
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Actually going through this right now with Live chat. going a bit slow, but moving a long.
Good luck!

Please let me know what happens because I have a similar issue. Tmibile refused to do a warranty exchange on a 3 week old phone.
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I bought my G2x through Amazonwireless and now I'm hearing that Tmobile has pulled it from their web store? I'm outside the 30 days to return to Amazon already and I don't even really know who to talk to.
Were you able to get anywhere with LG?

usajlh said:
I bought my G2x through Amazonwireless and now I'm hearing that Tmobile has pulled it from their web store? I'm outside the 30 days to return to Amazon already and I don't even really know who to talk to.
Were you able to get anywhere with LG?
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Don't fret. Sometimes they pull the device for stock and marketing reasons. If they pulled it for Qc then I damn well want a replacement or exchange for phone of equal value ie htc sensation
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I believe T-Mobile's Asurion covers the g2x...it doesn't matter where u bought it.because as soon as your sim card insertedand you make a few calls their system will recieve info as to which phone it is and etc.if you already have a insurance plan conjoined when u got the phone you should be good.
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are any of you guys developers? or just users of the phone? i would like to hear developer opinions on this also.

G2X/Sensation Exchange Question?

I purchased my G2X 4/19 through the retentions department and never exchanged yet. It's been fairly good to me so far other than the internet dns issues. I have been waiting around for the updates to come but who knows when that will come. I am now experiencing random reboots and phone getting hot in my pocket for no reason. I want to call in report the issues to tmobile for an exchange but really would hate to receive a refurb device and only to receive a worse device than I have.
I know the website has been showing out of stock for the last month but does TMobile have devices readily available for exchanges or are those also out of stock? I'm trying to figure out if I could somehow use this in my favor if I can ask them if I could have a sensation instead?

I have been lied to so many times by different reps. One says they can give ne the galaxy s 4g for free (which I don't want). The other says I could pay $50 to get the sensation. I said no to that. The next Rep stated there are no offers other than exchanging for the same thing. I am on my fourth G2X and it is getting rediculous. I emailed a long letter to a bunch of the corporate execs about this unacceptable and incobsistent service. We will see what happens. Their whole thing is that the g2x msrp is $499 whereas the sensation is $549. They say the sensation is a more expensive phone and you have to pay to "upgrade", even though it is the only comparable replacement at this point.
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Cyberdan3 said:
I have been lied to so many times by different reps. One says they can give ne the galaxy s 4g for free (which I don't want). The other says I could pay $50 to get the sensation. I said no to that. The next Rep stated there are no offers other than exchanging for the same thing. I am on my fourth G2X and it is getting rediculous. I emailed a long letter to a bunch of the corporate execs about this unacceptable and incobsistent service. We will see what happens. Their whole thing is that the g2x msrp is $499 whereas the sensation is $549. They say the sensation is a more expensive phone and you have to pay to "upgrade", even though it is the only comparable replacement at this point.
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Then pay the $50 and get the Sensation. If the Sensation is $50 more then it is $50 more. If you walked into a Tmobile store right now, they wouldn't sell you a Sensation for $500.
Basically they are giving you a refund of $500 to put toward another phone. That is pretty generous.
If the OP hasn't had any problems then I'm going to assume he hasn't called in any replacements. They typically don't offer other models until they've shipped out 3 replacements (the 4th offering a different make/model). I think the OP is asking whether they still have refurbs to send out... which I think they still do. So you'd probably have to go through the whole replacement process for a while, which isn't cool just to get a different phone.
I had a replacement shipped to me once and it had horrible backlight bleeding. I called and told them it was defective and shipped it back. My original phone I bricked but revived, thankfully.
All in all, I would call and ask and see what they say. If they send you a refurb, send it back it is worse off.

The only way your going to get a even replacement is getting a rep who actually knows about phones and is willing to get a supervisor override.
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how
how do i get the supervisor override done?

randyp007 said:
how do i get the supervisor override done?
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I wouldn't even know how to go about asking for one. I was just lucky enough to find a rep that was understanding. He put me on hold, talked to a supervisor and then put me on hold again while he went to his supervisors computer to do the override.

Did you had your phone running stock all this time?
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If I got my phone off CL am I SOL when it comes to an exchange?

i am wondering as the guy above me ^_^
i love my g2x, but the sensation is quite something

Horsey said:
If I got my phone off CL am I SOL when it comes to an exchange?
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WHat is CL? If you meant off contract then no your not SOL. I got my G2X off contract as well and I am still off contract even though I got a free Sensation and keep my G2X.

Craigslist he means.
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My phone has been stock this whole time besides a few apps here and there. I was getting bad battery life at first but did a restore which seemed to fix the issue. At this point i don't think im going to call in to get a replacement i think my phone is going to br one of the more reliable ones out there until the updates. Thanks guys for the input
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if the update comes out and these problem still exists, then LG & Tmobile will really hear from the customers. They better be ready for the bad press/back lash

After being treated like crap with customer service, I wrote a well worded letter and sent it to all the big wigs at TMobile corporate figuring I would finally get the sensation for free (if they valued my service). I asked for the sensation at no charge or for them to let me out of my contract since they continue to give me a faulty phone. Cindy Maes called me today and stated that they would accept the $50 upgrade but they would do no more. She also said they would not let me out of contract. When I mentioned filing a complaint with the BBB, she said she looks into all complaints from them and that she would not be calling me back and the offer would no longer be valid!!! Now that is guts. No wonder they have been slipping in service year after year......
Should I just pay the $50 for the sensation?

Cyberdan3 said:
After being treated like crap with customer service, I wrote a well worded letter and sent it to all the big wigs at TMobile corporate figuring I would finally get the sensation for free (if they valued my service). I asked for the sensation at no charge or for them to let me out of my contract since they continue to give me a faulty phone. Cindy Maes called me today and stated that they would accept the $50 upgrade but they would do no more. She also said they would not let me out of contract. When I mentioned filing a complaint with the BBB, she said she looks into all complaints from them and that she would not be calling me back and the offer would no longer be valid!!! Now that is guts. No wonder they have been slipping in service year after year......
Should I just pay the $50 for the sensation?
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is the problem just light bleed or are you having freezing/reboot problems...just a fair warning the sensation is without it's faults also. You are most likely to get dust under the screen due to poor manufacturing. My wife has the same issue with her MT4G but it doesn't bother her like it would me. Just don't be surprised if you run into issues with the sensation.

tq745 said:
is the problem just light bleed or are you having freezing/reboot problems...just a fair warning the sensation is without it's faults also. You are most likely to get dust under the screen due to poor manufacturing. My wife has the same issue with her MT4G but it doesn't bother her like it would me. Just don't be surprised if you run into issues with the sensation.
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I think all these manufacturers need a lesson in QC/QA, or at least fire the staff they currently have and get a new one. It's seems commonplace that all Android devices are not created equal. I will say this much about the iPoop, that if one person has the death grip issues all 20 million of their devices do.

Cyberdan3 said:
After being treated like crap with customer service, I wrote a well worded letter and sent it to all the big wigs at TMobile corporate figuring I would finally get the sensation for free (if they valued my service). I asked for the sensation at no charge or for them to let me out of my contract since they continue to give me a faulty phone. Cindy Maes called me today and stated that they would accept the $50 upgrade but they would do no more. She also said they would not let me out of contract. When I mentioned filing a complaint with the BBB, she said she looks into all complaints from them and that she would not be calling me back and the offer would no longer be valid!!! Now that is guts. No wonder they have been slipping in service year after year......
Should I just pay the $50 for the sensation?
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Well writing a "well worded" letter to corporate doesn't guarantee you anything especially if its demanding. Getting a $500 phone for $50 is a good deal and you should have jumped on it- assuming they let you keep the g2x also.

They said I would have to send back the G2X............

At this point is so freaking hard to judge which phome to keep since both seem to have issues.
What makes me want to keep my G2x is the unlock bootloader and the Tegra 2 plus the super snappy interface.
Where I start thinking if I should get the Sensation over the G2x is that the G2x haven't been in their website for over a month and this delayed updates making LG and T-Mobile look very very unreliable.
I will be starting a business and I need a reliable phone that will be supported.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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moshe22 said:
At this point is so freaking hard to judge which phome to keep since both seem to have issues.
What makes me want to keep my G2x is the unlock bootloader and the Tegra 2 plus the super snappy interface.
Where I start thinking if I should get the Sensation over the G2x is that the G2x haven't been in their website for over a month and this delayed updates making LG and T-Mobile look very very unreliable.
I will be starting a business and I need a reliable phone that will be supported.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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Yea, here is my thought. If your starting a business then get the Sensation. It's a better business phone. Keep the G2X if you want a better play phone.

T-mobile wont exchange g2x for sensation

I am furious at this point with t-mobile because they will not let me get the only even exchange phone with the sensation. The only thing I have the option of getting is the mytouch 4g which sucks in my opinion because I am losing alot of money then. The only thing I want is the sensation and I am literally overwhelmed that retention and loyalty wouldnt exchange after I have been a customer for over a decade.

Doesn't really require your own thread.
Each CS rep is different. Keep calling until you have a decent rep. Tell them you paid $500 for a dual core phone and that is what you are looking for. Say that offers were G2x+$50=Sensation.
Refurbs aren't going to solve anything. Your just getting everyone elses screen bleeds and other issues.
Refurbs won't be a good solution until they fix the issues and have better replacements.
I guess be polite and level headed and focus on solutions rather then ranting about problems.

player911 said:
Doesn't really require your own thread.
Each CS rep is different. Keep calling until you have a decent rep. Tell them you paid $500 for a dual core phone and that is what you are looking for. Say that offers were G2x+$50=Sensation.
50 bucks should be all it takes ..like he said keep calling back
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Dude, do you know how many times I called until I found a rep willing give me the Sensation for free and keep my G2X while remaining contract free. First, you need to get into the retention department which sounds like you already have and then you need to find a rep willing to get a supervisor to override what the computer is telling them. I did have extenuating circumstances so don't expect to get the same deal I got.
Here is why there not readily willing to do a deal where you give them back your G2X, pay the extra $50 and walk away with the Sensation. They can't do anything with the G2X so they have to eat the cost of the Sensation. LG will not let T-Mobile send phones back to them outside of the 30 day return policy. I have had more than 5 reps tell me the same thing and I started to believe it after the one who gave me the Sensation told me to keep the G2X because there is nothing they can do with it.

To be completely honest, if they would just give us whatever phone we want at the discounted contract price, I'd probably be ok with that.
Sometimes you buy lemons, gents. Welcome to technology.

If it helps I called T-Mobile Corporate last week and finally got a call back today. After speaking with the guy, he finally offered the Sensation and sent it out today. If I were anyone that wants that exchange, go through corporate, because customer service can't do anything for you. Hope this helps.
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What's the corporate number?

Triune said:
If it helps I called T-Mobile Corporate last week and finally got a call back today. After speaking with the guy, he finally offered the Sensation and sent it out today. If I were anyone that wants that exchange, go through corporate, because customer service can't do anything for you. Hope this helps.
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WHat do you mean they can't do anything for you? They did something for me and another guy in this forum. Both of us got free Sensations and got to keep our G2X's. Both of us just dialed 611 and talked to customer service.

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What's the corporate number?
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425-378-4000
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i just called corporate and left them a message...... but what do i ask when i call retention like to start off

I want to go and play with one first before and take any drastic decisions. My phone did get hot yesterday, rebooted and lost apn, all in stock.
Flashed CM7 last night
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moshe22 said:
I want to go and play with one first before and take any drastic decisions. My phone did get hot yesterday, rebooted and lost apn, all in stock.
Flashed CM7 last night
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Hopefully you'll be fine with CM7

My phone is crap on T-mobile's rom and the GB leaked ROM. I believe its my phone consistently fails/reboots/laggy. However it doesn't freeze, just gets hot and reboots. No APN issues on stock, actually just good with APN.
CM7 did stabilize my phone. Only issue that refuses to go away is the hot battery. Just have to deal with it. Happens on MyTouch 4G also, but the G2X just gets so hot its ridiculous.
Hope you have better luck.
Also I don't wanna piss off T-Mobile customer service. I do plan to exchange my phone when they release new batch of good phones. Its pointless to exchange now because its like a lottery. And those who did get Sensation exchanged for G2X, lucky you. I guess thats a case by case basis.

After being treated like crap with customer service, I wrote a well worded letter and sent it to all the big wigs at TMobile corporate figuring I would finally get the sensation for free (if they valued my service). I asked for the sensation at no charge or for them to let me out of my contract since they continue to give me a faulty phone. An exec called me today and stated that they would accept the $50 upgrade but they would do no more. She also said they would not let me out of contract. When I mentioned filing a complaint with the BBB, she said she looks into all complaints from them and that she would not be calling me back and the offer would no longer be valid!!! Now that is guts. No wonder they have been slipping in service year after year......
Should I just pay the $50 for the sensation?

randyp007 said:
i just called corporate and left them a message...... but what do i ask when i call retention like to start off
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Just tell them your concern and Express why you're so upset at how you've been treated. After that, ask for a comparable device.
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Tmobile costumer care exchange?

So my question ia that I just got this phone from tmobile customer care over the phone. I like everything on the device so far, except the speaker volume.So I want to take advantage of the twenty day guarantee. I want to try another unit. If I call them and tell them that I don't like this unit, will they send the other unit out first our do I have to send mines back first? If I have both units on hand, I can easily compare both and decide which one to keep.
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mike2518 said:
So my question ia that I just got this phone from tmobile customer care over the phone. I like everything on the device so far, except the speaker volume.So I want to take advantage of the twenty day guarantee. I want to try another unit. If I call them and tell them that I don't like this unit, will they send the other unit out first our do I have to send mines back first? If I have both units on hand, I can easily compare both and decide which one to keep.
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Not my experience. I also ordered from TMO over the phone. After 5 days my Sensation died. Took it to a store and they refused to replace it, said I had to call it in. Called and they will only replace it after receiving mine. I even have to call them again after they've received it to arrange the replacement. It's going to take over a week to get the new one.
One other thing, there seems to be a difference in how they treat new accounts and upgrades. Since mine is an upgrade this is the only option I had.
Really pisses me off. There are several ways they could handle this better. Not good service at all.

Samnada you settled for less than good treatment man.
I was on day 12 of 14 and called in about the broken power button. They told me they'd send a new one out when I called in with the tracking number for the one I'm returning. I said fine - will they overnight it? They said they dont do that. I told them they overnighted the first one (2 day ground in a one day zone but their words). I told them I need a phone and I would be cancelling service if that's how it would work. She got with a supervisor and agreed to ship me one and that i'd return the other when I got the replacement or Id eat the cost of the second. She made sure to mention this was a special allowance for me and not general procedure.
2nd phone has a blue dot under the gorilla glass. Called in to see if I could ship both phones together back to Tmo. Thinking about cancelling service too. Not interested in doing this **** over and over. Guy was cool said I should have had return shipping slips in both boxes (I didnt) and that they'd reimburse me if I take my shipping receipt to a store. Also asked me to take the phone to a store to have them see in person whats wrong with it and note my account. Then he said theyd do the same ship and return after receipt of new phone w/ shipping reimbursement to my account via credit.
YMMV from rep to rep man - you may have to call back a few times to get satisfaction. I was surprised the woman I spoke to Wednesday helped me so much. Very cool. Guy I spoke with today was a Sensation owner and very cool too.

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Samnada you settled for less than good treatment man.
I was on day 12 of 14 and called in about the broken power button. They told me they'd send a new one out when I called in with the tracking number for the one I'm returning. I said fine - will they overnight it? They said they dont do that. I told them they overnighted the first one (2 day ground in a one day zone but their words). I told them I need a phone and I would be cancelling service if that's how it would work. She got with a supervisor and agreed to ship me one and that i'd return the other when I got the replacement or Id eat the cost of the second. She made sure to mention this was a special allowance for me and not general procedure.
2nd phone has a blue dot under the gorilla glass. Called in to see if I could ship both phones together back to Tmo. Thinking about cancelling service too. Not interested in doing this **** over and over. Guy was cool said I should have had return shipping slips in both boxes (I didnt) and that they'd reimburse me if I take my shipping receipt to a store. Also asked me to take the phone to a store to have them see in person whats wrong with it and note my account. Then he said theyd do the same ship and return after receipt of new phone w/ shipping reimbursement to my account via credit.
YMMV from rep to rep man - you may have to call back a few times to get satisfaction. I was surprised the woman I spoke to Wednesday helped me so much. Very cool. Guy I spoke with today was a Sensation owner and very cool too.
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I did take it to a store when it first died to try a different battery in case that was the problem. They confirmed the phone was indeed dead, and noted that in my account. But he wouldn't swap for a new one unless I had purchased it at the store.
I was on the phone for nearly 2 hours, switched to 3 different people, and the best I could get was a $10 credit on the shipping to them. They'll overnight the new one , but not until they receive mine and I call them back to undo/redo my upgrade deal. I could get a loaner phone in the meantime, but it would have just been some cheapo deal which didn't interest me since I have my Vibrant.
Part of what bothers me about TMO is this horsetrading aspect where some people get great deals and others get zip, apparently depending on a roll of the dice and who you happen to get on the phone. Some CSR's are great and others sound like they're robotically reading from a script.
They're standard policy sucks. They need to change it. I shouldn't have to beg and plead and threaten to be treated like I'm a paying customer.
They could have overnighted the new phone to the store, have me turn in my dead one there, and verified the problem and the return. Done deal, and they would be out nothing more than they will now. They could also do just what you said, ship me one overnight and if I didn't return the bad one charge me full retail for both. Fine. But their standard policy seems designed to maximize frustration.
I'm considering all my options, but have to have an international phone, so that narrows the choices of carriers, and from what I've heard ATT is even worse.
If TMO has the best customer service it's no wonder cell phones are the source of the most consumer complaints.

I'm not sure if things have changed in the last 5-6 months but when me and my wife had multiple problems with our MT4G's I never had to send mine in first. As a matter of fact I had 6 out of 7 sent overnight free of charge. But on all of them I was told I had seven days to return them after I received the new one.
Maybe times have changed. I might be doing a exchange as well in the near future and I will see.

i actually am getting a replacement for mine on tuesday , i called it in today after all hell broke loose on my phone today ,they are sending me another unit and im sending them back mine , actually they gave me the option

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i actually am getting a replacement for mine on tuesday , i called it in today after all hell broke loose on my phone today ,they are sending me another unit and im sending them back mine , actually they gave me the option
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Are you in the 14-day remorse period? They kept telling me it was because I'm doing an upgrade and I have to cancel/redo the deal to restart the 14-days on the new phone. I don't understand how people are reporting they've swapped Sensations 3 or 4 times. How is that being done? Am I the only one who's being treated this way?
The more I hear the more mad I get.

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Are you in the 14-day remorse period? They kept telling me it was because I'm doing an upgrade and I have to cancel/redo the deal to restart the 14-days on the new phone. I don't understand how people are reporting they've swapped Sensations 3 or 4 times. How is that being done? Am I the only one who's being treated this way?
The more I hear the more mad I get.
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monday makes 14 days ,i dont know if that makes a difference , they guy asked me if i wanted to wait for an update from htc and i told him no , i also called htc and they couldnt do anything because of the holiday , you shouyld be good to go being that the phone is still under warranty

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monday makes 14 days ,i dont know if that makes a difference , they guy asked me if i wanted to wait for an update from htc and i told him no , i also called htc and they couldnt do anything because of the holiday , you shouyld be good to go being that the phone is still under warranty
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I'm good as far as it being replaced, it's just the process they're requiring of having to receive my phone before they ship me a new one that's absurd. Due to the holiday it's going to be next Friday at the earliest before I get a phone.
I'll start calling tomorrow to see if they can persuade me to stay a TMO customer.

Totally understand your gripes and they're legitimate. You shouldn't have to roll the dice for options that others get. I feel you on GSM too. I really don't want to go to ATT because I'd have to get an iPhone. I'm tired of reconfiguring phones already. If the next one is trash too I'm going back to my N1 and old contract. Wifi calling is sweet but not happy with the poor quality control.

By way of comparison, we went through a sordid version of this when the N1's rolled out, too. TMO didn't wanna touch'em, Google (who sold and shipped them out overnight) had no live support, and we had to rely on HTC. At the time, HTC's policy was (maybe still is?) only DOA phones would get immediate replacement at no additional charge. Any phone that worked, THEN failed was an 'in-warranty' replacement, and the only way to expedite it was to allow your credit card to be fully charged (although some report a $1 hold rather than a full charge) and THEN they would cross-ship. Otherwise, you had to ship the old unit BEFORE the new one shipped, and we had reports a call with a tracking number (as mentioned above) would also expedite a replacement shipment. I know waiting sucks, but unless it was bought IN a physical store, with their own return/replacement policies, 'it is what it is'. :|

Thanks for the input guys. I'll be calling them soon. They told me that I have a 20 day remorse period for some reason. Also, to the person having the issue of not bring able to return the phone to the store , It's not gonna happen. The rep told me straight up that the phone people and the store people are not together.
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Another question: if they send me the other phone also, and I have a chance to compare both, would I be able to send the second unit back incase my first original unit is better? Or do I have to keep the second one?
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um when i first got my htc sensation the power button was slanted and the screen was messed up and weird looking aou screen i called that same day to get a replacement got it in 2 days. I told the rep i have the tracking number in my hand which i did =] just went to ups.com got a tracking number and shipped it out tm while my replacement phone was coming. The downside is you will be charged twice =/ the first phone will be on your cc already then they will charge you again for the 2nd one.. thing sucks to wait 4 weeks for it to clear just remember when u drop off the package to ask for the receipt. Maybe i was just lucky huh?

samnada said:
Not my experience. I also ordered from TMO over the phone. After 5 days my Sensation died. Took it to a store and they refused to replace it, said I had to call it in. Called and they will only replace it after receiving mine. I even have to call them again after they've received it to arrange the replacement. It's going to take over a week to get the new one.
One other thing, there seems to be a difference in how they treat new accounts and upgrades. Since mine is an upgrade this is the only option I had.
Really pisses me off. There are several ways they could handle this better. Not good service at all.
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This is because they are redoing your upgrade. Tell them you don't want to redo the upgrade, you just want a replacement.
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Towle said:
This is because they are redoing your upgrade. Tell them you don't want to redo the upgrade, you just want a replacement.
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They didn't give me a choice. They said this is how it's going to work. Send us your dead phone, once we get it give us a call and we'll redo your upgrade and send you a new phone. They said it was because I got the upgrade through Customer Retention. It's like dealing with the government.
I offered to let them take my CC # and bill me if I didn't return the phone if they would ship the new one right away and they refused.
Not sure how they decide who to punish. My credit rating is perfect. I've never given them a minutes problem in the past. Just seems totally arbitrary.
I called them with the UPS tracking # in order to get the $10 shipping credit, so they have that. They're going to ship me a new phone, so what's it to them if it's today or next Thursday? I just don't get it.

I'm 23, have terrible credit and constantly call in and complain. I've been a customer since I was 18 and in the way that matters, paying my bill, I've always been a good customer. TMobile has always shipped my replacements out first and then I mail mine back to them in the box they ship the replacement in to me.
One time, they shipped be a broken MT3GS as a replacement so I called in and yelled at them so they sent me a second replacement MT3GS so I had three phones, 2 of which belonged to TMobile, out at the same time. I complained about them shipping me a broken phone, the amount of problems on my phone, they tried to give me a motorola cliq2, I told them they were crazy and I got a 350 dollar discount and upgraded to the sensation on Launch Day. Great timing!

Just got off the phone with a much more helpful TMO CSR. Order for replacement phone has been placed, due to the holiday it will ship overnight on Tue, arrive here Wed. Wish I'd gotten her the first time.
Thanks for the encouragement to keep after them.

So any opinions on whether I would have to return my first unit after receiving the second one or just return the second one incase the first unit is better than the replacement unit?
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mike2518 said:
So any opinions on whether I would have to return my first unit after receiving the second one or just return the second one incase the first unit is better than the replacement unit?
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If it is a warranty exchange you can send either back.
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Do not buy used phones: you are powerless!

So I know this type of discussion isn't really related to developing but since this forum was basically THE Android forum for me, I would like to get the word out here. I don't want another victim like me to happen; I hope this will help any future phone buyers from falling into the trap I did. This is going to be a long story but I hope I can clear up all this confusion about used phones, so strap in!
I bought an iPhone 4S last year from a guy on Craigslist; he offered to meet at an AT&T store to verify the clean IMEI and this action alone made me go against my gut instincts, which were telling me this guy looked kind of sketch. He was a white male in his late thirties, pot belly and dressed really sloppily; also had a slight hunch. But you can't judge a book by it's cover right? His story was that this was his wife's iPhone and that he sold his own a few days ago because he wanted a Samsung Galaxy S3; the phone had one more year on-contract and came with the original box so I knew it wasn't stolen. I gave him my $400 after inspecting the phone and left. Fast-forward to this week...
The phone was given to my dad to use on AT&T a month ago; I used the phone on T-Mobile for almost a year and nothing unusual came up. Just two weeks ago, my dad started getting messages saying "This device has been blocked from network use. Please call your service provider..." Not making much of it or even feeling any panic because I was that naive, I thought to myself "no way the previous owner would call in a year later to blacklist his phone. Who would even do that?" I called AT&T and after an hour, the representative was getting annoyed and said "I'll open up a case; wait three days." Three days pass and I had no word from them; I called in again and after another hour l found out my case was closed and got transferred to the supervisor. To sum up what he said: the phone was fine on T-Mobile until it was registered in the AT&T system, the owner can block a phone years down the line because the "30 days since it's loss" translates to "30 days since it's last been used by ANYONE," and that even if I have proof I bought the phone, only the original owner can remove it from the blacklist. So wireless carrier's have this huge hole in their policy that creates victims for people who buy phones secondhand and they honestly don't give a crap because it earns them money. I asked "so there is NOTHING to protect people like me? You can't even tell the police who this guy is?" He brushed me off and told me to call the police and open up a case, even if the police do get involved though, he said their company will stay quiet.
So I ended the call, speechless and dumbfounded. Lost, confused, and frustrated, I went to the police station in my city, but it turns out I lived outside the city limits so I had to call a dispatcher in another county; after the short conversation, the dispatcher told me to wait for an officer to call. The straightforward police officer, being much more friendly and understanding than the people at AT&T told me "since the phone wasn't actually stolen, it's a civil issue; the only thing you can do is try to find this guy and take it to court. We don't get involved in these kinds of matter. I know it's tough to accept but the wireless companies just want profit and this policy that creates victims like you gets them what they want. This happens all the time and us police officers can't do anything about it. I'm sorry for your loss and I really wish I could help but this is the truth; you're left to your own devices now. Whenever you buy a phone secondhand YOU TAKE A HUGE RISK!" I'm hung-up the the phone in a better mood than I was because someone actually had sympathy for what had happened to me. Left here with just an e-mail address, I knew there was no hope of finding this guy; this person that was a criminal in a moral sense, and yet was not in a legal sense. What this guy did, the police officer said it's COMPLETELY LEGAL!
So the best I could do was go on Craigslist again and find someone who wanted a phone with a bad IMEI for parts or use overseas; I guess luck and karma were on my side and this guy quickly responded, wanting to buy the phone for $200. It turns out he worked for a company that fixes phones and ships them overseas to sell. I knew this guy, who was in his late twenties and rotund, was trained in buying phones; he brought a toothbrush, SIM card remover, and various other tools to inspect the device. I was uneasy during and after the deal; left scarred and paranoid from the previous Craigslist experience. To show how paranoid I was, I even went to a bank teller, asking him to check if the money he gave me was fake. After this ordeal, I realized that spending that extra $300 to buy a brand new phone is worth it; all this stress, mental exhaustion, and time is worth saving by putting down that extra money.
But the problem wasn't over; I bought a T-Mobile HTC One on Swappa for myself when I gave my iPhone 4S to my dad, although from a trusted seller, I knew I could not risk it anymore. Even though I know this guy's name, address, PayPal account, and had proof of purchase, I was still powerless; the wireless and insurance companies don't care about the facts. The merit of facts flies out the window and all they do is put their fingers in their ears and scream "OUR POLICY!" But I remembered during the escapade with the AT&T supervisor, he said I could have transferred the ownership of the phone. To get my facts straight, I went to T-Mobile with all the evidence I had saying I bought this phone from Swappa; I didn't bother with the bottom-feeders and went straight to the manager. Guess what he said? "We can't tap into the system and transfer ownership of a phone since it's tied to a contract. The best we can do it make a note on YOUR account that you bought this phone; this won't prevent it from being blacklisted but it will help if you decide to escalate the issue to Asurion (the insurance company)." Now I thought to myself, "would Asurion even give a damn?" The answer: NO; no they would not. They would most likely try to push the responsibility to someone else and dismiss this huge hole that creates helpless victims because their business runs on customers "losing" their phones or getting it "stolen," and then paying them to replace it.
After all this time wasted trying to get to the bottom of things, I'm left with the cold hard truth: you WILL get burned if you buy a used phone and there is NOTHING you can do about it! NOTHING! The best you can do is to take matters into your own hands and sue; the companies don't care and the police can't help! Save yourself from what has happened to me; just spend that extra $300 to buy a new phone. It's worth every penny for that extra security because this world is full of people who will take advantage of you! I can already feel my idealism fading...

yorkies88888 said:
I bought an iPhone 4S last year from a guy on Craigslist.
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I'm sorry this happened, but you purchased the phone off of craiglist!! You should of known better a simple google search would of told you about the dangers.

That was a long read but well worth it sorry that happened to you man, But i think recommending people not buy a second hand phone is somewhat extreme not everyone is a crook and are out to get you.
Anyway glad you were able to recoup half of the money back.

I often meet with someone on the way to sell me a second-hand mobile phone, I did not bother these people.

I bought my HTC one s from a local pawn shop. It was a fido phone which I unlocked and use on Telus network. So basically as long as you buy a phone which was not on the carrier you are going to use it on, then you are completely safe right?
Could you not have still switched that iPhone back to T-Mobile?
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350Rocket said:
I bought my HTC one s from a local pawn shop. It was a fido phone which I unlocked and use on Telus network. So basically as long as you buy a phone which was not on the carrier you are going to use it on, then you are completely safe right?
Could you not have still switched that iPhone back to T-Mobile?
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Well the problem is that carriers in the U.S. are starting to share the same blacklist; AT&T, T-Mobile, and the other smaller wireless companies under them share the same list. Once you get blacklisted on one carrier, you're blacklisted by most now.

Thanks for the info.. glad you told.the story. I know this now heh.. sorry for what happened
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Thanks for the story.

I think it is pretty safe to buy second hand unlocked phone...
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yorkies88888 said:
Well the problem is that carriers in the U.S. are starting to share the same blacklist; AT&T, T-Mobile, and the other smaller wireless companies under them share the same list. Once you get blacklisted on one carrier, you're blacklisted by most now.
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This applies to me as well. Without getting into too much detail: Purchased a late model android phone from Craigslist, an unlocked AT&T branded device and I use T Mobile. Fast forward until 2 weeks ago the phone would no longer make calls and gave me a specific error code which I forget now. Turns out that code meant "stolen or lost device" and it would no longer work on any US cellular networks.
Someone who isn't me was unsuccessful in changing the number that shall remain nameless in order to get the phone working again.... that is all

yorkies88888 said:
Well the problem is that carriers in the U.S. are starting to share the same blacklist; AT&T, T-Mobile, and the other smaller wireless companies under them share the same list. Once you get blacklisted on one carrier, you're blacklisted by most now.
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Now i am living in europe, so this doesnt really bother me, yet i am still curious: what if you buy a htc one (for example) that someone had with contract, and root it? Would it still be in a blacklist? And for the iphones: does a jailbreak do the trick to get the phone going again?
Also, sorry for your experiences :/
Greets Vauvenal7
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Vauvenal7 said:
Now i am living in europe, so this doesnt really bother me, yet i am still curious: what if you buy a htc one (for example) that someone had with contract, and root it? Would it still be in a blacklist? And for the iphones: does a jailbreak do the trick to get the phone going again?
Also, sorry for your experiences :/
Greets Vauvenal7
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Nope. Software modifications won't do anything as your IMEI has been blacklisted. The only way around that is a new motherboard.
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@ yorkie8888
*Interesting read, Sorry to hear what happened, everyone else, I'm from London UK and was wondering if anyone else had experienced anything similar to yorkie here in the UK?
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Anyone know if this affects Canada the same? For example using an unlocked fido/rogers phone on Telus. Do they share a blacklist too?
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This I feel has to be said:
Your spent $400 on a USED iPhone?
Buying used phones entails some downsides, like not getting to claim warranty, and this blacklisting thing is really sad, but, meh, that's why we buy them cheap.
Also, I feel the lesson here is, take precautions when buying second-hand, for instance, leave the phone unused for 31+ days. Buy a bat and work out. Take incriminating photos of the seller, etc.
Anyway isn't it possible -although illegal, I know- to change your IMEI?
Seems to be "common" losing/changing it when flashing ROMs.
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Thanks for the info
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Thanks for sharing this info.

So what is the point of someone blacklisting a phone a year later? Do they get a insurance claim or something.
I have bought used sprint phones for years, but now that I am using a phone (tmobile) with a sim card/imei it seems that you are more likely to get screwed.
Does swappa and PayPal not protect against this issue? And if not what the hell is swappa charging the customer $10/transaction for?

I am almost positive I got this same error a couple of years ago on a phone purchased directly from AT&T. It was a bad SIM card. I wasn't able to make calls or anything. They replaced the SIM and it worked. So for those who buy a used phone and get that error, check your SIM card first.

I've been buying and selling used phones for the last 2 years and never had an issue. I've don't buy off craigslist though, I stick to swappa or ebay where you have some protection via paypal. Yes you always run the risk of someone reporting the device lost/stolen after the sale, but that's why you only buy from reputable/rated sellers and skip on anything that looks too good to be true.
I'm sorry to hear you got screwed on your iphone, but I wouldn't consider your experience the norm. As for the warranty/insurance issue on your other phone, that's just how it is, do your research. The warranty only applies to the original buyer of the device (when bought through an authorized retailer). Same with insurance, you can only add it in a certain time frame when you've bought the phone from an authorized retailer.
However, some carries do have an "open enrollment" where you can add insurance to your device regardless of when/where you bought it. Verizon actually has it going on right now through Dec 2.