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In searching the forums I know this has come up for other devices and am wondering about the Fuze. What Micro SD speed class can the Fuze use. Don't want to spend extra on a class 4 if it can only take advantage of the class 2 speeds.
Thanks, my Fuze gets delivered late this week, cant wait
Dinghani said:
In searching the forums I know this has come up for other devices and am wondering about the Fuze. What Micro SD speed class can the Fuze use. Don't want to spend extra on a class 4 if it can only take advantage of the class 2 speeds.
Thanks, my Fuze gets delivered late this week, cant wait
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I'm running an 8GB class 4, Although I've seen specs that say it supports up to 32GB storage and class6 speeds
I'm rocking a Mobile Ultra 8GB... class 6.
While the fuze (and any phone really) can only take advantage of class 2 speed, your computer can use everything higher. Also, I believe when you're using the direct storage card access mode while plugged into the computer, you can take advantage of the higher speeds as well.
motionmind said:
While the fuze (and any phone really) can only take advantage of class 2 speed, your computer can use everything higher. Also, I believe when you're using the direct storage card access mode while plugged into the computer, you can take advantage of the higher speeds as well.
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I Noticed a speed tweak in the Blackstone forum for making the SD read time 3X as fast. Is there any way to "port" this setting to the Fuze? I'm beginning to load up on movies and want the best format possible for TV-Out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446366
Thanks!
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I Noticed a speed tweak in the Blackstone forum for making the SD read time 3X as fast.
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I just installed that tweak and, at the very least, everything seems to be able to access the storage card normally. I don't have time to try it out myself right now, but I'll see if I can slap some videos on there for testing later.
I wouldn't let thos Class numbers fool you.. I bought an early 8GB Adata Class4 card and just recently a new 8GB Class6 for a neighbor. Just out of curiosity I plugged each into a mini USB reader and ran hdtach on my PC. My old Class4 card read at 19MB/s and the newer Class6 at only 14MB/s. Explain that...
I have two 8 gb cards, one is class 4 and one is class 6. The difference when connected to a computer is around 10%, but on my Pro I didn't notice any.
However class 4 is almost 2x faster than class 2, and I believe that will have an impact on phone performance.
I could benchmark mine if someone recommends a tool.
I'm running a Sandisk 16 GB Class 2 in my AT&T Fuze,and it runs great!
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I wouldn't let thos Class numbers fool you.. I bought an early 8GB Adata Class4 card and just recently a new 8GB Class6 for a neighbor. Just out of curiosity I plugged each into a mini USB reader and ran hdtach on my PC. My old Class4 card read at 19MB/s and the newer Class6 at only 14MB/s. Explain that...
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Depends on the brands and models you got as to what your read speed will be, but the class rating actually has nothing to do with read speed, only write. Also, the class numbers are a guaranteed minimum write speed, so a card labeled class 2 could write faster than class 6 in theory. Here are some read-write benchmarks to show you just how they can vary:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2094715,00.asp
I haven't found any info on the max theoretical read/write speeds of the flash controller in the Fuze/TouchPro to know what they're supposed to be capable of.
As for the speed tweak from the Blackstone forum...I can't see any difference in playback speed using one Xvid and one Divx video in TCPMP's benchmark. Those are the only two formats I have atm, and they're both technically just MP4 video with MP3 audio.
pocket mechanics can benchmark the sd card in the pda
as benchmarking can't be don on the pc as the speeds will be way different
I think I actually have a copy of pocket mechanic. I was thinking about using SPB Benchmark, but I'll give PM a shot first.
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6415
Article on the cab file and post in the blackstone forum. This article has benchmarks in a graph showing the increase. Anyone benechmarked this tweak on a touchpro yet to see if it works like the HD does?
I have to say that I'm pretty surprised by these results. Both tests were done under identical circumstances and both probably suffer a little due to the fact that I had SOTI Pocket Controller running while I ran the tests. I used the latest version of Pocket Mechanic and an Adata class 4 8gb microsdhc. On the left is the "before."
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I have to say that I'm pretty surprised by these results. Both tests were done under identical circumstances and both probably suffer a little due to the fact that I had SOTI Pocket Controller running while I ran the tests. I used the latest version of Pocket Mechanic and an Adata class 4 8gb microsdhc. On the left is the "before."
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This is the cab fix correct?
Mine also benchmarked way higher after installing the cab fix. (8gig class 4 micro sd also)
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This is the cab fix correct?
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Yes. Unfortunately, throwing all that extra data at a video processing system that was already choking to death hasn't helped video playback, which is one of the main reasons the patch was developed for the HD. I think I may try to flash the HD derived rom to my Fuze and then retest to see what happens.
If we had the right software to take advantage the hardware we could play DVD,s off this thing
I tryed a full 700meg divx dvd rip that stuttered on play a bit before the cab install, and it plays pretty decent now. It had to be the read time of the phone and not the card that was doing it. Now if coreplayer ever fixs the QVT (blue flicker) on there player it would be a neat toy to plug in with the tv out cable.
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I tryed a full 700meg divx dvd rip that stuttered on play a bit before the cab install, and it plays pretty decent now.
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What are you using to play the video...core?
I have an a-data 8gig class 6 and I cant flash through the card. Other than that im happy but not being able to flash through my card is really annoying. Most Heinous.
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What are you using to play the video...core?
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Core for the moment, but I may start re encoding them mp4 and use WM player.
Hi, i bought some days ago an 8GB class 10 micro sd card, hoping it would speed up my phone (i was using app2sd+ with Kyrillo's ROM v7.1).
I didn't notice any diference compared to my old 4GB class 2 card, so i installed SD Tools app to test the speeds, and i realized all the cards i put in my phone get 4MB/s as the maximun write speed, i tried many different sd cards, class 2 and 10 and there's no difference. Then i tried the same cards in my girlfriend's Galaxy Ace and the speeds were much higher, 7~12 MB/s write speed.
I thought it was a rom problem, so i backed up with Titanium Backup and flashed a stock ROM (JPM), but the speeds remain the same (around 4 MB/s for writing), i also tried changing the buffer size from 128kb to 1024, 2048, 4096 with "SD Booster" and "SD Speed Increase" apps, but no good results...
Could my phone be faulty?
Is there any configuration i can try to make my sd card faster? any command line?
What are the speeds you reach with "SD Tools" and classes of your SD card?
Best Regards!
I'm not sure, but I think there's nothing you can do....
Mine is a 16GB class 6 and it's the same, whatever I try. Before had 8GB - was the same.
Whatever I wrote into the 'read ahead buffer'...
But maybe anyone else has an idea?
Try changing the buffer to 0 as sometimes that works.
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dilzo said:
Try changing the buffer to 0 as sometimes that works.
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TNX for the tip, but unfortunately SAME RESULT...
i also get the same speeds..
i think thats a bug with sd tools.
By the way has any one tried data2sd/apps2sd v3? do you face lags?
also do you people have SD or SDHC
I belive that sdtools has a bug. Or is seriously faulty. I have 16GB class 2 sdcard and sdtools claims that my read and write speeds are equivavlent to class 6 card (values range from 6.x/6.x to 8.x/7.x, write/read, respectively (depending on read_ahead_kb values). And I know for a fact that this really cheap sdcard does not have such performance. You can try antutu benchmark, free app on market, which provides a bit more accurate results plus you can select what to benchmark. My card gets 3.0MB/s read and 2.0 MB/s write with default buffer values. Which is more accurate than sdtools. Especially because disks (any kind) usually have higher read rate than write rate (because it is easier to read data than to write it and 'cause we usually perform much more reading than writing, so it is optimized for read operations).
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I belive that sdtools has a bug. Or is seriously faulty. I have 16GB class 2 sdcard and sdtools claims that my read and write speeds are equivavlent to class 6 card (values range from 6.x/6.x to 8.x/7.x, write/read, respectively (depending on read_ahead_kb values). And I know for a fact that this really cheap sdcard does not have such performance. You can try antutu benchmark, free app on market, which provides a bit more accurate results plus you can select what to benchmark. My card gets 3.0MB/s read and 2.0 MB/s write with default buffer values. Which is more accurate than sdtools. Especially because disks (any kind) usually have higher read rate than write rate (because it is easier to read data than to write it and 'cause we usually perform much more reading than writing, so it is optimized for read operations).
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antutu give me 3.x and 4.x for write and read speed respectively!!
8gb class 10
That is odd. Do you have a card reader? Maybe you can bench from pc and see the results. I have only 2 sdcards, both class 2 and the results I get are to be expected from class 2 cards. There is also possibility that it is a low quality component. If you feel like it try to investigate, get cards info like serial, model and manufacturer and see what you'll discover. Nowadays people are selling everything claiming it to be a better than actually is. I remember reading tests regarding SD 's where they said that same card type from same manufacturer performed about 10 times worse just because one was.made in China and the other in taiwan, or something like that. I personally would do some research but it's up to you.
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That is odd. Do you have a card reader? Maybe you can bench from pc and see the results. I have only 2 sdcards, both class 2 and the results I get are to be expected from class 2 cards. There is also possibility that it is a low quality component. If you feel like it try to investigate, get cards info like serial, model and manufacturer and see what you'll discover. Nowadays people are selling everything claiming it to be a better than actually is. I remember reading tests regarding SD 's where they said that same card type from same manufacturer performed about 10 times worse just because one was.made in China and the other in taiwan, or something like that. I personally would do some research but it's up to you.
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well i did a bench mark from laptop's card reader.. it was way over 18 mbps.. cancelled the benchmark in the process as it was taking too long.. but half way read speed was definitely above 18mbps.. Also my sdhc's manufacturer is transcend. I hope this company wont betray us!!
well, in that case it might have to do with phone configuration/programming. Maybe devs could figure out why the phone does not utilize full potential of the sdcard. Perhaps low ram, (relatively) "slow" cpu, something...
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well, in that case it might have to do with phone configuration/programming. Maybe devs could figure out why the phone does not utilize full potential of the sdcard. Perhaps low ram, (relatively) "slow" cpu, something...
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Good point. Hope some dev is listening!!
I have the same problem.
Samsung Galaxy 3 GT-i5800, Android Froyo firmware v2.2 build XWJPL.
I tested with two class 10 microSD cards, quality ones, but got poor transfer rates.
card1: Transcend 8GB MicroSDHC Class10 (TS8GUSDHC10) - up to 20 Mb/s
card2: Samsung 8GB SDHC Plus Class10 (MB-MP8GA/EU) - Read max. 24 Mb/s, Write max 21 Mb/s
Samsung 8GB cl10 test result (SD Tools app): Write: 4.4 Mb/s; Read 5.1 Mb/s
The card write speed should be higher than 10 Mb/s
I've been reading that the higher class SDHC cards like class 6, 10 aren't great for random write access, small blocks, but since we run our OS/apps on the phone's internal memory and we don't do the A2SD+ stuff, should it be ok to use class 10 cards?
Or does android still do a lot of significant random access on SD cards for the sensation?
Class 10!
I use a 32GB class 10 with nearly all my apps stored on there. I don't suffer and read / write lag. All I'd say is you get what you pay for, so don't buy a cheap one
I understand but do you know if the OS does the random r/w on sdcard? I'm not running any a2sd for my apps or anything so AFAIK I could run my phone without an SD card...
well since gingerbread came out app2sd is integrated into the OS, so you can transfer your apps to your SD card or they can be internally stored
just go to settings>applications>manage applications then tap into any app (thats not a system app) and you can move it to your SD card o to the phone
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I'm not asking about transferring apps to SD card?!
I'm asking if the random read/write access matters since our OS and apps are on the internal 4GB memory of the phone. Does the OS use the sdcard for any operations at all?
i read somewhere in the forums that class 4 will suffice. class 10 suits those HD camcorders as the write speed is high. if i'm not wrong, the read speed is the same for all (don't blame me if i'm wrong though)
I'm actually also wondering about this. Since the sensation can record 1080p, does that mean we need a fast writing card for our phone?
I have just bought a 32GB class 4 Sandisk micro SD (£28.99 Ebay) and i have no problems at all recording video at [email protected] Mbps. It may seem slightly jerky when you are actually filming on screen but when you play it back its smmmooottthhh!! Don't buy cheap memory cards. YOU WILL REGRET IT and waste your hard earned cash!! Just a personal experience warning.
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I have just bought a 32GB class 4 Sandisk micro SD (£28.99 Ebay) and i have no problems at all recording video at [email protected] Mbps. It may seem slightly jerky when you are actually filming on screen but when you play it back its smmmooottthhh!! Don't buy cheap memory cards. YOU WILL REGRET IT and waste your hard earned cash!! Just a personal experience warning.
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I agree. I have a 32gb class 4 sandisk and also a 32gb class 10 lexar and both record perfectly fine (smooth recording and playback). I'm using Amaze Cam v7 with 16mb bitrate. So if it can record and playback (via connecting to USB to computer and playing on PC) smoothly, then it is more than fast enough to run the apps and constant writing apps.
nonione said:
well since gingerbread came out app2sd is integrated into the OS, so you can transfer your apps to your SD card or they can be internally stored
just go to settings>applications>manage applications then tap into any app (thats not a system app) and you can move it to your SD card o to the phone
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It was actually Froyo that bright A 2SD, mate!
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I ordered Lexar 32gb class 10 card from Amazon Tigerdirect seller for 48$... Will get it in couple of Weeks... I think class 10 is good fir sensation and is also future proof...
Spending once is better then spending twice later...
Picked up a high-speed MicroSD card and formatted it in my moto z. My device gets hot and full charge battery only lasts about three hours. When I remove the MicroSD card everything goes back to normal.
Using custom kernel and prerooted stock rom.
Anybody having any issues like mine or can shed some light on how to fix the issue? Thanks!
happened to me in moto x force and moto z
with 128gb lexar (works flawlessly on samsung tab a)
changed to sandisk uhs-i and no problems
might be moto is picky when it comes to sd cards
Yep this is a lexar card. Was on sale for $100. I guess I'll have to return it. Thanks for letting me know.
I went back to stock encrypted and it seemed to fix the issue.
don't count on it
Just FYI...
I've a 128 GB 1000x Lexar on my Moto Z with stock kernel and no issues with it... :fingers-crossed:
So another update, turns out Android sucks at indexing and it was constantly scanning my 5800 FLAC files all the time. 100% battery would go to 10% in just under three hours, it had nothing to do with it being a lexar card!
Solution? I put a .nomedia file in my music folder and enabled my music player to ignore that and it scans my whole library with ease. I went to work at 8:30 am today and just got home (6:18 pm) and my battery is still at 85%.
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So another update, turns out Android sucks at indexing and it was constantly scanning my 5800 FLAC files all the time. 100% battery would go to 10% in just under three hours, it had nothing to do with it being a lexar card!
Solution? I put a .nomedia file in my music folder and enabled my music player to ignore that and it scans my whole library with ease. I went to work at 8:30 am today and just got home (6:18 pm) and my battery is still at 85%.
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Really a weird issue...
I've my MP3 and videos on my SD card and I've noted no issue with them...
I've tried multiple high speed UHS-I cards, and formatted as internal, but all of them were either flagged by the phone as "too slow and might affect performance" or gave me heat and battery life issues.
And it would take five minutes after a reboot to show all app icons, or apps would lose login passwords, games lost saves and other annoying issues.
Formatting it as external storage, and just setting the camera to record directly to it works fine though.
Someone from Xiaomi actually said they're not adding or supporting MicroSD as internal due to them always having issues apparently. And it seems to be true.
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Formatting it as external storage, and just setting the camera to record directly to it works fine though.
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This is in fact my actual situation... no issues with Lexar 128GB 1000x.
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Really a weird issue...
I've my MP3 and videos on my SD card and I've noted no issue with them...
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Maybe because I am using FLAC and have 5900 of them on it hahaha.
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Maybe because I am using FLAC and have 5900 of them on it hahaha.
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Probably! :laugh:
Btw, another reason to not use it formatted as internal storage, is the immense power requirements MicroSD can spend at max write speed.
According to Wikipedia, as much as 100mA, which really explains why the phone heats up when it's formatted that way. And that doesn't include the consumption of the sd card controller.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital
Shadowdancer123 said:
Btw, another reason to not use it formatted as internal storage, is the immense power requirements MicroSD can spend at max write speed.
According to Wikipedia, as much as 100mA, which really explains why the phone heats up when it's formatted that way. And that doesn't include the consumption of the sd card controller.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital
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It didn't matter how I had it formatted before it was still getting super hot. Now that I haven't been using it, the issue must have been Android trying to index all the files as it's been running fine all week now that I have that .nomedia file in my music folder.
Does anyone know of a 128 card that can handle is phone?? Im gonn try the Samsung Pro+ 128
masterjay21 said:
Does anyone know of a 128 card that can handle is phone?? Im gonn try the Samsung Pro+ 128
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Using Lexar 1000x with no issues at all here...
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Using Lexar 1000x with no issues at all here...
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And at last... I had issues too!
On sdcard I store TWRP backups (no issues...), Titanium backups (no issues...), Maps (no issues...) and.... Pics & videos... and here I begin to see some weird behaviour...
First I saw Gallery had difficulties on showing pics thumbnials if I go fast between them... then it begins to show some "damaged" pics... at last I saw Camera app begins to crash just after taking a pic... (set to save on sdcard...)
So, I removed sdcard, connected to a PC and copied all files... The copy requested A LOT of time since of read difficulties, BUT all files was ok at last. :highfive:
Then I formatted sdcard and extensively tested with h2testw with no issues and constant speed.
So I formatted again and copied all files back in.
Then I've found a way to have it working fine with Moto Z... (I think... :fingers-crossed
Problem is that Moto Z is set to use a too small cache size for modern sdcards (128 KB) and this probably generate sync issues (and when this happens I saw CPU go wild and phone become warm... in a very similar way with Windows when it is having issues with USB keys... )
So I installed "SD-booster" app from Play Store (yes, it requires root...) and used it to resize cache to a more suitable value of 2048 KB and I haven't had any issue since then... more, my gallery has never been so fast scrolling and taking a LOT of pics in seconds or slow motion video isn't an issue at all now...
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Does anyone know of a 128 card that can handle is phone?? Im gonn try the Samsung Pro+ 128
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I'm using a Samsung Evo 128go and I have no issue
So, I currently only use my 128gb Samsung UHS1 card for external storage only because of the issues other have experienced using it as internal. Not sure if it's on anyone's radar but Sandisk just announced a new micro sd card made specifically to be able to handle the read/write requirements.
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/01/05/sandisks-new-256gb-a1-microsd-card-wants-apps/
already formatted card and so on. it usually gets better right after reboot, what a stupid problem. the s7 has more than enough juice to play hd vid. it has no prob playing any video from onboard memory. lame.
whats going on here? its a good samsung evo class 10 card blahblah, all that stuff. rooted, running fine. 6.0.1 though..
Good day. SM-G930U stock also on 6.0.1. I am using a cheap Lexar 128GB card loaded with 70GB worth of HD movies and music. Playback is flawless. If you'd like more information on the card just let me know. I didn't feel like taking it out just now but it sounds like you have a decent card there.
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already formatted card and so on. it usually gets better right after reboot, what a stupid problem. the s7 has more than enough juice to play hd vid. it has no prob playing any video from onboard memory. lame.
whats going on here? its a good samsung evo class 10 card blahblah, all that stuff. rooted, running fine. 6.0.1 though..
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I have some raw 1080p footage from my drone (DJI Inspire 1) on my SD Card, the files are uncompressed and gigantic. I've found using the stock video player they tend to hang.
That bothered me, as I use my phone often to display some of the footage for work purposes. I switched to VLC and I believe it buffers from the SD card much better as it rarely stutters at all.
Give VLC a shot.
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Give VLC a shot.
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Agreed, very feature rich and works well for me
Its likely due that the video bit rate is higher than what the acceptable maximum bit rate your sd can handle. A player like vlc recommended above which can buffer it or a better sd card should solve the issue.