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Windows Mobile 6.1 - understanding memory

Hi.
I've been using Windows Mobile for about 10 months now, and have been very happy with it and blah blah blah...
One thing that I really don't understand, is the memory "settings" page.
It shows storage and program memory, as well as a seperate tab for my storage card. Could someone please explain to me what the storage memory and program memory are? I know they're both my internal memory (as in, not my SD card), but don't get why there's 2! I would have thought it makes more sense to just have a value for the "fixed" memory, and a value for removable memory.
Thanks in advance guys & gals.
John.

Storage memory is like the HDD on your PC, it's the where you store the data.
Program memory is the RAM, where the programs are loaded to run.

Thanks syqe - that makes sense. Typical Microsoft to call something we're all 100% familiar with by a different name!
It also makes me happy because it means I've got shedloads of space left on my internal drive
Thanks again.

Storage Memory is the memory on your device which is available for installation of new applications/data.
Program memory is somewhat like the RAM on your PC. when you run an application from your Storage Memory, it loads to your Program Memory to run, just like on PC, when you run an application and it loads to your RAM.
Storage Card memory is the memory on your storage card.

Now the question is how to get things off of your storage memory and onto your high capicity microSD card?
Also, how do you manage your Ram aside from the simple task managers on windows mobile phones? Is there a more advanced task manager that will show you what the hogs are and let you determine if they are worth it?

fbickley said:
Now the question is how to get things off of your storage memory and onto your high capicity microSD card?
Also, how do you manage your Ram aside from the simple task managers on windows mobile phones? Is there a more advanced task manager that will show you what the hogs are and let you determine if they are worth it?
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The best for that is SKTools... there is also dotfred task manager (this 1 is free) but I'd rather pay 30 bucks for SKTools.

[Q] - T-Mobile Vivacity

Hi, just been having a read through the posts on this phone, My Mrs has this and there's a significant lack of memory available.
It apparently has 512RAM, however the user useable part of this seems more like 64. She's moved as many apps as possible to the SD card, but still keeps getting errors for lack of available memory.
Is there anyway around this? I've seen some threads about apps that will extend the ram to your SD card giving you more available.
Will a new ROM give any help on this? or is it a case of new phone
She's only using Facebook, Text, Phone, occasional internet on stock browser, and that's about it at the moment, but others would be nice for her. Not a good experience for her introduction to Android IMHO.

Is the phone already rooted?
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Not yet, Its still stock as it's the Mrs phone and she doesn't tamper.
All that's been done is she's moved all the apps she could to run from SD card.

Well,, first of all.. try to differ between RAM and internal memory. They're two different things.
RAM (Random Access Memory) is the memory for ur phone processing. It consist ur applications that currently working, i.e. when u open message, the RAM decreases since ur message app use some space of memory to work. when u open another app, the RAM will decrease again.
Internal Memory here is the space for ur apps storage. When u installed some app, it take space in order to succeeded when install. Each time u installed an app, the space will be decreased.
I guess that when u look into that phone, that 64 of memory there is an internal memory, not the RAM which u supposed to think. So, please notify it first. Is it really the RAM or just Internal Memory.
to know your RAM and Internal Memory space, u can access like this.
For Internal Memory : Setting > Applications > Manage Applications > All. then look into the bottom bar for the space of internal memory.
For RAM : Setting > Applications > Manage Applications > Running. then look into the bottom bar for ur RAM space.

Qijos said:
Well,, first of all.. try to differ between RAM and internal memory. They're two different things.
RAM (Raw Access Memory) is the memory for ur phone processing. It consist ur applications that currently working, i.e. when u open message, the RAM decreases since ur message app use some space of memory to work. when u open another app, the RAM will decrease again.
Internal Memory here is the space for ur apps storage. When u installed some app, it take space in order to succeeded when install. Each time u installed an app, the space will be decreased.
I guess that when u look into that phone, that 64 of memory there is an internal memory, not the RAM which u supposed to think. So, please notify it first. Is it really the RAM or just Internal Memory.
to know your RAM and Internal Memory space, u can access like this.
For Internal Memory : Setting > Applications > Manage Applications > All. then look into the bottom bar for the space of internal memory.
For RAM : Setting > Applications > Manage Applications > Running. then look into the bottom bar for ur RAM space.
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I'll get all the info off the phone tonight - if I remember.... :silly:
However please bear with me, being new to technology, I've only worked with it since 1998, but RAM = Random Access Memory. I've never heard of Raw. same as ROM is Read Only Memory, and EPROM is Electronically Programmable ROM (IE you can flash it.)

bikky73 said:
I'll get all the info off the phone tonight - if I remember.... :silly:
However please bear with me, being new to technology, I've only worked with it since 1998, but RAM = Random Access Memory. I've never heard of Raw. same as ROM is Read Only Memory, and EPROM is Electronically Programmable ROM (IE you can flash it.)
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Ah yes.. I mean Random Access Memory not Raw.. Sry, have been stayed too long at my office.. -.-
Lol..
However, let me know how is it going later. Will try to help u..
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Increasing RAM on an Android Device

Respected Experts and Moderators,
Apologies if I posted my question in a wrong forum.
I have a mobile running Android 4.2.1 and I GB RAM. I landed into a typical problem of 'Space Running Out'. My App Manager shows that I have roughly 50 MB free memory.
I tried various methods like Cache Cleaner, ES File Explorer (to clean log files etc). However, the problem would return back. Than I learned about applications like Roehsoft's RAM Expander that can create a swap file to increase the RAM. My phone is compatible with the app as the result of test done their 'MemoryInfo-SwapCheck' app shows. Since, this is a paid app, I wondering how does it hooks into the Android System so that the:
# Android is aware of the swap file
# Android is able to use the swap file as an extension of its RAM
# Any effect on performance since I/O from internal RAM would much much faster than from a memory card
Thanks.
PS: I am a software engineer but my field of expertise is web applications.

manu_12 said:
Respected Experts and Moderators,
Apologies if I posted my question in a wrong forum.
I have a mobile running Android 4.2.1 and I GB RAM. I landed into a typical problem of 'Space Running Out'. My App Manager shows that I have roughly 50 MB free memory.
I tried various methods like Cache Cleaner, ES File Explorer (to clean log files etc). However, the problem would return back. Than I learned about applications like Roehsoft's RAM Expander that can create a swap file to increase the RAM. My phone is compatible with the app as the result of test done their 'MemoryInfo-SwapCheck' app shows. Since, this is a paid app, I wondering how does it hooks into the Android System so that the:
# Android is aware of the swap file
# Android is able to use the swap file as an extension of its RAM
# Any effect on performance since I/O from internal RAM would much much faster than from a memory card
Thanks.
PS: I am a software engineer but my field of expertise is web applications.
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The warning you're getting is not related to low RAM but rather low on internal memory (internal sd card) because Android will never warn you about low ram ( it has a low memory killer that kills running apps in background when low on RAM).
So what you should be doing instead is increasing internal memory, follow this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2142844 , if you don't want to use a pc for partitioning your sd card use this app instead https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sylkat.AParted
If you insist on increasing your Ram with swap files take look at this guide http://www.google.dz/url?q=http://f...ggNMAA&usg=AFQjCNHUQFy9IB9qBypg2moBrjPZ2FYVjw
Good luck
Don't just say Thanks, press the ? button.

Thanks @a. felon. This solution has helped. Going through various blogs gave me the impression that RAM Expander solution and link2sd card solution are alternatives to resolve the same problem.

RAM Expander Roehsoft not working on my tablet, how can i fix this?

Hello everyone,
I need some help with expanding RAM of an old android tablet of mine, more specifically, an Genesis GT-7204, using an SD card.
I rooted the tablet already and granted the app RAM Expander from Roehsoft root permissions, but when i try to use the app i get the following message: "This path is not available for swap!" Image below:
https://imgur.com/4MZ2l
The path i used was mnt/local:
https://imgur.com/6zUH7
Thanks in advance!

The images might be blocked, in any case i will post them here.

Personally have experienced that Virtual RAM ( aka SWAP RAM ) can only get created on a device's internal storage memory ( aka /sdcard ).
Hint: As path manually enter /data .
BTW:
Android since ever comes with virtual RAM ( SWAP RAM) feature. The internal storage memory used herefore is the /cache partition.
Also take note that an Android apps' memory usage by design is limited to some MBs. Even if you increase in Android's system file called build.prop the related amount, it's not sure that this is taken into account: an app's develeoper allows this or not.
And keep in mind that apps that did not fit in the RAM before without swap do not suddenly fit in the RAM.
Don't expect wonders using Roehsoft's RAM Expander. Probably you may not notice any gain in device's performance.

So i can only use my internal storage to add RAM? And not the SD card?
And to do this i have to manually set a path, but i am new at this, but i have to use /data or there is something else?
And in my case it is worth it, because this freaking tablet has only 500 MB of RAM!!!!!

jwoegerbauer said:
Personally have experienced that Virtual RAM ( aka SWAP RAM ) can only get created on a device's internal storage memory ( aka /sdcard ).
Hint: As path manually enter /data .
BTW:
Android since ever comes with virtual RAM ( SWAP RAM) feature. The internal storage memory used herefore is the /cache partition.
Also take note that an Android apps' memory usage by design is limited to some MBs. Even if you increase in Android's system file called build.prop the related amount, it's not sure that this is taken into account: an app's develeoper allows this or not.
And keep in mind that apps that did not fit in the RAM before without swap do not suddenly fit in the RAM.
Don't expect wonders using Roehsoft's RAM Expander. Probably you may not notice any gain in device's performance.
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So i can only use my internal storage to add RAM? And not the SD card?
And to do this i have to manually set a path, but i am new at this, but i have to use /data or there is something else?
And in my case it is worth it, because this freaking tablet has only 500 MB of RAM!!!!!

pprg1101 said:
So i can only use my internal storage to add RAM? And not the SD card?
And to do this i have to manually set a path, but i am new at this, but i have to use /data or there is something else?
And in my case it is worth it, because this freaking tablet has only 500 MB of RAM!!!!!
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Honestly I never used Roehesoft's RAM Expander on a real Android device and I'll never will use it: In my eyes it's crap. And, you'll find no serious confirmations in the WEB that it works as claimed.
Android for good reason doesn't come with SWAP feature. Android's Memory Manager frees RAM if necessary.
It's on you to play around with Roehesoft's RAM Expander. Good luck.
My last 2 cents here:
SWAP is a place on the internal storage memory (usually a dedicated partition) that is used to store programs or data that can't fit in memory, like when a program grows more than the available RAM (BTW: In the world of Windows this space is called Swapfile.sys ). SWAP is way slower than RAM, so when you create / enable SWAP the phone gets slower, but at least the program can work.
All the stuff that can't or shouldn't stay in your RAM is written out to SWAP and read back in when needed. This means that the SWAP medium needs to be fast and resilient to lots of writes.
IMHO using an external SD card as SWAP fails on both counts. It is slower at reading/writing than a phone's internal drive, and each of its constituent sectors can only be written to a limited number of times before they wear out and can no longer reliably store data.

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Question Only 2GB Can Be Used Out of 8GB RAM

Hello.
There were a lot of problems with the updates that came with Android 13 on the device. The first is that everything experiences lag while screen recording, and the second is that only 2GB is available out of 8GB of ram. What solutions do you guys suggest?

How many apps do you have running in the background? Go to Settings > Apps > Memory and see what's taking up so much RAM. You may need to get rid of some stuff.

V0latyle said:
How many apps do you have running in the background? Go to Settings > Apps > Memory and see what's taking up so much RAM. You may need to get rid of some stuff.
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System ram usage is 4GB. Everything is almost closed tho