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Hi
I've been testing and comparing some of the top candidates og android phones on the market now.
The competitors are: Samsung Galaxy SII, Lg Optimus 2x (CM7) and HTC Sensation
And I must say, I'm pretty disappointed with HTC Sensation so far. Don't know if I'm just unlucky, or if we should expect an update on this in the future, but the GPU is way behind in comparison to the two others.
www.antutu.com benchmark results:
4578 - Samsung Galaxy SII
4456 - LG Optimus 2x
3758 - HTC Sensation
Goint through the details, the most worrying is HTC Sensation scores low on 2d/3d graphics, about half of what LG Optimus 2x scores, which is the winner, with a total of 297 + 350 in graphics. Sensation scores about 300 in total.
Qaudrant benchmark goes like this:
3678 - Samsung Galaxy SII
3120 - LG optimus 2x
2170 - HTC Sensation
Basically Samsung wins because of scoring higher on both CPU and memory (1gb ram)
LG Optimus 2x got he best GPU and Database IO (data transfer rate)
HTC Sensation is just way behind
What is your results? Is it just me, or could we hope for an update?
I have heard rumors about HTC Sensation only running on half of the kernels ind the GPU, is this true?

I heard it scores so low because of the Sense 3.0 requiring so much to run.

Maybe HTC should start concerning themselves more with function rather than form. I think everyone hear would rather have a faster device with less eye candy. If you look at what Samsung had done since the Behold II they have progressively toned Touch Wiz down with each iteration. I just hope we get the boot loader unlocked quick.
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I hated touchwiz, and still hate Samsung.
Always have liked the sense. To.each their own.
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Sensation has such low benchmarks because it has qHD screen and Sense 3.0. Take Sense 3.0 away and this thing'll fly!
As I said in my own Sense 3.0 thread, having Sense 3.0 and qHD screen beats having high benchmarks. Benchmarks don't mean ANYTHING unless they're running the same UI overlay. Put them on stock/CyanogenMod and the Sensation will be a lot lot faster!

redbullcat said:
Sensation has such low benchmarks because it has qHD screen and Sense 3.0. Take Sense 3.0 away and this thing'll fly!
As I said in my own Sense 3.0 thread, having Sense 3.0 and qHD screen beats having high benchmarks. Benchmarks don't mean ANYTHING unless they're running the same UI overlay. Put them on stock/CyanogenMod and the Sensation will be a lot lot faster!
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I agree with this. Sense requires a lot of ram and so does the qHD screen. That's the only reason benchmarks are so low. Get some stock GB on here and you'll see the difference. It also explains why the chip is clocked at 1.2GHz. I wonder how much further it can be pushed, though.

ericc191 said:
I agree with this. Sense requires a lot of ram and so does the qHD screen. That's the only reason benchmarks are so low. Get some stock GB on here and you'll see the difference. It also explains why the chip is clocked at 1.2GHz. I wonder how much further it can be pushed, though.
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I've heard the chip is underclocked to 1.2ghz to save battery...it apparently can go to 1.5ghz, at least.

jrwingate6 said:
Maybe HTC should start concerning themselves more with function rather than form. I think everyone hear would rather have a faster device with less eye candy. If you look at what Samsung had done since the Behold II they have progressively toned Touch Wiz down with each iteration. I just hope we get the boot loader unlocked quick.
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If you don't like sense then why buy the Sensation? That's like buying car that's a stick and then complaining because it's not an automatic. Yes sense is on the phone, yes sense may cause lower benchmarks, yes it's heavily intergrated. If those things bother you then perhaps purchasing a sensation was a mistake...not trying to start an argument, but really it illogical to complain about something you knew going in was a core part of the phone. I don't like touchwiz...so I don't purchase devices with touchwiz on them...it wouldn't make sense for me to buy a phone with touchwiz knowing I don't like it and then complaining about it.

Some ignorant people just don't get the fact. HTC had been advertised about Sense 3.0 for Sensation and we all do know it is a core part of the phone. So don't get the phone if you are for benchmarks isn't it? this sound silly, doesn't it?

Ah! Of course... the screen res is higher, that should influence on the benchmark for sure. Moto Xoom scores low also, but that too, has a higher res.
Im just concerned if it is still scoring lower when on stock. Does anyone have a true benchmark of the Adreno220, which is within the Sensation?
The benchmarks I found on the internet, the Adreno220/M8660 beats the crap out of LG optimus 2x and SGSII.
Anyone know if there is a truth to the "half cores only support" yet?

larsn84 said:
Ah! Of course... the screen res is higher, that should influence on the benchmark for sure. Moto Xoom scores low also, but that too, has a higher res.
Im just concerned if it is still scoring lower when on stock. Does anyone have a true benchmark of the Adreno220, which is within the Sensation?
The benchmarks I found on the internet, the Adreno220/M8660 beats the crap out of LG optimus 2x and SGSII.
Anyone know if there is a truth to the "half cores only support" yet?
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When we get s-off, we'll have some true benchmarks for all devices. Optimus 2x, Galaxy S II, Sensation, and possibly Moto Atrix. Put them all on latest release of CyanogenMod7 and benchmark them using a range of apps.

ImHuge07 said:
I heard it scores so low because of the Sense 3.0 requiring so much to run.
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Actually its mainly because HTC chose to use old technology and use 2 second gen snapdragon chips which use the arm 8 instruction set, instead of using a cpu based on the new arm 9 technology which is what every other new dual core cpu is set up with.

TheRiceKing said:
Actually its mainly because HTC chose to use old technology and use 2 second gen snapdragon chips which use the arm 8 instruction set, instead of using a cpu based on the new arm 9 technology which is what ever other new dual core cpu is set up with.
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As other people have stated, this view is nonsense. Scorpion is a parallel development to A9. It has advantages and disadvantages in comparison.

lol if you want to try and call it nonsense... I'm really just trying to help educate you and explain, but you can continue to think that if you wish
Scorpion incorporates some ARM 9 features, its basically like ARM 8 and a half and that is being optimistic -_-'

TheRiceKing said:
Actually its mainly because HTC chose to use old technology and use 2 second gen snapdragon chips which use the arm 8 instruction set, instead of using a cpu based on the new arm 9 technology which is what ever other new dual core cpu is set up with.
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Your post is wildly inaccurate... First of all there is no ARM 8 instruction set. All A8, A9, and Scorpion processors use the ARMv7 instruction set. Second, Scorpion is Qualcomm's own architecture, it is not based on the A8 design, they created their own design from scratch. It is not as simple as A9 > A8 for this reason. The Scorpion architecture implements features that are not available on A8 but are available on A9. The main difference between the Scorpion and the A9 is the number of pipeline stages. The Scorpion has 13 while the A9 has 8. This is positive and negative for both, as more pipeline stages improves throughput, but is more costly if an instruction has to be aborted and the pipeline flushed.
I have gotten a lot of responses telling me that the Scorpion is based off A8 and tweaked. This is not correct. If it were simply tweaked, it would not be able to have a clock over 1 GHz without overclocking, as that is the limitation of the A8 architecture. It also could not support dual cores, again a limitation of A8. The Scorpion also has partial support of out-of-order processing. This is impossible on an A8 processor, but is fully supported on an A9.
You are correct in saying that every other dual core is based off an A9 processor because the A9 is the only design you can license from ARM that can support dual cores. The only alternative is for a company to license the instruction set itself and design their own architecture (Qualcomm's approach). I should also point out that the A9 processors are synchronous, while the MSM8260 is asynchronous, allowing separate clock speeds and voltages to each core, which can greatly increase battery performance (especially on processes that only utilize 1 core).
I will agree that A9 is more advanced than Scorpion, but it is not by nearly as much as the "Scorpion is A8" argument would indicate. The MSM8260 can also support clock speed up to 1.5 GHz, so the Sensation can be overclocked without actually overclocking the processor.

LittleMerc said:
Some ignorant people just don't get the fact. HTC had been advertised about Sense 3.0 for Sensation and we all do know it is a core part of the phone. So don't get the phone if you are for benchmarks isn't it? this sound silly, doesn't it?
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Exactly! I don't understand the logic of people that purchase a device that they know has certain features and then complain about it. That's like buying a phone with a slide out keyboard and then complaining saying you don't like the fact that it has a slide out keyboard. My thing is, Sense is not a surprise. Everyone knew going in that it was there, and they know what it is and how it works. If certain people don't like that, then they probably shouldn't have bought the phone. Doesn't make sense to complain about getting exactly what you were paying for.

mpjohns3 said:
Your post is wildly inaccurate... First of all there is no ARM 8 instruction set. All A8, A9, and Scorpion processors use the ARMv7 instruction set. Second, Scorpion is Qualcomm's own architecture, it is not based on the A8 design, they created their own design from scratch. It is not as simple as A9 > A8 for this reason. The Scorpion architecture implements features that are not available on A8 but are available on A9. The main difference between the Scorpion and the A9 is the number of pipeline stages. The Scorpion has 13 while the A9 has 8. This is positive and negative for both, as more pipeline stages improves throughput, but is more costly if an instruction has to be aborted and the pipeline flushed.
I have gotten a lot of responses telling me that the Scorpion is based off A8 and tweaked. This is not correct. If it were simply tweaked, it would not be able to have a clock over 1 GHz without overclocking, as that is the limitation of the A8 architecture. It also could not support dual cores, again a limitation of A8. The Scorpion also has partial support of out-of-order processing. This is impossible on an A8 processor, but is fully supported on an A9.
You are correct in saying that every other dual core is based off an A9 processor because the A9 is the only design you can license from ARM that can support dual cores. The only alternative is for a company to license the instruction set itself and design their own architecture (Qualcomm's approach). I should also point out that the A9 processors are synchronous, while the MSM8260 is asynchronous, allowing separate clock speeds and voltages to each core, which can greatly increase battery performance (especially on processes that only utilize 1 core).
I will agree that A9 is more advanced than Scorpion, but it is not by nearly as much as the "Scorpion is A8" argument would indicate. The MSM8260 can also support clock speed up to 1.5 GHz, so the Sensation can be overclocked without actually overclocking the processor.
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Wow, informative post. That should stop the A9 >A8 (Scorpion) because it's a bigger number rubbish, for a while.
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adreno 220 gpu and "dual core" useless right now?

so we have this powerhouse of a phone but no apps to actually justify it? It'd be good to see any app (games most probably) that could show me what my phone is capable of. I do not want to use chainfire and run tegra 2 games on it, even though i could, its besides the point. Its been a couple of months since this phone came out, But a dire lack of app support for it

And not just a lack of support by the apps also android doesn't support dual core yet, that's what ICS will bring and also a lack of support by HTC giving us adreno200 libs for an adreno220 chipset..
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Linux has supported SMP for over 15 years. So long as an android device has two CPU intensive applications running at once, it's using both cores. Even the most basic, single threaded application can benefit from multiple cores if it depends on additional services such as sound, video, or networking because the second core will manage the additional services independently.
In other words, at a systemic level, your dual core phone will be utilized, regardless of the threadedness of the application.
An additional byproduct of single threaded applications on a multicore system, stupidly CPU intensive applications such as flash will only be able to hog 50% of your performance, allowing your other applications to run less affected than if flash were on a single core system of twice the speed.
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And not just a lack of support by the apps also android doesn't support dual core yet, that's what ICS will bring and also a lack of support by HTC giving us adreno200 libs for an adreno220 chipset..
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*damo* said:
And not just a lack of support by the apps also android doesn't support dual core yet, that's what ICS will bring and also a lack of support by HTC giving us adreno200 libs for an adreno220 chipset..
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What is ICS, and when will it arrive ( proper dual core support ) ?
Thanks.

Ice Cream Sandwich - the next version of android, reported to be a sort of mix of ginger and honeycomb to be used on phones and tablets.
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thing is, i would just like to see one app with which the sensation can show its superiority over the dhd.
even dungeon defenders isnt fixed for the sensation

Quadrant says "Cores:1"?

Just wondered if quadrant says 1 core in system information for everyone and why?? Surely if we are only using one core we are not getting full use of our sensations

The Elixir system info app also says just 1 core in use.

Yep, mine says core 1 as well.

gingerbread is not a android version with true native accelerated dual core support... this has been mentioned plenty of times... especially the fact that ice cream sandwich will be better dual core support... im new here and know this

Hey I have an idea its because when quadrant was released. There was no such thing as dual core.
Quadrant isn't designed to test dual core phones. cf bench is
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But then, why does it even display this information ? If Quadrant couldn't see how many cores a phone has, what's the point in putting a "core" section ?

Quadrant is only optimized to recognize a single core so that's all it's going to look for and read. I think there are threads around here talking about the more in-depth reason why quadrant only sees one core but if you want a more accurate benchmark score use CF-bench.

Quadrant only detects 1 core. It is a flawed and easily skewed benchmark app. Don't use it. CF-Bench is a lot lot better.

Its not Quadrant its Android 2.3.3
If you install a 2.3.4 ROM (like InsertCoin 2.3.4) Quadrant will report 2 cores. You don't need to wait until Ice Cream Sandwich. Google fixed a lot of issues in Honeycomb surrounding SMP that were backported to 2.3.4.
You can read more about this here or Google info about 2.3.4. Or you can just download InsertCoin 2.3.4 and see for yourself.

My stock ROM phone also has Quadrant reporting 2 cores...
Matt

I'm using InsertCoin 2.3.4?

bonesy said:
I'm using InsertCoin 2.3.4?
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I don't know what to tell you then...
Quadrant told me I had 1 core on stock & etc. but upgrading to a 2.3.4 ROM made it say 2....
btw, Quadrant score dropped precipitously after upgrading to 2.3.4 and it started recognizing 2 cores, I'm guessing they're not really taking the second CPU into account in their scores. Phone's a hell of a lot faster regardless of the benchmark. Definitely something's not right there.

The dual core devices are way ahead of most measures... be happy, you have a ferrari in a field of vw bugs...

How do the Dual cores work in this phone?

I got my sensation and love it, I have Android Revolution 3.1 and the RCMix version 1 kernel. It is currently overclocked to 1.78 ghz with Daemon OC.
I was curious though, I heard that some games and apps are not optimized for the dual cores. How do they work in these situations? Will one power down while the other works?
Also, In the newest update for Revolution HD, in the change log he mentions how the dual cores run constantly and that this is a first. Wouldn't this drain battery life?
Sorry about starting a new thread, im just curious. Thanks for any help!!

yes it s a very good question
i am gonna try that rom
especially about battery life.
any idea ?

i'd love the answer to this one myself.

Anyone??
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About the thing where the cores run constantly; I've been following the oc dual core thread, and someone found a way to keep both cores online and that overall, it had almost no effect on battery life but seemed to increase performance slightly.
To describe the way our dual core chips are setup would be very complicated, and would draw away from you initial question.
Just know, it shouldn't effect your battery too much.
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Generally
Dual Core = Better battery life
As long as the software is optimised to use them both

Really? Wow i thought dual core will consume more battery
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The dual cores in our phones are asynchronous, meaning instead of both cores splitting the workload evenly like some other chipsets, one core will remain offline until it's needed then spool up to assist with the load. This was causing a problem with overclocking because only one core was recognizing the clock speed and governor settings. Keeping both cores idling allows them to both recognize the proper settings. The thread about it can be found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233103

CrazyCharlie said:
The dual cores in our phones are asynchronous, meaning instead of both cores splitting the workload evenly like some other chipsets, one core will remain offline until it's needed then spool up to assist with the load. This was causing a problem with overclocking because only one core was recognizing the clock speed and governor settings. Keeping both cores idling allows them to both recognize the proper settings. The thread about it can be found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233103
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dual core. Keeping it simple
think of a double Decker bus as synchronous CPUs
And two single deck buses. As asynchronous CPUs
passengers are your workload.
Most cpus out there are synchronous. so this means both processors split the load continuously at any one time. . Eg galaxy s2 and Intel CPUs
Asynchronous
Each core works independently from the other. Amd cpus do this and sensation.
But sensation only keeps one active till it needs the other one
Synchronous dual core cpus. These are your double decks. the bus Carries people and uses both floors at one time
Asynchronous in sensation.
these are your single decks. Only one bus will carry passengers. But when the bus is full or cannot cope the second bus is used
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xl VipeR lx said:
dual core. Keeping it simple
think of a double Decker bus as synchronous CPUs
And two single deck buses. As asynchronous CPUs
passengers are your workload.
Most cpus out there are synchronous. so this means both processors split the load continuously at any one time. . Eg galaxy s2 and Intel CPUs
Asynchronous
Each core works independently from the other. Amd cpus do this and sensation.
But sensation only keeps one active till it needs the other one
Synchronous dual core cpus. These are your double decks. the bus Carries people and uses both floors at one time
Asynchronous in sensation.
these are your single decks. Only one bus will carry passengers. But when the bus is full or cannot cope the second bus is used
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first : the best explanation so far about how this phone works , two thumbs up !!!!
2nd : I'm currently thinking on moving from my Htc DHD to a new dual core phone ( had the Atrix , hated the pentile screen )
so in terms of everyday use ( i don't give a s**t about benchmarks ) which one is better to get - SGS2 or HTC Sensation ?

moshikko said:
first : the best explanation so far about how this phone works , two thumbs up !!!!
2nd : I'm currently thinking on moving from my Htc DHD to a new dual core phone ( had the Atrix , hated the pentile screen )
so in terms of everyday use ( i don't give a s**t about benchmarks ) which one is better to get - SGS2 or HTC Sensation ?
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LOL well I.am the noobproof dude. so just keeping it simple.
At the moment its hard to say. Depends on your taste and also true power of sensation isn't even seen yet
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Overclock to more than 1.5ghz??

Is it possible to overclock the CPU to more than 1.5ghz? Most ROMs only go to 1.5.
I'm asking because the sensation xl has the same CPU but people are overclocking that to over 1.5 safely.

Virtuous Quattro ICS rom (and its kernel) goes to 1.9 safely

Is there a kernel that is compatible with sense 3.0 or 3.5 ROM?

i'm not sure, i dont use a sense rom

325i. said:
Is there a kernel that is compatible with sense 3.0 or 3.5 ROM?
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Yes. Endymion/Hyperion kernels allow up to 1.5Ghz.
Unity9 allows up to 2ghz. Its mot recommended however, as the kernel is old, and 2ghz isnt safe
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olyloh6696 said:
Yes. Endymion/Hyperion kernels allow up to 1.5Ghz.
Unity9 allows up to 2ghz. Its mot recommended however, as the kernel is old, and 2ghz isnt safe
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Yeah but is there a sense kernel that allows higher than 1.5?

325i. said:
Yeah but is there a sense kernel that allows higher than 1.5?
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Yes.. I just said Unity9...
It's not recommended. It's old and has bugs with the front camera.
In the first place, you shouldn't OC higher than 1.5ghz. The chip isn't designed to run a frequencies higher than 1.5ghz for ling periods of time. In the long run, you will damage to motherboard, fry the chip etc. Battery life will also be significantly shorter too.
If your intentions were to do that, i don't think you should have got this phone in the first place, and you should have just stuck with the Sensation.
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325i. said:
Is it possible to overclock the CPU to more than 1.5ghz? Most ROMs only go to 1.5.
I'm asking because the sensation xl has the same CPU but people are overclocking that to over 1.5 safely.
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the sensation xl is shipped at 1.5GHz. There's no need to exceed 1.2GHz in my opinion, at least not yet.

dan-fish said:
the sensation xl is shipped at 1.5GHz. There's no need to exceed 1.2GHz in my opinion, at least not yet.
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The Sensation has a dual core 8260 Snapdragon CPU, our has 8255 (single core) so i think that 1.5 Ghz for the DS is more than enough and safe, also reading somewhere that the 8255 is designed to run at 1.4 Ghz as an optimal freq and that the mobile manufacturers are free to undercloock/overclock for specific needs
I personally use the 8255 at 1.1 Ghz...never had lags

Hey,
I limited all my kernels, Hyperion, Endymion and Reaper kernels to around 1.5GHz, as it is way more than enough. I did this for some reasons:
- As it has been discussed all over these forums, devices handle OC/UV differently, no matter if the cpu is the same. This has to do with sheer luck with what part you get from the factory, your phone is only guaranteed to work at up to 1GHz. It may seem stable at 1.5 but reboot once a week, some phones may not boot at 1.2, and some phones can chug along happily at 2GHz.
- Every newbie that lands on these forums will instantly set the frequency as high as they can. Then they will get a freeze now and then. Then they pull the battery. Then they kill the phone. THEN they check the forums and read that they should not have pulled the battery.
- With my current roms, where the kernels are tested, there is no need for overclocking. Things run very very smooth at stock values. But I believe in "power to the user", that's why I even give the option to OC. The last time I had to overclock my phone due to lag/choppiness was with Virtuous 2.39 or whatever, months ago.
So ask yourself why you want to go higher. Bragging rights? Quadrant scores to show your mates? Do you even notice a difference between, let's say, 1.2GHz and 1.5GHz? Is it really worth it?
Think about it.
Cheers

So much detail, couldn't have said it better myself In short, 1 Ghz is enough for most, 1.5 is more than enough. Anything above that is DANGEROUS and should be avoided.
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cpx07 said:
The Sensation has a dual core 8260 Snapdragon CPU, our has 8255 (single core) so i think that 1.5 Ghz for the DS is more than enough and safe, also reading somewhere that the 8255 is designed to run at 1.4 Ghz as an optimal freq and that the mobile manufacturers are free to undercloock/overclock for specific needs
I personally use the 8255 at 1.1 Ghz...never had lags
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Yeah, that's the regular Sensation.
We are taking about the XL which has a single core 1.5ghz CPU.
+1 agree with lowveld. I Never OC'ed for normal usage. I don't feel the need. You can't tell the difference in performance IMO
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I'm sorry if I missed the point, but is there anything overclocking that much is necessary for? I mean, I'm at 1,3 GHz max now but my phone runs at 1 GHz 60% of the time, rest of the time lower. I never reached something above 1 GHz.. ?
So why overclocking even more?
Edit:
My mistake, 60% of time it's at 245 mhz and only 30% of time at 1GHz.
But my question is still the same..
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